[Boards: 3 / a / aco / adv / an / asp / b / biz / c / cgl / ck / cm / co / d / diy / e / fa / fit / g / gd / gif / h / hc / his / hm / hr / i / ic / int / jp / k / lgbt / lit / m / mlp / mu / n / news / o / out / p / po / pol / qa / r / r9k / s / s4s / sci / soc / sp / t / tg / toy / trash / trv / tv / u / v / vg / vp / vr / w / wg / wsg / wsr / x / y ] [Home]
4chanarchives logo
Can we play a game of "Let's Google Image Search for
Images are sometimes not shown due to bandwidth/network limitations. Refreshing the page usually helps.

You are currently reading a thread in /co/ - Comics & Cartoons

Thread replies: 255
Thread images: 79
File: landtrace.jpg (105 KB, 700x513) Image search: [Google]
landtrace.jpg
105 KB, 700x513
Can we play a game of "Let's Google Image Search for the pictures that Greg Land obviously traced from"? There's plenty of documentation of the obvious, confirmed examples but it's so fucking easy to find more.

Example: Saw this in Spider-Woman #2. I GIS'd "sad kid", it's the fifth result.
>>
Don't you realize Greg land is a actually a genius?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XwSJ3EHpBs0

Skip to 9:07
>>
>>69410501
Is this a bate?
>>
>>69410501

What the hell is this?
>>
File: image.jpg (27 KB, 226x261) Image search: [Google]
image.jpg
27 KB, 226x261
>>69410417
His Venom in Spider-Woman #3 is just the kotobukiya Venom statue.
>>
>>69410598

So it is!

I wouldn't even mind this lazy shit if the art didn't look awful as a result. But it's just terrible, everything looks slightly wrong and it's uncanny.
>>
>>69410501

he is basically THAT guy of /co/
>>
>>69410501

oh god it's some nerd trying to act like a tough guy

cringeworthy
>>
>>69410751
If i were drawing a character of which there were detailed statues available I would probably use one as reference as well.
>>
>>69410417
What I want to know is why Land can't draw women with hips, thighs or a decent ass.

Surely there must be porn out there for him to trace that has that.
>>
Is tracing ok in the industry? How does he still have a job?
>>
>>69411085
as long as you hit deadlines you can do whatever you want
>>
>drawing from reference: just a generally good idea
>drawing from reference too well: crime of the century
>>
File: greglandbutler.jpg (145 KB, 322x425) Image search: [Google]
greglandbutler.jpg
145 KB, 322x425
I wrote "Butler stock" in Google and found the picture he used for this Butler drawing.
>>
File: greglandironman.jpg (522 KB, 900x669) Image search: [Google]
greglandironman.jpg
522 KB, 900x669
>>
>>69411292
There's a difference between drawing and blatantly tracing which absolutely anyone can do. Idiot.
>>
>>69412005
Hey, if Marvel wants their comics more similar to the movies, Greg's their guy.
>>
>>69411292
>not understanding the difference between referencing and literal tracing
>>
>>69411292
Because you gotta be blind to think Land's art is "drawn from reference well"
>>
>>69411292
There is a difference between drawing well and Greg Land. One gives great art, the other gives out of context porn faces and uncanny smiles that don't match what the characters are saying.
>>
>>69411084
He hates black pornstars. Simple as that.
>>
>>69412021
Land would make bank on those MCU comics they release occasionally.
>>
>>69410501
oh wow that is NOT how I pictured him looking OR acting. I thought he'd be more of a Liefeld type meathead guy.
>>
>>69411197

Oh ok.
>>
File: broke_lady.jpg (23 KB, 317x400) Image search: [Google]
broke_lady.jpg
23 KB, 317x400
The most insulting part is he doesn't even search that deep. He always takes the first image almost every time.
>>69410417
It was the first result when I looked it up the first time.
Mighty Avenger's climax with the old lady?
Search Grumpy old lady
Surprise surprise result 1.

