Ultimates story time, lets get this started
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>>77385128
>flying brick
tone some of the bitchness down
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>>77385153
Damn America got a power creep.
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>>77385191
I thought she gained the ability to go binary on her on in Hickman's avengers.
>>77385196
>waited the entire fight to finish that sentence
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>>77385209
And so they put Galactus on a diet and hooked him up with a sexy young abstract from the other side of the universe.
>>77385223
wrong page
It's got both Carol Danvers and America Chavez in it, man. No one will want to read it here.
>>77385175
>America Chavez can now move at near light speed
Isn't she just the greatest you guys? Best character EVERI hate to sound petty but America really makes me want to drop Ultimates if her unearned wank keeps up
>>77385175
At this point her power is simply out-Mary Sueing others. She's on the same team as Blue Marvel and Captain Marvel and she still manages to be a bigger Mary Sue.
>>77385261
Drop it. She's had dozens of issues to earn your favor and she's been terrible in every single one.
>>77385175
Mother of God.
>>77385148
America is almost as overrated as Carol and I hate how everyone talks about her when discussing diversity in this comic but Monica barely gets a mention
>>77385257
They will read it as long as Rocafort is on art. So I guess the first 4 issues until the fill in starts?
Ultimates is such a shitty pretentious name.I just cant take it seriously.
>>77385175
so is Monica going to do shit in here or just stand in the background when Carol does everything and/or constantly say that America is better
that's not the Monica push I wanted
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>>77385263
>yfw she can actually take the whole team down like she said
>yfw she punches out monica even while she is light
>>77385263
To be fair between Blue Marvel, Captain Marvel, and Spectrum, the team is already firmly in cosmic broken tier so anyone else would need power creep just to roll with them.
I liked it.
>>77385098
>America would only slow us down.
BASED WAKANDA
>>77385316
Nextwave 2 is never going to happen. Ellis made it as a huge insult to you and everybody that would enjoy a book like Nextwave. He made a dumb fun book because he thinks you're dumb.
>>77385339
I don't see them giving Black Panther faster than light reflexes out of the blue.
>>77385229
>We're the ultimate team for ultimate solutions, and we're ending your hunger!
Really. Galactus has been around since the beginning of the universe, and across all of space and billions of years five literally who's (on a universal scale) know how to cure the devourer of his need to devour. When other races who've known galactus for millenia longer haven't.
Is Cosmic Marvel usually this small-scale? Reed Richards is just the smartest man ON EARTH right, he's not the smartest guy in the entire universe?
>>77385391
Never underestimate the power of Affirmative Action.
Their plan to stop Galactus is probably just march on Washington or something
>>77385391
>I don't see them giving Black Panther faster than light reflexes out of the blue.
This is the same Black Panther that, a few years ago, could put Silver Surfer in submission holds. And that was before he had a confirmed movie.
>reading "Niggers in space: the comicbook"
p good issue, the characters I usually don't like I liked and the characters I already liked I still like, we'll see if that keeps up.
Art is MVP of course tho
>>77385148
>certain things don't change like gravity or physics between realities
Isn't that the point of alternate realities, is that those things CAN change?
>>77385417
The basic underlying rules of the marvel multiverse don't change but the outcome does.
>>77385148
Well America ever not be an arrogant bitch?
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>>77385082
So Iso-8 from all those Marvel videogames is finally canon.
Good, surprised it took them so long
>>77385175
Jesus.....
>>77385098
>Also, could you please share the cure to cancer with us?
>NEVER. ONLY WAKANDANS ARE WORTHY OF IT
>>77385491
he's right, you know.
>>77385209
Especially since killing Galactus has been established to be a bad thing.
Pic related hapened last time they killed him
>>77385466
She's been an arrogant mega bitch since vengeance, it's her default personality trait no one's going to change that now.
>>77385541
Except that story ended with that guy being gone forever.
>>77385546
That's fun but not when everyone constantly sucks her cock anyway.
>>77385559
>fun
*fine
>>77385546
She was fine in vengeance, she was only a bitch to she-hulk and that was because she didn't want to be saved. In young avengers and beyond she is a bitch to everyone for no reason.
>>77385549
Shit that get's nullified or wiped from existence generally ends up in Oblivion's domain, wouldn't be that hard to bullshit him back, especially with Ewing's love for using obscure marvel characters.
>>77385571
Spicy latina is the pretty much the only reason that she's a bitch in YA.
>>77385549
It's still been established that Galactus is a necessary force in the universe
>>77385116
>Such grudges are human things, far beneath the one of whom we speak
And that is why Galactus is better than that petty irredeemable assholish monster Beerus, the God of Destruction from Dragon Ball
>>77385596
Yes but its never explained WHY it is necessary to have a guy that goes around eating planets.
>>77385223
>And so they put Galactus on a diet and hooked him up with a sexy young abstract from the other side of the universe.
And that's how Galacta was made!
Please let that be the end of your sentence!
>>77385602
k' buddy
>>77385604
Nigga's gotta eat.
