I'm not even mad at what isn't canon anymore.
I'm more mad at what is.
EVERYBODY GETS A LIGHTSABER
YOU WANT ONE?
SURE!
GIVE THE BIG FURRY ONE TWO, FUCK IT!
>>77550770
Yeah this totally triggered me. Like wtf are they just gonna throw the lightsabers away after?
>>77550770
so now anyone can weild a lightsaber?
>>77551739
Literally always been the case. Picking up a lightsaber doesn't turn a normal person into a drooling retard, they just can't do the amazing stuff that actually makes the lightsaber an effective weapon in the hands of a Jedi rather than an archaic laser-sword.
That said, this was a silly scene. Felt pretty fanservicey.
>>77551739
As long as you're not doing any blade twirling or expecting to deflect blaster shots anyone can wield one.
But it's not recommended because your enemy probably has a blaster or actually knows what they're doing with a lightsaber.
>>77551739
Lucas literally had a directive that Wookiees couldn't be Jedi. I guess this is why.
>>77551739
Anyone can wield a lightsaber, but being Force sensitive is what allows you to get away with the crazy shit.
>>77551838
Someone didn't watch TCW
>>77551796
>>77551828
If this is true then it means the prequel trilogy is a good representation of how Jedi battles should be?
>>77551912
Well, yeah, actually. Prequels showcase fully-trained Jedi at the height of their power. The OT has an old man and a half-trained upstart versus a crippled cyborg. And even assuming Vader didn't lose any of his power, you also have to account for the fact that Vader is holding back against Luke in ESB and they're both sort of holding back in ROTJ. That said, the ROTJ fight is definitely the most intense, has the most acrobatics, and is generally the closest to any semblance of prequel fighting.
But yeah, that's one of those RLM complaints that doesn't make much sense outside of a "not muh Star Wars" mindset. Story-wise, the reason lightsabers and lightsaber combat are treated the way they are in the OT is because it's a relic of a bygone era. But the prequels are set in this bygone era, so it's natural that lightsabers and lightsaber combat be treated rather differently.
Not that the prequels didn't make mistakes on that front though. The arena scenes in AOTC where all the Jedi are just waving their lightsabers around like idiots before charging at the battle droids in one big clusterfuck mob is still quite laughable.
>>77550770
Why is Chewie using SICKNASTY LIGHTSABER DUAL WIELDING when he has his bowcaster on his back?
>>77552093
The fights in the prequals were dumb, pointlessly twirling your glowstick and backflipping around does not a good fight scene make.
>>77552269
I didn't say anything about the quality, only that it's natural for them to be different because it's a different era.
That said, a two second looping gif does little to support your argument.
those things are so dangerous
han gonna cut his damned arm off
>>77550770
Who's the artist for this?
It's on the tip of my tongue but I just can't figure it out...
>>77552888
cassaday?
>>77552269
I really liked this part though.
Star Wars fans have to be some of whinniest, most entitled little faggots I've ever seen.
>>77550770
Just ignore the comics.
What you don't see cannot hurt you.
>>77553175
Damn, that's fucking awesome. Why do people say these movies have bad choreography?
>>77551838
Actually Wookiees are force-sensitive, there was a wookiee Padawan in Clone Wars.
Also, what directive, he might have changed his mind?
>>77553175
Ok I going to confess something. I'm hoping that the later Star Wars Sequel trilogy movies will have lightsaber battles like these. Not in Force Awakens because Finn is still a massive rookie.
>>77552888
Immonen
>>77552214
EMP shorted out everyone's blasters.
>>77550770
Didn't anybody in editing say "hey, this is fucking disgusting and shits all over canon"? Didn't anybody at Disney have even the slightest objection, or do they really not care about artistry and integrity and are willing to shit out anything as long as someone buys it? I hope somebody gets fired and remains unemployed for the rest of his life for this abomination.
>>77553254
Too many unnecessary flips and flops and ghost punching I guess. But every once in a while you get a good move or two.
>>77553254
They think the duels look too staged and flashy rather than looking like actual fights.
>>77550770
So I suppose this is a precursor to Finn wielding a lightsaber despite him not actually being force sensitive.
What the fuck, a non-Force user has NEVER canonically used a lightsaber before.
>>77553546
It's really not the same.
All he does is cut open the Wampa's stomach. Using it as a weapon is completely fucking different.
>>77551838
Wait, so Hutts can be Jedi but Wookies can't? Give me a break.
>>77553605
>Wampa
It's a tauntaun, you fucking nerfherder.
>>77553514
Yeah but going by these (>>77553175 >>77553489) they DO look like actual fights, they're just really intense with no room for error. And isn't that what you'd expect from super-powered monks who have specialized in their usage for their entire lives? Even moreso when these are pivotal battles for the fate of the galaxy set to scores titled "Battle of the Heroes" and "Duel of the Fates."
It's been awhile since I've seen the prequels though so these could well be cherrypicked examples of quality.
>>77553617
>>77553629
I'm sorry, I knew I should've googled it.
>>77550770
fanboys had a fucking decade to come up with something better than the prequels
I thought you had to be tuned into the Force to use a lightsaber effectively. Or was that just in the EU?
>>77553514
>>77553489
>>77553648
>flips and flops and ghost punching
>too staged and flashy
It does to some extent. Every the sabers touch, they bounce off and go in for another attack which makes it look like there's no weight behind it. Darth Maul gets a pass because canonically he has exotic martial training. You'd figure there would just be one hulk who'd be able to overpower someone else's saber.
Also there's timing issues with blocking at or before the next attack starts once in a while, but that's a just a consequence of high-speed choreography to begin with.
A lot of the complaints though are just "muh ot". All the Jedi that got featured in major battles were considered the best at what they did.
