I've seen more people on /co/ interested in Tom King lately so I'm storytiming his (fantastic) first ever script for DC here.
It's a stand alone oneshot, no prior knowledge required, just jump in!
>>77434011
The art is kinda bad, but stick with it anyway, it's worth it.
>>77434041
Looks like Didio finally got his wish.
FYI you may want to read this twice.
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>>77434103
Pretty much required thoughif someone just read Grayson 12 and started cluemastering everything they might get it.
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>>77434011
For what it's worth, this was my favorite single issue of 2014.
Although Pax Americana came close. I liked the simplicity in Grayson better.
>>77434103
Reading all of King's work twice is recommended if you want to increase what you get out of it.
There are lots small details you miss first time through.
>>77434142
dat 9-panel layout
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>>77434167
Yeah, even while the artist isn't great, King still makes it work.
>>77434186
I thought Mooney did a fine job with the first Annual though. Even then, you still get all the little character tics
>>77434186
First time I've storytimed anything, and I keep double checking to make sure I'm doing the pages in the right order.
>>77434213
>>77434211
Eh, still not a huge fan.
Though what artist would you most want for this issue, /co/?
>>77434213
Helena is the superior Batgirl
>>77434232
Aw.For those on a re-read, use cluemaster on Helena's words
>>77434232
>"We will not hang you to dry."
This would have been better if you posted the pages in the wrong order.
>>77434243
>>77434234
I think new 52 Helena isn't really a batcharacter (and I mean that in a good way)
>>77434267
>>77434243
>>77434275Best fart joke in comics?
>>77434301
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>>77434323
>>77434335
>>77434282
It's okay, Babs knows Dick really wants Bruce anyway.Seriously, are we not supposed to read it that way?
>>77434335
Still amazing how so many "reviewers" read this and failed to see the significance of it
>>77434352
> You want someone like Batman
> Says the girl dressed like Batman
>>77434352
I saw it as her saying that he wants someone dangerous, unsafe, and out of his comfort zone. Which is basically the theme of this book.
>>77434352
>>77434353
Yeah the spectrum of reviews of this comics is kinda funny.
It's almost like a good litmus test for reviewers - now more people know King and are likely to give him good reviews because they know you're supposed to like him. Back then, we knew very little. You can see who actually reads comics and has some degree of reading comprehension and who just follows the herd and skimmed it.
>>77434352
I think Babs said something similar when Dick banged Helena pre-N52 and then called her to tell her about it. She was also bitter and jealous at the time, though.
>>77434352
I think we're supposed to read it that way.
It's a callback to the Nightwing/Huntress mini I think.
>>77434399
>Dat hideous Robin costume
>>77434369
Hey, she's trying to get the D, but apparently she can tell just dressing up like the bat isn't working
>>77434399
>"Really, it's not so hard."
>"Answers are right in front of you."
>"Nothing could be easier."
>>77434399
>>77434419
Huh, I don't think I've seen that, could someone post the panel?
>>77434447
>Rope burning kills his parents
>Rope burningsaves his life
I really love that parallel
>>77434447
>>77434243
>For those on a re-read, use cluemaster on Helena's words
What do you mean by this? Is there an actual code system I can use to get a deeper meaning of what Helena was saying?
>>77434041
>>77434479
Reminder that there are people who still don't notice the parallel here
>>77434011
Dick looks like Stallone on this cover.
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2014/09/04/futures-end-grayson-1-review
This is the website that gave Batgirl 45 7.3
There was a reviewer that gave it a 3 as well, but I can't remember what site.
>>77434394
Yeah, I agree. It's odd though that King actually ships Dickbabs, isn't it?
>>77434498First letter of each sentence.
>>77434524
I think he ships it in the long run, but he's not going to go out of his way for it.
>>77434528
oh, damn, it makes sense now
thanks anon
>>77434504
Yeah, it's depressing how many people didn't realise that Dick didn't die. What is reading comprehension?
