>Greg loves Rose and Rose loves Greg
>somehow Greg gets Rose pregnant
>Rose knows that if she gives birth to the baby she'll die
>she loves Greg and the baby so much she's willing to die for them
>she gives birth and dies
>Crystal Gems hate Greg and blame him for Rose's death
Could someone please explain this to me? What the fuck did Greg do wrong?
>>70704410
>Could someone please explain this to me? What the fuck did Greg do wrong?
>somehow Greg gets Rose pregnant
There you go.
Anyway, the general thread is still up.
>>70704410
>>Crystal Gems hate Greg and blame him for Rose's death
>Could someone please explain this to me? What the fuck did Greg do wrong?
The Gems aren't justified in thinking that, but they miss Rose and they think it's kind of his fault
He didn't actually do anything wrong
>>70704410
I don't watch the show but blame can often be irrational.
Its not his fault but technically he was a participant in her dying so they would blame him for it.
I thought I was looking at Wedding Cake toppers for a second.
If it wasn't for him she wouldn't have gotten pregnant and died
It's like an extreme variant of your friend not being able to hang out as much because of his new girlfriend.
>>70704458
>somehow Greg gets Rose pregnant
And? It's not like he drugged her they clearly both consented.
>>70704410
>somehow Greg gets Rose pregnant
>somehow
they had sex, that's how.
in fact I'm surprised that sex could be implied so heavily in a show for children.
>>70704410
How did they... do the do?
Do the gems even have parts for breeding?
>>70704547
Jesus Christ man, this is the perfect example.
>>70704410
>What the fuck did Greg do wrong?
Nothing, really. It's grief manifesting as anger.
>>70704583
Gems can Shapeshift, I guess she just gave herself reproductive organs?
>>70704566
It's not about the pregnancy, it's about the result of the pregnancy.
She, technically, no longer exists. It's as if someone got your best friend, or hell even more than your best friend, pregnant, and then she died in the pregnancy. You start to blame the one who got her pregnant for her disappearance, and the child that came out of the pregnancy.
>>70704583
Rose shape-shifted herself a womb, that's canon.
>>70704576
The creator of the show said the gems don't reproduce as we do.
>>70704583
Their bodies are constructs capable of shape shifting. Not hard to make a vagina. The pregnancy is still a mystery
>>70704649
Why don't they blame her then? She's knew what would happen.
>>70704583
One of the producers of the show said that Rose shapeshifted the necessary bits on his Twitter
>>70704673
They might? But she's gone, Greg is still there to blame
>>70704649
so she decided to have a child knowing it would kill her? Like she didn't just knocked up, she committed some fucked up kinda suicide by baby?
>>70704673
The Crystal Gems love Rose to much to blame her for anything.
>>70704666
I wonder how many awkward nights passed until she got it right? You think the first time Greg looked down there and it's basically a billiard pocket of a divot?
>>70704659
No, they have to essentially be injected into rocks, ala Kindergarten.. Steven is half human, which means the human DNA was passed on. Which means they had to have had sex. She wouldn't have just accidentally gotten pregnant any other way.
>>70704410
Rose isn't alive to be angry at. People like to shift their anger onto tangible targets over intangible ones
>>70704742
they hate Greg but know that it's irrational so they try to go easy on him
they blame him for getting her pregnant and killing her but know it was her choice. Part of the reason the gems love Steven is because he is Rose and they know Steven needs his father so that helps them tolerate him.
it's like when your mad at someone and you know it's not their fault but you cant help but be mad, they try to be nice to him but the resentment runs deep.
>>70704659
They don't.
But gems are shapeshifters.
Ian JQ said that Rose shape-shifted herself a functioning uterus, and passed her gem and essence on to Steven.
Steven's gem being where is his belly button would be is no doubt intentional.
>>70704576
>in fact I'm surprised that sex could be implied so heavily in a show for children.
How are they even implying it? By the fact that the girl is pregnant? Just having a pregnant girl be pregnant is probably the tamest, most G-rated possible way of implying she had sex.
>>70704458
>Anyway, the general thread is still up.
they don't talk about the show, though.
>>70704583
Ian JQ confirmed that she shapeshifted a womb, so the natural implication is that she shapeshifted all the parts that lead up to it.
>>70704828
in Goof Troop Goofy has a wife and a son
welp
>>70704850
they do if you do
>>70704673
I dunno, man. The pregnancy is said by Sugar to be unique to Rose. Rose and the gems might not have expected the rose and Steven not existing at the same time until much later
Also Steven thinks the Gems also blame himself. It's a mess and it's irrational but it's because they're still hurting
>>70704583
Gems don't reproduce sexually.
From what we know, they're mass produced using rock formations.
>>70704854
Yeah, because in modern TV animated shows there haven't EVER been married couple with kids, because that would imply they had sex before.
>>70704673
See: >>70704472
>>70704878
they really don't though, everything that isn't fetish talk or gem OCs gets skipped over
>>70704410
>>70704566
Rose was a very important person for the Gems, specially for the likes of Amethyst and Pearl. She risked everything for them and they stood loyal to her side for centuries.
But they don't /get/ humans, and in the likes of Pearl, do nothave any interest on them beyond protecting them because "Rose wanted to save them and they can't do it on their own".
Then this human starts to distance Rose for them, the one person they all felt really close with, and then Rose disappears because she and this human had a baby.
They don't really hate Greg, but rather his prescense reminds them that Rose is gone and that makes them troubled.
it's not suppose to be a rational disgust or that you have to be on the Gem's side. But that's what's make it feel more realistic, because in lfie soemtimes things you feel are not evry rational and are somewhat greedy or bias.
This is feminist bullshit, which is a shame since i the art reminds me of Tartakovsky.
I like to think that Rose sacrificed herself making baby because she tought that an half-human half-gem being is capable of things that the other 2 races can't do.A new and for something superior,form of being
>>70704987
Kill yourself then. Or leave the thread.
>>70704828
but it still implies they had sex.
if a kid asks how she got pregnant how do you tell them?
the same goes for having little children, it shows they had sex.
>>70704410
and you know what the shittiest thing is?