>>77553772
They did. It was called the EU.
>>77553796
Pay attention. They're cutting down defenseless TIE pilots, not effectively using them in combat.
>>77553796
The key here is "effectively."
It's basically just a regular weapon without the force. They're not going to be deflecting blasts or fighting Jedi any time soon.
>>77553514
I say the same about all the space battles in the Star Wars movie, and guess what people tell me to stop being stupid.
>>77553828
When I say effectively I mean not accidentally cutting off your own limbs and murdering your friends.
>>77550770
So Finn confirmed as just some fucking normie wielding a lightsaber?
>>77553815
>which makes it look like there's no weight behind it
Well they are LIGHTsabers
>>77553815
>>77553898
Actually that's a good point, isn't all the weight in the hilt?
>>77553865
But Jacen did that, and he was force sensitive to DARKSIDEdness.
>>77550770
I did a double-take, but I remembered >>77553546
Hope they kept them for Luke's future Jedi academy.
>>77552093
>just waving their lightsabers around like idiots before charging at the battle droids in one big clusterfuck mob
I expected them to use saber throw all at once.
>>77554017
The mob is bad but the lead-up, when Mace is confronting Dooku, is even funnier IMO. Pay attention to the background Jedi during these moments and you'll notice them just randomly waving their lightsabers all around their heads and shit. You can practically hear the actors making WOOSH noises.
I guess they were trying to ward off the Geonosians with their specialized bug zappers?
>>77550770
Disney is literally worse thing to ever happen to starwars. That southpark episode was right, the chinese should have bought it
>>77553648
>>77553514
>>77553815
I always thought fights in the prequels were better simply because there were more jedis to train with. Vader and Obi were old and busted, and Luke was a complete newfag in the original trilogy so their swordfigthing was sluggish.
This is also why I think the saber fights in the Old Republic videos look way more flashy than even the prequels, because there were actual siths fighting jedis everywhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm4JEZudf0c
>>77553924
Yeah, the blades are weightless.
>>77553672
why don't you just cut off the rest of the hutt's body that's completely exposed?
>>77554134
What a shitty fucking game.
>>77554134
Also consider the following, it's a well known fact that there have been many Japanese movie that inspired Star Wars in the first place, so is it unreasonable to assume that when making the prequels George wanted the fights to be like movies from the East?
>>77554134
Eh, those TOR fights take it a bit too far for my tastes. The overabundance of slow-mo doesn't help.
>>77554134
That's laughably bad.
>>77554134
They're fucking awful that's why. Have you ever seen a sword fight?
They can have a few flips and some choreography but seriously you do have the shit that's shown and you will get cut down.
Its hard to have emotion attached to the battle when its so stupid looking.
>>77552093
>fully-trained Jedi at the height of their power.
>Droidekas appear in EP1
>Jedi run away
>Stadium battle in EP2
>hundreds of Jedi slaughtered
>Order 66
>hundreds of Jedi slaughtered like babies
Yeah, so well trained and awesome and amazing.
>>77553648
>It's been awhile since I've seen the prequels though so these could well be cherrypicked examples of quality.
Phantom Menace is bland garbage, terribly characterized, with a murky plot and shallow characters. The final battle is two cartoon armies having a glowball fight. But the Jedi fights are well done.
Attack of the Clones, aside from some terrible dialog, actually manages to find its footing when Obi-Wan is the protagonist. He's basically a noir detective unraveling a mystery for the first half. Everything to do with Anakin's romance with Padme is really embarrassingly bad. Anakin describes her as beautiful or in his dreams like three or four times and it becomes really redundant and obsessive.The last half also manages to come together well enough with the conspiracy uncovered and the starts of the Clone War.
Revenge of the Sith is the closest to the original in terms of quality, even if it ends on an awkward cliffhanger where Tarkin just sort of shows up with the empire full formed overnight.
Where the prequels are really bad is the simplistic and obvious dialog, and Lucas' weird obsession with elaborate chase sequences with characters bobbing and weaving on cartoon platforms.
>>77554230
>>77554270
Real swordfighting looks horrible.
>>77553175
This fight was good for the first 2 minutes.
>>77554278
I was just talking about the fight scenes but I don't disagree on the whole.Phantom Menace was always my favorite though, I loved the detached, almost mythical feel.
>>77554270
Have you ever seen a sword fight between two people who can shoot lighting out of their hands?
>>77553199
Nice dubs
But yeah. It's like they don't like fun at all.
>>77553892
Hasn't that always been the case?
>>77553672
Actually have we heard anything about Leia in the new trilogy? Since she's a force sensitive like Luke, it feels like it doesn't make sense for her not to have at least some training in thirty years.
>>77554276
Donnie, you're out of your element.
>>77554288
>Fencing is horrible
>>77553431
I guess Jason Aaron doesn't know that Ion Canons are basically that in SW?
>>77554270
>sorry, I only like REAL swordplay in my movies about magic space monks with laser swords
>>77554288
Real swordfighting can make it hard to tell what's going on because it's so fucking fast. But I really wouldn't say that it looks horrible.
>>77554356
Looks horrible, it looks like ass.
>>77554375
Your shit looks like ass bitch
>>77554326
Fucking irrelevant, they're force sensitive not psychic. They need to be able to attack and defend, dying from a stupid ass flip that gives up ground and puts you at a worse position looks fucking dumb on screen.
Whether you understand this or not most people know what a fight looks like and when it doesn't have at least the semblance of being like a fight it no longer works.
>>77554342
Kasdan apparently wasn't a fan of Leia as Luke's sister idea. Other than her son beingKylo Ren, her being force sensitive is mostly not there.