>>77434488
Thanks.
Say what you will about Oracle-Babs, for some reason she's a hell of a lot more likeable than current Batgirl to me
>>77434557
>Say what you will about Oracle-Babs, for some reason she's a hell of a lot more likeable than current Batgirl to me
This isn't even debatable. Oracle-Babs is so much better than hipster Babs. More likeable, more competent, and much more badass
>>77434548
It's shown here >>77434399 when Dick works it out. Also used in a later issue of Grayson
>>77434544
Yeah - I hope it doesn't stop him from giving us Helena/Dickassuming Tiger/Dick is out of the question.
>>77434557
>Yeah, it's depressing how many people didn't realise that Dick didn't die. What is reading comprehension?
How am I supposed to figure that out without narration boxes!?
>>77434041
>>77434267
I like to think that after this story, they ride off into the sunset on the helicopter. While fucking. With Babs watching through the Hypnos.
>>77434598
Tzitzimine, go back to fellating Lobdell.
>>77434598
>>77434524
Yeah, since Tom King was still pretty new. This book showed you which reviewers were shit. I bet they didn't even realized what the Cluemaster's code was.
>>77434598
The whole Grayson "controversy" has made me realise why we have so many hand-holding narration boxes in the first place - apparently a lot of readers actually need them.
>>77434399
I'd love to see Dick react to finding out that Steph is the Cluemaster's daughter
>>77434675
It's why people think Red Hood and the Outlaws is deep.
>>77434695
It tells you exactly what Jason and Roy are thinking so we know that have, y'know thoughts and doubts and stuff unlike other characters!
>>77434683
Do you think Steph ever unconsciously uses the cluemasters code?
It'd be funny if she made snarky comments in code thinking no one would pay attention not realising that Dick was automatically un-cluemastering it.
>>77434715
Did you know that Jason is also known as Red Hood, and he used to be Robin, until he died and came back to life?
>>77434747
QUICK, REREAD ALL OF BR:E FOR HINTS
>>77434747
I hope she spells out "Sexy Batman"
>>77434772
>implying that Tynion is clever enough to incorporate the Cluemaster code
>>77434041
OH FUCK I GOT CHILLS
I GET IT
I GET IT
>>77434598
Honestly I thought it was just a callback and parallel to his parents death. He still gets hung with the rope intact, even if it breaks later he's still dead
>>77434760
Red Hood in a book called Red Hood/Arsenal?!
On that note, I liked how Seeley used an All Star Superman-style opening for the first issue Grayson.
>>77434825
Use cluemaster on the first page.
>>77434825
Helena says "the roof", and Dick goes limp as soon as he hears it. And then you see Helena leave. Batman even says that the acid has "a slight delay allowing the user to leave the scene".
>>77434867
I get it, I got it the first time I read it (well second) but I read it as an ironic goodbye
>>77434851
This is how you effectively recap a character's backstory, particularly one with a complicated 75-year history. One page, short phrases that outline the key points, with the focus on the bright visuals that bring these key points to life.
>>77434882
Fuck, the cover is the final page
>>77434715
>>77434926
Yeah, I can see ASS style opening getting much too repetitive with overuse, but I think it's really effective and think more books could benefit from it right now.Oh how appropriate to open this series with ASS
>>77434941
Oh god, he's on tvtropes too?
I'm honestly curious now about what damaged Tzitzimine to the point that he's on a one man crusade to defend Lobdell against the internet?
>>77434960
Here's another good one
>>77434323
>get this tattoo so they see and know what you are
>>77434431
>wear this horrible colorful outfit so everyone can see you
Aww, they are alike.
>>77435021
Don't forget:
> jump with me from building to building without a rope
>>77435021
In all seriousness Grayson!Helena is a lot like Bruce I think
>>77434524
Gotta give all respect to authors that don't let their ships hurt the story and the characters.