Being lazy is bad but at least he could put some work into his laziness.
>>
>>69410783
That's the "listens to so much metal he thinks he'll look badass if he dresses like Lemmy" nerd
>>
>>69412122
uh, the long hair guy isn't Land. you only see one photo of him and he kinda does look meatheadish. or maybe just fat.
>>
File: throne.jpg (404 KB, 572x863) Image search: [Google]
throne.jpg
404 KB, 572x863
Can anyone find the picture he traced for this?
I went from Throne -> Riddick Throne -> Loki Throne -> Iron Man 3 Mandarin
>>
>>69411051
Using reference is not the same as copying a photo.
>>
>>69412304
Try Ultron? Kang? Metron? The pose does look familiar, and I'm sure its "supposed" to be an homage to something.
>>
>>69411805
Jesus fucking Christ, Greg.
>>
>>69411292
Using references as bones is good but you have to hang your own flesh. Greg just grabs the whole carcass.
>>
>>69412304
Black Bolt.
>>
>>69412381
Usually I'd associate that pose with Magneto, though not sure if that is the original source
>>
>>69412304
Skyrim
>>
>>69411805
that little table thats supposed to be a tray has a really cool center of mass
>>
>>69410501
accidental cringe thread
>>
File: Spider-Woman 003-002.jpg (206 KB, 1771x522) Image search: [Google]
Spider-Woman 003-002.jpg
206 KB, 1771x522
>>
>>69412381
>>69412528
Check Game of Thrones pictures, looks like the iron throne to me
>>
>>69412799
>woman coughing in google
>nothing
well this is weird.
>>
>>69411292
>clearly not an artist

He's literally tracing.
>>
>>69412867
Anon, that bulge in her mouth is supposed to be a wee wee
>>
>>69412192
I doubt he can grow facial hair.
>>
>>69411292
Yeah, people here would probably bitch about landscape paintings because the artist "traced it".
>>
How do you swipes like this?

Just have a photo reference ? Or somehow put the photo under the paper you're drawing on and have a light project from the underneath?
Or project the photo onto a paper and trace it that way?

Comic book paper is pretty thick. Would be hard to trace through it.

Or is it all computers with no pencil and ink on real paper ?
>>
>>69412949
Landscape paintings and sequential comic book art are in now way the same thing. Are you fucking dense?
>>
>>69410501

Razorfist is a contrarian with a superiority complex.

>you like this thing? You're just a dumb, fanboy nerd! *image of a fat nerd on screen*

So who uses google images more: him or Land?
>>
>>69412976
Finishing "Drawing on the right side of the brain" is enough for anyone to copy any picture by eye.
>>
>>69412949
Landscape artists don't "trace". They can't. Or, well, couldn't before the age of cameras. They used their own sketches, imagination, and knowledge because Earth doesn't like artists enough to stop moving for a few hours for them.

But many landscape artists absolutely do trace nowadays.
>>
>>69412976
>Comic book paper is pretty thick. Would be hard to trace through it.

Are you joking?
>>
>>69412949
>Non-artists trying to out retard each other.
>>
>>69413089
>Guy stares at something
>Draws everything exactly as it is
Same fucking shit.
>>
File: Eller-Superman1.png (557 KB, 611x618) Image search: [Google]
Eller-Superman1.png
557 KB, 611x618
In this thread non artists confused about how artists draw and their ignorance leads to false arrogance.
>>
>people defend greg land saying he has to trace to meet deadlines
>meanwhile moebius and eisner could draw perfectly off the cuff
>>
File: tasigurthegoldenfang.jpg (52 KB, 265x370) Image search: [Google]
tasigurthegoldenfang.jpg
52 KB, 265x370
>>69412304
>>
>>69413259
Oh so you DON'T know what tracing is.
>>
>>69413259
But it isn't, you fucking idiot. A landscape artist doesn't just draws what he sees, he adds to it and removes, plays with color balance and so on. A landscape painting is not just a substitute for a photograph.
>>
>>69413338
Not even close
>>
>>69413259
Holy shit are you Greg Land?
>>
File: for the dumb shits on CO.jpg (2 MB, 2689x3598) Image search: [Google]
for the dumb shits on CO.jpg
2 MB, 2689x3598
Even Michelangelo used models for all of his art you stupid, stupid fucks.
>>
>>69413067
I hear he can draw pretty decently though
>>
>>69413279
>Literally having to either trace or make a carbon copy reference drawing to draw people in your comics.
Wow fucking non-artists don't get it.
>>
File: 1400603046916.jpg (55 KB, 358x469) Image search: [Google]
1400603046916.jpg
55 KB, 358x469
>>69413378
There's a pretty big difference between modelling and tracing, just sayin'.
>>
File: oh really now.jpg (48 KB, 265x370) Image search: [Google]
oh really now.jpg
48 KB, 265x370
>>69413359
Except for the part where it is.
>>
>>69413378
>not knowing the difference between reference and tracing

Holy fuck you're stupid.
>>
>>69413259
So what you're saying is drawing = tracing? So you're retarded and need a dictionary.
>>
>>69413378
Do you honestly not see the difference between drawing from life and tracing someone's work? Are you for real?
>>
>>69413378
It's not about using models you stupid, stupid fuck. And I don't know why you insist on equating commercial comic art to life-model art and landscape paintings.

