Taking a peek at Aaron Diaz's twitter the first thing I see is this, and I swear I remember seeing him write this same self-congratulatory tweet many times before.
I ask you: are there any other webcomic artists who are constantly praising themselves as much as Diaz is? I don't remember seeing that even from the ones who DO have some merit to be proud of.
>>71136300
Probably Ryan Sohmer.
>>71136300
Is this guy serious? He's like some kind of parody at this point.
>>71136300
Jon Rosenberg of "Multiverse" thinks very highly of his comic as a platform for commending on the racism of StarTrek TOG.
But he is a SJW troll so you can't take his shit seriously.
Dawid Willis had a pretty self-congratulatory period after his first couple of paywall porn comics, proudly boasting on twitter about how great he is at drawing erotica and calling himself a porn lord. He's not exactly humble otherwise either, but considering how ridiculously boner-killingly poorly drawn the smut was his smugness over it really stood out.
winston "constellation of trolls" rowntree comes to mind
but i don't think anyone comes close to diaz, he's the absolute apex of webcomic narcissism. i can't believe he still has the balls to lecture people on acceptable use of cheesecake
>>71136896
pretty sure he was joking about that
it was lame and not funny at all but still
>>71136354
This. Easy mode, but this.
Also CWC but at least Sonichu is a good read.
>>71136354
Met him in real life at a convention. The undeserved smugness just radiates off of him. I was a fan of his fantasy comic at the time, knowing nothing else about him, so I went to get an autograph from him and the artist. He was such a jackass and so put off about signing something for a fan that combined with his undeserved ego he turned me off of his comic right then and there.
>>71137553
Or writing a story. He can just not stop tweeting "advice" about how to construct a good story and write relateable characters while picking apart other people's work. Which is ridiculous when the only good thing about his own magnum opus is the (cheesecakey) art.
>>71137553
>pretty sure he was joking about that
Willis is never joking, all his characters are literally him.
modern Penny arcade
>wow look at my kids us parents amirite
>also I'm totally enjoying game(c) don't forget to check their awesome new products fellah!
Aaron "Ketchup on Steak" Diaz
>>71137553
>pretty sure he was joking about that
Further proof that Willis does not know how to make a joke funny.
>>71136519
Sometimes I like to think that "Aaron Diaz" is nothing but this big performance by some talented artist who wants to see how the public would react to the most smug, self-centered, lazy, "feminist" artist character.
If he were a character in a fictional story he'd be pointed out as the obviously unrealistic strawman, he's just that ridiculous of a person. I'd hate to have him on my side of any argument.
>>71137876
The whole Ashley Burch lust he has going on is very unhealthy.
It's one thing to obsess over some woman that turned him down, but to draw her with limbs cut off as fetish fuel with his own self insert following her like a puppy is freaky. You just know the balding beard goober has serious issues. Apparently he has a deep seated hatred for fit alpha types too, notice his comics are always featuring thin effeminate men.
>>71136300
If it's so good, why does he need to go fishing for compliments on twitter?
>>71138371
>Ashley Burch
What exactly was this again? All I remember is that people thought Kimiko looked like her, but I don't think I've seen anything concrete besides that.
>>71136300
All of them?
>>71136300
All of the successful ones, pretty much.
>>71138445
What's the criteria for success here?
>>71138437
You haven't been reading the right sites then.
>>71138437
She turned him down previously, I heard. Then people connected the dots with Kimiko's looks.
Why has KC Green become so shitty?
>character revels in crushing depression for five panels
>sixth panel is a fart joke
>GENIUS, HUMOR HAS BEEN SUBVERTED ONCE AGAIN
Anime Club was so good, I even bought the book.
>>71138461
Inflated patreon that far exceeds the artist's skill, talent, or ability.
That is success for webcomics.
Most of them are cunts because when someone's good at drawing they don't have to pay their dues, they get praised and fawned over just for drawing, so they tend to think they're superior to everyone. They never had to work for praise. In most of these webcomic cases, at least, and I can't think of an exception.
>>71138484
>They never had to work for praise.
Well, by definition they had to work to get good at drawing.
>>71138439
>>71138445
>live in poverty
>make webcomic drawings as therapy for massive years-long depression
>starting my own webcomic on top of doing other work
>just want to make a better life for myself
/co/ if I ever make it big I want you to keep me in my place because even though I'm poor I don't want to be an Aaron Diaz.
>>71138512
Don't worry, we'll probably think you're always shit and call you a faggot from the start so you can keep it real and whatnot
>>71136300
>publicly declaring your work to be "really good" after personally rereading it
I don't care how good the work is, this is never not a smug fucking thing to do. I don't even think it's a bad work (it might even be good, I guess), but this is just so masturbatory.
Christ, how divorced from reality do you have to be to not have some part of your brain stop you from doing this? "Hold up son, I think we might be going a little far here. Maybe just say you're proud of the work or something."
This is why people can't be trusted with shit like twitter. They just stop self reflecting and just spew every thought out into the world without sanity checking it in their brain.
>>71138474
>>71138464
So it's based on nothing then? Kimiko is a cartoon character. She could look like a million different people. You need something more than "same haircut and female" to base an entire accusation on.
I mean, I hate the guy too, but lets make fun of him for the stupid shit he's actually said and done, there's no need to make up stupid rumors.
>>71138474
>connected the dots
There's not much to the similarity other than "slim girl with short dark hair" though. Maybe that's just the type of girl he likes.
>>71138464
care to illuminate us?
>>71138512
Don't worry, anon. The fact you're even reflecting on this is a good sign.