Greg probably didn't know she was gonna die.
did someone say preggo
>>70705186
from how they all react, I get the feeling she didn't tell anyone that she knew it would kill her.
>>70705131
You can't just shelter children from pregnant people though. At some point they are going to see a pregnant woman in the real world and ask the same questions.
>>70704951
It's almost as if /co/ is full of autists who don't understand human character flaws and basic human emotion.
>>70705238
suicide by baby, man.
>>70705131
How many kids ask how people get pregnant?
My chances were ruined because by the time I was curious about the subject I already knew of sex.
>>70705223
But Rose was way bigger than that when she was preggers with Steven. You see it in Lion 3.
>2/10 fanart
>>70705238
Kind of a dick move.
Like I can understand why someone would hide that fact, it is a plausible thing to happen, but still dick move.
>>70705131
>if a kid asks how she got pregnant how do you tell them?
What are you fucking serious? You tell them whatever you want. Pregnancy isn't a taboo topic. You just have to explain that it's something you can only do as an adult.
It's like one of the most natural things a human can do. Up there with shitting and pissing.
>>70705262
This should be obvious enough when you consider that to /co/ any character is either "10/10 perfect waifu/husbando why can't they be real"
or
"insufferable bitch how could anyone like her she needs to be put down with a bullet to the head"
>>70705238
>>70705277
I imagine Garnet knew to some degree, because future vision, but she was also the second in command and the fact that she's far more supportive of Steven and Greg than the others.
Can't wait for them to explore Garnet's/Ruby's/Sapphire's relationship with Rose.
>>70704728
This, to an extent. Crystal Gems always saw Rose with what could be described as literal worship. They all looked up to her and turned to her as a friend and colleague in their time of need. I guess it went to the point where they thought her to be flawless.
>>70705340
I've been kind of worried about Pearl since it seems to now be implied that she ONLY cares about Rose and only accepts Earth/Steven because those are the things that Rose would want her to care about.
She is a fucking time bomb waiting to go off and I love it.
>>70704576
>>70705381
She is rational enough to know that it was Rose's decision and that it would insult Rose's memory to be angry at Steven or Greg. She knows protecting humanity was Rose's sole purpose on Earth.
It's just that sometimes she forgets herself from the pain of losing Rose.
>>70705381
it's plausible. I could totally see Pearl as someone who follows Rose regardless of her ideals. Pearl is very obsessive and her personality is generally very obedient to authority and eager to please authority figures.
>>70705340
It actually makes sense. Garnet could've foreseen what will happen, knew that Greg can't be blamed for it, and that's why she's most supportive towards Steven. Compared to Pearl who, while being very protective and sometimes overbearing towards Steven, seems to hold some level of resentment towards him and holds him responsible for Rose's disappearance.
Was it ever mentioned how Amethyst feels about Steven regarding "Rose is gone so that Steven may live" thing? I know she was close friends with Greg before Rose vanished.
>>70705436
I still feel like prioritizing "this is what a dead person would want me to feel" over your own actual feelings and beliefs is an incredibly unstable mental state and it's all just a house of cards that has to collapse at some point. But we'll see, it is an idealistic kids show after all.
>>70705490
>Was it ever mentioned how Amethyst feels about Steven regarding "Rose is gone so that Steven may live" thing?
I think Maximum Capacity covered that. She definitely resents Greg to some degree. So far it doesn't seem like she's blamed Steven though. She seems really upset that Steven saw her yelling at Greg about Rose.
>>70705490
I don't think Amethyst's feelings have been brought up, but she seems to love Steven about as much as everyone else.
Since she;s one of the 'younger' gems I like to think she has a soft spot for Steven since he's a young gem too.
>>70705540
>She definitely resents Greg to some degree
You mean she RESENTED him, until Steven lashed out at her for tormenting Greg. We don't know what happened off-screen with her and other gems, but the part where they clean up the garage and she hands those things to Greg implies they most likely rekindled their friendship.
>>70705490
I can't imagine TOO good. On one hand she was probably less devoted to Rose than the others, but on the other hand I imagine Rose was someone she could confide in since her birth from Kindergarten likely would have made her an outcast from the rest of the rebel gems
>>70705262
>>70705315
seriously the amount of people on /co/ who will throw a fit if a character in a non-antagonist role can't be essentially summed up as a "good person" never ceases to amaze me
like holy shit how does someone get that bad at consuming fiction
>>70705381
She's a bit too overbearing and mom like for it to just be in rose's memory
>>70705490
>
Steven and Amethyst very very much written as being bother and sister.
Amethyst looked up to Rose in a manner as if Rose was her mother.
Both Amethyst and Steven are earth natives, unlike the other gems.
But their interactions are also very sibling like, where they rough house, joke around and typically enable each other.
But it's hard to tell how Amy feels about Steven himself, because she's like the most underdeveloped character in the main cast.
>>70705616
All of 4chan is very bad at that. Do not bring up Big Boss's moral alignment on /v/ unless you want the most black-and-white argument you've seen since they scheduled the Salt Convention next to the Pepper Fan Meetup
>>70705616
They get wrapped up in their notions of what makes a 'good' character and when that notion is challenged by a complex character they throw a fit. It's sad.
>>70705616
I just don't understand how in many anon's minds, someone having an unpleasant personality trait translates to them being unenjoyable to see on screen. Fucked up people are THE MOST fun to watch.
>People making Steven getting girls pregnant threads
>not noticing he is half human
>not noticing he's a guy and guys don't get pregnant
Wat
>>70704649
yeah i've read lots of stories like that before, but usually it's steven they'd be mad at.
>>70705628
She still seemed to hold some deep-seated resentment towards Steven if "Rose's Scabbard" episode is anything to go by.
>>70704712
Thing is, though, she technically isn't dead. She lives on in Steven's heart, quite literally.
>>70705675
>Steven gets girls pregnant
>he is a guy
>this is impossible
Uh??
>>70704712
Rose really isn't dead. She's the gem part of Steven
>>70704410
Don't be stupid, emotions are not logical.