Thanks for posting OP
>>77434981
it's probably actually Lobdell
1. DickNighter
2. DickEna
9999. DickBabs
>>77435426
>DickEna
huh
>>77435458
DickHelena, I assume
>>77435458
Dick and Helena I'm guessing
>>77435426
DickBabs is better than DickFire
Whatever happened to that Young Justice storytime with slutdick?
>>77434301
>dat code
Why is Dick so perfect?
>>77434504
And it could not be more obvious upon rereading. I'm actually mad at the lack of reading comprehension supposed professionals have.
Goddamn, what a fantastic issue.
>>77435638
I have started writing comic reviews and I am amazed by how much you miss if you don't really take a hard look at the issue overall.
A lot of complaints I've noticed about comics is about what it didn't have, instead of people actually looking at the story and seeing what it does have.
>>77435426
Good taste, anon.
Dicknighter makes me sad though, because I love their interactions and chemistry, but I can't think about them longterm because Apollo.
>>77435514
It was archived. I suppose this can be out Dick thread now.
>>77435727
>A lot of complaints I've noticed about comics is about what it didn't have
This is one of my main gripes with reviews in general, not just comics. Too often people judge things based on what they want them to be, and criticise them for not being things that they weren't trying to be in the first place.
Like, I can understand looking at things that way, but a lot people tend to put it as an objective bad thing.
>>77435831
Well, that and even if Dick was bi, he doesn't have an Elektra complex.
>>77435409
>it's probably actually Lobdell
I'm not sure Lobdell puts that much thought into his own work, tbqh. Maybe it's his mother?
>>77435426
>9999. DickBabs
Come on anon, I'm sure there are more than 9998 people in the DC universe to ship Dick with.
>>77435727
Yeah, comics suffer from this a lot, because you always get fans who are like, "NOT MUH DICK!" and bitch that a writer doesn't write a character identically to a previous one
>>77435933
>Elektra complex.
?
>>77435933
All the batkids could want to fuck Bruce though, they're messed up enough
>>77435977
Daddy fixation.
Elektra is the daughter of Agamemnon, whose wife Klytemnestra murdered him when he came home from the Trojan War. Orestes eventually comes back home in disguise and kills his mother, but is then pursued by the Furies for his crime.
>>77435952
>that a writer doesn't write a character identically to a previous one
It's not even just that, they seem to want a straight forward hero beats up bad guy book and think he's "incompetent" for not immedietly saving the day and moving on to the next villain.
Same with Kyle and Omega men actually.
>>77436020
Oh, thanks - I actually knew that but had a stupid brain moment and didn't think.
My mind went immedietly to DD Elektra and thought you meant something like how everyone he dates dies.Dick kinda might have an elektra complex though.
>>77436079
>thought you meant something like how everyone he dates dies.
Well the two girls he did bang since the reboot were deaduntil the second turned out to not be dead
>>77436001
>want to fuck Bruce though
Who wouldn't want to fuck Daddy Bruce though
>>77436606
I know right
>tfw no one has written Amnesiac Bruce/Agent 37 yet
>>77436651
Well there's this.
>>77436706
Who drew this masterpiece?
>>77436706
>the thumbnail swap error shows a Midnighter page
bueno
>>77434927holy shit
>>77434927
OP here, I cannot believe I never got that.
I've read this comic twice before but I never really read into it. I suppose I wasn't in the headspace of actually trying to put these pieces together. I feel like a genuine retard. Excellent issue though.
>>77437063
IGN stop lurking /co/
>>77437100
>comparing me to ign
pls no bully
>>77434011
>tfw Seinfeld did the backwards-story first
>tfw you keep hearing Seinfeld music interludes during the comic's scene changes
>>77437130
Sorry anon.
Have a chibi Dick as an apology.