There are plenty of good artists who don't have unchecked egos. In fact, many have the opposite problem, where they have easily rustled jimmies when it comes to their perception of their skills and work. But they're still good artists with good work and plenty of fans.
Just fight the good fight every day and remember to always try to be better.
>>71136300
>takes so cunting long to write a chapter he needs to go through HIS OWN archive just to remember it
>still sucks himself off, and has the nerve to glance upward at you mid way and coyly ask if he's doing it well
>>71136623
>mfw that pic
I can figure out what's going on in that pic... I just have no idea HOW it happened in the first place.
>>71138536
The rumor's been around for ages.
It's particularly hilarious when you consider how often the creep googles his own name and sometimes comes to /co/. There was a previous thread where some "anon" mysteriously lost his shit and carried on an autistic argument against the rumor being true.
...So naturally it must be true, if only for the comedic value of baldy beard boy's tantrums.
>>71138595
I really do want it to be true because it's fucking hilarious, I just wish we had more to go on. But I guess it's the sort of thing that can never really be proven unless he admits it.
>>71138551
I would but all sources are deemed too dangerous for the cucks.
>>71138638
uh huh
>>71138484
Yeah that's the shitty part. Especially when their comic is shit and they don't upload their content (if you can even call the short work content) consistently. I mean even if they can draw really well I still want to read something interesting or atleast funny. If I want good-looking panels I'd rather look up some web artist.
>>71138527
Appreciate it. Hilariously enough, my brother's nickname for me is "shit" so it'll feel like family if you do.
>>71138552
Thanks, I will. Obamacare actually kinda came through and I got depression medicine so maybe one day it'll fully kick in and I can just make stuff just to make it rather than to push away the crazy thoughts.
>>71138679
>maybe one day it'll fully kick in
It can take a while for this, so if medication is the way you wanna go make sure you stick at it. Can you not get psychotherapy or cognitive behavioural therapy on Obamacare? They did way more for me than medication ever did, and there's no point in putting all your eggs in one basket.
I've read Diaz's comic. Every page out so far. Maybe I'm an ignorant hayseed, but I have no fucking clue what it's even about.
>>71138724
Yeah my primary care physician that I was assigned when I enrolled made a referral for therapy, I guess it's just up to the system how it's handled. I have something called an "intake" in the coming weeks to see where I fit, I guess.
>>71138732
Legend says the yogi who lives on mount clusterfuck is the only one who can make sense of Diaz's shitty layout and plotline.
>>71138766
The hell does a bear know about comics?
>>71138732
There's 3 stages to diaz
Some of his really old work is actually pretty good. There's no central storyline and it's all very bizarre.
Then he starts to get shitty when he settles down with his cast of recurring characters (kimiko, the twins).
When he gets rid of the twins, it's pure shit. Not because the twins were that good, it's just that he apparently wanted to write a super serious story about kimiko. I think Dark Science - the storyline he mentions in the OP - is the start of this phase.
Andrew Hussie had a period when he was totally up his own ass, at about the peak of Homestuck's popularity. So some time after it had begun its descent into shit.
Lately he's had pretty much nothing to do with the fanbase, though, he closed his tumblr and hasn't done a Q&A or anything in years. Guess he got tired of it all.
>>71138766
it's about having the laziest excuse to use the word transhumanism in comic form. Also lazily copying disney's art style.
>>71138804
But what the fuck is the plot? Like..summarize what's happening cause I have fucking clue.
>>71138819
Creators should never closely interact with their fans in the first place. Twitter and tumblr kind of force them to participate, though.
>>71138847
CLOSELY interacting with their fans is one thing, but for a long while he actually had a pretty good thing going with them. People would ask him shit, and he'd either give a funny joke answer or he'd go on a long, cool explanation of shit. I sort of miss it.
Obviously, creators who have too much to do with their fans can get shit on for it, look at how tumblr turned on the Ava's Demon chick.
>>71138732
Me neither, I gave up after a few chapters, It doesn't really draw you in and each dialog between characters is an excuse for him to explain yet another scientific fact that is too disconnected from the situation they're in. It's like the characters carry some encyclopedia and recite some weird fact out of the book.
>>71138840
Oh I don't know, I stopped paying attention. That first storyline, dark science, I think it's about a super advanced ai robot, the singularity, some other bullshit. I haven't read it in years.
It's really not worth trying to understand, though.
Incidentally, if you want to check out the (actually good) webcomic that Diaz was trying to ape, when he first started out, it's called A Lesson is Learned But the Damage is Irreversible.
http://alessonislearned.com/
>>71136300
Diaz is a shitbag and the only think he's ever made that was any good was the philosophy D&D comic parody thing. That's literally it. Every other thing is just him masturbating with a Cintiq.
>>71136300
>I used to like Diaz and started working on my drawing because of him ages ago
Dark Science is actually pretty terrible.
>>71138933
I still like his style, it's just that everything else about him and his comic is shit.
>>71138847
There are plenty of artists who can manage the delicate balance of fan interaction and not being a shit. No where near all of them or even a majority, I fear, but there are good artists who do good work and can still manage to communicate with fans like rational people and not descend into self wanking and outrage.
Ashley Cope is one of those, and routinely answers questions about her comic or just shoots the shit with fans. She also has a dedicated tumblr for the comic, separate from her more personal tumblr. Which, frankly, seems like a must for the modern internet.
>>71138957
The guy who does Endtown is pretty great too, when /co/ did a bunch of pictures for his birthday and sent them to him, he sent back a picture of his own thanking them. And he also answers questions about stuff too without spoiling plotlines, pretty decent guy all around.