But I'm pretty sure you're just trolling at this point so whatever.
>>
>>69413378
Yes but he turned his reference sketches into something more than a copy/paste collage
>>
>>69413426
MTG was my first hunch too, but I don't think that's it.
>>
>>69413378
I bet you're one of those people who thinks there's a literal 'animation' button on your computer to make cartoons.
>>
>>69413501
...There isn't?
>>
>>69411292
If you're trying to say fans should accept it when people trace as lazily as Land does then I'd go so far as to say you're one of his relatives.
>>
>>69412186
>He always takes the first image almost every time.
This is probably what I hate the most too.
Anyone got that evidence for the "punk girl" that Bum Tickley drew in CAD a few years ago?
>>
>>69413499
>>69413426
>>69413338
Well, he made some changes to the pose (which all happen to look unnatural)
>>
>>69413501
There isn't?

EVERYTHING I KNOW IS A LIE
>>
>>69413259
You're pretty fucking stupid if you think it's the same thing. Land doesn't just trace like a few artists have done. He somehow manages to trace BADLY. Character faces don't match up with dialogue, he recycles the same shit to meet deadlines, he pulls images off of the easiest results on google.

It barely qualifies as work.
>>
File: greglandironman.jpg (451 KB, 900x455) Image search: [Google]
greglandironman.jpg
451 KB, 900x455
>pay Greg money to make covers
>get these in return
>>
>ITT: Greg Land tries to prove he doesn't trace
>>
>>69413390
He has his own deviantart.
>>
>Take art class
>Draw what you see
>Draw what you see
>DRAW WHAT YOU SEE
Being an artist is in no way special, the difference is that an experienced artist combines shit they've seen and knowledge of how shit works to make new works.

I would get it if people were just complaining that this asshole's art is shit, uninspired, non-creative or anything. But calling it a "trace" is just stupid. Any artist who spent any amount of time drawing doesn't need to trace, they can just copy it by eye (Much faster than it would take to trace over the lines with thin paper or on a program). Which is not the same as tracing, despite similar results.
>>
>>69413645
>But calling it a "trace" is just stupid

But Land literally DOES trace.
>>
>>69413678
[citation needed]
>>
>>69412304
Conan?
>>
>>69413645
The thing about Greg Land is that you can put his drawing and the picture he traced over each other on Photoshop and see that the lines match. It's different to look at a photo and take a pose from it and copying it line to line.
>>
>>69413645
My little anon can't be this retarded. When you draw from life, you pick the right pose, angle, lighting, composition. Being able to draw well will not make you a good artist without the skills to combine these into something coherent. If you google a photo, or stop a movie, it doesn't matter whether you actually trace or not, other's have already done the hard part of the work for you. You are stealing their art.
>>
>>69413761
Also Greg Land's artwork looks stiff as shit because he can't do gestures. He just traces pictures and by doing so his drawings lose the motion.
>>
>>69412304
It's from a promo standee for game of thrones. I can't find the picture on google, but i used to see it when going to pay my cable bills at the company's office.
>>
File: landoldlady.jpg (576 KB, 1098x1000) Image search: [Google]
landoldlady.jpg
576 KB, 1098x1000
>>69412186
>>
>Retards who aren't artists try to tell people that Land's tracing is just "using references"
No. Observational drawing is fine and working from a model is fine for professional work--and hell, yes, even tracing can be fine IF IT'S FOR PRACTICE AND STUDIES. It is not okay for work you intend to sell, or professional work. There is a huge difference between copy+pasting an image and drawing over it and using a photo to reference from; just as an example, you usually want more than one reference to work with, not just one.

>>69413733
>Citation needed
You stupid motherfucker.

>http://pastebin.com/TXfuZkaQ
You click this link, you click it right now. In fact, everyone in this thread should.
>>
>>69413783
>Being able to draw well will not make you a good artist without the skills to combine these into something coherent.
>Agreeing with the post while acting like you don't.
Truly, the best of bait.
>>
>>69413279
Responding to non-artists is arrogance in itself.
>>
File: carefulofthethornsgreg.jpg (80 KB, 404x624) Image search: [Google]
carefulofthethornsgreg.jpg
80 KB, 404x624
>>69412304
This is pretty close, though not the same/
>>
>>69410501
fuck, i gave your shitty video a view. youre welcome. ya cunt.
>>
File: trace.png (1 MB, 2689x3598) Image search: [Google]
trace.png
1 MB, 2689x3598
>>69413378
Can I be a comic book artist now?
>>
>>69414308
Your lines are too shit, get cleaner lines with varying weights first.