>>77437246
Why did bad things have to happen to Chibi Dickbats? ;_;
>>77437181
>you keep hearing Seinfeld music interludes during the comic's scene changes
kek
>>77437266
W-what "bad things"? ;_;
>>77437444
He's a robot created by the Empty Hand.
>>77434695
>people think Red Hood and the Outlaws is deep.
Holy shit, people think that?
>>77437444He's seen hanged and kinda twitching in the background of a spread
>>77437936
>hanged
Well, obviously the rope burned.
>>77434772
>>77434794
Seeley's issues!
If he actually did this, like... just... Based Seeley.
>>77437959
What...What if that actually was a shout out to this issue
>>77438351
Morrison... imagine how King would feel about being referenced by Morrison, considering SeeKing are the ones who've been referencing his work?
>>77438351
Probably better to calk it up to hypercrisis, not sure if Reis or Morrison would have read this issue though there would have been plenty of time to include it.
>>77438394
I'm gonna take it as yet more proof of hypercrisis to discuss in a future thread
>>77434624and Midnighter through Helena's.
>>77438243
Crap now I have to re-read his issues on Batman & Robin Eternal now to see if he did this with Stephanie.
>>77438698
>rereading Batman and Robin Eternal
>reading Batman and Robin Eternal
Please don't do that to yourself, anon
>>77437959
Well he's getting resurrected regardless, that's their purpose, to die and be revived in service to the Empty Hand.
>>77439033
It'll be a storytime of pain eventually.
Unless of course the last fun completely knocks our socks off
>>77439033
let him do it for the sake of science and report back
>>77434041
I don't get it. How does it work? Doesn't he still die by the time the acid chews through the rope?
>>77439182
If you're talking about the logistics of the time it takes a human to die from hanging, I'm afraid you'll have to suspend your disbelief a little more anon.
But make sure you use the cluemasters code on that page.
>first time I read this issue since it came out
>didn't bother to do the cluemaster's code because to much work
>didn't get the acid or callbacks
>mfw I'm retarded
>>77439543
at least you know now, imagine going through life never having read it again
>>77439543
It's ok anon, most "professional reviewers" were right there with you.
>>77439543
>tfw I'll never read this and understand it for the first time again
>>77434981
>>77435409
Tzitzimine puts more effort into defending Lobdell than Lobdell puts into his own scripts
>>77439838
This is probably 100% true.
Which just makes it weirder that he's so obsessed with him.
>>77439645
2/10 - IGN
>>77440137
Batgirl 45?
8/10
Snyderbats?
10/10
Robin: Son of a Bitch?
4/10
>>77439838
Maybe that's why Lobdell's scripts are so bad, because he spends all his time online trying to convince people he's not shit.
>>77439112
>Unless of course the last fun completely knocks our socks off
Nah, if anything, it'll only get worse from here.
>>77441635
Well then it'll be a good storytime of pain in a few months.
>>77442206
It's not even bad enough for that though.
At least with something like Rise of Arsenal, I can enjoy how insane and bad it is, this is just mediocre and annoying.
>>77439100
>Well he's getting resurrected regardless, that's their purpose, to die and be revived in service to the Empty Hand.
Never read multiversity, but does the "Empty Hand" represent comic writers?
>>77442553
The more common interpretation is it represents fans who will buy rehashed stories over and over again.
>>77436806
>he thumbnail swap error
What makes that happen?
And that's very appropriate.
Thought I should compile some shit.
So here, the BRE #7 preview. There's a thread up here, >>77438854
The regular, so not a video, preview to Robin War #1 and Grayson #15. >>77439356
Also, some sick ass Neal Adams variants.
>>77443768
And the Titans Hunt #2 preview thread:
>>77443778
I'm back and ready to continue the YJ storytime, if anyone is interested. I figured people would come for the GOAY of 2014, Grayson: FE, and stay for the slutty Dick.
>>77444025
Sure I'm interested.