>>71138804
Here are the 3 stages of diaz.
Stage 1: not bad, if a bit bizarre
>>71138999
Stage 2: pretty bad, very pseudointellgectual
>>71136300
Its weird that I actually finding myself needing to explain this but here we are...
What. the. fuck. do you think twitter is for?
Its nothing but an advertising tool for self-promotion. Some of you seem to have got into your head after seeing some funny tweets out there that such is what the medium is for, its a free entertainment platform for you and self-promotion is an atypical faux pas usage, but you've got it exactly backwards.
Do you people look at tv ads and are baffled why, say, Pepsi is talking about its own product and not promoting health insurance or weather-resistant house siding? Of course not, its a pepsi ad for pepsi. In the exact same light, you're choosing to read an ad for an artist then wondering what the fuck the artist is advertising himself for. Kindly remove your head from your ass.
>>71138588
The DA artist comments explain everything:
>OKay... To answer such questions:
>
>YES, this will be Cat and Tanya's child (or children).
>YES, Cat R Waul is the biological father.
>YES, as a miricle, Cat impregnated Tayna.
>YES, involving sex duh (I'll leave it up to your imagination, or my brother, of what went on in the bedroom)
>As from the film Mr & Mrs Smith the scale is definitely a 10.
>
>YES, Tayna will have a safe birth.
>I also like the triplets idea...
>YES, the children will be generally mouse form and size (with a few cat features different on each child) One will have cat eyes!
>>71139007
Stage 3: full retard, complete with a self-insert
>>71139020
That still doesn't explain the logistics of the impregnation! Not that I WANT to know, but you can't just throw shit like that and be coy with the actual explanation
>>71137876
>talented
he'a not even close to being talented, he's just technically correct in some painting techniques, his anatomy is amateurish at best and his storytelling is just disgusting
>>71138957
It's hard to say if artists who manage to not get into terrible interactions with their fans are a minority or not, because those artists who refrain from spewing their every thought on twitter or Tumblr and instead stay in the shadows are boring to discuss, which is why they're forgotten and and everyone only notice the outspoken ones. There's a lot of comics that I read and enjoy but barely even remember the name of the author because they don't scream LOOK AT MEEE!!!! between every update.
Even with the really successful webcomics I could probably find just as many unremarkable artists as the ones who have gone batshit insane from their popularity, but they're hard to remember off hand because of their relative grey man approach to their success.
>>71139026
fucking neopet comics have better composition than this
http://www.neopets.com/winter/plot_hic.phtml
>>71136300
>took the mony and didn't even bother to run, because his idiot fans keep stuffing dollar bills up his ass
The best life.
>>71138732
Its all a bunch of nonsense.
>>71139016
Hey Aaron.
How's the biweekly update schedule coming along? Or are you gonna make a 15 grand stretch goal to make sure you turn your tablet on first?
>>71139026
Nigga, you should have used the one where Aaron Diaz's self insert takes off his shirt and is fit and handsome.
Also, I love that Kim changes in accordance with Diaz's changing waifus. He can't even keep her character consistent. She's just whatever his current ideal woman is.
>>71139061
Jizz on a q-tip and just shove it up there
>>71139026
What the fuck, that panel layout and composition. What the hell am I supposed to be focusing on?
>>71139078
Meanwhile I'm doing request on /co/ for free.
>>71136300
It's not just webcomic artists, the artist of Unbeatable Squirrel Girl is pretty far up her own ass as well.
Though that's pretty much a bad webcomic being actually printed by Marvel.
>>71138933
There there anon.
I started working on my art and drawing because of bleedman.
I can probably draw better than diaz at this point.
>>71138732
The first storyline is fairly simple, Robot from the future goes back in time and is followed by Futre Amish people who want to stop Kim from becoming Cyberdyne.
Dark Science is about Kim going to her father's Metropolitan, as in modeled after Metropolis, and then some stupid bullshit happens and Kim and Diaz go off to discover the secret of Dark Science, which is likened to Plato's allegory of the cave, alluded to in the most clumsy, paraphrasing of a wikipedia article ever.
Also, he had the gall to call the second book Purgatorio, because he deserves to do that.
>>71139108
>My art doesn't suck! It's sexism!
Getting real, real tired of hearing that.
>>71139016
In what universe has "Just reading my own stuff, and wow am I great" after critisizing other people ever been good self-promotion that doesn't make you look like a delusional egoshit? No-one is saying twitter shouldn't be used for self-promotion, we're saying that the image Diaz is painting of himself is about the worst kind he could possibly do.
You should be able to realize this unless you're literally Diaz.
>>71139007
The terminologies are just thrown together haphazardly, if you're not familiar with the concepts you might think this is smart writing but its the exact opposite.
PA's take on hollywood internet lingo is the exact equivalent of this comic's take on philosophy.
>>71139007
everyone of those philosophical concepts is wrong, the taoist joke is by far the worst
>>71138540
On one hand they have basically the same face to the point where it's uncanny. Ash has got a distinct look to her
On the other hand he can only draw two types of female faces so that may just be caused by his own limitations
>>71139067
He disn't say Diaz was talented, he said he likes to think of the whole Dresden Codak fiasco and Aaron Diaz as a fake experiment puppeteered by some mastermind artist to make the most ridiculously enraging comic-to-artist combination ever. Imagine, say, Tracy Butler, secret millionaire artist, actually being the person behind DCodak, doing it all for the lulz.
That would be funnier than the reality that this is a real person who gets paid 5 grand a month to draw one page of... that.
