What the fuck happened? Why is everyone hating on Based Waid all of a sudden?
He probably gave some dumbass cape a new costume or something
>>71430843
well after the rape scandal, it's pretty controversial
>>71430843
He compared a infighting movement of being pretty much the kkk
He raped someone at a con or something. I didn't read the other threads either.
>>71430843
Go ask the other thread. We really don't need multiple threads for this. The short version is that Waid is the writer for the upcoming All-new All-Different Avengers book, which has a lot of legacy characters that anti-SJWs have a problem with, so they were on edge about him waiting for their opportunity to accuse him of being an SJW pandering cuck. Then a couple days ago, he said something mean about gamergate on twitter, which gave the anti-SJWs their in for bashing him.
Now he's just yet another person that's gotten the modern day McCarthy treatment, being treated as the bane of mankind because he may or may not have political opinions a group of people disagree with.
>>71430941
Really? Is there a link at your disposal
He said a group of women who are anti-censorship are the same as the KKK and Westboro Baptist Church..
He called out out Gamergate on being Gamergate
>>71430843
Pissed of some gamergaters but personally I stand with the guy
/pol/'s found an excuse to do to /co/ what they did to /v/.
>>71430963
>Now he's just yet another person that's gotten the modern day McCarthy treatment, being treated as the bane of mankind because he may or may not have political opinions a group of people disagree with.
Are SJWs really trying to reverse this criticism when they're so famous for going after anyone who expresses a non-tumblr approved opinion?
>>71430978
>>71431014
>>71431023
>this is how retarded SJWs are
>>71431014
Dan no
Dan why
Look, between the offensive tweets, the rude behavior toward fans at conventions lately, the rape allegations, the gun charge, the meth and the cocaine, the guy is a walking disaster.
>>71430941
Both are irrelevant these days :^)
>>71430963
>Now he's just yet another person that's gotten the modern day McCarthy treatment
He said GamerGate, of which many women are a part of, hates women and are similar to the KKK. You are actually defending this.
WAID IS RIGHT. The best part is probably that he and Busiek are just laughing at this dumb shitI can't wait until GGers find those old Irredeemable ads about how Waid is evil
>>71431041
>this is how retarded 4chan users are
>>71430843
He said that being a troll online is the same as being in the KKK and said the internet should be censored. When he was called out on the censorship advocacy he said that being anti-censorship is the same as being in the KKK as well.
Oh
Oh god
HAAAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAAAAA
It's nothing, he just got into an argument with some Gamer Ghazi fucknuckles on Twitter.
And remember, he previous thread about this said that it had somehow RUINED his carreer.
As if it were the sexist, racist shitheels who support Gamer Gate that buy Waid's anti-racist Daredevil comics!
As if those pathetic excuses for human beings cannhave any effect on the world besides blatant, obvious underhanded manipulation!
As if those degenerates had any economic relevance at all! In ANY imdustry!
Don't worry about anything OP, it's just a bunch of lobotomized chimps throwing a shitfit and acting like they're relevant.
>>71430963
>something mean about gamer gate
And were supposed to hate this guy?
He had a different opinion than /co/ on an issue. This is in no way the same as when SJWs hate someone for having a different opinion than them on an issue.
>>71431056
I don't believe any of that.
>>71431077
>gamergate
Stopped reading there. I don't really give a shit what anyone on any side of the battle has to say about gamergate.
It really is unfair to compare GG to the KKK.the KKK were an actual threat and did shit
>>71431129
Fuck off then.
>twitter drama thread
literally neo/v/
>>71431142
So did GG.
OP here. Anyone have a link to the supposed crash site (Waid's Twitter) itself?
They're butthurt about some stupid political shit that normal adults have learned to ignore.
He's great though.
>>71431099
Apparently you're not allowed to speak out against GG or else you're Double Hitler.
Of course, he shouldn't have gotten involved in gamergate one way or the other, since that never ends well for anybody, but it's not the first time Waid has said some dumb inflammatory shit on twitter. It's just that its usually aimed at DC rather than Ethics in Games Journalism.
>>71431142
>tfw no more nigger terrorizing
>tfw KKK just donates to libraries and hands out pamphlets now
>>71430972
>group of women who are anti-censorship
Is that possible?
>>71431172
>not wanting second hand information
Elitist
Why would you still support GG all this time later? After all this time? After Moot dropped the ban hammer on GG so long ago? Why would you even keep up with it any more?
>>71431077
> of which many women are a part of
Well memed!
>>71431168
>GG
>a threat
>>71431184
>Apparently you're not allowed to speak out against GG or else you're Double Hitler.
I thought it was the other way around.
>>71430843
Can someone give a clear and straightforward answer to this question, with facts, that isn't a piece of overt SJW propaganda like >>71430963
or uselessly vague like every other post ITT?
Ideally with a copy of whichever offending tweet(s) it was that he posted.
>>71431203
Moot is faggot.
>>71431172
also a little light listening
The Panel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyBfJuvopPg
The "Harassment"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymkIiGRvtBg
>>71431143
No you. Last I checked, gamergate discussion was banned from 4chan. Don't you have your own site to circlejerk over/against GG for? Take it to other chan or tumblr, but it doesn't belong here either way.
Just because someone that works in the comics industry said something on twitter about it doesn't make it /co/-related, you fucking autist.
>>71431217
SJWs thrive on playing "i know you are but what am I", because their movement is fundamendally made up of overgrown children.
>>71431168
I meant like getting politicians elected and stuff that matters, not just scaring women out of their homes
>>71431225
Just go on his twitter account and read it yourself if you care that much. It's just people being stupid on social media, Waid included.
>>71431245
>Just because someone that works in the comics industry said something on twitter about it doesn't make it /co/-related, you fucking autist.
The public statements of comics industry professionals have always - always - been grist for /co/, and it is the height of ideologically driven derangement to claim otherwise.