>>77385602
No to mention they've done a better job justifying Galactus' existence, whereas for Beerus they just say "muh blance" and "if old planets aren't destroyed new planets can't be created", which only raises more questions and is definetly not a justification for mass genocide
Carol seems to be written better under Ewing.
On the downside, America seems to have gotten worse.
>>77385624
>they've done a better job justifying Galactus' existence,
Except they haven't at all.
>>77385604
Beats having Ego trying to romance them.
>>77385630
>Galactus has saved the universe multiple times
>As the last survivor of his previous universe, he is bound to Eternity, Infinity, Death, Oblivion and the other abstracts
>Galactus' existence keeps Abraxas away
>When Galactus dies, he'll become the Big Bang that will create the next universe
>>77385537
If you know other people are dying of cancer, and you refuse to help them, then you're not worthy of anything.
You're actually a petty asshole, because they'll even refuse to SELL the cure, meaning they'd rather see other people die than make money off of them not dying
Ewing writes a shitty BP like Hudlin tier
>>77385663
>Galactus has saved the universe multiple times
It would be nice if that was his actual job but it isn't and other people take up saving the universe more than he does. He doesn't even actually seem to give a shit.
>As the last survivor of his previous universe, he is bound to Eternity, Infinity, Death, Oblivion and the other abstracts
So?
>Galactus' existence keeps Abraxas away
Abraxas is gone.
>When Galactus dies, he'll become the Big Bang that will create the next universe
Didn't know this. That justifies keeping him alive but doesn't explain the planet eating
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>>77385209
Color me impressed, my colored friend.
Okay, wanking America is a bit iffy, but I think the characterizations are pretty awesome.
T'Challa is pure hubris and nationalism, Carol is a cocksure cosmic jock (she unthinkingly destroyed her means of getting home to show off), Spectrum set up as the straight woman in this circus of boundless egos.
And I am somewhat convinced that Ms America will experience a kind of setback soon.
Some kind of influence that demonstrates a weakness.
>>77385604
Celestial Population Control.
>>77385196
She technically never really lost that ability of hers.
She just used to lack control of it and well, didn't have the energies necessary to do that on Earth.
But she went Binary in that Secret Avengers arc where she met Mar-Vell again and decided to use the Captain moniker.
>>77385763
I agree that Galactus is necessary, but that's fucking stupid and makes no sense, and has NEVER been a reason expressed in any comic
I don't mind America being about to move at sublight.
A lot of flying bricks who operate in space should be able to do that or move at FTL. Nova, Carol, Thor, Iron Man. If they'be flown in space between Star systems then they should be able to go FTL
Which honestly doesn't make what America is doing here all that impressive. What's Monica saying "I've never seen anything like this before"
>>77385695
Really? I don't see it.
>>77385695
>Panther's incredibly arrogant and thinks Wakanda is superior to America
Yep. That's how Hudlin wrote him. That's also how Priest and Hickman wrote him though so, not really seeing your point.
>>77386079
The personality trait that Hickman let shine the most was his bitch ass nigga-ness.
>>77385098
"America would only slow us down," says Black Panther as he picks up the scraps left from his country getting BTFO by one guy.
>>77385148
Dear Lord, eat something Monica.
>turns out America boobs were slowing her down
>after her breast reduction she is now near light speed
>>77385388
I AM dumb. Give me more.
>>77385175
So, Monica's role in the team is do nothing and point out how awesome America is? Fucking hell /co/, you told me this writer was good!
>>77385417
Presumably there's a limited room for variance on factors like that before the universe simply doesn't form properly.
Anthropic principle.
>>77386079
Priest didn't write him like that. The arrogance didn't start till Hudlin
>>77385076
Is he just "black Reed"?
>>77385388
He is right though, I am dumb.
I also have money. I could give it to him if he pander to my dumb-like brain.
>>77386298
He's a super genius former hero from the 50s who has anti-matter generation and other flying brick powers.
He's got a different perspective
>>77385263
A question, if everyone on the tewm is OP as fuck, does that mean no one is?
>>77385104
Is that a structure the size of a sun? No matter how magically strong Vibranium is but that thing would collapse on itself due to gravity, it's how stars become stars in the first place
>>77385391
This team is probably the strongest Marvel team not made of actual gods. And even then, they are up there.
Monica can solo planets. Blue Marvel is Reed Richards meets Superman, Black Panther is basically Batgod, America is a Fucking Planeswalker....this team is scary
>>77385184
short hair never looks good on women
DOA ;_;
>>77385175
>the anon who said america could beat black bolt was right
>>77385261
So when Superman gets fucked up feats out of fucking nowhere that's okay, lets make respect thread, but god save u is they treat woman/poc/gay, whatever your problem is, character the same!
>>77385785
There's no reason for the Watcher's existence either. There's no reason for the Sun's existence, either. There's no reason for Spiderman's existence. Get off of your high fedora
>>77385391
were you upset when the heroes gathered to stop Thanos and the infinity gauntlet were a bunch of literally whos from Earth?
Earth and its heroes have been a big deal cosmic wise since forever.
>>77385391
Their idea si that after Secret Wars rules of Universe changed so there might not be way to solve Galactus' hunger before, but there might be now.