>>71139138
>Oh but anon, you just dislike it because she isn't fapbait.
Forgot to include the tweet of the writer of Unbeatable Squirrel Girl, but here's a link https://twitter.com/ryanqnorth/status/583956137625587712
>I like to imagine them throwing away Maus, outraged, all "THIS IS THE WORST FURRY COMIC I'VE EVER READ, IT'S BARELY EVEN EROTIC"
>>71139200
Is likening yourself to the greats the go to move for self absorbed assholes, or is does it take a special kind?
>>71139108
This honestly and with no hint of sarcasm, looks like pure shit.
My younger sister draws better than this and she follows an amateur drawing class in middle school for only a year. So this low quality nonsense actually gets printed by Marvel?
>>71139200
>is it my art that is flawed?
>no, it is the proles that are wrong!
Literally not an ounce of humility.
>>71139067
One art anon showed that Diaz's style is incredibly easy to emulate. You just need a few brushes and to work at enormous sizes.
It looks pretty, unless you know anything about anatomy, but it's not exactly that skillful.
>>71139075
Let's bring out this old chestnut, shall we?
>>71139016
Hi Aaron.
Just know that I would relish punching you in the face if I ever met you, and the resulting jail time would be well worth. I look good in orange.
>>71139242
Post the alternate.
>>71138482
Don't forget how he hugboxes on Twitter any time he's criticized or made to look bad.
>>71139108
Honestly that tweet is kind of right. A lot of the hate I see is from people desperately editing SG's face so it's cuter and more fappable, along with her waistline. Hell, that cover drawn by that one japanese artist keeps getting posted over and over because it's closer to the anime fap bait people want out of the book.
>>71139138
It's all the dumber because plenty of artists can make pretty characters, ugly characters and emotive characters, and/or ones that go between all three depending on the circumstances.
Oglaf in particular has a great range of faces and different features, without going full retard (unless it's for a joke)
>>71139242
Wow, that giant shot of Kim in her skivvies is so empowering.
Also, did you ever notice that kim is in various states of undress almost all the time?
I mean, I love fanservice, but when you claim it's for equity, it's retarded.
>>71139242
Holy shit, how did he think this was actually okay?
>>71139261
I haven't seen this cover. Could you post it?
>>71139261
>SG's face so it's cuter
It's not a matter of cuter, it's a matter of not legitimately retarded.
Also, if you'd have read the threads more closely, you'd see the various edits where her face is edited into one that's better drawn, but still plain.
oh, but ignore the comment that goes along with the post I linked; supposedly that is a load of bullshit and SG's current derp artist was /always/ the intended artist.
>>71139274
I remember reading some fantastic tumblr-post where a girl very politely tore him a new one, pointing out that while he could and should draw anything he wanted to, his female characters were constantly in states of undress, and even when clothed they were constantly being posed in ways where emphasis was based on their tits and asses. And that that's probably not a very good way for an artist who claims to be a feminist and attacks other artists for drawing sexy stuff ought to be behaving.
>>71139200
>Comparing his work to Maus
Ayyy whyy
>>71139007
The panel layout on this page is just fucking garbage.
The problem with Unbeatable Squirrel Girl is that it literally looks like a low quality webcomic. It's not even a matter of style, it's flat out subpar.
>>71139261
>Honestly that tweet is kind of right.
The fuck it is, it's just used as an excuse to deflect criticism of the art.
>Hell, that cover drawn by that one japanese artist keeps getting posted over and over because it's closer to the anime fap bait people want out of the book.
Again get bent. The variant cover is cute and far from "fap bait."
>>71139016
Did you run out of ketchup, Aaron?
>>71138579
>>takes so cunting long to write a chapter he needs to go through HIS OWN archive just to remember it
Come on Anon, he wasn't spending that time writing. He was obviously beating off to his previous work.
>>71138595
>There was a previous thread where some "anon" mysteriously lost his shit and carried on an autistic argument against the rumor being true.
Got a link?
>>71138732
Maybe if he didn't have such terribly incomprehensible panel layouts you wouldn't be so confused.
>>71139016
>Its nothing but an advertising tool for self-promotion.
Or comedy, or inane bullshit, or in the case of one I particularity like, sci-fi/fantasy stories. Shoehorning a communication medium into a narrow definition because that's what some people use ti for is asinine.
By your logic, webcomic sites and personal blogs exist as nothing but advertising tools.
Self-promotion isn't a fax-pas, but public auto-fellatio
is. Which is what that was.
>>71139094
I know, right? For all his talk about art dude can't layout a page worth a fuck.
>>71139305
This one? Well, it's part of it.
>>71139275
Aaron Diaz actually is apparently aware of what competent panel design is, but he thinks he's above it.
You know how they say, to learn the rules before you bend them? Well, Diaz thinks that means that you have to break them to be a master.
There are comic artists who can eschew classic panel design and do it well, but Diaz is not one of them, but he fails to understand this particular fault, as he does all his personal faults.
He's like a legitimate child. Nothing is his fault.
>>71139007
>>71139026
Follow Diaz's comics and you follow all the fetishes he gathered over the years and crammed into one character.
So far in Kimiko you have:
- Asian/half Asian
- short hair with white streak
- heterochromia
- amputation and cyborg limbs
- muscles
- scars/unnatural lines on skin
I wonder if she'll get a cyborg dick when Diaz discover futa.
>>71139317
>>71139261
That cover isn't fap bait at all. It's just cute, like Squirrel Girl is supposed to be. In >>71139108 she looks like a 15 year old boy with Downs.