>>77550770
>>77553546
That, and look how awkward they all look holding the, except Leia, which is appropriate, since she's Force sensitive.
>>77554373
>But I really wouldn't say that it looks horrible.
It does.
>>77554367
Its not about the swordplay its about the dance.
>>77554270
They can be done. See Ridley Scott's The Duellists, which has gotten praise for doing realistic swordfights.
>Prequels fights are good
Oh yeah, sure thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0mUVY9fLlw
It's horrible. Only babies like this crap.
>>77553924
Yeah, the weight is part of why they're so hard for an untrained person to just pick up and use. Especially someone who isn't Force sensitive. Since the blade is weightless it's a whole different experience from using a traditional melee weapon so you might put too much strength behind an attack and trip and maim yourself or something.
AND WHEN EVERYONE'S A JEDI
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
NO-ONE WILL BE
>>77554446
Will somebody please post all the egregious examples of similar shit in the OT
>>77554270
Guess what? OT did sword fights that way and everybody loved it.
Everybody with a brain considers the Cloud City fight the best SW lightsaber fight because it looks real.
Not like clowns doing a stage show.
>>77554326
The problem with all the flips and shit is that they don't look like they have a purpose. They look like they're there to show off, which is exactly what they are there for.
And when I've got two characters clearly showing off as opposed to giving it their all in what's supposed to be a fight to the death, a good deal of my suspension of disbelief goes out the window.
>>77554400
What the hell does this entire post even mean?
>>77554400
That seems lazy.
>>77554393
>they're force sensitive not psychic
But they are. That is literally the given reason for their incredible reflexes.
>>77553796
You can sorta use it as a clumsy machete without the force. You just have to be real careful to not stab yourself or someone else with it.
>>77554393
>Fucking irrelevant, they're force sensitive not psychic.
Highly-trained Jedi literally have limited precognition you stupid nigger, that's how they're able to block and redirect blaster fire with their lightsabers in the first place.
>>77554393
>they're force sensitive not psychic
And now you see where the superhuman aspects of things comes in.
>most people know what a fight looks like
There are many different types of fight, no two fight is the same. But thats a flimsy fucking argument and you know it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBz99aAo034
Just look at this fight, so fucking fake with all the spins, kicks, throwing, yelling and lack of group coordination.
>>77554446
Why not just post a Cinemasins video while you are at it? Hell I'm sure you can do a video like that for all the Rocky movies and get the same results.
>>77554506
You mean like Obi-Wan and Vader touching tips?
I mean, sure, whatever, who gives a shit, but it's just stupid. Why is it so hard to give Star Wars a decent writer? I haven't liked a single Aaron issue yet, him writing Bobba Fett was as bad as him writing Vader. Like a salt on an open wound.
Is it so hard to give one of their flagman Star Wars titles to a decent writer? Literally all mini-series are ranging from okay to good so far, Vader is actually really well-written. Well, I guess it's as hard for them as giving Vader a decent artist.
>>77554521
I think the prequels are a step too far in the other direction, really. That is, it's obvious that you've always got one party wearing a restrictive rubber suit and mask. They look a little clumsy as a result.
I'm hoping for a compromise between the two for TFA.
>>77554521
>Everybody with a brain considers the ROTJ fight the best SW lightsaber fight because it looks real.
ftfy
>>77554506
>>77554528
There aren't that many flips, the real problem is with the incessant spinning.
But the OT had that too. >>77554291
>>77554521
No, people consider the Cloud City fight the best because of the heavy emotional undercurrent, not the "realistic" (as if such a thing fucking applies to weightless laser-swords) choreography.
And Vader was toying with Luke the whole time during that fight you dingus.
>>77554615
Hey, spinning's a good trick.
>>77554278
But Obi-Wan's plot never makes any kind of sense. Why is Kamino so secret? Why is there an army? Why is everyone just OK with taking this magical army from out of nowhere?
>>77554615
I like to imagine actor just didn't understand what Lucas wanted.
>>77554760
Which would have been what exactly?
>regular people aren't allowed to use lightsabers
Stop being autistic, goddamn it. Nobody gives a shit what you have your panties in a twist over.
Alright so, "Aftermath" and "Star Wars Comics" for shittiest of nu-canon
That's only 2 so far. Not bad honestly
>>77554734
>there is a Sith in the senate
>that Sith secretly ordered creation of clone army
>let's use that army guys, what could go wrong?
>be the (supposedly) best assassin in the galaxy
>kill somebody with a dart that's produced only on one planet in the galaxy
>>77554777
Exactly.
>>77554801
Aftermath is fine.
Tarkin introduced Sheev
>>77554777
Maybe Lucas wanted Sir Alec to spin his saber not spin his body.
>>77554801
Actually, Vader and Kanan are pretty good. And the main comic isn't amazing, but it's not terrible.
>>77554844
It's literally not possible to misunderstand that. Just phrase it the way you just did.
>>77554835
>>77554861
I think you misinterpreted my post. I was saying Aftermath and just the "Star Wars" comics are the worst while everything else has been good
Also no, Aftermath is not fine at all. The fucks wrong with you.
>>77554734
>Why is Kamino so secret?
Because someone erased it from the Jedi archives.
>Why is there an army?
Did you watch the movie?
>Why is everyone just OK with taking this magical army from out of nowhere?
The Seps were knocking on their doorstep. If Obi-Wan hadn't bumbled his way into discovering Kamino and Geonosis, gotten caught, and thus necessitated rescue, things would have played out rather differently.
But everyone kind of got backed into a corner. It's not like Palpatine wanted things to unravel early, he wanted Padme dead so they could formally create the army.