If a persons dies as a result of another persons's actions, even if not on propose, or not even because of a mistake the person made, then the persons that get affected by the lose start resenting the culprit.. it's super normal
Think about it this way;
A train lost control and derails, but the driver is able to get it back on track, saving a lot of cars that would had been hit otherwise, killing the people on the train, the drivers of the cars, and whoever was near there, yet some kid ran away when he saw the train lost control, and he ended up in the rail when the trains get back on track. Had the train not returned to the rail the kid would be alive.
Was it the Kid's fault? Was it the drivers fault?
Neither, it was most likely an old broken rail, the driver is a hero if anything, and the kid just reacted as fast as he could... but the parents of that kid won't think "sure is good all that people were saved in exchange for only my son's life"
Logically speaking 1 life should be worth less than several.
Logically speaking the Driver saved a lot of people
Yet the family won't think of the driver as a hero at all, would they?
Remember this is an example to express human reactions are not derived from logical thinking, lets not go over the details of the example and rather just use the logic of this thought experiment on the matter at hand.
>>70705746
She's effectively dead in that she can never again manifest or interact with others as her own person ever again.
>>70705746
Or part of Lion.
>>70705784
lion isn't a gem
>>70705778
we don't know that.
>>70705730
Steven himself can't become pregnant, he's a guy
>>70704410
it's almost like the characters are irrational and flawed or something, like real people
>>70705784
Lion is her familiar. The unfamiliar familiar series is foreshadowing.
>>70705835
Did...you even read my post? Person I was replying to seemed to be saying that Steven couldn't GET girls pregnant because he was a dude. That is just untrue.
>>70705869
Clever. Might be a fact.
>>70705746
I wonder if she'll come back in one way or another, much later in the show. I can see her returning temporarily, just enough to have some kind of super sentimental scene with Steven before returning to nonexistence.
>>70705888
The person who wrote >>70705675 said Steven can't get pregnant because he's a guy, re-read it.
>>70705908
maybe as the full extent of Steven's powers and his gem develop.
The exact nature of Steven's human body and gem body's symbiosis is unknown.
>>70704942
The only solution is to show up just after a new episode.
Or make these small side threads - I'm sure people will forgive you. Generals tend to develop their own shitty in-jokes and subculture until they eventually get banned. Nobody actually likes them unless they're producing porn.
>>70705935
I saw. It just doesn't match up with his first quote "People making Steven getting girls pregnant threads" which seems to imply Steven is doing the impregnating. So I guess I just don't see how those two things are related.
>>70705970
I miss regular talkbacks, I really do.
>>70705778
If you take that creepy thing Rose said in the tape beyond face value, about wanting to enjoy being human through Steven, one can take it that Steven IS Rose. He's Rose's sick, sick, human-morph fantasy.
>>70704854
Goofy's a single father in Goof Troop.
![[Commie] Nisemonogatari - 02 [0BD2EE1E].mkv_snapshot_21.32_[2012.01.25_21.38.08].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PXlgfty.jpg "[Commie] Nisemonogatari - 02 [0BD2EE1E].mkv_snapshot_21.32_[2012.01.25_21.38.08].jpg")
>>70704820
>>70704820
guys guys, I mean I havent read the rest of the thread, so I don't know if someones pointed this out
basically it all makes sense.
that's why they keep saying "gave up her physical form" instead of just "giving birth"
and it would all make sense within a kids show too
>Rose loves greg
>greg loves rose
>Rose loves greg so much, that greg had
her understand the concept of love
>rose then agrees to give up her physical form so that she may have a child (like a real human being)
>thus the gems blame greg for making her give up her physical form to make steven.
IT ALL MAKES SENSE
>>70706104
well yeah. in the most recent episode steven pretty much says just that.
>".... because they think I'm my mom. And maybe I kinda am?"
>>70704748
maybe she had a peak and absorbed the DNA by holding hands. Then had a child.
>>70704410
>What the fuck did Greg do wrong?
He was a straight white male who RAPED a pure maiden and OPPRESSED her until death. Fucking misogynistic pig, I hope he gets written off of the series for being a useless piece of shit.
>>70705799
>we don't know that
oh i'm sure they could have rose manifest herself again if they wanted to, but i don't think it would be a very sound decision narrative-wise
it would cheapen a lot of the drama
>>70706025
Oh come on, like you wouldn't totally make a humansona if you could.
Jokes aside, Rose is kind of extreme. She seems obsessed with opposing the gem homeworld's imperialism to the point of glorifying everything else. Giving up her old form just to partake in a human ritual seems to be intended as the ultimate "fuck you" to the parasitic combine bullshit the gem authority is pulling with kindergartens.
>>70704673
Because the gems are pretty fucking shallow when you think about it, and also because Rose left a huge legacy behind her and feel lost without her guidance.
>>70705908
She'll probably do that thing they do in Pheonix Wright where she channels her physical presence through Steven or whatever.
This is actually one of my bigger pet peeves in media:
>Alien species claims to be more mentally/emotionally advanced than humans.
>They have the exact same irrational emotional responses and emotional vulnerability as humans do.
I mean I get wanting to feel superior but how can you live amongst a species for 6000+ years and still be so blissfully unaware of how similar you are.
>>70706245
Or like in Avatar when Aang temporarily transforms into one of his past lives
>>70704461
Not wear condoms?
>>70706146
>>70706283
The Crystal gems don't really interact with humans a whole lot.
But actually, compare Amethyst and Rose's and even Steven's interactions with humans to Pearl's or Garnet's, they're vastly different.
>>70704987
How? The show doesn't actually portray Greg as in the wrong. The Gems feel that way but it's made clear they're being emotional and not rational about it.
>>70706283
>but how can you live amongst a species for 6000+ years and still be so blissfully unaware of how similar you are
perheps the SAME... can be siad for other humens
>>70705262
>people on 4chan
>not understanding basic human emotion
![You_don't_say%3F[1].jpg](https://4chanarchives.com/image/image-404.png "You_don't_say%3F[1].jpg")
>>70706494
meant to include pic related
>>70704942
This is true. A general stays alive because of the obsessed weirdos who create content once the discussion of the real content dissolves.
It's not even specific to that fandom. Every one of them who had a general evolved into a self fueling circlejerk.