>Anon is so shit at art, he can't even trace.
>>
>>69413645
His traces are literally line for line, you can superimpose his work over the original and it completely fits, that's not "drawing from the eye"
>>
>>69414308
Welcome on board.

>>69414344
He doesn't have to, that's the inker's job. Switching to pencil or something lighter is enough.
>>
>>69413901
But look! SOMEONE had to draw that hand and brick!
>>
File: new meme.png (127 KB, 2689x3598) Image search: [Google]
new meme.png
127 KB, 2689x3598
>>69414308
Nice new meme
>>
>>69414405
It just looks like a lego
>>
>>69413901
>old lady
>has all her teeth

wut?

>>69413633
>>69413390

Yeah, that's the worst thing, it's not like Leifeld who somehow manages to trace images in a way that's even worse than his free hand stuff, Land CAN draw, he just chooses not to.

And STILL everything takes longer for him to finish than would be really professionally acceptable in any industry other than comic books.
>>
>>69412304
this looks so familiar but I can't remember
>>
>>69414722
Same. I'm sure I've seen this exact same pose before, but I just can't put my finger on it.
>>
>>69412304
looks like vin diesel.
>>
>>69410417
Jesus christ. He didn't even change the kid's fringe...
>>
File: AlgolOnHisThrone_1609.jpg (47 KB, 350x490) Image search: [Google]
AlgolOnHisThrone_1609.jpg
47 KB, 350x490
>>69412304
>>
>>69412304
That's a fairly decent blend of Conan and Arthas, I think. Definitely still borrowed, but I doubt directly traced. Lemme see if I can find the pictures I'm thinking of.
>>
>>69412867
You need to imagine her hand a bit more open. Almost as if she is holding something. Something that goes into her mouth.
>>
File: IM2012014_DC11_LR-1.jpg (161 KB, 791x1200) Image search: [Google]
IM2012014_DC11_LR-1.jpg
161 KB, 791x1200
my favourite
>>
File: conan1.jpg (83 KB, 534x800) Image search: [Google]
conan1.jpg
83 KB, 534x800
>>69414937
not even close. A sculpture again, in this case. But I still think mixed with something else. Either Arthas or a Frazetta piece.
>>
>>69413107
I've seen the paper they use for original Art and it's pretty sturdy. I guess if you had a light source underneath you could get a photo to go through underneath ye page
>>
File: throwing-bricks2.jpg (161 KB, 408x500) Image search: [Google]
throwing-bricks2.jpg
161 KB, 408x500
>>69413901
>>69414405
>>69414440
guys...
>>
>>69415036
...t-there's no way that he even traced the...
>>
File: watching one piece.gif (2 MB, 400x300) Image search: [Google]
watching one piece.gif
2 MB, 400x300
>>69415036
you gotta be kidding me...
>>
>>69415036
>>69415071
ahahahahaha. Okay, now THAT is 'I recognize that bulge!' impressive.
>>
File: Vivec__monalised_by_Alvirdimus.jpg (23 KB, 300x466) Image search: [Google]
Vivec__monalised_by_Alvirdimus.jpg
23 KB, 300x466
>>69415036
I really don't know what to say.
>>
File: 1404614459695.gif (725 KB, 245x172) Image search: [Google]
1404614459695.gif
725 KB, 245x172
>>69414937
>he's not wearing pants
>>
>>69415009
>>69412304

Now that I'm back in the thread and found the original again, I'm even more sure I'm right. He got rid of the staff, added more skulls/helmets, changed the degree of slouch slightly, but the overall distance between the characters head and the skull/helmet at the top of the throne remains about the same. About 70% sure the helmets/skulls surrounding the skull throne are borrowed from somewhere at least in terms of position and size, though.
>>
>>69415036
>>69415127
Actually, it's not even that impressive, it's just sad
>>
File: 1-7357.jpg (35 KB, 640x480) Image search: [Google]
1-7357.jpg
35 KB, 640x480
>Come into thread thinking someone is bitching about someone using a model
>Nope, legit tracing
>>
I'm trying to learn to draw, and I think I'm going to avoid tracing completely if possible. I'll look at a photo to get an idea of how to pose, but I will attempt to put it together myself. Land's route is cheating, in my opinion, and wouldn't truly teach me anything.
>>
>>69415272
I'm a newbie, shitty 'artist', I've been using Clip Studio Paint. It has a built in model/poser thing that's useful to help get your proportions correct.
>>
Why is nobody sued Marvel yet for Land's trace work?
You'd think at some point, somebody would start making waves and Marvel would reconsider giving Land so much work based solely on him meeting deadlines.
>>
The biggest problem for me with Land isn't that he traces. I mean, it's lazy and morally questionable, but at least he's pretty good at it.