>>71139108
I'm going to jack off to SG solely to prove her wrong. WHAT NOW?!?
>>71139349
>like Squirrel Girl is supposed to be
Squirrel girl used to look like a fucking troll.
Honestly she should really be plain. I'd love to see more variations in comic book characters. I feel like the art in the SG book COULD be that, but it's so rushed and sloppy for whatever reason. We even see that the artist is capable of something more polished from his personal work.
>>71139333
>Follow Diaz's comics and you follow all the fetishes he gathered over the years and crammed into one character
That's the thing I particularly hate about Diaz.
He's essentially a fanfiction writer, a bad one at that, but since he possesses a modicum of talent, it's excused.
Like you and >>71139087 said, Kim can't even be consistent with her characterization. She's just his waifu.
>>71139252
I swear to christ I had that thing properly filed somewhere.
Suffice to say, the only point of it was to show some anon had some really bizarre ideas of how panels should be organized, and considered the Dresden Codak page superior to the "confusing" Gunnerkrigg Court one.
>>71139363
Good luck.
>>71139374
>Honestly she should really be plain
I agree, but she doesn't need to look like a disabled person.
Someone made an edit where she has a person's face, but is still plain. Does anyone have it?
>>71139108
If she spent less time making passive-aggressive tweets and more time not making her mouths look like ass, then maybe I'd stop criticising her on the internet
>>71139374
>Squirrel girl used to look like a fucking troll.
But at least she didn't have fetal alcohol syndrome like she apparently does now.
That Downsie face makes me cringe.
Either the artist is INCAPABLE of drawing attractive people or actively decides not to.
>>71139402
I wonder what Ryan North would do if I sent him a picture of one of the SG books hot glued?
>>71139007
It's like he read a one sentence bulb of those ideas and then decide tto make a comic out of just them. Wha the fuck
>>71139374
>Squirrel girl used to look like a fucking troll.
Yes, and no one liked that.
She still looks plain in the variant cover. It's possible for a character with a plain character design to still be cute. Look at how many people get hard over Velma.
Even if you took it into full moeblob territory I'd prefer it over her looking literally retarded.
>>71139412
>no buck teeth
>no freckles
>generic copy/paste hourglass figure
Into the trash it goes
>>71139412
>Either the artist is INCAPABLE of drawing attractive people or actively decides not to.
Ding! ding! ding! You are correct the first time! All of her art looks that unsightly.
>>71139435
>Superwoman I...
>>71138531
There's a Dean Koontz book that I like, called 'Hideaway'. In this book there's a character, and he's an author of several novels. And the fact that he reads his entire body of work at least once per year and finds that the quality improves each time he reads them is supposed to indicate that he's a total asshole.
>>71139435
Why is everyone a mongoloid?
>>71139435
As an artist those legs annoy the shit out of me. It's like just barely a step up from tube legs.
>>71139252
>>71139400
Oh look, here it is. Not 3 minutes after giving up on the last look. Always fucking happens, I swear.
>>71139456
Literally retarded is the only way to describe the person who made that.
>>71139412
Generally draws unappealing mouths, and doesn't really seem to have an idea of how the face moves and contracts.
It feels a lot like the artist tries to break rules they don't understand in the first place.
>>71139413
He'd probably lose his shit.
>>71139317
I swear to christ, we've reached the point that retards call any art that isn't hideous, even if it lacks anything approaching sexualized imagery, "fap bait".
Squirrel Girl is fully covered in the image and you can barely see her body at all, her hips are obscured by cake and squirrels, her chest is jacket-covered and obscured by her arm, her face is kinda dorky-looking and she has the grandest of buck teeth. The only thing you could even remotely call "fap bait" is that she does look female and isn't a land whale. And thats the new barrier of entry for artwork being rejected as nothing but bottled sexism.
I bet dumbasses look at that image and call it "healthism" for showing nuts, fruits, and vegetables - its obviously fat-shaming in action.
>>71139456
jesus what
>>71139456
Top kek. That anon had to be trolling.
>>71139456
did Tom eat his comic yet, or do we have to wait until he finishes the entire story?
>>71139262
I fucking love oglaf. It's consistent, funny and it gives me a stiffy. Plus the creators have a better sense of self awareness than 90% of artists out there.
>>71139447
>There's a Dean Koontz book that I like
Well, I don't know that you're entitled to any high ground here.
>>71139452
Did someone say tube legs?
>>71139456
The GC one almost could be plausible if the line didn't cross through the middle of a series of speech bubbles
>>71139492
Granted, he's not Shakespeare, but he makes for a very cozy reading experience.
>>71139498
I'm just gonna say it now and accept the hell that will reign down on me for it, but there goes -
tumblr has ruined an entire generation of artists.
>>71139477
Nuh-uh, we can see her sexy, sexy collarbones. And presumably she has sexy legs too, only we sadly can't see them because the bench and cake cover them up. TOTAL fap-bait. Anyone who hates Unbeatable Squirrel girl is a misogynist who despises any woman he can't fap to. There is no valid reason to criticize it.
>>71139456
Did the artist himself do that?
>>71139498
Why is her torso so long, Jesus? And everything to do with the pelvis and legs, just...ugh.
>>71139468
>>71139485
>>71139487
>>71139503
Upon looking at it while I was digging it up, I realized the other person was following the spacial layouts of the page, rather than the bubbles. You can see it based on the unbroken like they take with GC page, clearly confused by the lack of distinct paneling, but the clearly delineated and broken lines they take on DC. It's still sort of wrong even on that account, because you're supposed to follow Antimony's hair in the traditional, english reading fashion being your guide.