>>77554882
Please, what's wrong with Aftermath
>>77554134
That's fucking dumb
>>77554826
When is Jango said to be the best assassin?
>>77554873
George is famously taciturn with directions
>Alright, spin
>...
>harder, with more feeling
>>77554893
What was the point of Dooku ordering the army and hiding Kamino if the point was Palpatine wanted the war so he could take over?
>>77554734
Kamino's a secret because cloning is probably controversial and dubiously legal at best. The army was ordered under the name Sifo Dyas for the Jedi Council by Count Dooku going by the name, on orders from Palpatine. Everyone's not okay with it, but realize that with the growing threat of the Separatists they need a Grand Army of the Republic. And the first wave of their clone army has just been completed, so might as well use them.
>>77554893
I know that there is a literal explanation for the army being ordered, but that answer never made sense. Who the hell is this Jedi and why is he going around ordering whole armies? How is he ordering whole armies, did he manage a fucking hedge fund on the side?
>Nobody has brought up TCW as the pinnacle of Star Wars lightsaber fights
Bruh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE_CVWMWK74
>>77554270
>>77554521
>actually comparing irl swordfighting to a movie with space monks who shoot lighting
That is some high level autism
>>77554925
>Kamino's a secret because cloning is probably controversial and dubiously legal at best
Actually scratch that I'm retarded and just remembered it being erased was a whole plot point
>>77554940
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>>77554925
But if the point of the conspiracy was for the Republic to use the Clone Army, why was it only discovered after Obi Wan managed to track it through a failed assassination attempt and a 4 armed owner of a 50s diner? Was Dexter Jettster in on this? Was he a Sith Lord too?
>>77553175
I've heard it said that in real fights you're trying to hit your opponent not his sword.
In stage fighting you try to hit his sword for safety reasons, but a good choreographer should help you sell it.
Isn't a big part of the point of the Lightsaber that if any untrained retard starts swinging one around, if they don't end up killing themselves they're going to get shot dead by anyone with a blaster?
Like, look at Luke. Natural born pilot and marksman, couldn't block a few shots from a training droid until he went through training.
Okay but can we at least talk about how dumb it is to have Luke and Vader meet before TESB in this?
I mean come on. It brings up how Vader even knows who Luke is in the movie but fuck why do they have to fight? It's fucking dumb
>>77554924
Palpatine had to get the droid army ready for the CIS and the clone army ready for the Republic before he could wage his fake war. Droids take time to build, clones take time to grow. What's hard to understand here?
>>77554932
It's pretty heavily hinted that Dooku just used Sifo-Dyas as a cover in the movie itself, before TCW actually confirmed it.
>>77554944
The argument you're making here is that all common sense goes out the window once you introduce any fantastical elements in your story, and it's utter horse shit.
>>77554118
Yeah that's it. I expected them to use saber boomerangs and then charge.
Well while on the subject of what's canon, is the animated Clone Wars still canon? I've been told that it was canon and that the cgi episodes take place between the animated chapters 21 and 22, but I've also been told it's not canon anymore. So which is it?
>I miss the cartoon designs
>>77552093
>But the prequels are set in this bygone era, so it's natural that lightsabers and lightsaber combat be treated rather differently.
If you think they complained just because it's different, then you weren't paying attention.
All of the prequel fights are shit, with emphasis on flash and spectacle over substance. It's over-choreographed to the point that it looks rehearsed and staged. It's pretty, and the performers are talented, but it doesn't make for an interesting or captivating fight. The rest are riddled with stupid CGI shit that just look ridiculous.
It's not a matter of different styles or forms. Let's not pretend that there was any cohesive design philosophy with Lucas beyond "How much shit can people eat up?"
Name one good prequel lightsaber battle.
>>77554734
>Why is Kamino so secret?
They're so secret Jango Fett travels back and forth all the time without discovery. One of the unsettling things about the Cloners is that they really don't seem to appreciate the enormity of what making the clone army represents.
>Why is there an army?
Some weirdo Jedi master commissioned them. The first time I saw the movie I assumed it was a ruse by Count Dooku, as he was mentioned as being a former Jedi, but no, it's really some random Jedi with completely unknowable motives.
>Why is everyone just OK with taking this magical army from out of nowhere?
Here's an even wilder plot hole, when Count Dooku has Obi-Wan tied up, he actually tells him to his face that a Sith of unimaginable power has infiltrated the government and has hundreds of senator under his sway, and begs Obi-Wan to join the separatists to help him.
Like, Dooku is portrayed as incredibly conflicted about it and it would have been brilliant twist to reveal he was genuine and had his hand forced that he couldn't directly confront Palpatine but NOPE LOL, he's totally loyal to Darth Sidious and revealed an enormous secret to Obi-Wan.
...Which afterward Obi-Wan promptly forgets and never mentions to anyone else that there could be a Sith lord undermining everything.
>>77554925
>The army was ordered under the name Sifo Dyas for the Jedi Council by Count Dooku going by the name,
Nope, completely different guy.
>>77551796
>Felt pretty fanservicey.
You tend to get that when you have fans writing the comics.
>>77554987
What was Palpatine's plan once the army was ready?
He was already trying to get a Grand Army of the Republic before Obi-Wan "discovered" Kamino. How was he going to get the clones if Obi-Wan didn't stubble on Kamino?
>>77554118
Was that scene actually filmed, or all CGI?
Because if it was actually filmed, the actors in it couldn't see any of what was supposed to be going on behind the green screen and probably thought they were deflecting blaster shots or something.
>>77555006
>Name one good prequel lightsaber battle.
Obi-Wan vs Anakin.
>>77554427
HELLO FELLOW STAR WARS CCG PLAYER
>>77550840
>>77550840
fuck it awesome
>>77554961
>why was it only discovered after Obi Wan managed to track it through a failed assassination attempt and a 4 armed owner of a 50s diner?