The problem is that what he traces almost NEVER fits what the script needs. It's just random poses that he found on Google images or in porn or wherever else.

Also, he reuses the same ones over and over, which is pretty annoying once youve seen enough of his art.
>>
File: I AM AN ARTIST.png (647 KB, 1275x707) Image search: [Google]
I AM AN ARTIST.png
647 KB, 1275x707
>be an "artist"
>basically trace everything from in-game screenshots/porn pictures/other peoples work
>change few things like narrowing shoulders/make hips wider/legs shorter/etc.
>no one notices a thing and tells me I am a great artist

pic unrelated
>>
>>69414308
Looks too much like Frank.
frank/10
>>
>>69415272
Well, that's nice, but don't be that worried about "cheating". You know, there are many things that some might consider cheating. Some like to montage in photos to help with texture, maybe they paint over it. Some use special brushes for the same thing. And others do it all with a basic brush by hand and a lot of work. Is the first two sort of cheating? Yeah. But it's also perfectly reasonable to do it, because at the end of the day, especially for hobby artists, results are the most important. As long as you are satisfied with the end result, it's okay. Same thing goes for reference photos. If you absolutely can't figure something out on your own, use them. You will improve from the other practice stuff you. But when you are doing a picture, use whatever you have to to get the results you want.
>>
>>69414560
Land, at his best, was mediocre. Now, what little skill he had has slipped and, without tracing, he can't draw for shit.
>>
File: JeanGreyPhoenixEndsong1p11.jpg (159 KB, 500x750) Image search: [Google]
JeanGreyPhoenixEndsong1p11.jpg
159 KB, 500x750
I thought this thread would consist of porn stills.
>>
>>69415036
screened
>>
>>69415403
Because, once you change an image by more than 25% it becomes yours. And the coloring in comic tones covers that.
>>
>>69415848
saved as 'bricks were shat'. Someday I will try to use it in a thread thinking it will be appropriate and be amused at the memory of this day.
>>
>>69415036
No. Fucking. Way.
>>
>>69414198
Love Broken Empire series.
>>
>>69415528
Don't worry. There will be punishment for you in the afterlife.
>>
>>69415848
Now, the question is - can we find the hands and jaw from the 'Avengers Assemble' pic, because that's traced too.

It might be from porn, because I can't find shit. Or it might be easy and I'm shit.
>>
File: shockedoldwoman.jpg (101 KB, 320x313) Image search: [Google]
shockedoldwoman.jpg
101 KB, 320x313
>>69416173
He actually used this lady's left hand for both of the hands, just mirrored it. And drew like one finger by himself.
>>
>>69416173
post the picture I love doing this
>>
>>69415848
This is good shit I tell you what.
>>
>>69414798
I think It's a Loki image
>>
>>69415848
Damn, man. Damn.
>>
>>69415029
most tables used for hand-drawn animation have a backlight so you can see through to previous frames easier
>>
>>69416206
you've got to be kidding me
>>
>>69416206
Oh good. For a second I was starting to worry we might have to watch a decade's worth of NFL games to find it.
>>
>>69416260
I still say >>69415009
It's almost a perfect match right down to the abs, other than a few tweaks, additions, and changes.
>>
>>69416330
it could very well be a combination of the ones we've had here. i mean, he does the head point thing that the mtg card does, but the lack of a lowerbody in the mtg reference would mean land has to trace from somewhere else to complete the image.
>>
>>69410501
This guy makes me mad. I have no words.
>>
Seriously?
What's next? did he even trace the speachbubbles?
>>
>>69415036
wow
>>
>>69412976
Mostly everything is done in computers, some old school guys still do inks on paper. But 99% of colorist work digital.
>>
>>69416383
speech bubbles are usually done by the letterer or just a computer program
>>
File: jesuschristgreg.jpg (227 KB, 782x434) Image search: [Google]
jesuschristgreg.jpg
227 KB, 782x434
>>69416383
>>
>>69416375
Well at least he likes Bendis Daredevil
>>
>>69415036
He even traced the fucking jacket.
>>
>>69416383
>>69416485
Now the screencap will be complete.
>>
>>69416485
>He didn't even mirror the picture himself.
>>
>>69415848
>>69416206
And still there will be people who defend this.
>>
Whos the guy who draws the same face on every person?
>>
File: bricks were shat.png (1 MB, 1056x1686) Image search: [Google]
bricks were shat.png
1 MB, 1056x1686
>>69416485
>>
File: frank over june.jpg (55 KB, 500x369) Image search: [Google]
frank over june.jpg
55 KB, 500x369
>>69416624
Dillon?
>>
>>69414980
kek
>>
File: cvthrone.jpg (291 KB, 904x507) Image search: [Google]
cvthrone.jpg
291 KB, 904x507
>>69412304
kind of like it. Maybe in one of the earlier games?
>>
File: FRANKWORLD.jpg (185 KB, 572x869) Image search: [Google]
FRANKWORLD.jpg
185 KB, 572x869
>>69416624
Dodson.
Dillon.
>>
New Spider-woman is out.