>>71431184
> speak out against SJWs
nothings happens
> speak out against GG
get doxed, death threats, your family gets harassed, etc
>>71431191
Yes. They were thrown out of a con in Canada because their pro-GG poster triggered all the sissies and Waid praised this censorship and eventually labeled them as sexist, KKK and Westboro Baptist Church
>>71431244
Wow and people are defending this idiot.
>>71431095
Your vernacular reeks of tumblr and you seem quite perturbed.
>>71431091
Sauce? I keep seeing people talk about this but yet to see anyone actually post these tweets.
>implying any of this silly shit matters when pic related is the real problem
>>71431244
So a female saying
>women shouldn't be defined as victims
triggered the shit out of tumblr?
>>71431292
Actually, her vernacular reeks of trolling. Though I've gotta say "lobotomized chimps throwing a shitfit" is a decent line.
>>71431244
lol he's actually calling that group of WOMEN "misogynist bullies". What a fucking hack.
>>71431091
He later "apologized" by saying that comparing anti-censorship to the kkk was unfair to the kkk.
Waid who was one of my favorite writers growing up has outed himself as a quite a bit of a twat.
>>71431283
>nothing happens
holy shit are you delusional? do you not remember the plebcomics fiasco?
>>71431283
You've never been to tumblr if you don't think people who commit thought crimes aren't doxxed and harassd by SJWs.
>>71431313
>>>women shouldn't be defined as victims
This statement triggered an expo so hard they called the cops on half a dozen women
>>71431259
For a movement about harassing and chasing women out of the gaming industry they're doing a pretty poor job of doing so, last I checked they were all still there.
>>71431259
EXCUSE ME? I'll have you know that the righteous warriors of GG cost Gawker media MILLIONS in ad revenue. That's the reason SJWs fear us.
I swear, every day I have to add more shit to my filter.
This site was always shit, but it is extra shit now.
>>71431259
>this is what SJWs actually believe
Fucking kek you guys are insane.
>>71431334
Don't worry though tripfag, when the time comes GGers will be recycled back into the earth. :^)
>>71431374
Cry more, faggot.
>>71430843
I liked Kingdom Come
but he is a bastard for going full cuck bum bandit for sjws and anti gamer gate
>>71431095
Yeah just look at this horrible person
I bet she eats babies and votes republican! (which are inherently linked)
Just look at her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFdTVMiD0UI
Mark "purge the unbelievers" Waid is right everyone who doesn't toe the line should be genocided.These are your monsters
>>71431283
>look at me lying! XD
>>71431244
>Sir, I must point out that this statement, is grandiose in how flawed it is, in its description. I happen to be a Latino...
Jesus. Fucking. Christ. I can't read anymore. This is pitiful.
>>71431349
>For a movement about harassing and chasing women
/co/mblr please
>>71431396
Is that a death threat, friend? :^)
>>71431364
Your warriors are no match for ours. We managed to run women who do not agree with us from their booths and jobs. Our crusade is much more righteous than yours. Tremble in fear, pisspoo baby neckbeard, we shall crush you under the foot of the right side of history!
>>71431404
>I liked Kingdom Come
faggot.
>>71431427
no, its a promise. :^)
>>71431217
It's both, anon. The anti-SJWs and SJWs are exactly the same in their tactics and behavior. The problem isn't their individual opinions, but an inherent flaw with their whole generation.
>>71431259
And who chased the women out of this expo?
>Retards can't separate what a person says from his work
>>71431283
> speak out against SJWs
>get doxed, death threats, your family gets harassed, etc.
>speak out against GG
>get doxed, death threats, your family gets harassed, etc.
Fixed. Welcome to modern Outrage Culture, where having opinions on the internet is the greatest crime one can commit.
>>71431420
Some reading comprehension is required, which you seem to sorely lack.
>>71431349
Literally none of the people GG have targeted actually made any games.
>>71431244
I really can't blame Waid for his stance considering many GGers applauded when they basially gutted the only attempt at scholarly study being done of Video Games. Even if they themselves are and know good folks who really are there for "Ethics in Gaming Journalism" they are blind to what's around them.
But this is an affect of modern 'search filter' culture where facebook and similar feeds only show you things it thinks you'll like, so encountering people who disagree or evidence that contradicts the things you like is never encountered.
It's basically created a national epidemic of circle jerking and intellectual masturbation.
>>71431527
Are you faggots confusing /gg/ with /baph/ again?
Literally tumblr: the post.
>>71431305
Why are wealth and class two different things? Wouldn't having wealth determine class?
>>71431396
you dense shit don't skirt around your stupidity like that.
>>71431508
I really have had an issue with this, but I'm trying to learn to separate the two. Like I can't like English version of MGS because I think David Hayter is a whiny baby, I used to love Beaton's work but I don't like how she freaked out, etc. I'd really like to be able to enjoy the work and disconnect it from the person making it, but I always feel that the person puts themselves into their work, if that makes sense.
>>71431560
>basially gutted the only attempt at scholarly study being done of Video Games
Hahahahahahaha, holy fucking jesus dogballs christ
You mean Feminist Frequency?
http://a.pomf.se/qqecrh.pdf?hc_location=ufi
Here is a study that disproves the core of her arguement
>>71431542
My comprehension is fine.
>>71431558
Don't bother, /co/mblr doesn't care about actual facts.
>>71431570
Keep in mind privileged doesn't always equal "power of control"
You can have status without wealth and be of a certain family/group that has reputation and privileges but you yourself have no money.
>>71431244
>participating in these threads instead of rcapping Win-Os
BRAVO AHG
>>71431613
Actually, no there was another one I really can't recall at the moment because I'm only tangentially aware of the whole scenario.
To me, the whole thing reminds me of a quote from Clint Eastwood: "Used to be you could disagree with someone and still be their friend."
>>71431508
And when his retarded politics starts bleeding into his work? I mean that faggot Waid actually did an arc around his version of what happened to Trayvon Martin and it was horrifically bad.