The SU folks like to pretend this isn't the case but it's 100% fucking true. The threads are up all ours of the day to prove it.
>>70704410
I don't think the gems hate Greg.
>>70704410
I see Rebecca Sugar is a fan of poetry
>>70706100
Goofy's a widower in Goof TroopMax is the only family he has, think about that
>>70706189
Yeah to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Rose was deeply unhappy with herself when she was alive. Both for the damage she and the other gems had done to Earth, as well as what she had done to the other gems. Like I don't know, if we ever do see her perspective, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that at least part of the reason she decided to make Steven/to become Steven, was because she couldn't stand being herself anymmore.
>yfw the Gems will always secretly hate Steven because he indirectly caused Rose's death
>>70706006
Rose gave her body because she was pregnant. This wouldn't have to be the case with Steven.
>>70706871
> Steven...we can't both exist. I'm going to become half of you. And I need you to know...every moment you love being yourself, that's me, loving you and loving being you! Because you're going to be something extraordinary. You're going to be a human being.
>>70706871
I've thought that Rose's misery would have been most acutely caused by the fact that she couldn't do anything to help the 'monster' gems. There are a lot of seemingly intact gem-monsters, so they're probably not all battle-broken gems.
My pet theory is that rose's job was gathering up organic life to feed a kindergarten. Something about earth life made it all go wrong. That made her take a long hard look at life on earth to try and figure out what was going on. Meanwhile the home-world gems were going to make the earth into a plantation that could feed the kindergartens. Rose has become invested in earth and rebels. She can save the earth from homeworld, but she can't save the gems from earth.
Steven is her last ditch attempt to try and fix the broken and corrupted gems. Maybe if he can unify earth and gem life in himself, he can find the solution to heal others. Steven: Literally Crystal Space Jesus.
"We believe in the one Rose, Almighty, immortal protector of earth, and in the one Steven the Son of Rose, gem of gem, very Rose of very Rose, begotten not made being of one substance with Rose... Who for us humans, and for our salvation, came down from space, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Greg, and was made man"
>>70707083
>You're going to be something extraordinary...you're going to be an experience. A conversation.
>>70704547
And then your friend transmutes into a smaller pudgier version of himself that likes fry bits and ice cream
>>70705778
Do we know that though? Or is it a situation like with Lapis where if her gem was removed from Steven she'd be able to manifest again.
Granted like Lapis's mirror had to be destroyed to free her gem Steven would probably have to die for to free Rose.
>>70707196
I could totally see a grim dark future earth where the humans warship Rose and Steven. And shout prayers in their names while being slaughtered by the millions in giant wars against home world gems.
>>70708091
"Rosa Vult!" or "ردة كبيرة" if Google translate co-operated.
>>70704410
>Greg and Rose love each other
>Rose wanted to know what it's like to have a baby
>Shapeshifted her insides to create a womb
>The two fucked
>Rose gets pregnant, gives birth to Steven
>Gems hate Greg because Rose is gone
>Steven thinks the Gems hate him as well for the same reasons as well as him being Rose's reincarnation.
>>70707196
>was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Greg, and was made man
That's hysterical
>>70704854
God, that thread.
>>70707006
Ah, okay. I think I understand what you're saying now. Steven could get a girl pregnant without giving himself up as Rose did, most likely. I kind of think that's where Onion and his father Yellowtail came from. The descendants of gem hybrids.
>>70705778
>>70706153
Rose's Room kind of implies that Rose still has some degree of consciousness, at least within the room given that the Tiny Pink Whale questioning Steven in her voice.
>>70706025
Shut up Jasper. You think everything is sick.
>>70704712
It's implied that she really wanted the babby.
Also, it's implicit that Rose technically still "lives" inside the gem on Steven's stomach the same way all gems do when they get "killed".
Basically she's taking a few decades vacation, having a son, and experiencing what it means to be human all at the same time. The series will almost undoubtedly end with a scenario that removes Steven's gem and brings his mom back while he gets to be a normal human boy, having fulfilled a great accomplishment of some sort in a way no gem alone could have.
>>70710661
>The series will almost undoubtedly end with a scenario that removes Steven's gem and brings his mom back while he gets to be a normal human boy, having fulfilled a great accomplishment of some sort in a way no gem alone could have.
that sounds super gay and kind of against what Steven is kind of being built up to be, a bridge between humans and the rock aliens.
>>70710661
Or maybe he'll have to choose between being a gem and having powers or being a normal boy and having no powers, but a mom instead.
>>70704410
>>>needs it explained what murdercock did wrong
>Greg loves Rose and Rose loves Greg
>somehow Greg gets Rose pregnant
>Rose knows that if she gives birth to the baby she'll die
>she loves Greg and the baby so much she's willing to die for them
>she gives birth and dies
>Crystal Gems hate Greg and blame him for Rose's death
Jesus is that really in the cartoon? Maybe I should start watching this.
>>70710661
>The series will almost undoubtedly end with a scenario that removes Steven's gem and brings his mom back while he gets to be a normal human boy, having fulfilled a great accomplishment of some sort in a way no gem alone could have.
That's a UF tier ending, anon. I think it's preeeeeeeeeeeeeeety fucking obvious there is going to be no feel-good, everything worked out and no one died ending.
Unless Sugar is forced to do it due to pressure from CN.
>>70704712
I think that Rose not only wanted a child but was satisfied with her time alive + what she'd accomplished doing it, and was ready to move on.
I can't picture her doing it otherwise (and doesn't she seem like the kind of person who would be ok with zen-ly giving up their life after 6000 years of benevolence?)
>>70710661
>The series will almost undoubtedly end with a scenario that removes Steven's gem and brings his mom back while he gets to be a normal human boy, having fulfilled a great accomplishment of some sort in a way no gem alone could have.
That sounds terrible
>>70711003
uf tier?
>>70704742
I saw one comic with Rose printing out pictures on the internet and asking Greg which ones he liked more
>>70704410
Why is Rose so fat?
>>70710997
Eh it's not exactly that, but basically. She didn't really die FOR them, but she gave her powers to a human because she believes in humanity or something. We're not 100% clear on Rose's motivations besides she loves humans and thinks they're worth protecting.