>>77385408
Ill take it over Bendis' White People in space any time a day.
>>77386451
superman has earned it
>>77386157
>by one guy
Under possession of the Phoenix Force; also, not named "America".
>>77385408
Go back to you know where
>>77386297
Priest's run was where we learned Panther joined the Avengers because he was spying on them because he knew he was the one that would have to take them down if they got too powerful.
His Panther was still arrogant, just not as obnoxious, racist, and poorly written as when Hudlin did it.
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>>77386597
>superman has earned it
What? Really, no, what?
>>77385263
>out-Mary Sueing
Just stop. That term has no meaning.
>>77386248
He is, but not on this book. Just like Lemire is good but not on team books.
>>77386451
Superman was created by two Jews as their power fantasy, so he's about as Jewish and thus poc as America who's Hispanic. Also, Superman started the genre, America is a teen hero oc who by some miracle didn't become event fodder
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>>77386248
I'm so mad, Monica always gets the short end of the stick
How many times did they make her change her name because other characters wanted to use now?
>>77386811
>lesbian
>"by some miracle"
Come on, anon, you are not even trying
>>77386836
2 or 3 at the very least
>>77386845
>Marvel won't kill off characters for cheap pathos if they're lesbians!
Pull the other one
>>77386811
>teen hero oc who by some miracle didn't become event fodder
Because that's what teen heroes are good for, according to you?
Then you can go and fuck yourself, Hopeless.
>>77386889
Wrong pic, mate, this should be the one with Thanos.
>>77385295
I agree.
>>77386889
2white2live.
>>77386894
>caring about teen stereotype Academy characters
I hate Hopeless too but c'mon, about the only good thing about Academy was Pym.
How many decent teen heroes outside of the Batfamily you know, anyway? Kamala, Beast Boy, Kid Devil, Cassie Lang who's not a hero anymore because muh mcu Lang angst, maybe Stargirl but she's rarely in anything, Dorothy Spinner who wasn't relevant since the 90s, that's more or less it, and majority of these aren't even Marvel where teen heroes are usually flavor of the week mutants who die fast
>>77386451
Dude, no, not even close
Superman is THE superhero, not A superhero
But anyway, fuck superman, America is the focus here
The thing is that she's simply not a likeable character, not because she's a woman, not because she's lesbian, not because she's a poc, but simply because she's an unlikable cunt, as seen here >>77385148
In that same fucking page there's a character that's always fucked over, Monica was the first woman Captain Marvel, and they made her give the name to the original Captain Mar-vell's son, and that same fucker would start using the other alias she used when she gave the first one up.
The thing i'm mostly seeing here is people getting mad over Monica being used as a stair to show how America is awesome
>>77386986
Yep, exactly. I'm not sure how exactly it happened but Monica amassed an oddly large following on /co/ (probably largely due to Nextwave) and people were really anticipating her appearence in this book so it's natural they're upset when all she does is praising some literally who teen hero that'll be forgotten in 5 years tops. Despite what average America fan believes, she IS a literally who character for most people because teen hero group books that aren't Teen Titans are rarely popular.
>>77386405
You crazy, baby.
>>77386433
Who?
>>77387031
Hindsight, Monica was almost as big a cunt in Nextwave as America is in every book she's in.
But that was meant to be funny; an condemning of such egocentric behaviour and nobody was buying into her boasts. So it actually worked in Nextwave.
>>77385175
typical Latino, doing everyone elses job better than them
>>77386451
People shit on supes for that too. I doubt people would care if it wasn't such a big jump in power or explained how she got so strong.
>>77385082
>Istotope 8
MARVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL
>>77387236
Do you need to be spoonfed right at the outset? Maybe it's a plot-point.
>>77386976
>only good thing about Academy was Pym.
Mettle and Hazmat were great, I really liked Finesse and personally I think introduction of x_23 and White Tiger was pretty nice.
>>77386976
>How many decent teen heroes outside of the Batfamily you know, anyway?
>Nico Minoru
>Molly Hayes
>karolina Dean
>Chase Stein
>Victor Mancha
>gertrude Yorkes
>Klara Prast
>Xavin
>Eli Bradley
>Billy Kaplan
>Teddy Altman
>Cassie Lang
>Kate Bishop
>Tomy Shepherd
>America Chavez
>young Nathaniel Richards
>Kid Loki
>Teen Loki
>Teen Vision/Jonas
>Ken Mack
>Jeniffer Takeda
>Robbie Reyes
>Aracely Penambula
>Robbie Baldwin
>Ava Ayala
>Victor Alvarez
>Noriko Ashida
>Julian Keller
>Cessily Kincaid
> Victor Borowski
>Santa Vacarro
>Laura Kinney
>Hisako Ichiki
>Ruth Aldine
>Amadeus Cho
>Terrance Ward
>Michael Van Patrick
> Michael, Van & Patrick
>Anwen Bakian
>Abigail Boylen
>Melati Kusama
>Roger Brokeridge
>Emery Schaub
>Carmila Black
>Sylvie Lushton
>Amity Hunter
>Daniel DuBois
>Egghead
>Christopher Colchiss
>Anya Corazon
>Rikki Barnes
>Mayday Parker
And from DC
>Raven
>Kid Devil
>Blue Beetle
>Klarion
>Shinning Knight,
>Anima
>Rose Wilson
>Superboy
>Black Alice
>Timm Hunter
>Static
>Rocket
>Thunder
>Lighting
>Grace Choi
You are now realizing you picked a wrong opponent for this fight
>>77387031
>Popularity equals quiality
Wow, what an idiot.