>>71431327
>Waid who was one of my favorite writers growing up has outed himself as a quite a bit of a twat.
Nigga you're only finding this out NOW? This is literally no different than any other instance of Waid posting shit on twitter. He's a twat on twitter 24/7 and has been for years. You're only just realising it now, because he said something that hurt your feelings.
Seriously, Waid is and has always been, the biggest piece of shit in the comics industry to ever make a twitter. That doesn't suddenly make him not a great writer though.
Likewise, Hickman's twitter is 10/10 but that doesn't make him the greatest writer to ever live.
You people put way too much importance on social media.
>>71431527
A libertarian's wet dream.
>>71431661
To elaborate, it was some archival/early video-game storage/saving project that Gamer Gate destroyed.
>>71431661
>"Used to be you could disagree with someone and still be their friend."
You should tell that to Waid. Maybe he'd stop comparing people he disagrees with to the KKK and demanding they be silenced.
>>71431014
Ive lost all respect for you
>>71431558Rev60 comes to mind but that's such horrid shit and made by someone that keeps inserting hihoherself into gg and more often than not they take the cunts bait too.
>>71431618
You're an utter twat because if you fully read that sentence you'd know that it's more positive of GG.
>For a movement about harassing and chasing women out of the gaming industry
>they're doing a pretty poor job of doing so
>last I checked they were all still there.
Should I have added supposedly? Perhaps but retarded GG'ers are so obsessed with sniffing out SJW's that they had so much infighting they had to split their board over at their shitchan.
>>71431656
This is why you guys should use hubs, I can't be assed to trawl through a big ass thread to find all dem links for it to stay up for a day and a halfalso I'm too busy releasing
>>71431661
if you do remember, I'd be interested to read about it
and I've learnt to make peace with creators with shitty opinions, like the earthworm jim guy and Orson Scott Card
>>71431695
>You people put way too much importance on social media.
The 2010s in a nutshell so far.
>>71431706
I'm sure this is totally true.
>>71431508
>Retards can't understand that a person and his work are the same
Hi Orson Scott Card!
>>71430843
He said Gamergaters are akin to the KKK, by which he means a hate group.
/co/ took that and blew it out of proportion and are now claiming that Mark Waid's career is "over". See last week, SJW were made when they discovered that Frank Cho wasn't on their "side". This week, mouth-breathers discover that Waid isn't on their "side".
>>71431656I knew there was a reason I liked him more than his spaghetti brother
>>71431706
oh that? the thing that doesn't matter because almost all games are already stored? the thing that the scholars were trying to make about them because "if it wasn't for us games would become unimportant"
Man, all of these controversies are like Pokemon games.
You get really addicted to them for the first 2 weeks, and then you start to get tired and realize how meaningless all this shit is until a new one comes out.
I wish I wasn't such a slave to shit-flinging but 4chan wouldn't be 4chan without it.
>>71431613
There was someone who claimed they were doing "video game preservation" as an academic thing but GG caused all academics to dismiss videogames entirely so their work was compromised.
If the story is true, I sympathize with putting in effort into something only to have your peers dismiss it for reasons outside your control. But that also means that academia is not a fruitful place for videogames to thrive, and considering how fucked up the arts are right now at universities it's for the best that the two stay separate. Besides, if someone really wants to preserve videogames, the best the hung to do would be to learn how to code and develop emulators.
>>71431444
You say that now, but just wait until comicsgate goes into full swing then we'll see whose crying. At this very moment, we have our top agents preparing a barrage of expertly crafted hashtags to wipe you SJWs off the map. Cho's barrage of blows was just the first step. He's opened the "gate" that'll allow us to ruin your propaganda machine.
>>71431732
>also I'm too busy releasing
And make it snappy, buster!
>and I've learnt to make peace with creators with shitty opinions
That is, you prefer talent to ethics. Which is why you people are easy to manipulate.
>>71431753
>/co/ took that and blew it out of proportion
Yea /co/ are the crazies ones. What Waid said is no different than some right-wing idiot accusing people he disagrees with of being communists. Not to even mention he's completely wrong about GG. I mean if GG is so sexist and hateful against women then why did a group of women show up to that expo who were pro-GG?
>>71431732
>AHG is a homophobe
;_;
>Tripfags and Namefags who you thought to be cool because they contributed to /co/
>wallows in this filth
Im neither pro nor anti but fuck it let shitposting take over /co/ for all I care
>>71431800
>I mean if GG is so sexist and hateful against women then why did a group of women show up to that expo who were pro-GG?
Internalized misogyny
>>71431810
/co/ deserves to die if there's this many people who actually support lies and censorship.
Mark Waid is a fucktard racist with no historical sense or grasp of what comes out of his fingers.
The KKK killed over 3000 people. GamerGate hasn't caused a single casualty.
>>71431259
>Chasing women out of their homes
>Brianna Wu later admits this never actually happened
I can get not supporting GG, but anyone who actually defends people like Anita or Literally Who are retards
Oh lord, I largely avoided the whole GamerGate debacle but I guess it's relevant here....tell me /co/, what exactly IS GamerGate?
>>71431764
>taking down clickbait sites is more important than game archival for the future of video games
Nigga please. I appreciate all the work you do for the win-o threads but you've gotta get your head outta your ass.
>>71431810
Serves you right for trusting people you don't know personally.
>>71431800
>What Waid said is no different than some right-wing idiot accusing people he disagrees with of being communists.
Does /co/ rant and rave and start two threads an hour when something like that happens? No?
>I mean if GG is so sexist and hateful against women then why did a group of women show up to that expo who were pro-GG?
ONE woman showed up and she tried to hijack a panel. And sorry but Gamergate is sexist and hateful. I get there are some folks that are trying to say "Hold on. Let's look at gaming culture reasonably." But unfortunately Gamergate has been hijacked by looneys.
