Let's try and do a close read of this
Recap of who Vision is and his status quo.
Waid had him wipe his emotions in that Avengers 0 issue
So Vision basically can't cry now, if you wanna know how bad it is
Not a 3x3 grid, disappointing King.
Fall is showing change as a motif right at the start. There's a lot of that in this first page supporting that, you can't plan life stuff. The omniscient narration is at odds though because it makes this sound so routine. That juxtaposition is core to the book. Robotic and chaotic. Also totally talking about Viz.
616 is obviously a reference to pre Secret Wars numbering. I think the rest is from Tom King's life in DC.
Is anyone in Vision's past associated with the color purple?Grim Reaper i think can be ruled out
First speaking characters. Two different sides of how people look at Vision. Narrator knows some background on them, Nora reads digitally which might mean something.
We learn the Avengers don't like what Vision's doing and now he's working in the White House.
The toaster thing is a reference to Byrne who ruined Vision and Wanda.
Hey the cast!
Look at all those diamonds. Great art throughout the book.
Pointing out how similar the family is right off the bat, with the repeated dialog and twins.
Vision standing in the couch, casual use of powers is always great.
Buncha stuff from the Avengers. A stringless piano. Nora's off put by the vase. The only significance I can think of for the lighter is Human Torch in WW2 but it's a gift from Cap. History, the original Human Torch was an android who was used a little in creating Vision.
Look at Virginia in the last panel. That's what I'm talking about with the art. Wanda's gift is also the one that's alive and doing something, Everbloom.
More on the Everbloom, it can unlock time?
Do you think we'll ever see Hepzibah on Mercury?
So they're both offput by visiting, Nora's not defending Vision like before.
Forgot to bring up, the narrator calling everyone by titles/nouns.
Then big sting where you realize this is doing some kind of twist on a superhero comic. great beat.
The cookies were wasted.
And Vision's a dick. I love this semantic argument. Vision gets that saying "they seem kind" is off but without emotions can't be nice about it or explain why.
check that last panel
A rare glimpse into the thoughts of an autistic fan. Proceed
>>77413861
Ha, I didn't notice the tie-clip the first time.
>>77414096
>rare
your first day on /co/?
That second panel is killing me. "The Vision of my creator" irony. Vision can't explain the American Dream to Virginia, but they're in DC. Take a weekend, the kid's'll love it.
Vision totally just named her Virginia because he drove through the state didn't he.
>>77414096
thx
Kids gonna be kids. They're just stating their powers and that "Would you like me to throw you?" is ominous.
The kids don't understand with great power comes great responsibility
Mostly this page is just showing us reactions to the family. Generally positive.
Mr President that's kinda messed up? Maybe in text you lose the tact. Vision needing money besides being a classic superhero thing reminds me of how often Presidents or other public figures would end up spending all their money campaigning and ultimately barely having actual cash.
Even an android can cry. Whoever Virginia is based on had a rough life. The vase is prominent.
Kids love computers. Viv punching a staircase is fun wordplay/playing with powers. Merchant of Venice getting a nod.
Virginia is such a mom. Keep the expensive clothes clean but stay vigilant. "Danger's not near until it's near", very pragmatic. But if Vision is close by they're fine.Foreshadowing
So innocent
They're fucking flying to class.
Another scene of Vision not getting it and being a jerk. Also exposition. Virginia's brain waves are from a human. and she doesn't like high school. The vase there again
Cap is in Jersey doing something/Avengers stuff
Torn between posting Hamilton lyrics or No Church in the Wild.
>Combine these facts into rhetoric
yeah you don't know american schools Vision
Setting up some plots/dilemmas for the kids.
>>77414379
I didn't mention the crying again
The kids kinda have a better handle on this stuff than the adults.
>>77414306
hate the costume. should have just kept him in a daper suit.
They sleep in separate beds! Best nod to the 50s style sitcoms.
Vision was scared when he saw Virginia first wake up/come to life and this makes him think about whoever he took the brainwaves from. Vision pushes it away as a glitch though.
also the narrator doesn't know as much about the kids as Viz and Virginia. Once they leave the house it doesn't know what's really happening.
>>77413849
Nora and George are both described by using small details that make them unique from other people. These little personal quirks (hot wings and reading) inform George and Nora's personalities and are part of what Vision is trying to give his family by building them a "normal" life.
Is family Vision's self-engineered quirk? These scenes will probably take on a whole other dimension when we discover who the narrator is
The nightmare was bad enough to send Vision away from the family to get a check up.
These kids are taking Arabic? The passive voice thing might be a joke about the narration?
Last panel it shifts into like a crime scene recreation.