>>70704410
Nothing. I feel like the Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl (especially) are going to learn to treat Greg better over the course of the series. The show is all about that kind of thing
>>70710997
The kid thinks they blame him a little, too.
>>70711113
Because she's a big girl and pregnant
>>70711113
She's pregnant.
>>70711132
>I found out the Gems are alien rebels and that there are other gems out in space that want us dead because they think we're traitors and they tried to take me hostage because they think I'm my mom. And maybe I kinda am?
>I wish I could talk to Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl about it, but I think they kind of blame me for my mom not being around
>>70711125
Don't worry. Greg will die and then Steven will blame the Gems for the loss of his father and they'll be even.
... Steven.
>>70711071
Unfamiliar Familiar ending. There's gonna be no hour long special finale about the after party with all the Gems celebrating the defeat of the Evil Diamond Authority, the return of Rose, and peace in the Universe.
Shit's gonna go down. People are gonna die. It's gonna be GLORIOUS
>>70711071
>>70711003
>>70711057
I'm predicting a MAJOR emotion bomb ending. I'm talking about people being hospitalized for dehydration because they can't stop crying. Sugar is going to destroy us
>>70704410
>thinking the creators are smart enough to even further this thinking.
im almost guaranteed they are pulling shit out of their ass as they go. and also,why all the flcl mimics? its so obvious they are trying copy their shit so much
as in the hand and etc..
>>70711139
Pretty sure she's just fat. She was fat in Pearl's hologram too.
Actually from a character design standpoint I feel her largeness works well as a visual motif for this huge venerated figure lurking in everyone's minds/past. Was a good call. Show'd be a bit boring if they reigned in their character design to make everyone conventionally attractive.
>>70711256
>Show'd be a bit boring if they reigned in their character design to make everyone conventionally attractive.
Why did you have to say that. This is fucking guaranteed replies from the anti-SJW-boogeymen shitposters. There is nothing conventionally attractive about any of the Gems except maybe Lapis.
Rose is just huge, she's probably really strong like Jasper.
>>70710997
Yeah, but it's less stated. Most of the show is from Steven's perspective.
>>70711252
The hand made sense, reconfigurable hands are a big part of Peridot's visuals.
What's stupid about this backstory? Rose made a decision, Greg feels guilt even though it was her choice, Gems unsurprisingly blame him a bit as people often blame others for a loved one's passing. It's surprisingly emotionally cognizant.
>>70705490
>>70705340
Pretty sure her Future Vision is more Probability Prediction. If some information is unknown to her (Such as Steven being in Peridots pod, because really, why would he be in there?) then it isn't factored into the calculations
>>70704410
>Crystal Gems hate Greg and blame him for Rose's death
Youre a fucking idiot. Where did you draw that out of?
>>70711285
here's your reply my nigger
>>70711349
Literally any episode where Greg and the gems interact. Specifically Maximum Capacity.
>>70711338
In Jail Break, Garnet was using future vision to find where jail cells were.
>>70711309
oops sry
>There is nothing conventionally attractive about any of the Gems except maybe Lapis.
I agree and it's great. We get such watchable, cartoony, visually interesting designs. (Mayor Dewey disagrees though)
>>70711338
I assume Garnet has to consciously activate her vision, so in a situation like fighting the escape pod, she assumed it was peridot and assumed she was going to win.
>>70711285
all me
>>70704583
She didnt die, Steven is rose. She knew that she cant have a child. So, She retart her brain and gave herself boy parts.
>>70711349
Hate is a strong word but the Gems are rather cold toward Greg and you'd have to be very obtuse to not think it was related to their beloved leader giving up her life after meeting him.
>>70711349
Amethyst clearly blames him, and the rest of the gems definitely don't like him.
>>70709434
>>70706153
I feel like we might get Rose to sorta half-manifest at some point down the line. I imagine the Diamond Authority would view him as an abomination (Or want to get Rose out of him so they can put her on trial) and try to get Rose out of him using Gem Tech
We still don't know if Steven dying will result in the gem regenerating into Steven or Rose, if at all. There's too many unknowns here
>>70711385
Future vision also can't predict the future, as she said. She's able to visualize the most likely outcome of certain actions and scenarios. I doubt steven being in that pod and attacking humans was remotely likely. Even if that was a probable outcome she saw, she would most likely dismiss it.
Now, logistics of peepee in vagurba or no aside, the real question is what happens when Steven dies?
He probably can't just abandon the projection and retreat to the gem. He's at least that much human.
Now, if Steven dies, does Rose return?
It is her gem, her powers, after all. And since they factually ARE the gems as opposed to the malleable projected bodies, killing Steven could - if it does not for whatever reason destroy the gem - return Rose.
Which would be the ultimate tragedy. She could exist forever, and have one, but not share the same stretch of time.
>>70711349
top fucking kek. watch the show
>>70711492
The answer to your questions is the same:
We have no idea. It's basically speculation at this point because even though we know a lot about what happens to Gems when they're injured, Steven is nothing like any Gem that has ever existed.
>>70711492
I think that Rose's "essence" is completely gone from the gem, outside of what little part of her remains. If Steven dies, he'll either just die or the gem will respawn a non-flesh version of him.
>>70711492
What if Steven has a kid
>>70711474
>>70711492
>We still don't know if Steven dying will result in the gem regenerating into Steven or Rose.
what if it does both. like every time steven dies he regains some of Rose's memories.
like some planescape torment shit.
>>70711565
I don't think that's true, partially because Steven contains all of Rose's powers.
Roses master plan, man.
Eugenics fuckery to the max.
We've seen Steven shit all over Gem tech thanks to his half-human physiology.
He can fuse with humans.
This is all according to keikaku for Rose.
Steven's gonna put the dunk on homeworld.
The real question is could Rose have just made a regular human baby, no gem, but decided to pass on her powers instead?
>>70711385
See, I'd agree with you, but then we got shit like Peridot's space orbs dropping down and Garnet only knowing about it when they drop. It HAS to operate on information she already knows, otherwise nothing would be unknown to her. She'd have an idea of what Peridot was when they first met her. She'd know that Jasper's freaky taser stick would one-shot her. She'd know that the Light Cannons wouldn't do anything to the space hand. And loads of other shit
>>70704410
holy shit did i miss something? did ep 52 come out?