>>77434168
>Robin War starts with this rhyme
Noice
>>77444101
You, I skimmed over that page. Thank you for making me go back and read it. It's explicitly stated, too. I can't believe I missed it. I love that King actually is using the various elements of the FE issue. In a way, you could say the issue really was the future of the Grayson run. Just not literaly.
>>77444067
That's good then, just give me a second to get ready.
>>77444025
It needs to happen in a Slut Dick thread
>>77444403
I guess I'll storytime in there?
>>77442553
>>77442662
Morrison confirmed that it was the fans
>The real big bad guy at the end - he looks like the Ultra Comics character, but he's also the reader. The empty hand of the reader when he puts the comic down and everything ends. But like the bad guy, he can also come back in full force and say, "You'll meet me again."
>>77439033
Sadly re-read the Seeley issues of B&RE and nothing really save one and is it unintentional or not: OYL. One Year Later.
I'm curious though if Batman Eternal has this code. Probably not.
>>77444101
>Robin War starts with this rhyme
Nice! I hadn't noticed that, but I didn't pay much attention to the preview.
>>77435005
>I shall become a bat
For some reason, that panel is just funny for me.
>>77434927
Oh shit.
>>77448171
Aw. I guess we should pay more attention to King's stuff then. Maybe Dick will use it in Robin War?
I like how this one presents things from both sides.
Most of them kind of suck Batman's dick and act like he's automatically right about not killing.
>>77451555
Yeah, he's good about not just telling you what to think and showing you instead.
Although another of King's issues (3) leaned pretty heavily on "guns are bad"
I didn't have a problem with it personally, but I think some people found it too heavy handedly so.
>>77451923
I think it's more "guns are useful, but shouldn't be the first resort to solve every problem."
>>77451923
I think the idea is that Dick's words were enough. He was enough. Can we all not agree that if you can talk someone out of a crime and into surrendering, violence isn't necessary at all? Right?
And Dick refusing to use a gun, I think, was just him to trying to hold onto some pieces of his old life, while also trying to hide some of his true level of competence.
I imagine reviewers probably went like, "wow, guns are bad. So bad. Veggies are good for you. This was soooo deep."
When the whole point was just to illustrate the gray world of spies, the effectiveness of heroes like Dick, and what violence can lead to. And also get him laid.
I'm really glad /co/ actually likes Grayson, so many people who unrationally hate this run, but at least there are way more people who love it or like it.
>>77452041
>so many people who unrationally hate this run
In a way, I almost see that as a good thing that's it's kinda controversial - as irritating as those people can be.
>I imagine reviewers probably went like, "wow, guns are bad. So bad. Veggies are good for you. This was soooo deep."
>>77451947
>I think it's more "guns are useful, but shouldn't be the first resort to solve every problem."
Yeah, that was my takeaway too, but I'm english and a lot of American views on guns seem kinda crazy and don't make a lot of sense to us, so I didn't think I was the best judge on it.
>>77451555
I know it's a bad-end alternate future, but I found it odd (though not in a bad way) that King had Dick straight up kill someone here.
Especially considering how he's portrayed him in the main timeline, and talked about him in interviews, I thought killing would have been a definite no go for him.
Any thoughts?
I'm curious now, I wasn't reading DC when this happened, what did the other ongoings do for their Futures End tie-ins?Dare I ask what Lobdell did with RHATO?
>>77452423
I guess it's a part of the "blood on hands" and responsability sides from >>77434311 and >>77434447
>>77452423
King does a good job of showing how Dick ended up this way, though. Helena's speech about responsibility and his guilt over enabling KGBeast to murder innocents weighed heavily on him
>>77452869
I think every book did it. For the first few years of the reboot they had September theme months and Futures End got one.
>>77452869
Synder and Fawkes did a prequel to Synder's Detective Comics 27 story that was decent
Jurgens did a Booster Gold one shot that was really good and got our hopes up for Convergence
Swamp Thing got a white lantern ring
Wilson wrote one of the worst comics of all time for Earth 2 (like, HORRID)
>>77453684
Thanks.