First page
>>69415789
>>69406565
>>
>>69416383
God damn. The way he Frankensteined a single character out of several different pictures creates such an enormous dissonance of body language that everything looks so fucking unreal. If it had been done intentionally, you could argue that it was some sort of pretentious avant-garde piece.
>>
>>69414980
Hahaha oh wow.
>>
>>69413901
Holy fuck it's literally the same face 4 times in the span of 2 pages.
>>
File: 1422012586152.png (37 KB, 710x772) Image search: [Google]
1422012586152.png
37 KB, 710x772
>ITT: artists bitch they don't draw on easy mode
haha you can't even make mad dosh
>>
>>69414980
Tony's into some kinky shit.
>>
>>69415683
>Cyclops down at the bottom
call 911 and the police my sides are fleeing the scene
>>
>>69416697
I could bet that he traced that cover image from some WWE diva picture.
>>
>>69416783
>ITT: non-artists try to give drawing lessons

And you definitely won't.
>>
>>69416383
Greg should send half his paycheck to Google, or at least list them as the artist.
>>
>>69411805
the stock butler looks like jon stewart
>>
>>69416861
lel go make some mad dosh then, it seems tracing works considering he works for a massive comic book company

git gud scrub
>>
File: hqdefault.jpg (15 KB, 480x360) Image search: [Google]
hqdefault.jpg
15 KB, 480x360
>mfw this thread
>>
>>69417034
artists are woefully underpaid unless their name is Alex Ross or John Romita, Jr.
>>
Thanks for the opportunity to post this again, /co/
>>
>>69417034
>le funny may may reply u jelly

So do you work the graveyard shift or part time?
>>
>>69410417
Can someone post some of his porn traces?
>>
File: 1398900886645.jpg (142 KB, 688x577) Image search: [Google]
1398900886645.jpg
142 KB, 688x577
>>69410417
It never ends.
>>
>>69417088
Ha
>>
File: FUCKINGFUCK.jpg (263 KB, 547x550) Image search: [Google]
FUCKINGFUCK.jpg
263 KB, 547x550
>>69416697
I wrote "waking up woman"
>>
>>69417088
So does this line up with the actual page or is it just parody?
>>
It's really fucked up how artists in Japan have had their entire careers completely RUINED just because they dared to copy a simple pose from a photo in a magazine, while Land fills entire comicbooks with the most blatant tracing ever and nobody in the industry gives a single shit.
>>
>>69417177
The manga industry is much more serious and bigger than the Western comic book industry.
>>
>>69417177

Yeah Japan's pretty awful
>>
>>69417177
I like to think it's because they feel bad for him since he has no marketable skills so they just keep putting him on backwater books and pay him a salary so he doesn't end up on the street
>>
File: L e L.jpg (59 KB, 448x599) Image search: [Google]
L e L.jpg
59 KB, 448x599
>>69417151
>>
>>69417151
How did he think picking the one with double-jointed elbows was a good idea? Like if you hadn't found the original I'd have mocked it for being bad anatomy.
>>
>>69417177
Seriously. We should take a few thousand pictures of attractive women doing stuff, and sue the shit out of them when he traces one.
>>
>>69417200

It really isn't.

It's bigger than the American one, but when you say "western comic book industry" you're talking about all of it. And that's a lot of shit.

Remember to always use precise language in conversation, because you might rustle autists like myself.
>>
File: greg land makes a cartoon.webm (3 MB, 400x300) Image search: [Google]
greg land makes a cartoon.webm
3 MB, 400x300
>>
>>69415379
Yeah, I use a 3D model program to help me out, mostly with proportions/scale/perspective. It's not a substitute for drawing from life and whatnot (and I'd like to get to some non-college life drawing sessions eventually), but it helps. If nothing else, it's a good way to lay groundwork for a picture, and then build off/on top of that with my own style and stuff. Especially since I draw aliens and shit like that, instead of humans. I still have to figure out proportions for things like inhuman arms/legs/etc..