>>70711730
>holy shit did i miss something? did ep 52 come out?
This has been known basically since Laser Light Cannon.
>>70711349
Did you miss the episode where the Gems didn't want him anywhere near the noise stone because they thought he'd fuck it up and had no faith at all in him when they let him try just to humor Steven?
>>70711716
Well the powers are in the gem so probably not.
Having a kid? Eh, maybe. If she became a biology expert and figured out how the whole process works. I feel like she went all "It's magic I ain't gotta explain shit" when she made Steven with her gem. Having a straight up normal baby would be way harder, if it's even possible
>>70705784
I think Lion is more of a part of Steven more than anything, Lion is able to give Steven access to the inside of Roses gem.
Lion probably manifested because Steven's inability to master the use of his mothers gem because hes focused more on his human brain than his gem, Lion is does what Steven wants subconsciously but is disobedient when he isn't serious about it.
>>70711492
If I had to guess, Rose would regenerate.
The logic I'm operating on is that she's basically hitching a ride on her own son, and when the fleshy part dies it goes back to just being Rose like before.
>>70711568
Either he dies, he passes his powers onto his kid, or a new gem entirely is created. Last option means that Rose has solved the greatest issue of gemkind
>>70711880
I bet it's option 3.
>>70711872
That's gotta suck.
The first thing she'd realize is the only reason she's alive again is because Steven isn't.
>Daily reminder that Bad-Morning Uncle Grandpa is endgame
Good Mourning
>>70711880
>Last option means that Rose has solved the greatest issue of gemkind
>Endgame is gem/human hybrid master race spreading love and peace throughout the Universe
Want
>>70704410
Rose got pregnant because she wanted to get pregnant. Steven is her final form.
>>70711972
I don't. Because that sounds fucking stupid that Steven can just make gems. Unless you mean every time he has sex he has to pass a fucking kidney stone
>>70712030
>Because that sounds fucking stupid that Steven can just make gems.
Humans can just make babies. Same thing, basically. He can create new gem life, why is that ridiculous?
AlsoConniewill be the one passing the kidney stone.
>>70712030
>Because that sounds fucking stupid that Steven can just make gems
No no, his kids have gem powers without him having to give up his form like Rose. Having a baby is still a long hard process
>>70712092
>long hard process
It sure is.
>>70712079
Because it's all based around magic minerals that you have to mine the ground to get. If a Full Gem Galactic Empire hasn't figured out how to grow gems then I doubt Steven is going to figure out how to shoot out a load of Quartz from his dick.
>>70711565
Well, he does retain her powers and even some personality traits. Down to the shield iconography.
The gem remains uncracked, so I would not assume Rose as the essence of the gem would have actually vanished.
I think some of the way her room reacted to Steven might be a kind of subtle influence of Rose's, observing and influencing in small ways.
And have you seen how he seemed to be drawn to things that were Rose's?
The lion, the scabbard. He does not do this consciously, but might be sometimes steered by mommy into some direction.
>>70711880
Now, the problem on the paternal side would be that it seems hard to determine at what point he could even pass on the gem, having no direct contact to the forming child.
Maybe he would simply produce humans?
>>70711661
>warrior cult based on harmony of members
>trained to fuse into giant woman/man/gem - thing to defend earth
Well, that could be fun. And weird.
I imagine a giant, bipedal orgy.
>>70711850
The Lion is Rose's familiar/ pocket dimension. That's why it holds all her stuff and memorabilia.
It probably sensed the awakening presence of Rose in him and decided to see where that would go.
>>70712161
Whenever he cums it's a load of Steven Quartz Universe by definition.
I think that if Steven's heart gets stabbed and his body dies, for example, his consciousness will retreat into the gem like he were in a coma. While he was out, his gem would shapeshift his body to fix his heart (we've already seen that it can seemingly create mass when he shape shifts, given how big he was in Cat Fingers). If his body were completely destroyed, he'd just have to make due with a projection body.
>>70712161
Gems never considered breeding with humans before.
>>70712161
>Because it's all based around magic minerals that you have to mine the ground to get
Yeah, for pure Gems. But Steven is special. He fused with a human who had no gem. He is so physiologically and biologically different than normal gems that their weapons don't work on him.
I mean everything we're saying here is speculation. We're both equally "correct" with our guesses. I choose to believe that Steven can be the progenitor of the new human/gem master race.
>>70711492
If I had to guess.
>>70704410
>Could someone please explain this to me? What the fuck did Greg do wrong?
Nothing, really. Especially if you consider this:
>Rose has been living on earth for 1000s of years
>Sacrificed everything she knew to defend this planet
>Put all her energies in fighting off the homeworld
>What's left of her defense is but a fragment of what she started with
>Know she couldn't fight off another invasion if they really wanted the planet back
>Knows the humans are too weak to fight off the homeworld gems as well
>Too far gone to be able to apologize and return to the homeworld on any level
>Can't leave the world because she would give up on everything she fought for
>Deep inside may realize she made a mistake defending earth and is trapped
>Develops a resentment toward earth on some level
>Sees death as her only to escape
>Meets Greg
>Finds some solace in his carefree attitude
>Finally escapes her problems by sacrificing herself to create another life
>Thinks maybe this new life can find solutions to these problems that she could see, with all the regret she built over the millennia
Greg was just a way to escape her burdens and pass the buck.
>>70712326
Steven isn't just a shell surrounding the gem. The gem is bound directly to his mind, which is why it shapeshifted him when he felt old. Whatever Rose did to birth Steven made the gem recognize him as it's "self" instead of her. I don't think that's something that would be undone just by killing him.
>>70705490
I think Garnet understands the best because she's a fusion actually made from love. Along with being the most emotionally balanced of the three she does kind of exist so two other people don't at the same time in a roundabout way.
Amethyst probably resents Steven a little, but seems to have more of an issue with Greg and would probably be the most sympathetic of all of them about not choosing how you were born.