>>71431732
>>71431739
I'm sorry, but I can't seem to locate it. I really wish I could, but my google-fu is week and I need to eat lunch. So I could be wrong.
But what my google search did turn up is that, well, GG tends to spend more time with being assholes than actual investigative reporting.
>>71431652
Ah, basically like people who would be in a particular class because of their parents, but don't own any wealth of their own since they're largely just living off of their parents money. Makes sense.
>>71431753
The KKK murdered thousands. You can't compare anyone short of the Nazis to the KKK unless you want to look like a fucktard racist with no historical sense. He is doing nothing but trivialize the violent crimes committed against black people in the late 80's.
>>71431868
The community has been doing a great job doing the archiving themselves. What exactly was the academic bringing to the table? Did they have a secret schematic of the Saturn that could only be gained from their position?
>>71431868
Great strawman
I said games are already archived, we don't need some scholars rubbing their egos to it
>>71431881
it's okay, I remembered what you were on about with the help of some other anons
>>71431871
>ONE woman showed up and she tried to hijack a panel.
False.
>And sorry but Gamergate is sexist and hateful.
Someone should have told those women that huh?
>But unfortunately Gamergate has been hijacked by looneys.
Yes, those women against censorship are fucking crazy.
>>71431865
A bunch of neckbeards wasting their time by fighting against a bunch of landwhales over interactive digital toys.
>>71431871
GG could be sexist and hateful and still not be comparable to the KKK.
>>71431904
> is doing nothing but trivialize the violent crimes committed against black people in the late 80's.
>You can't compare anyone short of the Nazis to the KKK
>The KKK murdered thousands
You are trivializing the horrors that the Nazi perpetrated. You are LITERALLY worse than two Hitler's stacked on top of each other.
>>71430963McCarthy was right.
>>71431695
>Nigga you're only finding this out NOW? This is literally no different than any other instance of Waid posting shit on twitter. He's a twat on twitter 24/7 and has been for years. You're only just realising it now, because he said something that hurt your feelings.
I don't use twitter so I'm unfamiliar with anything else he may have said, why what else has he done?
>Seriously, Waid is and has always been, the biggest piece of shit in the comics industry to ever make a twitter.
Now I'm very curious
>>71431917
>adoring TenNapel, a politically conservative Christian
>adoring OSC, a violent homophobe
We are what we adore. I'll never HAIL you ever again.
>>71431881
>But what my google search did turn up is that, well, GG tends to spend more time with being assholes than actual investigative reporting.
I'm sure you're not being biased at all.
>>71431826
>Internalized misogyny
That's a misogynist concept.
>>71431928
>>ONE woman showed up and she tried to hijack a panel.
>False.
Citation needed.
>>71431955
Black people are more oppressed than jews so a 200 blacks are worth like a million jews.
>>71431976
Prove your claim first then I'll prove mine.
>>71431569
>Person criticizes Tumblr and Gamergate
>OMG SO BIASED AGAINST GAMERGATE CLEARLY A TUMBLR SHILL
>>71431961
When did I say I adored them?
the point I was making is that I'd learned to enjoy their works but not care for the creatorsit's the same with The IT Crowd and Graham Lineham
>>71431971
>That's a misogynist concept.
That's mansplaining
Does Godwin's Law apply to the KKK?
>>71432005
>That's mansplaining
Assuming I'm male is also misogynist.
>>71431976
See (or listen to) >>71431244
>>71431871
>But unfortunately Gamergate has been hijacked by looneys.
Prove it.
Show that the 'looneys' are the ones actually setting the pace for GG.
Because every source I've looked at demonstrates that GG, for whatever its flaws, is a wide variety of backgrounds trying to have a serious and civil examination of issues in the face of an 'enemy' that utterly refuses to come to the table.
For instance, you've got Milo offering $10,000. TEN FUCKING THOUSAND dollars, to have a debate with Anita Sarkeesian.
https://twitter.com/Nero/status/590056336211238912
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04/20/anita-sarkeesian-debate-me-and-i-will-donate-10000-to-feminist-frequency-or-a-charity-of-your-choice/
Is Milo a 'loony?' If not, then why is anita, the 'expert' in this field, unwilling to debate the guy for charity?
EVEN CREATIONIST KEN HAM WAS WILLING TO HAVE A DEBATE AND PUT HIS IDEAS UP FOR SCRUTINY, and he's almost the definition of a 'loony.'
Why do your espoused beliefs not seem to correlate with observed reality?
Christ I just hate this board. I wish every discussion that's not about comics or cartoons would just get purged.
/pol/ and SJWs don't even read these comics or watch cartoons, you just come here to sling shit at each other.
>>71432005
Mansplaining is auditory rape.
>>71432021
Assuming I assumed you were male is manssuming. Stop putting thoughts into my head you're raping me
>>71432046
MUH SAFE SPACE
>>71432038
> Milo
Ahh yes, that guy! Really, any claim GG makes about supporting "ethical journalism" is blown apart when they buddy up with him.
Seriously, the guy released a book of 'poetry' which was nothing but plagarized Tori Amos lyrics.
>>71432043
Like it or not, the SJWs are co-related.
And if you don't figure this out soon, you'll just end up wondering what the fuck happened to your hobby, why didn't anybody warn you of the rot creeping in and ruining it?
I am literally just stating the fact here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFdTVMiD0UI
>>71432004
>I'd learned to enjoy their works but not care for the creators
Creations are an expression of the creator's mind. A homophobe will create homophobic works, for instance.
But hey, I'm used to tripfags being retards, so don't worry about me, ATeabagGer.
>>71432073
YOU ARE LITERALLY THE KKK AND I'M DEMANDING YOU BE CENSORED
>>71431244
It's quite telling that Anita and Brianna are the go to examples of GG being "against women" when those two are the biggest scam artists around.
>>71432119
CENSORING ME IS RAPING MUH FREEDOMS, WHY ARE YOU RAPING THE EAGLE?