And if America is going to be forgotten in 5 years - so what? We can enjoy her here and now, I doubt I will be alive in 5 years so why should I give a fuck, I want more of her now when I read comics.
>>77387262
Until it actually gets explained it is just America got super charged for no reason.
>>77385175
Considering she literally met with and is friends with her universe's divine maker, I'm willing to excuse it.
Well, this was okay. The only thing I disliked was the Chavez so special stuff - and even then, I don't mind her being really fast. It just seems weird for Monica to be amazed by her when she works with people like this all the time.
I like that it's basically a huge bag of egos trying not to be a huge bag of egos.
>>77386811
>Superman was created by two Jews as their power fantasy, so he's about as Jewish and thus poc as America who's Hispanic.
I feel like there's a flaw in your logic there.
>>77387311
It was probably just to show America off since she is new and until now most people thought she was weak and just the bus
>>77386986
>Superman is THE superhero, not A superhero
I could pick any superhero here. All of them get riduculous feats all the time - Captain America beating super Skrull, Thor and Strange blowing up planets, Hercules making planet tremble, Hulk blowing up an asteroid. But the moment you give them to a woman /co/ starts bitching and whining.
You people are pathetic.
>The thing is that she's simply not a likeable character, not because she's a woman, not because she's lesbian, not because she's a poc, but simply because she's an unlikable cunt, as seen here
Dude, you guys liked her in Young Avengers, I know because I was there reading storytimes, you only hate her now because she is on Ultimates. Bet once A-Force comes out you will start saying the same things about Nico, as if Runaways never had a fandom here, just because you cannot stand there is push to non-white women. By /co/'s logic woman is on front doing more than being fanservice and she is immeidiatelly unlikeable cunt who has no personality and never had any good stories. Shit like that is why /co/ is laughingstock of the internet.
>>77387292
Either you're listing all teen heroes instead of GOOD teen heroes, or you have no standards at all.
> I doubt I will be alive in 5 years
What, are you going to kill yourself the day before your 20th birthday as part of your autistic teenage c-lister fetish?
>>77387349
>just because you cannot stand there is push to non-white women
Most people are whining about Monica not getting attention, not about Carol or lack of white dudes on team. Black people are kinda... more poc, as stupid as it sounds, that lations who technically aren't a race so to speak, it's just the flaw in American politics and critical race theory that makes them seen as such (by the same logic Irish and Slavs weren't really white 100 years ago)
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>>77387305
>it is just America got super charged for no reason.
And anyone should care, why, actually?
>>77385417
places that have weird physics tend to be too incomprehensible to even bother exploring. unless you know what you're looking at it's just a bunch of weird shit you can't even interact with properly.
>>77387390
>What, are you going to kill yourself the day before your 20th birthday as part of your autistic teenage c-lister fetish?
I'm 26 and working physical labor, of below-average health and actually quite poor, I have realistic look at life in that I will not probably be able to keep up with the way thing look.
>Either you're listing all teen heroes instead of GOOD teen heroes, or you have no standards at all.
Just because YOU don't like them doesn't mean I cannot, I like and enjoy these characters. You might not, but you probably enjoy characters I feel are garbage, like Steve Rogers or Peter Parker. Different tastes and looking for different things in comics.
>>77385689
if the rest of the world wants a cure for cancer they have to come up with something worth trading for it. foreign money is less than worthless compared to the Wakandan Pantherbuck
>>77387292
>Shining Knight
Ystin is at least 20-something and technically almost immortal anyway, she's not a teen hero. Also, you listed literally every single Marvel teen hero and expect to be taken seriously
>>77385785
>and has NEVER been a reason expressed in any comic
it was the whole reveal/premise of the Earth-X comics, including the one where they traveled around the multiverse
>>77387456
Even under communist governments people like you lived well into their 50s, unless you're a junkie or some shit you have two or three decades ahead of you at the very least
>>77386378
Wakanda has anti-gravity tech
>>77387349
No one liked her in YA, all they liked were her thighs.
>>77386555
>they sate his hunger with Iso-8 Flakes
>>77387471
>you listed literally every single Marvel teen hero
No, only the ones I like. For example I omitted Quentin Quire, Gen Hope and WatX kids because fuck them and Hopeless kids because fuck them with a jackhammer.
>>77387471
>Ystin is at least 20-something and technically almost immortal anyway, she's not a teen hero.
Yet has been treated as a teenager and sent to high school in modern times in Seven Soldiers of Victory.