Even then, using 3D models for references (in the proportions/perspective sense) isn't perfect and doesn't replicate life exactly, but since I consider myself a hobby artist, it works for me. (I still always aim to git gud, though)

People like Greg Land make me ashamed to admit this openly, though.
>>
>>69415976

Me too. How is Prince of Fools?
>>
File: 1.jpg (555 KB, 3072x1728) Image search: [Google]
1.jpg
555 KB, 3072x1728
>>69414980

Is this real?
>>
>>69417153
Considering the fact that the people in the picture don't look remotely like each other, I'm pretty sure it's just taking the piss out of Land by taking his habit to its logical extreme.
>>
>>69417088
i don't get it.
>>
>>69413901
I tweeted this pic at him
think it'll get a reply?
Think he'll take the hint?
>>
So the guy "traces" a bunch of meaningless background events, but otherwise seems to have really good art and he's a talentless hack?

Don't you think that's a tad extreme?
>>
>>69414980
I don't get it
Is this supposed to be a trace from that famous asshole-stretching pic?
>>
>>69414980
I'm confused, what's this supposed to be? Some bondage shit?
>>
>>69417374
>otherwise seems to have really good art

No, the art is bad as well as being unoriginal.

>Don't you think that's a tad extreme?

If he wants to be respected as an artist he should learn how to draw.
>>
>>69417177
Well Japan has higher standards except for maybe their leniency with people using a lot of assistants so it makes sense. In America comics are unfortunately seen as bottom of the barrel entertainment and no one gives a fuck if someone as shitty as Land is getting work
>>
>>69417374
>meaningless background events
Did you miss every post in this thread? He traces main characters all the time.

I'm not saying he's talentless; he's good at tracing. But it's still a shitty thing to do.
>>
>>69417425
nobody can be this new
>>
File: New Avengers 28.jpg (736 KB, 1988x3056) Image search: [Google]
New Avengers 28.jpg
736 KB, 1988x3056
>>69410417
Can Mike Deodato play too?
>>
>>69417177
Hell I think some of this is illegal, the pictures he uses seem to be professionally shot pictures, I'm pretty sure some of them are protected as intellectual property, not that it really matters.

To all you anons that read comics is this the standards you guys have for comics? You should boycott anything with this kind of shit, just as a matter of principle it's embarrassing, it tends to have an uncanny valley feel to it and it makes comics look like a joke.
>>
>>69417416
>that famous asshole-stretching pic
>not knowing its name
>or having it saved

4chan has really gone to the dogs.
>>
>>69417491
At least it gives me the name "Hopeless Land".
>>
>>69417491

They do, though. Tom Brevoort, king of Marvel, has publicly defended Land's bullshit.
>>
>>69417491
>To all you anons that read comics is this the standards you guys have for comics?
CAPE comic readers. They don't care about quality, they just want their fix.
>>
File: 5G9dizE.png (332 KB, 584x329) Image search: [Google]
5G9dizE.png
332 KB, 584x329
>>69417483
Oh WOW, you would've thought he'd at least get rid of the top bumps instead of making them blazing orange.

I digress though, if he had actually built a unique model from legos and just used it as a reference, that would at least be pretty novel.
>>
File: 1370915414244.jpg (47 KB, 446x259) Image search: [Google]
1370915414244.jpg
47 KB, 446x259
>>69410501
Too edgy for me.
>>
>>69417495
idk man i looked up goatse to compare and i dont see it either
>>
>>69417491
>You should boycott anything with this kind of shit

/co/ doesn't buy many comics in the first place.
>>
>>69417361
No and no, and his coworkers would defend him
>>
>>69417374
Dude, just stop. The deliberately obtuse card has been played a gorillion times already. There's no reason to continue this charade.
>>
>>69417534
Is he really king? Seems more like Vice President of marketing or something. If anything Joe Quesada might qualify wouldn't he?
>>
>>69417483
OH MY GOD
>>
>>69417455
I don't really think it's because they have higher standards. But any scandal brings shame to the company, and that's a big no-no. So it's better to force the artist to admit to this shamefur disprey and commit professional sudoku than pretend it's not a big deal. Even if it really isn't.
>>
>>69417471
Hey I've been here for more years than I care to admit but I didn't get it at first either.
>>
>>69417374
>but otherwise seems to have really good art
>Greg Land
>>
>>69417594