>>71431865
>Original controversy started with a chick named Zoe Quinn. SJW gamer chick who ended up cheating on her husband or boyfriend with five different guys. She tries to lie it off but eventually gets proven. Becomes known as Five Guys Burgers and Fries. Relevant to /v/ because shitstorm and it happened at a GameJam or maybe AGDQ or something, I can't remember
>Turns out a few of the people she slept with were in the games journalism industry, which is notorious for collusion with game devs and just shitty ethics in general. Relevant because Quinn is a dev.
>While /v/ loses it's collective shit and generally lights itself on fire, a withc-hunt begins of searching for unethical actions in the games journalism industry and collusion.
>After a time it's found out that there was only a minor amount of collusion between Quinn and one of the journos she slept with, she used to be in a relationship with him or something I think
>But it started a shitstorm that could no longer be quelled by this revelation
>Quite a bit of collusion is revealed in the industry. SJWs like Brianna "LIterally Who" Wu come out of the woodwork. Anonymous threats flying off from both sides, mostly from GG but many doxxes and shit coming from the SJWs too.
>Literally Who says it got so bad she had to leave her house, although this was a complete bold-faced lie that she later admits she never actually left. Tons of falseflagging on the SJW side of things.
>Eventually the shitstorm settles down and becomes less "Anti-SJW" and more "Unethical Witch Hunt in the Game Dev and Game Journo Industry", though extremist trolls still certainly exist.
>Literally Who and other continue to try and stir up shit to stay relevant
I may have misrepresented some stuff or just been blatantly wrong, I haven't been more than tangentially following GG for awhile.
Mark Waid has always been outspoken and hyperbolic. He's been like that for years.
Don't pretend the game has changed just because he said something you disagree with.
>>71432107
You know what? Fuck you.
I've been reading comics for 25 years. I've work in a comic shop. I'm a professional comic book writer.
Comics doesn't belong to YOU. It belongs to everyone.
Go eat a bag of dicks.
Plural.
>>71432111
>A homophobe will create homophobic works, for instance.
Not necessarilly because people don't have one track minds.
Hitler didn't paint pictures of gunships and tanks or burning bodies he painted farms and stuff, people are not defined by a single one of their political opinions and they are also capable of writing from beyond their perspective unless you assume that every writer is as evil as their villain characters.
>>71432089
And yet, you refuse to discuss his actual ideas and revert to guilt by association and strange character assassinations.
Which are fallacious tactics and demonstrate your refusal to discuss the actual issue on the floor.
If Milo is so easy to take down, Anita would easily wipe the floor with him, no? $10k in the bank for charity, just like that.
WHY do you refuse to discuss the actual issue, rather than the people alone?
Is that the best you can do?
>>71432107
It's always been that what way. Comics (like all art) have tackled social issues like economic inequality, corruption, race, gender, etc. since day one. Readers were able to appreciate the artform and discuss the issues without whining and slinging shit and strawmanning and derailing any conversation with personal beliefs
>>71431865
A jilted ex made up a bunch of bullshit about his girlfriend, writes an 8000 word whine saying she fucked a journalist for good reviews. Turns out this was all bullshit, and the 'positive review' turned out to be 'a quick mention in an article written before they even knew each other', but /v/ and /pol/ decided to use it to go after leftists in the videogame industry, and decide to use 'gaming journalism' as a smokescreen.
>>71432151
You forgot the
>game journos write gamers are dead articles all released on the same day
>/v/ loses its collective shit when they realised their illuminati/jews/hypercrisis turned out to be real
>>71432111
Did you read Ender's Game? it has the gayest scene in a book I've ever readI think OSC has a bit of that self loathing thing going on personallyI'm excluding any manta slash fic that I may have been subjected to
>>71432168
>Not necessarilly because people don't have one track minds.
This, separating art from artist is an important thing to do
>>71431865
Last summer, a sketchy indie developer named Zoe Quinn was revealed to have slept with a bunch of game journalists for positive coverage of a text game about Depression that barely even qualified as a game. Additionally, it was discovered that all game journalism websites were part of some newsgroup where they decide how to all report on stuff, i.e. collusion and cronyism and even uncover possible evidence that Indiecade is all one big racketeering scam and Phil Fish flips out again because he's apparently a big part of it and feigns being hacked by "the Head Mod of /V?" and quits vidya again.
/v/ and reddit start confronting the sites just like they started shitposting about Dorito Pope a while back. Instead of addressing these concerns, all the websites just lump it all under sexism and misogyny and declare "GAMERS ARE DEAD" all at the same time and started an unending grease fire.
>>71432166
>Comics doesn't belong to YOU. It belongs to everyone.
When "everyone" decides that things you personally like are no longer acceptable, you will calmly roll over and shut up in the exact way you want people to right now.
>>71432107
>I am literally just stating the fact here.
no, you're being an alarmist.
Comics will never be taken over by one group or another. Some comics may be infected sure, but to say ALL of comics when there's hundreds of current titles with more being made each year to be marred by this is false.
>Like it or not, the SJWs are co-related
Here's how to get rid of them. SHUT UP
Seriously that's it, stop talking about it, stop talking to them. All you're doing is giving them publicity and credence when you acknowledge them.
All you have to do is block them and don't forget, shut the fuck up. The more you and I and the people do this the less power they have.
>>71432166
>Comics doesn't belong to YOU. It belongs to everyone.
I agree, I just wish the SJW brigade could accept the right of works they find offensive to exist
>>71432166
>It belongs to everyone.
And there's a particular group that does not in fact believe this and would see certain groups purged from the industry.
I am not your enemy. I am not excluding anyone. I am simply pointing out a fucking FACT about what is happening.
Tell me, WHICH GROUP through a fit because they didn't like a particular cover of a particular comic book.
TWICE.
Which group was it? And why are you ignoring that fact as if it doesn't exist?
>>71431960
>why what else has he done?