>Wilson wrote one of the worst comics of all time for Earth 2
Wow. I need to look this one up now
>Jurgens
>really good
I'm skeptical
>>77452869
Hal Jordan almost did and got stuck into the source wall for safekeeping
John Stewart turned into a dick, killed Indigo-1 and got recruited into the Indigo corps
Guy Gardner became a Blue Lantern
Kyle killed Carol and turned into a dick
Sinestro broke out of space jail and resurrected his corps as Black Lanterns
>>77452869
Funnily enough that Futures End issue was probably the best issue of RHATO Lobdell did.
It was mostly Jason by himself.
>>77454335
You need to read the Convergance follow up for BG as well
>>77454555
>best issue of RHATO
It's was still bad though, right?
>>77454602
It was mostly mediocre.
>>77454428
That Red Lanterns one was awesome. I consider that to be the end of Soule's run
>>77455473
>I consider that to be the end of Soule's run
I haven't read that, did it get worse after that.
>>77455550
Soule's next three issues was the Godhead crossover. Then Landry Walker took over, and all Guy did was walk around moping about how he's angry.
The Futures End one-shot gives closure to the characters.
>>77455473
I thought the GL and Sinestro ones were good too, GL was depressing but done pretty well and the Sinestro one was rad
Red Lanterns was great, like >>77456496 said it had good closure
>>77456536
What happened to Soule?
His DC stuff seems pretty good, but his Marvel stuff has been mainly mediocre to bad.
>>77456642
I really don't know, maybe he just spread himself too thin? Maybe his style was more suited to Red Lanterns and Swamp Thing than his Marvel stuff?
I feel like the Inhumans and Wolverine stuff he did had a lot of editorial drive behind it where Swampy and RL likely didn't (SMWW was his worst DC thing and that has editorial all over it too) so that may be it
>>77456695
Yeah, probably.
I'm most nervous about his Daredevil - Daredevil is a character not really effected by editorial and crossovers and stuff like that, so maybe it'll be better.
I hope he builds on Waid's run though, instead of just reverting back to Bendis/Brubaker DD.
>>77434011
Silly /co/, this is a 1/10 issue: http://www.newsarama.com/22048-best-shots-rapid-reviews-death-of-wolverine-1-green-arrow-futures-end-more.html
Unlike such gems like Death of Wolverine of course!
>>77458753
That's just embarrassing for the reviewer
>>77458753
I want to see how many of these reviewers who trashed Grayson Futures End have been showering Vision #1, Omega Men #1, Grayson #12, and Darkseid War: Green Lantern with praise.
>>77458958
Exactly.
They might like King now, because they now they know that King is a writer we're supposed to like.
I bet if that issue came out today it would get a lot more "Tom King writes another amazing issue! 10/10"
I mean, look at the range of scores here: http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/dc-comics/grayson-futures-end/1
>>77458753
>(It's not a spoiler, that's page 1)
lol
>>77452041
>I think the idea is that Dick's words were enough. He was enough. Can we all not agree that if you can talk someone out of a crime and into surrendering, violence isn't necessary at all? Right?
Yeah, that was my takeaway too.
Also, later in issue 8, King has Dick actually fire a gun at the Paragon thing to defeat it because that time it was necessary (and it wasn't human so fair game I suppose).
Also, King's mentioned he's had to carry a gun for his job before - I think he'd have a more nuanced few on guns than your average comics writer.
>>77459257
Speaking of the gun in #8, I found it odd I haven't even seen anyone mention it. It feels like it might be significant that Dick actually used a gun, though that's largely because it feels so odd seeing him with a gun.
>>77434335
I might be an idiot, but didn't he just kill the people in the bus? And is washing his hands clean? But later (timewise) he still doesn't kill?
>>77434335
It doesn't count maybe because its indirect?