Still kind of insane. When this happens is usually when you take a step back and sanity check your thinking.
>>71139512
I like how the line apparently thinks any sort of circle on the page is a word bubble and follows them despite them not having words in them
>>71139519
it's LITERALLY cheesecake
>>71139498
>that face
Looks like fucking Damien.
>>71139526
I think that you quoted the wrong post.
I saw that someone had replied to me and got excited.
You let me down, Anon.
>>71139522
No, the original red lines appear to be from the Bad Webcomics Wiki. The yellow lines are from some nameless anon in an older Diaz thread who took issue with the original not actually properly showing how one would "naturally" read these pages. And thus they decided to show us all how your eye would naturally read the page.
>>71139498
This could be a cute design for a SG cartoon, I don't see what the fuss is.
Do you guys get this triggered whenever Marvel and DC comics stray one iota from the "house style"?
>>71139548
>I don't see what the fuss is.
It's very poorly drawn.
>Do you guys get this triggered whenever Marvel and DC comics stray one iota from the "house style"?
I don't even read capeshit.
>>71139540
just know that I did indeed read your reply, and was so enticed by it that I clicked it rather than the one I intended.
>>71139548
She looks fucking terrible. It's not a matter of her looking plain or not-cute. She seriously looks like a retarded dude. Her head is far bigger than the rest of her body. It's disproportionate. She's got disproportionately huge tube legs and her entire lower half in general is off scale from her upper half. Look at her pencil thin wrists and forearms compared to her gigantic ass and legs and head.
Shit is just bad.
>>71139560
>I don't even read capeshit.
>/co/ shitting on comics it doesn't even read
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>71139415
It's sort of like a Big Bang Theory style of writing.
It lets people who don't have actual knowledge on the subjects think they are experiencing them, which in turn makes them feel smart or part of the culture or however the fuck you wanna call it.
>>71139525
To be honest I do almost agree with him on the GC one. The blue-white lines with the red circles inside sorta distract my eye and I find myself having to force myself to focus and read it properly instead of just letting my gaze wander where it naturally heads.
His Codak one is a load of shit though; it's such a clusterfuck.
>>71139574
Notice how he isn't shitting on the storylines, you idiot. You don't need to read the comic to see that it looks like total ass.
>>71139516
Web artists. Actual artists probably don't go on tumbler
>>71139574
I wasn't talking about the comic, you mong. I was talking specifically about the art, posted here, in this thread.
I don't give a toss about the comic itself.
![clip-art-bugs-bunny-397350[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xQsOmSK.jpg "clip-art-bugs-bunny-397350[1].jpg")
>>71139568
I know right? And this rabbit doesn't even look like a real rabbit at all! What a fucking shitty artist. How do these guys keep getting work??
>>71139600
That's stylistically coherent, you moron. Whereas USG looks like a disproportionate mongoloid.
![image[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/k7MHy2q.jpg "image[1].jpg")
>>71139600
You're right, it's a fucking miracle we haven't just made everything stick figures. They're a lot faster to draw and animate to boot.
>>71139575
>To be honest I do almost agree with him on the GC one
I agree, it's not great, but it does have some organization to it.
>>71139498
The little doodle in the corner is much better.
>>71139548
The body isn't too bad, if very stylized. The problem is in the face - it's very awkwardly proportioned, and would work much better for a character like Toad from X-men or something rather than on the main character, she just looks too stupid and lumpy to draw much appeal.
This is a very quick and crap edit, but giving her slightly larger pupils and just moving her features down her face a little already does wonders, imo.
>>71139374
Actually, the original "plain" design wasallegedlymostly due to Ditko half-assing all his work-for-hire in the 80's, because he felt that him working on anything that wasn't Mr. A was beneath him.
>>71139498
Her calves are bigger than her thighs. Hell, I think they're bigger than her torso
>>71139548
>>71139600
Erica, stop sockpuppeting on 4chan and work on your mouths
>>71139620
>my opinion is fact!
Okay there champ
>>71139007
>I'm half Asian, this allows me to badly misunderstand an idea without being calling a racist!
Are all web comic authors cowards or just this one in particular?
>>71139600
>actually defending Squirrel Girl
Come on m8
>>71139640
That's not how cheekbones work.
Giving her a large forehead and uguu eyes like your japanese animus isn't "working wonders" you fucking weeb.
>>71139623
>it's a fucking miracle we haven't just made everything stick figures
AT is damned close.
>>71139640
Even just the pupils are an improvement. Tiny little dot eyes in a sea of white is the animated convention for a crazy person.
>>71139516
>entire generation
Nah anon, think of it instead as being a sort of natural selection for artists. Like the anime-copying Deviantart kiddies back in the day
>>71137616
This is /co/, Not /cwc/.
Vote YES,
For /cwc/ board.
>>71139640
Good job on fixing her hundred-yard stare
>>71139644
>following basic anatomy & proportions is SOOOOOOOOO subjective!
>>71139645
My line of thinking is this - assume ALL webcomic artists are assholes unless shown otherwise.
Even if you do find some that aren't, you'll see them to be the exceptions to the rule.
>>71139668
>Like the anime-copying Deviantart kiddies back in the day
You realize that they're the same people, right?
>>71139652
I understand now.
The artist has no fucking clue how the features fit on a face.
To them a face is just a white void that features are randomly placed in.
It's like Escher got drunk and decided to do portraits.
>>71139662
>Large forehead
Her eyes are now located roughly in the middle of her face (which is where they belong on living people), not eighty-percent up it.