Weekly "everyone at DC is literally hitler because they made __ character too edgy" and "I walked out of Man of Murder because of how much it ruined the best superhero of all time and anyone who didn't do the same is awful" style shittweeting. Basically being a hyperbolic overly-aggressive asshole to anyone he remotely dislikes.
The way he's acting now is no different than how he usually acts. Just replace "gg" with "modern DC" or "anyone who I disagree with."
>>71432171
Why the hell would Anita waste time with a fringe maniac who clearly just got into this thing for attention? The guy doesn't even LIKE videogames, he wrote articles for years insulting gamers and blaming them for school shootings. Yet GG welcome him aboard, just because they're desperate for ANY positive attention.
>>71432257
>I agree, I just wish the SJW brigade could accept the right of works they find offensive to exist
Bing-tothefucking-O
>>71431800
Same reason there exists gay orthodox christians or black klansmen. Not to mention, they make a handy shield against any accusations.
Hence why the thing about the con turned into "accuse them of misoginy, THEY are the real misogynists!" rather than simply owning up to the fact that not following the con rules of conduct was a dick move.
GG is a jumbled fuckfest of trolls trolling trolls, autocontrarian E-peen wankers and sad sacks. But it's no KKK.
People say stupid shit all the time and one thing doesn't automagically make soneone evil. So this is all a bunch of hot air.
>>71431592
Beaton freaked out?
You mean the protest against some rude and creepy comments is "freaking out?"
>>71432166
>But we must protect our hobby from outsiders
>KEEP THE GATE, MEN!
>People complaining about stuff I like or using their freedom of speech to criticize other free speech is CENSORSHIP
>Companies responding to their preferences is CENSORSHIP, but companies responding to my preferences is just normal functioning of the market!
>>71432171
What's it with GG figure heads being complete disingenuous and opportunistic bastards?
Both Milo and Liana "The Witcher 3 is made of rape" K shat on games and gamers before GG was a thing and now they suddenly changed their tune because it's a niche to fill and profit off of.
And you faggots lap it up and they're heralded as fucking saviors of gaming.
>>71432230
>you will calmly roll over and shut up in the exact way you want people to right now.
We live in the age of the internet, you can not shut people up over a creative idea like a comic.
The comics I and millions of others enjoy will always be around and there will always be more on the way.
>>71432280
>Why the hell would Anita waste time with a fringe maniac who clearly just got into this thing for attention? The guy doesn't even LIKE videogames, he wrote articles for years insulting gamers and blaming them for school shootings.
I dunno, she's wasted all that time with FullMac, she'd be used to it by now
>>71432260
>And there's a particular group that does not in fact believe this and would see certain groups purged from the industry.
What certain groups are being "purged" from the industry?
>>71432230
This is it, basically. If SJW just wanted their own sandbox to play in it would be one thing, but they literally want to eradicate any material they find objectionable.
A slice isn't enough, they want the whole pie. And until they have it, they will continue to portray themselves as the put-upon victims of The Patriarchy.
>>71432171
>Which are fallacious tactics and demonstrate your refusal to discuss the actual issue on the floor.
Welcome to SJWs. It's hilarious that Anita hasn't a single debate with anyone. Even when she went on Colbert and he clearly supported her, he still made her look like a clueless idiot with a couple of softball questions. She knows her "arguments" would completely fall apart in a matter of seconds, which is why she labels all her critics as sexists and misogynists.
I mean why have an actual intelligent discourse with your opponents when you can just call them names or claim they're like the KKK?
>>71431881
I found it !
http://zennistrad.tumblr.com/post/113151511988/gamergate-is-killing-video-games
This is talking about it yes?
>>71432288
Wait, why is the Prime series excluded?
>>71432229
In the interest of being objective it would be dishonest to say that a small but vocally retarded group of /b/ and /v/ edgelords weren't most likely sending rape threats and being dipshits.
As always SJWs were given the excuse that they need to avoid addressing any criticism by autists going too far.
>>71432328
>What certain groups are being "purged" from the industry?
Straight white men.
>>71432280
>Why the hell would Anita waste time with a fringe maniac who clearly just got into this thing for attention?
You just described Anita. Except she got into this thing for money AND attention. And you don't need to like video games to know Anita is a lying sack of shit.
>>71431217
Being male makes you double Hitler.
>>71432338
Well I also want a hot german wife and to won a chocolate factory and for people on this site to stop talking about tumblr. Doesn't mean any of it has or will happened.
You can want all you want, but those same SJW/tumblr complainers are also limp wristed key board warriors with zero pull in the industry and zero will to actually put work in to even dip their toes in.
They can scream and cry all they want and it won't matter.
>>71432400
Fuck yeah does that mean it's my birthday too?
>>71432215
>outing your abusers is wrong
gaslighting and serial cheating is emotional abuse. I don't give a shit about gamergate but zoe quinn is a horrible person.
>>71432229
GG logic
> THESE TWO PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE SAME INDUSTRY AND LIVE IN THE SAME CITY KNOW EACH OTHER! THIS IS CLEARLY A CONSPIRACY, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW FRIENDSHIPS OR CAREERS WORK
>>71432280
>Why the hell would Anita waste time with a fringe maniac who clearly just got into this thing for attention?
Why the Hell would Bill Nye waste time with a fringe maniac who is clearly just got into this thing for attention?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI
Because its a good way to win the war of IDEAS in the eye of the public? Because you can get $10,000 for charity for relatively little work? Because that's what you do when you truly believe your ideas are superior?
Anita utterly
> The guy doesn't even LIKE videogames, he wrote articles for years insulting gamers and blaming them for school shootings.
If this is relevant, then so is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afgtd8ZsXzI
Anita doesn't even LIKE video games either. OH NOES THIS MEANS SHE IS A LOONY. SHE'S WRITING THAT VIDEO GAMES CAUSE SEXISM... which has just as much as much backing as the latter claim. As in zilch.
If Milo's a loony for blaming violence on video games, why isn't Anita a loony for doing the same with sexism? What's the qualitative difference?