Happens all the time with batman.
>>77459092
>1.0 Newsarama - Aaron Duran
>It's rare to read a book that's this mean, unbalanced, and poorly executed from one of the major publishers. Rare and a real shame.
>2.0 Doom Rocket - Jarrod Jones
>It's not clear what King had hoped towring out of this implausible "what if" scenario, but if the future holds that Dick Grayson becomes a killer for the sake of shock value, then count me out.Grayson: Futures End#1 is another grisly reminder of how a bloated crossover can utterly disrupt an otherwise fantastic book with its own capitalistic insistence. Ostensibly all we've done is pay $4 for a pretty cover with nothing worthwhile inside.
>3.0 Infinite Comix - Brandon Stines
>In the end, Future's End: Grayson #1 is a terrible and disappointing entry into the series. Hopefully it is not collected in the trade, and hopefully things return to normal when Tim Seeley and Mikel Janin return next month.
>>77462637
>1.0 Newsarama - Aaron Duran
>It's rare to read a book that's this mean, unbalanced, and poorly executed from one of the major publishers. Rare and a real shame.
I love how the other Newsarama reviewer constantly references this review on his own review
>>77434011
I just realized that the cover is the last page.
>>77462637
This is some funny stuff
>>77462775
Yeah that was hilarious.
Though his review wasn't very good either from what I remember.
>>77462775
what other reviewer?
>>77462637
Do those reviewers suddenly like King now that he's more well known?
>>77458753
>Every comment is people saying how fucking wrong that review is.
>>77462953
The IGN one is like that too - just full of comments correcting the review.
It's so embarassing for a reviewer to be that dumb that it takes fucking IGN's userbase to explain things to you.
>>77462953
>>77463086
And I think it was one of these sites where another reviewer did a review of the tie in and slammed the first reviewer for being an idiot in the opening paragraph.
>>77463086
You can't spell Ignorant without IGN
Why are King fans on /co/ so insufferable? I keep coming into these threads because I enjoy the man's work, and it seems like every time its a bunch of guys felatting each other over how much smarter they are than everyone else.
>>77463728
You can say that about literally every writer with a burgeoning/strong fanbase.
But for King in particular, it's a shock for pretty much anyone considering the complaints lobbied make it obvious that people aren't even taking the time to actually read the issue.
>>77463728
I personally like how wanting him to be chained forever to DC is fine but wanting him to write Marvel books is fucking blasphemy
>>77464032
I don't think there's anyone here who wants Vision taken away before it ends.
>>77464032
I want him to write both
I just don't want him to get a Marvel exclusive because that's like some kind of weird guarantee that his output will get magically worse
>>77464032
It mostly stems from the fact that he has written the best Dick Grayson in years, they just don't want his run to end. But man to be honest, most people that read King's DC books also loved Vision and would love to see how it progresses, I pray that it survives for longer than Omega-men since that was a book that died before its time.
>>77464100
Is Omega Men not getting its 12 issues? I thought it got uncancelled so it could get its 12 issues.
>>77464101
Yes
>>77464169
It is getting its 12 issues, but King always said he would have liked for it to go beyond 12 issues if the sales were good. But it's a pity it didn't sell. Such a nice attempt to make a non GL centric cosmic book
>>77464169
As far as we know it still is, #8 was solicited for January
>>77464101
Dick was sad that he couldn't date Starfire, so he became Starfire instead
>>77434103
Good advice. Dang, that story must've been complicated to arrange just-so.
>>77464468
>must've been complicated to arrange just-so
Not really, it follows one direction throughout the entire story, it's always going backwards, now a real clusterfuck to read would be the PAX Americana multiversity issue, that shit went back and forth constantly and jumped all over the place.
>>77460040
I think the point is that he uses it as a utility. He used it in issue #2 to detonate an explosive as well. He just doesn't use guns against fleshy humans.