>>77387456
>Just because YOU don't like them doesn't mean I cannot, I like and enjoy these characters
Right. You can like some of them. You can like any of them. If you like ALL of them, your only standard is YAY, THEY'RE TEENS!
>you probably enjoy characters I feel are garbage, like Steve Rogers or Peter Parker
I guarantee you I can find you three good Captain America stories before you can find me three good MVP stories, because his origin story is "OH BOY, HE'S THE BEST AT EVERYTHING, OH NO, HE DIED"
>>77387483
Oh, I thought you meant population control of people across the universe, not population control of Celestials.
My bad
>>77387305
she probably just asked Wiccan for a boost
>>77387349
Ironically 90% of the whiners would never have cared about any of this had various overzealous morons decided to go full retarded with this stuff.
It's literally a kneejerk "just in case" reaction. Most of the stuff /co/ spergs about now is shit they'd have loved a few years ago, but they feel obligated to hate now because some SJW may also like it.
>>77387524
Seven Soldiers was ages ago, did you read Demon Knights? She's an adult there
>>77387489
Then I have pessimistic outlook on my life perspectives. I know I will die broke, alone and likely in gutter and poverty. And that I am one bad medical condition from not being able to afford my bills or one accident at work from the grave or hospital. I simply don't beleive I will be able to keep going much longer so why should I care if characters I like will be remembered when I'm gone? I want them now, instead of two fucking Tony Stark books.
>>77387532
>I can find you three good Captain America stories
Good luck, because I couldn't.
For the record, Ed Brubaker's Cap was the only comic book in my life that made me fall asleep while reading.
>>77387559
I'm pretty sure Merlin transformed her into immortal when she was in her late teens. And she certainly is drawn like much younger than anyone else - Madame Xanadu is suppsoed to be immortal in her physical 20 and she looks much older than Ystina.
>>77387612
Yeah, I've read enough of New X-Men and Whedon's Runaways run to know that they cause uncontrollable vomiting. Hard to fall asleep through that.
Rocafort makes Carol's short hair look really good on her.
>>77387532
>Right. You can like some of them. You can like any of them. If you like ALL of them, your only standard is YAY, THEY'RE TEENS!
I don't like all of them. But I enjoy a lot of them. And some of them I don't - I couldn't ever get into Sam Alexander for example, I cannot get into Spider-Gwen either. I couldn't get into Generation Hope or Wolverine & the X-Men or even Spider-Man & the X-men and it had two kids that I actually liked. But I enjoy a large number of it, especially since I enjoy very little of other parts of Marvel so I tend to look in areas I know I like stuff from.
And you know what? "Yay! They're all teens!" is still ebtter sthandard than who will last for next 30 years or who sells 100k issues or who has brand recognition. Especially when these things usually mean books stricly controlled by editorial - face it or not, "literally who" heroes are where writers can get creative, jsut compare Slott's She-Hulk to his Spider-Man and see which one is actually fun to read, or Bendis books before he got on flagship titles comapred to after he did.
>>77387696
Now you are just petty, since I'm found of those books. At least in them characters have personalities, while Cap is just "plot and um, duh"
>>77385729
>>When Galactus dies, he'll become the Big Bang that will create the next universe
>Didn't know this. That justifies keeping him alive but doesn't explain the planet eating
Hard to stay alive if you don't eat, Anon.
>>77387699
To be fair, Rocafort makes practically everyone look good.
>>77387349
>All of them get riduculous feats all the time
Yes, and that's great, those are mostly hype moments
>But the moment you give them to a woman /co/ starts bitching and whining.
Nop, the moment you give them to shit characters, while throwing awesome characters to the side to do so
Monica is literally made out of light, and yet they had to make fucking America seem greater than she is
White Tiger almost took down Shuma Gorath alone and that was awesome(Even in land's art)
>By /co/'s logic woman is on front doing more than being fanservice and she is immeidiatelly unlikeable cunt who has no personality
I was talking about her being a cunt to Monica, but hey, it's not like you read my post, since you really think i don't want a push for a non-white woman on comics
I just don't want a push for fucking America, that's all
>>77385417
Multiversity shows that if you hail for a world with different rules of physics then you are from another multiversity entirely.
>>77387951
>they had to make fucking America seem greater than she is
America was still barely managing a fraction of Monica's speed. It's impressive but it's not like she outpaced her
>>77385209
Thats a very smug Galactus, almost like he is saying
>Yeah go ahead, end me if you can.
>>77387788
>Captain America is garbage, Brubaker's run put me to to sleep, it's just "plot and um, duh", no personality
>Oh you don't like my favorite books, that's just petty
Sorry, but it's true. The only time I was interested in any New X-Men kids was when Elixir was in X-Force, and Whedon's Runaways was godawful.
>>77387763
>And you know what? "Yay! They're all teens!" is still ebtter sthandard than who will last for next 30 years or who sells 100k issues or who has brand recognition. Especially when these things usually mean books stricly controlled by editorial - face it or not, "literally who" heroes are where writers can get creative, jsut compare Slott's She-Hulk to his Spider-Man and see which one is actually fun to read, or Bendis books before he got on flagship titles comapred to after he did.