>Uguu eyes
I enlarged the pupils a bit and made them look in the same direction instead of being creepy, blank and wall-eyed. Clearly the standards for what constitutes anime have slipped.
>>71139662
>Large forehead and big eyes are copyright of anime
Anon plz
Tumblr "style" is copying Western stuff like Disney/Pixar anyway, it's Deviantart that stores the anime wannabes
>>71139568
It's hilarious how /co/ struggles over the idea of a cartoon character.
>>71139689
Exactly my point
>>71139700
>Tumblr "style" is copying Western stuff like Disney/Pixar anyway
Actually, the Tumblr style does borrow from 90s anime.
Also, 90s anime should be read as Sailor Moon.
![elastigirl_2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rAhrzfq.jpg "elastigirl_2[1].jpg")
>>71139642
>>71139671
Messing with normal human proportions? That's a sign of a shit artist. I mean look at this garbage, her ankles are stick thin and her thighs are grotesquely large. Not to mention her giant bobble head. Nobody has a head that big! Can you believe this was actually released in theaters?
>>71139706
>pointing out shit art
>"struggling"
Wow. Life has changed.
>>71139706
It's hilarious to see you struggle with the concept that cartoons characters aren't just random shapes amalgamated together.
>>71139242
I can only hear off-key brass instruments honking as I look at that dresden shitdak page
Not Ashley Cope.
>>71139715
You're trying to hard. Cut it out.
>>71139706
>>71139715
>it's a cartoon, which means I don't have to follow basic anatomy!
I'm serious, Erica, work on your damn mouths already.
>>71139712
The noses, lips and cheekbones you get in the faces do come across as desperate Disney-esque stuff. Or at least copying Phobs
Look at those various "anime redraws" to see what I mean.
>>71139731
Too, too.
>People in this thread are defending this
>THIS
>>71139645
There are many reasons /co/ doesn't tire of Diaz-bashing. That is one of them.
>>71139680
>My line of thinking is this - assume ALL webcomic artists are assholes unless shown otherwise
>Even if you do find some that aren't, you'll see them to be the exceptions to the rule.
I quoted this with the intention of arguing against you but after trying to come up with an argument I concede. You're right
>>71139731
Why should he? People gonna take the bait anyway. He trolls the same way Diaz works. Feed them shit and they come back for seconds, no need for quality.
There's a clear difference when an artist exaggerates proportions intentionally and when they do it because they don't know what correct anatomy looks like.
>>71139652
For some reason, that reminds me of this.
The way the features are just sort of swimming aimlessly around on a face with no real structure.
>>71139735
>it's a cartoon, which means I don't have to follow basic anatomy!
No, it means not everything needs to follow LOOMIS 100% if it doesn't want to. Sure there's shit art done by people who have no idea what they're doing, but making fun of a piece because it "doesn't follow basic anatomy" is fucking retarded. More than half the shit you probably like doesn't follow basic anatomy. Hell, most comics use exaggerated "heroic" anatomy that looks nothing like the real thing with characters that are 8 heads tall instead of the real world average.
tl;dr stop pretending you know shit about art because you clearly don't
>>71139138
I see her drawing wrists, hands and feet.
She's already better than some of the established artists who made millions.
>>71139720
>>71139727
>>71139751
Looks like wacky cartoon character to me
>>71139766
I've been wanting to storytime the first three issues of Unbeatable Squirrel Girl and getting this boards drawfags and writefags involved to critique the thing.
>>71139794
It's not like my spandex Greg Land X-men so it's bad and I don't like it waaaaaah
>>71139108
Oh wow, there goes all my sympathy for her.
>>71139261
Yeah like that edit of Ramos' Wolverine was to make him easier to fap to.
>>71139792
>I see her drawing wrists, hands and feet.
She's just as bad as Liefeld in the feet department and she tends to give hands six fingers. See >>71139108
>>71139141
>reading my old stuff
>wow I am great
>this is something not said by any artist ever
Diaz probably has transcended his humanity a while ago. Sadly, his ascendency to a digital intelligence stopped at spambot-level because our technology doesn't support higher forms of AI as of yet.
>>71139813
>Not the gif edit where his head is spinning around like a pinwheel
You fucked up
>>71139317
This cover confirms that the design of the character is fine, it's just the unappealing art style used in the comics that's the problem
>>71139743
I'm not saying you're wrong, but Sailor Moon is in there too.
Cal Arts and the Disney Princesses are the big one though. You are correct.
The thing about the "Tumblr" style is that it is hugely varied within its samey looking style.
It's like anime, you can tell an anime's an anime despite the fact that they don't all look the exact same. Same goes for Tumblr, that while it is all derived from the same general sources, the artists manage to adapt them into different combinations while still looking homogenous.
>>71139456
Diaz's panel orientation is apparently a feat of skill on his part. A skill which he doesn't possess at the level he thinks.
A similar thing can be seen in the Latin Poets, who were skilled enough to pull of such feats; they'd use the nature of Latin to make convoluted page long sentences which weren't clear until the last word.
>>71139821
So what you're saying is that she's going to make millions and become a household name among capeshit readers?
>>71139794
>>71139804
>>71139821
Those hands have five fingers anon
>>71139794
>>71139804
That's because you lack a critical eye.
>>71139832
here you go
>>71139842
Let's hope not.
>>71139821
To be fair that's not a sixth finger, that's just a badly drawn curled up pinky.
>>71139862
god's work
>>71139600
Gimme a sec. Ok.