Pearl is probably the worst person to deal with this because of everything we see in Rose's Scabbard really.
I still can't get over the reason Garnet's such a stable figure in Steven's life.
Everytime she acts like a proper authority figure I imagine Ruby and Sapphire doing it side by side like a pair of parents and it's absurdly heartwarming to me.
>>70712442
I think that stuff is just Steven not knowing how to control it, or some kind of feedback thing. I very much believe Rose is in there somewhere, but I also don't like an easy way for her to come back
>>70712326
My theory is that Rose fused with Greg and became a female and someone else is the father.
pregnancy to full term.
unfuse = Steven and Greg - rose magical body.
DUN DUUN DUUN!!!
>>70712472
>"Ruby! What do we do, he keeps aging!"
>"Calm down baby, I got this"
>Garnet starts shaking Steven
>"GARNET STOP!"
>"RUBY WHAT THE FUCK"
>"I thought...violence would be the answer"
Now I have something to ask Drawfags for in the next /sug/
Honestly, I want to like Rose, but Greg just ruins her.
He's a piece of shit failure. A poor father, a poor man, a poor everything. Rose has lived for many many human lifetimes and yet Greg is the only human that ever showed her kindness and love? That's some bullshit. It just makes Rose look like some air headed ditz with no common sense.She's the second most sexually appealing gem FFS. Of course other dudes wanted her.
So if Rose could shapeshift up a womb and a vag thta worked just fine, could the gems shapeshift up a dick a working testicles to get things pregnant?
Im guessing yes.
>>70710997
Rose gave up her physical form to form Steven. He literally has her gem in his navel. She lives on as part of him, essentially.
>>70712551
I disagree with basically everything you say. Greg isn't a failure and he's a great father. He's incredibly compassionate and has an awesome outlook on life. Look how happy he is just to be with his son even though his life is shitty and the woman he loved had to die to give birth to him.
I wish my dad was as awesome as Greg.
>>70712551
Look man, I'm not saying he's the greatest guy on earth, but if your wife turned out to be a 6000+ year old alien from an invading race who has dies giving birth to your kid, who may be her and inherit all of her magical space powers, maybe you're entitled to burn out a little and let the other magical aliens that actually understand his powers take care of them.
It's not like he actively mistreats Steven or avoids him, he's not a dead beat, he's just caught up in some shit that no man could reasonably be prepared for.
>>70712712
>>70712391
I think you don't get Rose, if she is anything like everyone remembers her.
>>70712442
Now the problem is, a Gem is a mineral core with a projected body.
Now we have a mineral core transferred into a natural human body.
The status of Rose as the nature of the gemstone is not touched by this.
If we speculate that Rose can actually return from the gem, then this could at some point during the show happen. Like projecting a body over Steven or something.
>>70712568
Hm. Maybe Ruby and Saphire could fuck and kinda permanently fuse themselves together in the process?
>>70712551
It's the age old "he's underachieving and lame but his HEART is so BIG I love him anyway thing" that aliens always do for some dumb reason.
I guess you can also feel that Greg's a 5000 year old caveman but that's a really stupid theory.
I just see it as Rose being dumb and possibly having some really nifty schemes up her sleeve or something. It could be a flaw in herself, but not in her character I think.
Plus it's never said that she never had any other lovers, Greg's just the only one to fuck her to death.
>>70712669
Well he was a loser before he was with Rose too, and then he was a loser after. Sure he wasn't prepared to be a father, but he hasn't exactly stepped up to try as far as we've seen. He only does anything if Steven comes to him first.
And sure, he does try to help Steven along when Steven needs help, it still remains that a father shouldn't be passive up till the moment when their child decides they need something.
It's how my father was and its messed me up fiercely. I'll always admit he was a good man, but he was always so damned passive.
>>70712551
>A poor father, a poor man, a poor everything.
He's a loving father and owns a business. The house attached to the temple, and all over Steven's food/toys, are probably paid for by him.
Also Rose was part of an alien race that tried to destroy the planet. That's a major turn-off.
>>70712551
I agree that he's a bit of a bum, but come on man, Greg is a great dad. He genuinely enjoys spending time with his son, and I imagine he does it every day (Though I will concede that we don't know that, but he's like right down the street so why wouldn't he.)
He knows that his Magic Space Son has weird Magic Space Shit and he knows that he's ill equipped to deal with it. One of the hardest decisions I feel he's ever had to make was having him live with the Crystal Gems. Lots of weird stuff will happen to Steven, and like it or not, they can best help him develop as a Gem and can keep him safe.
>>70712326
In order for Steven to be recognized as the person controlling the gem, I think she had to completely sever herself from the gem's powers. She's still inside the gem, but only Steven is able to access the powers of the gem now, which includes projection (hence why Rose "gave up her physical form"). When Steven dies, the gem will either recognize him as itself and let him retreat into it and project a new body, or he'll just die. If he dies, Rose still wouldn't regain the powers of the gem (because the gem considers Steven the bearer of its powers), so she'd be forced to exist as an immobile rock.
>>70712733
>I think you don't get Rose, if she is anything like everyone remembers her.
What she shows on the outside, doesn't necessarily reflect what's on the inside.
Think about it, what logical reason would she have to sacrifice herself when she's the strongest person to defend the earth?
Why, out of the 1000s of years interacting with humans, did she suddenly do a 180 and start a relationship with one?
Because she was tired of it all and wanted to escape.
>>70705277
Seems like Rose was all about dick moves.
>You'll never get to impregnate the best gem
>But hot damn will you have some wild nights
>>70712771
>but he hasn't exactly stepped up to try as far as we've seen. He only does anything if Steven comes to him first.
Oh man you're b8ing me so hard right now. Where the fuck do you get that idea from? It's canon that he raised Steven until some point where the gems decided he needed to be raised with them. It's most likely true that he pays for EVERYTHING for steven because we all know the Gems don't make/need money.
Greg is living in a fucking Van to pay for his son so don't you try to say he isn't stepping up.
>Greg is a deadbeat
>A man who managed to run a successful carwash in a town where everything is in walking distance
>Deadbeat
>>70712885
This isn't /sug/, fuck off.