Or what?
Anita has literally refused to debate ANYONE on this issue.
If this doesn't indicate fear of putting her ideas up to scrutiny, then what DOES it indicate?
>>71431999
He's clearly a tumblr supporter.
It's that /co/mblr "not all of tumblr is Social Justice bullshit" thought process.
>>71432280
>Wasting her time
He just offered $10,000 to do it. If he's such a maniac, surely she can just shut him down for 30mins and get a solid 10K for "muh feminism" for her trouble?
The truth is Anita isn't worth shit without Jonathan Mcintosh whispering what to say in her ear
Anita is a parrot, a puppet
>>71432291
>or black klansmen
>still comparing them to the KKK
lol grow up, child.
>>71432368
Maybe they meant sans other M?
>>71432433
They're all horrible people.
GG was awful people being awful to other awful people.
>>71431364
>righteous idiocy
So this isnt about gaming journalism or even women gamers anymore?
Because 4chan hates everything.
Goddamn, where the fuck is the janitor?
Anyways, have some OC of /co/ being complacent while SJWs fuck over their industry.
>>71432168
Doesn't the fact that someone who campaigned a war across a continent, advocated ethnical cleansing and was a grade A nationalist painted idyllic pastoral depictions kind of work together though?
Hitler was a human. People are human. Humans make art for other humans and about other humans.
>>71432163
This. Its telling that anytime one of these "controversies" happen, it always ends up turning into a shit flinging contest about video games.
>>71432442
>If this is relevant, then so is this
Of course it's relevant but it's just excused because you've got Liana K and Milo doing it, their past is just let slide and played off as a "mistake" because they pander to GG same as Anita panders to SJW's.
>>71431396
>tripfag
Anon, I
>>71432260
I didn't agree that the Batgirl cover was bad. I thought it was great.
However, I don't understand why people exercising their freedom of speech to criticize what a company does is bad.
I don't understand why a company responding to that criticism and deciding it is more in their interest to change their product is bad.
>>71432493
but zoe quinn gets to play the victim card and everyone just assumes that her ex is jilted liar Which is sexist.
>>71432504
Gamurgate is still happening? What successes have you had recently?
>>71432387
Remember the time GG gave a fuckload of money to a pair of clowns who wanted to release a bunch of anti-Anita videos that literally interviewed Jack Thompson offering his support for them? Which they then cancelled, taking the money with them?
You guys kinda lost any right to complain about Anita being 'anti-game' and 'running a scam' after that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsdIHK8O5yo
>>71432529
>However, I don't understand why people exercising their freedom of speech to criticize what a company does is bad.
How is it any different from people criticizing the call to change the cover? Free speech all around
>>71432301
Its blatant censorship and unethical behavior. That you can't see that only outs you as an SJW shill.
>>71431054
>>71431014
Guys, it's OK, you can disagree with someone on a political point and still be friends.
One of the closest friendships I know of is between a right-wing libertarian and a communist. True friends don't let politics get in the way.
>>71432493
Don't try to divert this away from the fact that zoe quinn is a shitty cunt who torpedoed a pro-woman game jam.
>>71432328
Literally anyone who will not cowtow to the feminist narrative.
Its not like they're hiding this. At all.
>>71431244
That's another creator I will never be able to buy every again because of bullshit oppression olympics politics. I'm getting off the big two train and going back 80's mecha and a few trades of older runs.
>>71431077
>He said GamerGate, of which many women are a part of, hates women and are similar to the KKK. You are actually defending this.
I can not blame most people for thinking this or at least thinking this when they are first presented with a brief rundown of what happened witth GG. The notion behind it was of good intentions but when half of the people that are pro GG are tweeting things like
>YO BITCH! IT'S NOT ABOUT HATING WOMEN, YOU CUNT. IT'S ABOUT ETHICS IN JOURNALISM, WHORE
It's hard to look at that and say "you know what, they don't really hate women. Let's fix video games, guys."
>>71432493
>All muslims are terrible people because of Islamic extremists
GG is full of shitters and /pol/-tier edgelords, but that is most certainly the minority of them.
>>71432545
like I said, awful people being awful to other awful people. It's a shit storm. It doesn't matter if one person was worse than the other, every person actively involved was a bowl of turds.
And zoe didn't get away with it either, she made a post on cracked a while ago and the comments were filled with people calling her out on her bullshit and I doubt that was or will be the only place.
>>71432529
Cause the variant didn't harm anyone.
>>71432504
The things owned by Turner Broadcasting or the things owned by the Walt Disney Corporation?
>>71432478
Smooth, coming from someone who cannot read a whole post.
>>71432581
>the feminist narrative.
>>71432558
I don't actually remember that.
>>71432301
>Someone ironically says "I want to have your babies"
>Stock phrase that fangirls have said for years gender reversed by fanboy towards female artist
>Should be completely innocuous at best and simply ignored at worst
>Instead go on a enormous rant about how comment was "Sexist" and all sorts of other shit
>Basically outed yourself as not only lacking in any sort of humor (ironic considering your job as a cartoonist) but also as a preachy sort looking for any possible chance to soapbox
>Surprised when people start getting tired of hearing you make a mountain out of a molehill
>>71432558
Sounds like GG is the one who got scammed. But it's cute you think that somehow excuses Anita's super villainy. She literally lies to get money. Whenever she's running low on funds or needs a boost she fakes a death threat to herself.
>>71432043
>/pol/ and SJWs don't even read these comics or watch cartoons, you just come here to sling shit at each other.
I don't think you get it. Comics and video games are both popular and flexible to change, unlike Hollywood. People come in calling mysoggynee to get books fundamentally changed. It's not about the quality of books, it's about identify politics.
>>71432581
>Social science PhD's
Try BA's.
>>71432467
>He's clearly a tumblr supporter.
Never been to tumblr in my life besides a small handful of porn blogs. But sure, whatever helps you sleep better at night.