>>77434011
bamp
>>77462812
it's the perfect issue, besides the art I guess
I really like how they brought the code back for another issue in the series.
>>77464101
Nice find.
>>77472821
I really wish we could just have another artist redo the issue with the same script.
Has that ever happened before?
>>77463728
For this thread, it's mainly because the reviews are just so bad, even for the low bar we have for comic reviewers.
When this issue came out, he was a complete unknown and didn't have the critical acclaim he does now, its kind of shocking to see some of these reviews.
http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/dc-comics/grayson-futures-end/1
Like it's okay not liking the book, but damn these people either didn't even read the book or have the reading comprehension of a 5-year old.
>>77464032
>but wanting him to write Marvel books is fucking blasphemy
/co/ is pretty anti-marvel right now (not without reason)
Personally, I'd like him not chained to any company, but I can see why some might be worried about him going to Marvel after what happened to Soule and Lemire.
>>77474744
Is it actually that bad?
I thought Soule's She-Hulk was good, though, and Daredevil looks promising.
Haven't read any of Lemire's work for Marvel, but I'm really looking forward to Moon Knight.
>>77474811
Soule's marvel stuff has been pretty mediocre to bad imo. Not sure about She-Hulk though, I'm mainly thinking about Inhumans and Wolverine.
And Lemire's Extraordinary X-Men is terrible so far. But I suppose that's more Lemire being bad on team books than Marvel.
Wasn't impressed by his Hawkeye either, really.
I'm hoping Soule's Daredevil is okay, since that tends to stay away from editorial interference. Has there been a preview yet?
>>77462944
Newsarama has multiple reviewers.
>>77463149
Yeah, I think this is what I was referring to.
>>77464032
Because Marvel is pretty bad right now and I'd like to see some new blood on Marvel too, not just people that worked for DC working for Marvel now. DC's gone out there and recruited new blood in the last year or so. Marvel is just hiring people that worked for DC, sometimes even being petty and giving them exclusives.
>>77475172
>sometimes even being petty and giving them exclusives.
I don't disagree that Marvel is in a weak place right now, but I don't think exclusives are so much "petty" as a good business decision.
>>77475032
Closest thing we got is the bit about his Chinese buddy's origin in Point One, but it wasn't enough to get any real idea of how the book will turn out.
>>77475172
A lot of people in Marvel are pretty burned off at DC, like Waid and Robinson. Heck, Marvel's main staff of Bendis and friends constantly mock DC yet the one time they tweet a gif of the sad racoon from that movie in taking place somewhere in the galaxy everyone starts licking their boots saying how great Marvel is and how they really care about DC despite the fact they're one of the main reasons on why we'll never get a Marvel/DC crossover again.
>>77476259
>reasons on why we'll never get a Marvel/DC crossover again.
Really, why?
>>77434041
Pencilling is okay, but inking is shit. Some artists can do their own inks, this guy obviously shouldn't.
>>77475810
It's petty to prevent a creator to work at your direct competition.
>>77477194
It's not good for the quality of comics in the industry, sure, but it seems like a pretty obvious decision from a business stand point.
>>77475922
>Chinese buddy's origin in Point One
Huh, what was that?
![3c123be1294a48d50d2417bfa8633936[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6MyjgeN.jpg "3c123be1294a48d50d2417bfa8633936[1].jpg")
>>77478914
Its sort of the intro to Contest of Champions. Uses that book's set up as a framing device for a bunch of short looks at some of the other ANAD books by those books' writers. One of them was Daredevil and it introduced the invisible Chinese guy that Matt's hanging out with in the new book.
>>77476259
vivvav, is that you?
>>77477194
If a writer accepts an exclusive contract, then it's the fault of his former employer for not giving him a better reason to stay
>>77454335
Yeah, the Wilson Earth 2 comic let everyone know what was coming: someone with shitty ideas that he thought were cool, and an attempt at a complex structure by someone without the skills to write it.