Bugs Bunny is a well executed stylized design. Even though his proportions aren't "ideal" or anything, he remains appealing and nothing jumps out as being overtly wrong. Even though he has tube legs, they have clear joints without the need to breaks style by resorting to obvious knees. From this model sheet, it's really easy to tell that the artist had a clear understanding of posing, gesture, and even anatomy.
Moen doesn't. Her anatomy varies wildly from sketch to sketch, and facial features seem to slide around. Consistency of the mark of actual skill, and it can be found all over Bugs' model sheet - the consistency is rock solid. Moen's isn't. Giruhiru's cover isn't more appealing because it's cuter - it's more appealing because it's more technically sound. Despite having much less contrast when you compare the two - >>71139317
>>71139473
Giruhiru's is a better composition that's more dynamic overall. Moen relies on contrast because her composition is weak. She honestly seems like an artist who only got so far with fundamentals, to a "good enough" place. But as >>71139652 shows she is really very lacking.
>>71139851
Count again.
>>71139865
This one's not so bad. Why can't the whole book look like this?
>>71139843
>Howard the Duck
Jesus christ the redesign sucks, he's not cute or sexy at all anymore, has the artist ever even looked at a human being
>>71139874
That's a curled up pinky.
>>71139800
>wanting /co/ to critique a comic when they don't even know how fingers work
top jej
>>71139889
>them teeny tiny feet
It actually isn't too bad, it's just mediocre
>>71139913
You really believe that's how a finger works?
>>71139909
Wow you just hate it because you can't fap to it anymore! #notallducks
>>71139788
>pointing out bad anatomy is "making fun"
Nice strawman; now stop making excuses for bad art.
>>71139349
>>71139374
This. Squirrle girl used to have clown makeup and an overbite large enough for her to be adopted into the House of Habsburg.
>>71139930
>Not understanding what stylization is
Are you being dense on purpose? Or are you some kind of retard tripfag with shit opinions I should be ignoring?
>>71139016
Millions in marketing research is done to make TV commercials appealing somehow but still convey an advertisement. We're just asking for some mild humor.
>>71139928
Look at the art. Do you really think the artist knows how faces work, much less fingers?
It's a pinky. A really shittily drawn pinky. That's what you should take away from this. This artist is shit no matter what happened to that hand.
>>71139928
Yes anon I do believe fingers bend. You can test this theory out yourself.
>>71139909
Funny that you should choose that to strawman at, because the artist of that picture obviously has.
>>71139949
Stylization requires effort and practise too, dingus. And the pic has a pretty fucking ugly one.
>>71139949
There's stylization and then there's Erica Henderon's work on Unbeatable Squirrel Girl.
>>71139788
this post makes me think you don't actually know what LOOMIS is
>>71139996
That fucking alt text at the bottom makes me want to drop a baby out a window.
>>71139989
>>71139996
Right, you can shit on the stylization if you want, but at least be smart enough to not say it's bad because of "bad anatomy".
>>71139937
there was a reason why she was a joke and part of a joke team like Great Lakes Avengers. She looked like shit and her powers were shit. Trying to make her mainstream has done nothing but kill her as a character
>>71139996
It's quite amazing that she can run with her pelvis twisted like that, much less that she can put her chest and pelvis at a ninety degree angle.
>>71136300
>>71139645
Americans made their bed, now they gotta sleep in it, where's the problem? Folks like that retard are simply quoting norms about racial identity.
>>71140020
but it'sfun
>>71140020
I didn't even see that. Ugh, alt text in a print comic? I'd call it a joke but it's more cringe-until-your-spine-snaps-and-you-embrace-sweet-death than anything near funny.
>>71138482
Depressed artists are common victims of the SJW cult.
>>71140029
But it's not stylized. It's just a mishmash of poorly grasped anatomical notions. This >>71139873 is stylized, squirrel girl is a poor attempt at stylizing something the artist has nearly no grasp on.
Jesus, Anon, you are one step up from screaming It's my style on DA.
>>71140051
Yeah, It's kind of sad that /co/ has to criticise bad anatomy and the cartoonish style when the actual writing is the problem. But it's not like /co/ actually gets funnybooks.
>>71140066
It's clearly stylized. That's the definition of the word. Whether or not it's done badly is a different story.
Personally I think her choice of shapes is fine in that one image here >>71139640, but she just lacks the technical skill to pull it off. Not to mention her consistency is super bad, so even if she did draw it nicely it would change panel to panel.
>>71136300Is this a tumblr thing or just a U.S thing?
>>71140064
KC Green was never depressed, just starved for attention because nobody cared about his awful comic anymore.
>>71138482
>Anime Club was so good, I even bought the book
KC Green got away with ripping off The Eltingville Club
>>71140116
It was much more concise and funnier though. They're both good, but Anime Club was way better.
>>71140103
What?
>>71140103
It's an "entertainment industry" thing at the moment.
>>71140103
Both
>>71140102
"Stylized" would seem to imply that the basic anatomy was applied, and then exaggerated and deformed. When it's just drawn deformed, that's all it is.
>>71136623
The NoJokenberg? Yeah, that along with persecution complex.
That Star Trek strip was so awful it killed Nimoy.
>>71139108
I think she's badly misreading the cues here. Anon will fap to ANYTHING, and a bunch of fuckers here actually have SG at waiful level. Mostly from the GLA appearances.
The fact that anon has to make such a heroic effort to fap to this shit should be a HUGE red flag.
>>71137553
>pretty sure he was joking about that
Self-awareness in David WIllis' mind is limited to "I realize toys I collect are actually made for children".