Joe Q's position is roughly analogous to Geoff Johns' and Jeph Loeb's. None of them wield direct power over comics.
>>
>>69417594
It's a triumvirate with those two and Axel Alonso
>>
>>69417483
WOW
>>
>>69414308
are those the frank eyes
>>
File: wtf.jpg (31 KB, 640x423) Image search: [Google]
wtf.jpg
31 KB, 640x423
>>69417483
Are you fucking shitting me...
>>
File: 1416541115090.png (221 KB, 485x248) Image search: [Google]
1416541115090.png
221 KB, 485x248
Related
>>
>>69417633
After a quick google image search, I think I agree.
>>
File: 1416540886668.png (830 KB, 700x653) Image search: [Google]
1416540886668.png
830 KB, 700x653
>>
File: confused-man.jpg (643 KB, 1000x669) Image search: [Google]
confused-man.jpg
643 KB, 1000x669
>>69417632
I've been visiting 4chan on a regular basis since 2004 and I still don't get it...
>>
I just remember reading The Incal and seeing something traced by Land
>>
>>69417734
goatse
>>
File: 1416540855433.png (319 KB, 429x402) Image search: [Google]
1416540855433.png
319 KB, 429x402
I don't have any larocca stuff.

>>69417734
Safesearch off.
>>
>>69413089
Well, there were some who traced with the help of camera obscuras
>>
>>69417534
So has anyone checked whether any of the images he's traced are at all copyrighted? Like, for some of these it's well past anything that could be weaseled away as 'parody' or just inspiration or some shit. If you could find and notify a large enough group of photographers or other copyright holders to create a legal shitstorm you might actually be able to do something about Land.
>>
>>69412304
Black Adam
>>
>>69417483
This is the type of stuff you just won't accept being actually real, it's so strange

It's on par with a guy i knew that licked peanutbutter straight out of the tin can and cut his tongue
>>
>>69417483
The worst part is the end of the cannon
>>
>>69417751
Oh, so it IS goatse after all? That was actually my first thought, but it didn't seem like an outright trace, so I was focusing more on Tony's face.
>>
>>69417634
I don't think brevoort has much control either though, wouldn't the blame rest on the editors and writers who do bad stories? Maybe the EIC?
>>
>>69417808
>implying the worst part isn't the lego camera on the back that he didn't change at all
>>
>>69417779
First off, all pictures - by the very definition of the concept - are copyrighted.

Now, whether or not anyone who owns said copyright has cared enough to pursue it (or has even noticed it) is a different story entirely.
>>
>>69417483
>all that blatant clipping between the traced model and the added bits

dude's got balls, you gotta give him that
>>
You fucks are just jelly he manages to stay employed with this tracing.

Stop bitching and get good at tracing yourself, comic artist glory awaits!
>>
>>69417483
>Doesn't even try to make it not look like lego

Haha, oh wow
>>
>>69417843
It could be argued that it's just part of the design. I'm not defending it or anything, but the cannons are blatantly clipping through the rest of the ship. It looks like the guy just mashed a couple of 3D models together with no regard for visual consistency, which, all things considered, is probably exactly what he did.
>>
Anyone have the interview or whatever where some guy from Marvel defends Land and says shit like "Would you take food off of his table?" and shit like that?
>>
>>69417483
that is a Google Sketchup (or something similar) model. In fact, I think he had a partial 3D model of the Lego fighter, directly imported it, then drew around it.
>>
File: 1422303205787.gif (554 KB, 295x221) Image search: [Google]
1422303205787.gif
554 KB, 295x221
>>69416783
>mad dosh
>in the comics industry
>>
>>69417866
Land i swear to god i know its you dude
or did you forget when you slipped up in this very same kinda thread like two years ago
its ok you're a hack
its just 4chan what the fuck do we matter
go buy an eisner
>>
>>69414980
It's missing the ring.
>>
>>69417866
Even a monkey can draw manga does make it a point to tell artists how being a profesional has nothing to do with skill.
>>
>>69417483
It's the fucking camera on the back and fucking cannons horribly melding into the front part that really sell the piece.
Thread replies: 255
Thread images: 79

banner
banner
[Boards: 3 / a / aco / adv / an / asp / b / biz / c / cgl / ck / cm / co / d / diy / e / fa / fit / g / gd / gif / h / hc / his / hm / hr / i / ic / int / jp / k / lgbt / lit / m / mlp / mu / n / news / o / out / p / po / pol / qa / r / r9k / s / s4s / sci / soc / sp / t / tg / toy / trash / trv / tv / u / v / vg / vp / vr / w / wg / wsg / wsr / x / y] [Home]

All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.
If a post contains personal/copyrighted/illegal content you can contact me at [email protected] with that post and thread number and it will be removed as soon as possible.
DMCA Content Takedown via dmca.com
All images are hosted on imgur.com, send takedown notices to them.
This is a 4chan archive - all of the content originated from them. If you need IP information for a Poster - you need to contact them. This website shows only archived content.