Why are you talking about the plot of the movie as if it's a plot hole?
Did you somehow miss the part where Palpatine is trying to rally support to create an army and Padme is being targeted for assassination because she opposes it?
>>77555055
>What was Palpatine's plan once the army was ready?
Deploy the army.
>He was already trying to get a Grand Army of the Republic before Obi-Wan "discovered" Kamino. How was he going to get the clones if Obi-Wan didn't stubble on Kamino?
Jango was already there, commissioned by Darth Tyrannus aka Count Dooku.
>>77553489
This is a good example of the prequel problem. This is well rehearsed choreography, no doubt, the performers do a good job. I don't think there's any doubt about that.
But Obi Wan here is supposed to be pissed, having just seen his master, the man he admires most, get murdered in front of him. Does any of that translate to the action here? It looks more like a Cirque Du Solei routine than a genuine fight to the death.
>>77555000
Unfortunately it's not. It's a shame but it's too confusing with CGI TCW
>>77554185
wuxia = Chinese, kung fu, acrobatic stuff
jidai-geki = Japanese, samurai and ninja, quick sword fights
The style in the films are really neither
>>77554973
It was barely a duel, just one or two swings before Luke high-tails it outta there
>>77554961
Multiple reasons. First, Palpatine had the army ordered behind everyone's back years before the war started. And at the time he did this, he was definitely not in a position of power where that would even be his decision.
Also, he staged everything to seem like using the clone army was an act of desperation against the Separatists. As far as everyone else knew, he was a peaceful leader and this was a last resort because peaceful negotiations had failed. Having an army ordered beforehand and having it become public knowledge by accident would go against that.
>>77555102
>But Obi Wan here is supposed to be pissed, having just seen his master, the man he admires most, get murdered in front of him. Does any of that translate to the action here?
Actually I think they did get that part right because Obi-Wan does start going after Maul much harder at that point than before
>>77555074
I'd like to note that was good up until the lava starts going crazy, then it just becomes a CGI spectacle instead of a fight
>>77555102
Eh, as a boy I could feel his rage, though rage makes you unbalanced and leads to the dark side and shit.
>>77555090
>>77555095
How was Palpatine going to get the army to the republic if Obi-Wan didn't stumble onto it?
Just say "Oh, look, giant army! That's not suspicious at all!"
>mfw Leia takes longer to hold a Lightsaber in the EU.
WTF Disney, WTF.
>>77554988
Because people shooting lightning at each other or levitating shit with their minds makes so much sense right?
>>77555122
The army was ordered right after he became Supreme Chancellor.
>>77555165
at least it was consistent that they were force users with this, it just became cheap as fuck.
>>77555102
It does for the first few seconds. Obi Wan arrives with a couple very direct slashes aimed straight at Maul's head and knees. If the rest of the fight had continued in that tone, with Maul flipping around and Obi Wan going straight for him without weird jojo-posing behind the head blocks and that kind of shit, it would have been cool.
>>77555035
Obi-Wan mentions that Sifo Dyas was dead by the time the army would have been ordered.
>>77555152
Just spin a story that he contracted the Kaminoans to clone an army for the Republic or something. Once the CIS declared war and the clones swooped in to save the day nobody in the Senate would care enough to ask how Palpatine knew to have the army made, and how he went behind the Senate's back to do it.
>how much longer until they introduce NotMara Jade into the story?
My guess is after TFA is shown.
>>77555152
>How was Palpatine going to get the army to the republic if Obi-Wan didn't stumble onto it?
If Jango could get back and forth, Palaptine could send ships there.
>Just say "Oh, look, giant army! That's not suspicious at all!"
He did that anyway. I guess he was going to cast blame on Sifo Dyas to simultaneously cast the Jedi in a traitorous light.
"Oh, look, giant army commissioned by a Jedi master in secret! That's not suspicious at all! Give me more unlimited power!"
>>77554940
Why is this so fucking ugly?
>>77555193
He died almost immediately after ordering the army.
>>77554940
Why is Darth Maul alive.
Why is there another Darth Maul.
Why are neither of them using the double saber.
>>77555165
I remember when people thought omega-level Force users like Yoda and Sheev didn't have lightsabers because they didn't need them.
The Galactic Battlegrounds game had Sith Masters shoot lightning only too.
>>77555245
Savage Opress is using a double saber
>>77550770
>implying anything but the movies has ever been or will ever be canon
>>77555152
The movie doesn't need to spoonfeed every detail to you dude. Some of it you can extrapolate on your own.
>Separatists start pushing into Republic turf
>things get more desperate
>Kaminoans show up
>"Yo you guys are in trouble, we've been working on a clone army, and you guys look like you need one"
>Senate is scared into voting yes
>Palpatine publicly "purchases" the army that he had commissioned years ago
>>77555165
Those are the fantastical elements, you bumblefuck.
Thought experiment: during one of those assassination in episode 2, that big shiny space ship crash lands on top of Padme's doppelganger. It takes off again, and she's crushed into a pancake. Obi-Wan rolls up with a futuristic kind of bicycle pump and blows her up to normal again.
By your logic, this fucking stupid scene would be entirely justified. After all, the movie doesn't have to make sense - there are people who can shoot lighting or levitate in it!
>>77555193
See, that's probably right, but to me the dialog suggested Sifo died after signing the check and the Cloners assumed he was fucknig off somewhere. I guess it simply was Count Dooku impersonating him. It's needlessly elaborate after a fashion.