>>70712858
Well we may get some new insight on this in the future. But for now, it's all guessing.
I really hope they give us a good reason. Because if she just up and decided to die for the love of Greg, then Rose goes down many respect pegs.
>>70712937
Holy shit.
>>70712976
It's also a beach town, though.
>>70712903
Guess work. For all we know the Gems are going to pull a Adventure Time and have a giant stash of cash in their place.
With the way Amythyst hoards, I see it happening.
>>70710661
>The series will almost undoubtedly end with a scenario that removes Steven's gem and brings his mom back while he gets to be a normal human boy, having fulfilled a great accomplishment of some sort in a way no gem alone could hav
So that will have meant that Steven as a person actually did not matter and his life's purpose was only to serve as a vessel for his mom. That's fucked up on several levels.
>>70712827
I think you forget that she somehow is the rock. So this could be just her suspending herself into a state of dormant consciousness to allow the existence of Steven as a person.
It could well be that she can regain control at any time, but doesn't because that would destroy Steven.
And maybe, when he gets older, there could be a kind of communication as he learns to do things consciously.
I'm basically arguing from the point of the more developable option.
>>70712937
>USA
>people walking
top kek
>>70712771
> Well he was a loser before he was with Rose too, and then he was a loser after.
He was a chubby 20 something that wanted to be a rock star, I wouldn't call that a loser, more average for his age than anything.
> He only does anything if Steven comes to him first.
We don't always see who initiates contact though, some episodes start with them together already. Also, since Steven is the main character we're more likely to see his exploits as him going out to meet other people.
And I get you might have issues with your dad, but your dad probably didn't have a chick with serious issues regarding your birth killing her best friend/mom that could transform into your mom to fuck with your dad. The fact that Greg goes anywhere near the temple is kind of amazing really, hell he even pretends to be injured one episode specifically so he can spend more time with Steven there.
>>70705340
Besides the future vision, I think Garnet handles better the idea of Rose being gone because she actually knows the feeling of loving someone so profoundly that you want to take that love to other extents, give it a new form. She thinks of steven as the "fusion" between Greg and Rose that was not made only by magic but also the simple power of their relation.
"there's no one or nothing like Steven" as she said.
>>70712998
man, being you or being around you must suck. i feel sorry for your friends/family
>>70712998
>For all we know the Gems are going to pull a Adventure Time and have a giant stash of cash in their place.
No they fucking won't. Finn and Jake have loot from their dungeon spelunking. There is no gold and precious non-Gemkind-jewels in the places the Gems go. They have no human money or anything that they can realistically exchange for human money.
>>70713090
They'd probably be able to make bank if they start selling some artifacts or something. And I can see princes and kings giving them boons as thanks for saving them from some gem creature.
>>70711941
Is this real?
>>70712551
>Greg
>A deadbeat neckbeard
Guy has shown to own multiple properties, is great with music, art, and sound engineering, and does actually run a business. Consider that Steven is always just running around spending money on things and clearly has a lot of nice stuff too. If anything, Greg gives most of his money to his son, to say nothing of the fact that he's supportive and extremely understanding and caring of him.
And on top of he seems to be the nicest guy to pretty much everyone.
>>70713180
The picture is an edit, but he crossover is real
>>70712472
Cute as that is, remember that Garnet isn't simply a robot being piloted by rock lesbians. Fusions are their own beings with their own autonomy.
Actually, based on Sugilite, I'd say Ruby and Sapphire cease existing unless Garnet wants them around (like for the planned birthday defusion)
>>70713225
So who's actually angry in that picture
>>70713261
It's three separate images. One is a backround rip, the gems are anti-aliased as fuck, and grandpa has little white specks around his outline
>>70713232
It's kind of paradoxical but isn't it kind of both, really? As far as fusions go I just think "Why not both" when it comes to questions about whether they're one or two people or if the two parts communicate or are just one chick.
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>>70712976
>>70712937
>A man who managed to run a successful carwash in a town where everything is in walking distance
>>70713421
The way I see it, they blend pretty evenly but they can sorta get "jossled" awake. Like Stevonnie was pretty stable using I and Me but then they start talking to themselves like they're separate
>>70713442
Plus Beach City is probably fairly tourist heavy, I'd expect he actually does a good turn, but we never see this because it's always from Steven's perspective
>>70705370
>This, to an extent. Crystal Gems always saw Rose with what could be described as literal worship. They all looked up to her and turned to her as a friend and colleague in their time of need. I guess it went to the point where they thought her to be flawless.
Could they be looking at her throughRose-tinted glasses?
>>70713421
>>70713232
perhaps this can help quantify some stuff for this discussion http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FusionDance
>>70713232
I don't think it's anything so binary as that.
If the song is any indicator, she does understand herself/themselves as the sum of two and the dialogue inbetween. Not one being, not two, but a (shared) experience.
So I would understand Garnet more as what comes of it when Ruby and Saphire work together than as a separate being.
You know that way two people who are great together work off of each other and noticably different from when they are separated?
I think that is what a fusion means. What you can do as a team.
And Garnet is the most awesome of teams. Absolutely stable. Never unable to work around differences.
Pearl and Amethyst are terrible together, hence Opal is nothing they like to do.
They have potential together, but they really need to focus to make things work.
>>70713495
I think the main point when fusions become unstable is disagreement. When the fused parties disagree, it falls apart, pulled into two different directions.
Until now, I would identify three states.
1. Separate. Two Gems.
2. Fused but plural. They need to coordinate and aren't really "feeling it".
3. Fused and singular. One mind, one purpose.
So, in a way, the fusion is itself the dance. As exemplified by Stevonnie destabilizing over a disagreement on the moves.
>>70713904
I really wanna see more Opal. Alexandrite got more screen time then them
>>70714021
Eh. That would take a severe kick to the ass of both. And they are really undisciplined, both.
Pearl may appear more controlled, but she is just driven to order and can't stop herself from spreading it around herself.
Maybe they should get some dancing lessons. Learn how to waltz instead of trying to reconcile twerking and ballet.
A dance with assigned roles might be what they need.
>>70714021
Scheduling Aimee Mann might be a bit difficult.