Yeah,like how now that Hopeless team is Cyclops, Angel, Iceman, Beast, Wolverine, and Apocalypse the editors won't let him have the same freedom he did when his team was Mettle, Reptil, Sentinel kid, Darkhawk and who gives a fuck else.
>>77388062
That is what he's saying.
>>77388066
>Hopeless
In his case strong editorial control is only an improvement since he cannot write for shit no matter what.
>>77385466
>>77385546
I can deal with arrogance. It can be fun even
What I can't stand is smugness. And others bending over backwards to say how awesome a character is.
>>77388062
He's been killed several times all ready.
>>77388148
How do you know it's not the other way around? Slott only gets to work with c-listers so they let him do whatever because nobody cares if Constrictor gets his arms ripped off or they kill a kid, clone him three times, and then kill the clones. So then after they see people are ok with that, he gets to do the same sort of stuff with Spider-Man because they trust him and all of a sudden OH SHIT, HE LOST HIS TOUCH.
Also, Cable and X-Force was like, the third best X-book when it was running. Better than Bendis, better than Aaron, better than Wood.
>>77385391
T'Challa can put the Silver Surfer in a headlock. I don't think he needs a boost.
>>77385098
based wakanda
>>77388339
>T'Challa can put the Silver Surfer in a headlock.
one fucking panel and everybody acts like that was the end of the fight. Almost a decad now and people won't shut the fuck up about it, they even think it was Hudlin that wrote the story.
>>77388281
C&XF sucked, he turned Cable into glorified radio.
>How do you know it's not the other way around?
Because
a) both people in and outside of Marvel admitted so - both Tom Brevoort and Walt SImmonson, when asked about latter's return to writing Thor, had, separately from each other, said that when Walt was writing Thor, God fo Thunder has been seen as a nobody by Marvel editorial, same like they'd see Hercules today at best, so they let Simmonson do whatever the hell he wanted. These days Thor is a household name so all comics about him have strong editorial control.
b) And if you seriously compare books written by writers with C-listers and A-Lsiters they you can often see that what made former great is still there but restrained, nuttered and "safe", not allowed to go all the way out. Some elements of Slott's strength in She-Hulk can be seen in his Spider-Man but feel held back, a lot.
So for the people wondering how the Hell America could be so fast, I'll elaborate on what they were talking about at the start of the issue:
Iso-8, for the people that don't play shitty f2p games is a magic mcguffin that does literally everything and everybody fights over. The idea that someone got a power boost out of nowhere is totally plausible now that they tossed this out there.
You get enough Iso-8, you can make Hyperion bleed by stabbing him with a broken bottle.
>>77385466
At least she is not calling Monica a "puta" like she did to She-Hulk.
Also I wouldn't mind if she gets knocked down a peg or two somewhere along the line.
>>77388390
Cable's sucked in most of the books he's been in, so that's a wash. If you don't like Forge/Dr. Nemesis science fights, we got nothing more to discuss. Sorry that I enjoyed it for someone less marketable and with less brand recognition than Cable.
>>77388446
Ewing's writing Ultimates. Ewing's writing New Avengers. Eventually, Ms. America and Squirrel Girl are gonna fight, and somebody's fanbase is gonna shit out their vital organs in rage. And it will be *hilarious* whichever one it is.
>>77388148
Clearly you never read any of his mutant related material. Because the guy is a good writer for mutant series
>>77385391
It used to be not this small scale but I guess with the GotG Ooga chakaing and most of the other cosmic characters being MIA or dead it kind of is now.
Also Galactus should be this foreboding figure who does not give a fuck or notice you unless you're worth his time, kind of like in Nova were he barely noticed Rich until he got into his ship.
Also you cannot just solve Galactus' world eating and why would he listen to a bunch if human nobodies?
>>77388551
What his mutant sutff? Borefest of inferno with one horrible joke people keep waving as good? Cringeworthy piece of crap season one was? Oh sorry, Season one doesn't even count as a story, it's fucking filling plotholes after lee and Kirby with jokes and the jokes suck.
His X-Stuff is as much cringeworthy as everything else he wrote.
>>77388532
>If you don't like Forge/Dr. Nemesis science fights,
>Reducing two genisues to pair of manchildren
>patting himself on the back for being a nerd and liking video games
I think I threw up in my mouth jsut thinking about this garbage.
>>77385148
>>77385153
>>77385175
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand dropped
I can hardly stand that cunt of carol danvers but i can make the effort if the writing is good, but added another token black lesbian latino superman x 6?, just no, even i have limits
I'll just assume Ewing can't write team books, new avengers was also shitty and hell, he even has The Maker to work with and just turned him into another villain of the week.
>>77388532
>Ewing's writing Ultimates. Ewing's writing New Avengers. Eventually,
Ewing's writing Contest of Champions, they will have 3 way crossover to fight Elders of the Universe.
>>77388649
I miss that galactus, just like in annhiliation wave, he really felt like a true odin and not just some jobber in purple.