>anyone that disagrees with me is tumblr!
Christ you people are pathetic. You can't even fathom that there might be people out there that find you to be annoying little shits without also being "the enemy."
>>71432607
But the ex got multiple articles on why he's a shitty person for outing an abuser and scores of comments agreeing with that view.
>>71432612
Look, people got up and arms over it. That got the artist's attention, and he asked for it to be pulled because he didn't intend to offend anyone. DC said ok.
I don't see what the fucking problem is. Everyone was in agreement about the distastefulness about it except entitled internet whiners.
>>71432587
>Throwing slurs at someone is comparable to the KKK
Yeah, okay buddy
>>71432280
>a fringe maniac who clearly just got into this thing for attention?
Are we talking about Milo or Anita? I can't tell
>>71432495
>anymore
>>71432467
>You claimed that not everyone on a website of 30-50 million users is exactly the same! You've shown your cards!
>>71432650
I just love this GG narrative. You have literally no proof Anita faked any of the threats. None. And you have that fat fuck TotalBiscuit saying they can't be real threats "because she's still breathing". Is that the line you guys are still going with?
>>71432558
GG were shitting on those guys constantly, though they did have a giggle at the Thompson clip.
>>71432529
Because you're accusing ONE group of trying to be exclusive of others...
While this other group is actively attacking artists for their work and yet gets a pass.
IF you think the people who wanted this cover removed are okay, then I do not see a single way that you can think the people who tried to oppose them are bad.
I don't like how this has basically become a case where everyone on either side has been tarred with the same brush.
I guess I'd say I'm on the 'side' of GamerGate, but at the same time I think that there needs to be more actual discussion between the two 'sides' (if you can even call them that) and less 'SJW!'/'MISOGYNIST!' witch hunting.
>>71432556
We cost Gawker millions in ad revenue, you tumblr shill.
>>71431095
You realize most Gamergaters actually are women, right?
You realize that Gamergate is basically a group of people who think fake-journalism sites like Kotaku that are SJW trash and need to go in the bin instead of being held up as the truth in pop culture?
That the anti-GG people are just insane morons like that chick who wrecked Might Number 9 through her lying and shit opinions who hate being called out on their bullshit?
All the "doxxing" and death-threats is just people getting WAY too passionate about their argument?
>>71432587
>but when half of the people that are pro GG are tweeting things like
Yea this is bullshit. It's only a small minority of GG supporters who post that shit. Not to mention it's fucking retarded to judge a movement by what the few do when on the other side it's damn near everyone saying even worst shit. I mean you're actually defending Waid calling them the KKK and saying women should be silenced for not following HIS political beliefs.
>>71432556
Zoe Quinn recently shelled out $3,000 so she could complain about Twitter trolls to Congress.
Not really a victory but still pretty funny
>>71432623
>Tumblr gif
>didn't bother changing the filename.
You'll have to do better next time.
>>71432702
Not Anita no, but Brianna Wu admitted to falseflagging
>>71432670
again it's awful people being awful to other awful people, I'm not making anybody out to be a good person. I'd push every one of them into a volcano if I could.
Zoe is a shitty person, there is zero doubt about that, but also releasing a public witch hunt is also a really shitty thing to do whether the person deserves it or not.
>>71432467
Anon, slow down there. I don't like Social Justice Warriors but at the same time tumblr is a fucking huge website. You can find basically anything on there. Is a large percentage of the userbase into social justice, often in a way that isn't helpful to anyone? Yes, definitely, but you can't tar the entire site with the same brush.
>>71432680
Yeah, he "pulled it voluntarily" like a senator under indictment resigns "to be with his family."
>>71432442
> VIDEOGAMERS LITERALLY CAUSE MURDER AND DEATH, GAMERS ARE LOSERS WITH YELLOW-STAINED UNDERWEAR
Aww, he didn't mean it, Milo is a good guy really!
> "I'm not a gamer..."
FUCKING EVIL BITCH FUCK FUCK FUCK REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>71432702
>None.
Except that one that she screencapped 12 seconds after it was originally posted.
>>71432691
They're one and the same, but GG lets it slide for Milo because he panders to them >>71432315 Might as well throw this fake cunt in too.
>>71432434
>> THESE TWO PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE SAME INDUSTRY AND LIVE IN THE SAME CITY KNOW EACH OTHER! THIS IS CLEARLY A CONSPIRACY, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW FRIENDSHIPS OR CAREERS WORK
He's in the credits and they admitted to being in a relationship prior to the articles being written.
>>71432620
Your post didn't need to be read any further. Comparing something to the KKK isn't an argument. No more than me calling you a communist is.
>>71432702
>saying they can't be real threats "because she's still breathing"
Except that wasnt what he said
>>71432607
>silencing a victim's outcry
nice. I guess we as a society can't discuss dimestic abuse unless it happens to a living saint.
>>71432596
Lol.
Compare the entire history of Islam and all the people who have ever been Muslim to the amount of extremists there have been. That ratio would surely show that extremists are a small minority.
Compare the short existence of GamerGate to all the harassment that has occurred in that short time span.
But of course, it's always "fringe loonies who don't represent us." Anything anyone does ever can be dismissed as "no true Gator" in order to preserve the legitimacy of the movement.
>>71432730
Wow, you got a few advertisers to pull ads for a month before they all got reinstated whilst the advertisers got wise to your scheme. Nice work!
>>71432623
>TH-THERE IS NO FEMINIST NARRATIVE!
>SHUT IT DOWN! THEY KNOW!
>>71432556
Gawker lost like seven figures of income and ad revenue continues to decline
Escapist revised their ethics policies and got some new writers
People like Moviebob and Leigh Alexander got fired.
>>71432753
Kinda had to, when she got caught doing it multiple times.
Rather a trend with her group.
http://reason.com/blog/2015/04/10/at-umich-a-libertarian-muslim-student-un
>>71432749
forgot pic