>>77555263
Clone Wars
>people actually defending the prequels itt
>>77555245
There was a non-canon comic where Maul got mecha spider legs after staying alive through sheer Force of will, and he went after Obi-Wan on Tattooine
It was super cool so TCW made it canon but later gave him normal-looking legs
TCW also gave him a brother
>>77555306
you mean the EU is little-by-little being vindicated by this stupid and poor replacement. I swear, If Kylo and Rey turn out to be NotJaina and NotJacen. I'm not watching ep VIII
>>77555255
>Yoda and Sheev didn't have lightsabers because they didn't need them.
In RotJ, Sheev refers to a lightsaber as a Jedi weapon, the implication that Darth Vader had one because he was a former Jedi, but not that every dark side user would necessarily have one.
But whatever, everyone gets a ligthsaber and robes in the prequels, logic be damned.
>>77555232
Oh wow I guess you're right, just googled it.
I liked my explanation better, this shit's retarded.
>>77555262
Gotta say that Savage Oppress is a really, really stupid name. Even if you pronounce the "savage" part like you're french or something.
>>77555273
That is really fucking outlandish though, the sword fighting is not considering the setting its in. These people are moving faster than the eye can see with their reflexes being superhuman so yes its ok to have them do the flips. Why don't you go complain about how superman can't fly because it doesn't make sense.
>>77555349
It goes with the territory
>Sheev
>Sio Bibble
>Kylo Ren
>>77551739
Han Solo wielded a lightsaber in fucking Empire Strikes Back.
Jesus Christ, what's with all the 12 year olds who've never seen the films? First they get upset over "They put a black guy in a Star Wars movie now," and now this.
>Left Door: Lucas
>Right Door: Disney
>>77555332
>I swear, If Kylo and Rey turn out to be NotJaina and NotJacen. I'm not watching ep VIIIKylo is definitely Han and Leia's son, Rey is Luke's daughter. Han conceal's Rey's parentage to protect her from whatever the fuck happened to Luke.
>>77555386
The black part is just people being racist
>>77555074
There's probably a couple of good moments in there.
Too bad it's 45 fucking minutes long.
>>77553175
>lightsabers don't cause damage to the walls at all as they're scraping them
took me right out of it
cgi makes directors forget to do actual stage production as well
>>77555361
>These people are moving faster than the eye can see with their reflexes being superhuman
No they're not. You can see them moving, and they're clearly moving in ways that would get them killed if the other guy wasn't also more interested in dancing than in fighting.
>>77555407
They're literally Jaina and Jacen except cousins!?
WTF DISNEY, WTF.
>>77555333
Well, like, I can see why the Sith with more martial bent would use them. Lightsabers are pretty useful stuff when your focus is on getting into people's faces and killing their shit.
But having Palps use a lightsaber just felt weird.
>>77555371
Those are the other kind of Star Wars name, the "made up sounds" type. This is more along the lines of Skywalker or Solo, i.e. made of relevant English words, except a lot more on the nose and dumber sounding.
>>77550905
It HAS been shown that non-Jedi can use lightsabers. Han even used one once in the original Marvel run in the early issues between ANH and ESB.
As long as it doesn't become a regular thing, I think I can let this one use slide
>>77555333
The word Sith never shows up in the OT
Hence Zahn thought they were an alien race who worshiped their lord Vader
>>77555333
In the concept art for episode 1 they did consider dressing up the Jedi like Mad Martigan.
>>77552269
>>Says someone who has never directed a fight scene
>>77555010
>...Which afterward Obi-Wan promptly forgets and never mentions to anyone else that there could be a Sith lord undermining everything.
Why do people keep saying this lately? Obi-Wan told Yoda and Windu at the end of AoTC and they wrote it off as a lie on Dooku's part to create mistrust between the Jedi and the Senate.
>>77555488
Aren't you getting mixed with the Noghri? Or did Zahn have two separate species of aliens worshipping Darth Vader?
>>77555488
It shows up in the extra-canonical material surrounding the OT. Vader is referred to as a Dark Lord of the Sith.
>>77555485
Yes all these individuals had intense training. Tagge for example in the Marvel Comics. Vizsla in TCW.
>>77555550
The Noghri were supposed to be the Sith.
>>77555010
>...Which afterward Obi-Wan promptly forgets and never mentions to anyone else that there could be a Sith lord undermining everything.
He did tell Mace and Yoda about it near the end of the movie, but they weren't sure Dooku was telling the truth at the time.
>>77555434
>Well, like, I can see why the Sith with more martial bent would use them. Lightsabers are pretty useful stuff when your focus is on getting into people's faces and killing their shit.
And I had envisioned both the Jedi and Sith as far more minimalist and less ceremonial than Lucas eventually went with.
Like, the Sith were dangerous for their ability to conceal and be assassins shifting blame and conspiring to undermine others. A signature weapon to the Sith would be an oxymoron.
>>77555546
You don't need to have directed a good fight scene to recognize a bad one. You just need to have watched a good one.
>>77553463
I hope you choke on your own vomit
>>77555432
Don't worryStarkiller Base is just the Sun Crusher.
>>77555488
>The word Sith never shows up in the OT
I was using it as a shorthand to describe people with power over the dark side. That is an inaccurate conflation.
>>77555333
>In RotJ, Sheev refers to a lightsaber as a Jedi weapon, the implication that Darth Vader had one because he was a former Jedi, but not that every dark side user would necessarily have one
Sith are almost always implied to originally be Fallen Jedi so they have a long tradition of using them. Obviously Palpatine developed a distaste for them after achieving unlimited powah. What's wrong with that?
And they were always Jedi robes dude. Obi-Wan isn't just wearing a tunic and belt like Luke and Owen, he's exclusively got tabards and an obi as well. Yoda wore similar clothing, and he was in exile in the middle of nowhere. And then Jedi had Anakin in Obi-style robes.