Huh. That was pretty good. Rocafort's improved, and it reminds me a lot of JLA. Not bad. I'm interested to see where it goes.
Now tell me: I haven't read any of the replies yet. Is this is a controversial opinion?
>>77388787
>Ewing can't write team books
>what is mighty Avengers
Is the only criticism people have just a sperg out over power levels? Jesus.
>>77388787
>added
America has been around for years.
>>77388889
>America should be slower
>Other people should be faster
>Galactus shouldn't acknowledge people who haven't achieved their final form
Pretty much
>>77388889
maybe 2 team books is too much for him?, not saying it's easy to work but i am certainly not happy with his last works
>>77388958
yeah, but you could ignore her without too much problems, now by the looks of it she's going to be the next cunt to get a push
>>77385071
YEAH BOIIII
>>77389063
>maybe 2 team books is too much for him?
Three, Contest of Champions is also a team book.
>>77389010
>Galactus shouldn't acknowledge people who haven't achieved their final form
>Not asking Franklin if they could play with his pet
Poor form Ultimates
>>77389309
>>77389326
>>77389063
>>77389219
CoC got better when they included Ares. Maybe this one will improve too?
>>77386713
Not that anon, but Superman has been around for decades, before becoming the best he had to earn respect from his readers, he slowly grew into their hearts, if he saves the day when even other heroes couldn't it's fine, because he is fucking Superman, he can still be called a Mary sue sometimes, same thing goes for Batman (and rightfully so, his whole stitch outside his own series is to be a walking plot armor meme) but deep inside he's still a great superhero. He's iconic, he's a pillar of the genre, he did a lot of great things in his stories, he didn't start by entering in the League and bust their asses showing that he is the best at everything, by that point he was already great.
America didn't do anything to prove that she's a good hero, she did jackshit compared to Superman at least, so the comparison between them is really fucking poor, she just showed up to be better than anyone, the main problem with OCs is that they tell and don't show, which is comic books done wrong.
>>77389689
>he didn't start by entering in the League and bust their asses showing that he is the best at everything
I seem to recall that he did. Or was that the super friends?
Do-do most books with America showcase those god-tier legs?
>>77389689
>she just showed up to be better than anyone
except she didn't do anything better than anyone, except make a fifty year old woman feel old for not beating her by a wide enough margin.
>>77389792
yes, all three of them
>>77389809
These people can't into reading comprehension.
>>77389792
bonus: she canonically goes commando
I'm fine with the characters. I actually liked blue marvel's mini a lot.
I like that marvel is starting to stress how strong some of their characters are.
The writer of the blue marvel mini said BM was stronger than superman, weaker than Thor. As Binary, Ms Marvel is really strong. But I don't like having to pretend she's that relevant or that great. She's always gone back and forth between a and b list. But now we have to see that she's top tier and I don't like being forced to take that seriously, after she's had so many chances and really failed to impress.
Never got into Ms America. Monica... I don't know too much about. Black Panther is pretty cool but there isn't much tension with panther. He always has an out, he's too haxed he's is a comic character. I love batman. Now I see why people say that about Batman, difference is Batman has his demons and his failings. He's more real to me.
Not a big ewing fan but I'm willing to give the book a shot.
>source http://www.newsarama.com/554-sdcc-08-mondo-marvel-panel.html
>>77390305
> there isn't much tension with panther
The tension will come from his interactions with Adam. T'Challa is a "thinks he knows best" type of characters, while Adam seems to despise anyone with that mindset.
>>77390345
I hope we see this. I'm saying inside T'Challa, not his interactions with other characters. I'm sayin T'Challa's a bit too perfect really, he's that guy who gets a A and is mad he didn't get an A+ that isn't tension.
Ewing can be good and bad. He strives towards writing the big "ideas" and I'm sympathetic to that. But he also just falls in love with his characters and doesn't let them do any wrong. And I don't like that so much.
>>77387553
Nice projecting.
I loved Secret Six and Birds of Prey before SJW was even a commonly known word, but this is not great. Also, Black Panther being Batman is the least creative way you can take him. Make him a leader of a state in a way that is meaningful, not just LOL we have batcaves and more cash than god.
>>77387612
Brubaker is great but he really did start to phone his marvel stuff after a while. You see him repeating the same stories over and over-- criminal with heart of gold, brainwashed secret agent agent, i'm in deep cover and no one knows it.
He wrote a great Tao, though.
Here's why I buy into America Chavez's power creep.
Multiverse just reset.
Extra reality stuff is part of her powers, so she's riding that wave?
>>77385760
Marveldrone: the post
>>77390635
After Steve became Cap again there was a noticeable change in quality in the series. Bucky Cap was Brubaker telling the story he wanted to tell, Steve as Cap again was another paycheck.
>>77386399
As in MTG Planeswalker?
>>77390980
Well shit. She is.
>>77385477
this is Al "let's make everything canon" Ewing, after all
Al "Better at being Grant Morrison than Ales Kot" Ewing
Al "Marvel Morrison" Ewing
>>77385084
and lo, is Carol's haircut already inconsistent
>>77385104
>Chris Robinson Assistant Editor
!