Geoff Johns Special!
I wonder if the layout of the house is worth anything
blah blah standardGrim Reaper ranting. always going on about this shit. this is kinda his whole thing.
Social media fucked 'em over.
>>77414457
If King doesn't have Vin get her the syntho-D then it'll be a hugely wasted opportunity.
>>77414089
Vision aspires towards apathy. He judges humanity based on what most people are, without taking into account the optimistic nature of humanity.
He is clearly controlling of his wife and perhaps sees his family more as extensions of himself than independent beings
He's already deeeaaad. ;_;
Mama bear mode, she went berserk. Also using the cookie tray from earlier
The kids here, so sad.
We find out about the vase, and you can't put flowers in it. Why make something that can't do what you made it for?
Family secrets!! That always goes well.
See you in 30
Cool op
Thanks OP, I enjoyed this
>>77413672
you know, if you keep shilling it that hard, more and more people will tell you it's crap.
do you really want to ruin the only good marvel comic being published currently
>>77414306
Shylock reinforces the theme of being judged based on preconceived notions, like George did to Nora.
As the twins argument suggests it's tough to know how to feel towards Shylock, who is definitely the villain of merchant of Venice.
Will one twin defy expectations while the other succumbs to them?
>>77414379
Vision is just willing going through the motions. He hopes to assimilate his family into human culture, while seeming disdainful of human culture at the same time.
Virginia is definitely the more human of the two.
>>77414418
Getting a real miracleman vibe, why should gods pretend to be anything but what they are?
>>77414730
The vase is obviously Virginia. Made to have feelings but unable to properly express or understand them. Maybe this is because of who she got her brainwaves from or because Vision refuses to help her (probably both)
This is why he feels dread; she is a failed creation, forever doomed by his incompetence
>>77415635
Sorry meant George did to the Visions
>>77415673
It's not so much that he is disdainful of human culture, it's that he assumes a very binary definition of what it means to be human. Look at >>77414161, his definition of freedom, and by extension humanity, hinges entirely on an oppositional comparison. He's made the mistake of assuming that if life is meaningless then one's actions inherently lack meaning. This is reinforced by the narration about the vase. It assumes that the only point of a vase is to hold flowers.
>>77413784
its still a 3x3 grid, even watchmen had some merged panels
>>77413784
Thanks for this Anon, threads like this and the hypercrysis make this board worth it's salt.
I think it's good enough for you to trip as well (please do), looking forward for to issue 2 a bit more now.
>>77413861
Smile protocol: Engaged
This is gonna sell like shit and get cancelled by issue six, isn't it? It should have started in June or July when AoU hype was still strong.
>>77414632
It also reminds the audience that Vision is just as artificial as his family, his personality is based on be brain waves from Wonder Man (Simon Williams)
>>77416143
Perhaps disdain is the wrong word. He has a very clinical interpretation of humanity and views things we would think are negative traits as essentials that his family should strive for, ex. The kind vs nice conversation where Vision promotes superficiality.
>>77415564
/co/ needs to have threads about good books more often then just when they come out.
Otherwise /co/ devolves into just talking about bad books
>>77416338
Might do a trip for this and classic Avengers storytimes?
>>77416567
I have a theory it's a stealth mini but if it gets acclaim good for King and Viz. Maybe a v2 too
>>77416915
yeah i figured autistic minutia over a good comics > another thread about a comic everyone hates
>>77413784
This issue becomes better each time I read it, and makes more sense as well. I love how the narration on this page applies to Vision's family as well.
>>77414608
>geoff johns special
damn I'm in the campus library and I just busted out at that
>>77413849
Perhaps the digital thing establishes Nora as more open minded and Geroge as someone who enjoys things the old way and isn't too much accustomed to change.
>>77413672
Just some general thoughts:
The vase references the visions themselves. Vision made extraordinary beings in order to live mundane lives. Like the vase, the Visions cannot do what they were created for. Even Vision himself is pretending, his house feels more than an avengers museum than a typical family home.
Vision has an interesting dynamic with his family. Even though he and Virginia act as parents to the twins, he is also the creator and therefore "father" of Virginia. Even though Vision and Virginia are supposed to be equals this is clearly not the case. Seems to suggest an Adam and Eve relationship, which would make the twins Cain and Abel
>>77414748
>December 2
ftfy
>>77416143
I thought the narration of the vase was a metaphor. The vase represents the Visions and how they can't hold life.
>>77416567
Marvel apparently has faith in it. They sent retailers shipments of issue #2 for free.
>>77416143
>it assumes that the only point of a vase is to hold flowers
I agree. This is the key here, especially in conjunction with the speech about facts needing to find their place or become useless.