And I want to add that not only do lots of characters in Star Wars wear different kinds of robes, even in the OT, but plenty of Jedi wear variations on traditional robes or different clothing altogether like Aayla Secura. The tunic/tabards/obi style is just the most common.
If you look at concept art they experimented with other looks for the Jedi but Lucas ultimately decided that he wanted a less aggressive look for them ("Excitement, adventure, a Jedi craves not these things!"), and I would argue that he was entirely justified.
>>77553617
When did they ever have a Hutt Jedi? I thought they were immune to the Force
>>77555586
>but they weren't sure Dooku was telling the truth at the time.
It is the kind of thing you should vet though!
I mean, Yoda couldn't sniff out Sidious in the same room as him, that's some hardcore shit.
It's one oversight out of many Lucas made.
>>77555633
>he wanted a less aggressive look for them
I think this is ironic since during the 90s, the conception of Jedi Knight were not just as warriors, but diplomats/scholars/healers/scientists. For example in TPM, OB1 and Qui-Gonn being sent as ambassadors. But also in the Expanded Universe. It's only post-TPM that they almost became exclusively peacekeepers/bodyguards/warriors and those previous roles are minimized or incorporated into the warrior paradigm.
>>77555690
>I mean, Yoda couldn't sniff out Sidious in the same room as him, that's some hardcore shit.
But isn't that a credit on how good Sidious is at hiding himself?
>>77555546
>People must like something unless they can personally do it better.
I don't want to live in your world.
>>77555417
Are you blind?
>>77554270
>but seriously you do have the shit that's shown and you will get cut down.
Unless of course you have a lot of lightsaber skill and mastery of the Force.
Did it not occur to you these people might have had a lot of lightsaber skill and mastery of the Force? That occurred to me right away
>>77555642
There was one in one of the sequel books. He's more an evil jedi or whatever. Not quite sith.
But they're not immune, Jabba just wasn't weak-minded enough to fall for Luke's bullshit.
>>77555690
How would they even go about vetting it?
And remember one of the big points of the prequels is that the Jedi in some ways allow themselves to be weakened. Yeah, Palpatine's mastery over the dark side is diminishing their ability to use the Force, but they essentially have become too rigid and get drawn into fighting a war that spreads them thin and allows Palpatine to kill them off.
So maybe there was some suspicion, and maybe they just made a critical error by focusing too much on what was happening in the moment- the war with the CIS, which is led by the very guy who tried to tell Obi-Wan that the Senate is under the influence of a Sith lord. Kind of a rock and a hard place don't you think?
>>77554446
So-called "fans" like you are the cancer that's killing Star Wars
>>77555778
Still doesn't change the fact that they'd end up doing well in spite of what you can actually see they're doing, not because of it. That kind of disconnect is poison for suspension of disbelief.
I don't know why anyone has any faith in anything Star Wars anymore. Handing it off to Abrams after what he did to Star Trek should have been the first clue.
>>77555690
I guess you were in the bathroom when Yoda said "Hard to see, the Dark Side is,"
>>77555842
What did he do to Star Trek?Turn it into Star Wars?
>>77555842
Because they keep thinking
>At least it wont be as bad as the prequels
And the script is written by Lawrence Kasdan. Also he did bring back Mission Impossible
>>77554760
>I like to imagine actor just didn't understand what Lucas wanted.
Alec Guiness was an old man who did his own fight choreography. That's what it actually looks like.
>>77555592
While I had expected the Sith to be really fucking angry, aggressive people on average. Anger leads to hate, hate to suffering, and suffering to the dark side, and all that. So lightsabers on Sith didn't bother me. As I said, they're useful if you want to maim people.
But the Emperor always had more of a sorcerer vibe. He had gone beyond the need for petty rage and petty weapons, same as Yoda, was my feeling.
>>77554553
It's almost as if people bitch without knowing what the fuck they're talking about.
>>77555720
I dont want you to live in my world either, It's too fair and open-minded for maggots such as you to sully.
And yeah, having done a better job validates your statement.
>>77555707
Well I think that's kind of an important point though. Yeah the Jedi are peacekeepers and problem solvers of the Republic but at their core they should really be about the will of the Force, and that's not exclusive to the Republic. Maybe the idea is, or the greater entity, but not the political body (which I guess is why Jedi stay out of politics). But they allow themselves to get drawn into fighting a war and their focus shifts to a more aggressive role. There are fewer scientists, healers, explorers, etc. They still have the monk robes in TPM because the war is a ways off, and I think Lucas decided the aggressive Samurai look didn't fit the Jedi traditions. And based on what Yoda says in the OT I agree.
So maybe ROTS should have had the Jedi in armor and specific gear. Clone Wars kinda does it and evokes sort of a medieval look, especially with the longer tunic and tabards many of the early designs have.
>>77555863
>I guess you were in the bathroom when Yoda said "Hard to see, the Dark Side is,"
It's frontloaded writing from Lucas is what it is.
Count Dooku tips his hat over a big reveal that should have the impact of a bomb going off, that's instead discarded as trivial.
I'm splitting hairs, but Lucas' writing is at times eerily clever, other times really fucking dumb, sometimes in the same scenes.
>>77553431
why did the emp not take out the lightsabers as well
>>77555997
Because they run on magic crystals.
>>77555434
>the Sith with more martial bent
Yeah that's why I thought that Maul had one. He was basically a martial artist sith hit man, not the schemer that Palpatine was. The Yoda-Palpatine fight and the Windu-Palpatine fight were dumb as shit.
I mean order 66 showed that there were more effective ways of getting what you want, rather than engaging in a fight.