>>77385175
Ewing
Ewing what are you doing
>>77386506
Are you retarded?
>>77387413
The Character wanking seems undeserved
>my waifu triggering /co/ already
It's like Christmas came a month and a half early.
>>77391516
>America Chavez is your waifu
>not appearing to be ironic in saying so
your opinion disgusts me
>>77391570
You're making my dick hard, homie. Tell me how you feel about Miles Morales so I can finish.
>>77391606
Can I talk about my waifu instead? You know, introducing minorities in comics done absolutely right (while also making her a 2cute) instead of total cunts like Chavez or cardboard cutouts like Miles?
>>77385084
> Earth's Mightest Hero
SUCK MY FUCKING DICK MARVEL!
>>77391683
Not every character should be likable.
>>77385104
That looks disturbingly similar to Taa-2 in my mind. (Galactus's spaceship)
>>77391684
Not a new thing
>>77392266
It is Galactus's spaceship, though?
>>77388402
Can I use this post to state how much I hate Iso-8 and how fucking retarded, boring and shitty marvel mobile is?
Or it's not ok to state these here?
>>77392295
Yeah. I put my foot in my mouth there since I forgot Galactus was part of the team and misread the narration as the spaceship belonging to BP.
>>77385175
What exactly brought on all of this focus on America? I hated her from the start. The best I can think of is people being blinded by their boners.
>>77388062
He just survived the end of the multi/omniverse yet again.
>>77392298
Nah, go for it. And while I agree with you,I'm playing Marvel Future Fight as we speak. Gotta grind the Elsa, bruv.
>>77385209
Does Galactus still have all the stuff he gained from merging with Gah Lak Tus?
>>77393762
No, he lost that stuff at the end of Hunger when Ultimate Nova blasted him with the Kree's anti-Gah Lak Tus weapon and undid the fusion.
>>77385261
>>77385261
I'm no physicist, but to me "slow motion" from the point of view of light speed isn't very near lightspeed
But whatta i know
>>77385391
Yeah, Galactus has been around for billions of years, but in all that time, people have been trying to destroy him or escape him, not "fix" him.
>>77385477
Oh god, oh god
>>77393790
It isn't but it close enough that she can move while nothing else can.
>>77385098
WAKANDA STRONK
>>77385604
Old Silver Surfer comic. When the Big Crunch happens Phoenix is going to Big Bang the next one using the matter Galactus has stored in his smoov belleh.
>>77385116
I would find it exceedingly hard to respect someone's authority when they keep on giving me tense smouldering looks coupled with cat onesy.
>>77388787
idk senpai sounds like the problem's all you. :^/
>>77395032
Galactus tried doing this himself in a Thanos series and it backfired immediately.
>>77385417
>>77386986
>Monica was the first woman Captain Marvel
In name only. There's literally no other Captain Marvel with less connection to the original Mar-Vell.
In universe she got it from a rambling french hobo, having never even known there was a prior Captain Marvel.
>>77385388
Source? Quote? Anything?
>>77385175
Gotta give a reason for why a mid-tier character is rolling with planet destroyers, except... you know, Ewing dosen't explain why she's this powerful.
It's almost as if Ewing is acting like Chavez has a pedigree like the other characters to fill in on what makes her badarse and awesome when she dosen't have much history like Carol or in-story history like BM.
What a blemish on an otherwise enjoyable issue.
>>77385191
>About as violent
Not even close
>>77385229
Yesss, it's not going to be bland action it's going to be a team that's actually fixing shit.
>>77385408
Why not?
>>77385332
I will drop this book like a hot microwave plate the instant that happens if I still don't get a reason why a physical character like Chavez can move near light speed.
Carol can't move light speed and I'd consider her a heavy hitter.
>>77385388
I really don't mind it, it's not like Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt where we were left on a fuck-you/pay-me cliff hanger; it's pretty self contained.mfw P&SwG S2 never ever
>>77395664
She'll get/has gotten all fucked up on ISO-8.
(Also Carol can travel FTL as Binary)
>>77393790
>>77395247
It's probably something like 10 or 20% of lightspeed then
>>77395796
Binary makes sense cus Carol loses her physical form when that happens, I'll be happy with an Iso-8 reasoning, but I don't want random anime power ups in my comic books.
>>77386451
you think you can bait me? not today.
>>77395844
I'd say slower. Speed of sound is about 350 m/s and I assume she's still subsonic. Of coruse thats about 900000 slower than c.
>>77385098
Rocafort deserves a medal
This nigga made bald bitches look sexy
They should have put Rocafort on X-Men. This comic is shit
>>77386976
That doesn't justify killing them off, cause let's face it 99% of the time when anyone dies in a superhero comic it's awful and drags down the quality of the comic
>>77385175
>This art
>That America lip bite
>This flow of panel and art
>My dick
Monica/America Mother/Daughter fics when?????
>>77385184
She looks like a bloody bloke for fuck's sake.
>>77385196
>Carol yet again using black people just to boost her powers.
This book would be so great, even worth purchasing if Carol wasn't in it.
>>77385204
What's Binary?