The Visions can't fit in and feel anxiety as a result. But their difference is what defines them. It would be silly to put flowers in that vase, but it makes perfect sense to display it as a thing of beauty. Vision is making the mistake of forcing his family (and himself) to be something that they are not by encouraging them towards normalcy
>>77414379
What an asshole.
>>77414730
She is so utterly screwed. Robots, sentient or otherwise, have even fewer rights than Mutants in the Marvel Universe. Kamala Khan, one of the sweetest characters out there right now who would take the side of an innocent rampaging monster in a heartbeat, has no problem killing robots.
They might think they're Pinocchio, but all everyone else is going to see is Skynet, AM, GLaDOS, and the other psycho synthetics.
>>77420444
>Vision is making the mistake of forcing his family (and himself) to be something that they are not by encouraging them towards normalcy
Well he says that they're free to do what he want, it's just that he hasn't bothered to teach them anything. That would be forcing his ideals on them. Which is a Pym or Ultron thing to do. Therefore it's bad and he shouldn't do it. Just give them access to the internet and they can ask google what they want to know.
>>77422028
He wants to allow them to do what they want, but within set parameters (such as going to school, being his family). Which I suppose is what a parent does
Vision doesn't seem like an asshole to me. He's not malicious. He's just honest and direct.
>>77421981
Reminder bigots burned down his and Wanda's place in Jersey
>>77413937
>Wanda's gift is also the one that's alive and doing something, Everbloom.
Ah, Wanda. Does Wanda know what Vision is doing? Its implied the Avengers sort of do.
Well spotted metaphor (or Ted Maul's version "metaphur"...now I am imagining Ted Maul doing a news report on the Visions..."a quazi-family like some sort of robotic gimp club, this Vision is a kind of pristine hellscape like Jonathan Ives on crack in an Ikea store!")
>>77414730
I want to think about the vase more, I like the idea that an earlier anon said about Virginia and emotions but I feel like the vase may be a metaphor for the synthezoids/sentient robots as a whole. They're made to be just like humans, but aren't actually and never will be humans.
Nora leaving the house looking unsettled, wondering why the vase didn't have any water, was an allusion to her meeting the Visions and realizing that they're not quite human.
"Methanic sulfite" calls to mind something artificial and unnatural, the idea that it's poisonous to flowers insinuates that it and nature are fundamentally opposed. The metaphor could be drawn to the Visions and their humanity, or lack thereof.
I also think there's something to the vase levitating; it's impressive, seemingly far more than an ordinary vase, seemingly miraculous except for the fact that it fails at what the perceived purpose of a vase is.
I also like how the narrator's text box "The mystery is then..." is juxtaposed with Virginia telling the children not tell Vision. Her expressive face + the statement that could only come from an emotional concern clashes with the idea that she isn't truly human, symbolized by the metaphor of the vase.
Loved the thread, I wish we had more close readings of comics. They're fun.
>>77414306
>no close up of viv's feet
>>77414730
Did they seriously kill off Grim Reaper in the most lame way possible for this overly pretentious I-Robot, r synthetic life real human??? bullshit
>>77427656
>overly pretentious
explain
>>77427656
Didn't.. didn't Grim Reaper become one of the 4 Horsemen of Death before running off with Daken and the Apocalypse Twins? Shouldn't he be immortal?
Also, didn't we just do the shocking, "Oh my god someone killed Grim Reaper!" sting in Uncanny Avengers before he got Horseman Powers?
I miss Remender.
>>77413709
did he wipe the ability to have emotions, or did he just wipe the emotions associated with wanda?
i interpreted it as the latter
>>77416412
lmao
>>77429404
He wiped all his emotions.
Wanda was just the strongest.
>>77428374
I hear you, it's not all bad cause he's freed to do more creator owned books (which you should try out, if you like his work and aren't), but I was really looking forward to seeing where his cap was going.
>>77429646
Not to mention his Uncanny.
And I was really looking forward to seeing the new team come together.
Now we got all this Inhuman shit mucking it up.
Bloody Inhumies.
>>77414681
Does Vision even have a dick?
>>77429878
Oh yeah.
>>77429878
If he doesn't, he can fashion one.
Imagine, the perfect vibrator dick geared precisely for maximum pleasure.
>>77429878
Of course. Him and Mantis fucking like rabbits while Wanda is right outside their door was a plotpoint in Celestial Quest.
>>77429404
He wiped the emotions associated with all his memories. So like, his memories of Wanda that would once have given him feelings of love or happiness or sadness now don't do anything for him.
He can still feel emotions, he just can't feel emotions from any of his past experiences.