>>77553431
But that's the advantage of bowcasters. Shit is like 40K lasguns, it may not be as streamlined, light, or accurate as a blaster but it's durable as hell and packs a punch like a mule's kick. The bowcaster should have been the only projectile weapon to still be usable after the EMP.
>>77556027
Precisely my point. Maul having a lightsaber never bothered me. He was clearly muscle. And if you want to cut fuckers, a lightsaber is the best thing the star wars galaxy offers for that. It fit the image. Evil warrior monk, okay, that works.
But Palps suddenly getting out a lightsaber and starting to flip around just... didn't work.
>>77553605
And in the comic all they do is cut open unarmed Imperials. It's the exact same thing.
>>77556119
See >>>/tv/62827262
If we accept the same premise for Palpatine in ROTJ as for Yoda, I think both getting lightsabers were later ideas developed during the prequels.
>>77555592
>And I had envisioned both the Jedi and Sith as far more minimalist and less ceremonial than Lucas eventually went with
Could you not say that was just a problem with your expectations though, and not necessarily the end result? I feel that's something that happens a lot with Star Wars.
I will not call the prequels great movies, because they aren't. While I have found many things to enjoy in all of them, I think it's safe to say that Episode 1 is a mess of a movie, Episode 2 is like 50/50 at best, and that Episode 3 only maybe makes it to good. But I give them a fair shake. And I defend the things I think are worth defending.
And all I'm saying is, yeah, sometimes you can have a semi-valid kneejerk reaction and not like something. But sometimes, coming around to something starts with giving it a fair shake. Sometimes you have to let go of that initial reaction and actively try to see it in a different way. No, you don't have to. There's plenty of other stuff to try. But if you're already this invested in a 6 part story that's soon to be 9 parts, isn't it worth trying to find a reason to like something instead of just writing it off?
That's how I feel anyway. I used to hate on the PT with the best of them, I held many of the same viewpoints that you're expressing now, for the same reasons. But when the trailers for Episode 7 started coming out I decided I needed to go back and give the prequels another shot. And while I don't think they're great movies, or as purely evocative as the OT, I like the story, I like many of the ideas, I feel that the important aspects lend wonderful new ways to look at the OT and the saga as a whole, and so on. I have gotten to the point where I can watch them and enjoy them for what they are, and that includes poking fun at the sillier parts, such as the ridiculous romance.
tl;dr I just advocate trying to have a good attitude about it. More enjoyable than the alternative.
>>77556176
Oh shit, that's fucking sad, really.
>>77553175
>>77553489
The Prequel fights are fine, People just like to cherrypick that one specific gif>>77552269
to make some kind of point.
>>77556119
Palpatine having a Jedi weapon to get rid of Jedi is in character.
Unfortunately Mace knew how to stop the lightning it once he dropped the whole I need a sword act
And he drops it anyway once he exterminated a
>>77555102
good job parroting RLM's review instead of forming your own opinions, babby
>>77555102
So what? He should be screaming and fighting like a dumbass?
>>77556238
>cherrypick
There's a lot of rotten cherries in the prequels, come on.
i never understood lightsabers. you turn them on and they go yay high. how does it know when to stop?
>>77555407
If they change the ideas slightly, they don't have to pay the original authors of those ideas so of course they're going to steal from the eu and plagiarize the previous movie themes.
>>77556391
No one's saying there isn't jackass, but I'm sick of every time the prequels get mentioned suddenly everyone wants to pretend they failed in every last aspect. It's like anti-hype.
Aside from Mace vs Sidious, I genuinely can't think of a bad duel from the Prequels. The action was the highlight.
>>77555884
Kasdan had less than a handful of good ideas and majority of his dissenting opinions that go against Lucas's ideas are the ones that are actually popular. He isn't attacking Lucas's bad ideas, he disagrees with the ones that everyone already liked.
He wanted to kill Han off and Lucas overrode that.
>>77556391
Yeah but the intense fighting is one of those things that you can either allow to bother you or can just say "well they're super-powered daoist space monks with absurd reflexes battling with weightless faux-laser-swords that they've trained with all their life and more importantly it's just visual metaphor so whatever I'll just go with it."
>>77550770
Where did they even get those lightsabers?
>>77555842
This>>77555884
and using as much nostalgia from the OT as fucking possible, combined with all the PC pandering has created an impenetrable shield around the Sequel Trilogy. Anyone that complains is seen as a retarded Lucas fanboy, a misogynistic, racist conservative twat or just a troll.
>>77556601
>Where did they even get those lightsabers?
There's a Hutt who is the number one nerd collector of Jedi memorabilia.
He wears several ligthsabers as a necklace.
>>77553305
Finn is not a Jedi. It's like you people didn't even watch the leaked 720p torrent.The woman, Rey, is a Jedi...or has potential to be one. Finn is just the Han Solo esque character that will be a gunner and tactics man.
>>77551838
Tyvokka, Lucas is a hack
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tyvokka
>>77556679
It's pissing me off how popular this is going to get off of just copying ANH
![giphy[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/IBJz5qr.gif "giphy[1].gif")
>>77554446
Here's your reply.
>>77556706
>that fucking boba in the same shot
those 2 seconds could not be more perfect
>>77552269
You've gotta discount the mindless twirls to actually get at the techniques
>>77554760
When in doubt, just blame Lucas amrite?
>>77556695
If you don't believe me and you refuse to go get the movie yourself, then do me a favor and look at the trading cards. What do Finn and Rey's affiliation say?
>>77553815
>You'd figure there would just be one hulk who'd be able to overpower someone else's saber.
Darth_Malgus.exe
>>77553898
The blade actually has no weight behind it,so technically you are correct.
