ENOUGH BATMAN
JOKER JUST KILLED 23 ORPHANS IN AN EXPLOSION THIS NIGHT
WHY?
BECAUSE YOU LET HIM LIVE YESTERDAY
ENOUGH
ENOUGH FUCKING ENOUGH
EITHER YOU WILL TAKE CARE OF HIM...
...OR I WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU BOTH
>>64944279
So Gordon is admitting he could do it, too? Why doesn't he? Why doesn't anyone? Why should it fall on Batman's shoulders and not anyone actually paid to do the job? He's a volunteer, and doesn't have nearly as much responsibility in this matter as the actual justice system to which he hands the criminals he helps to catch.
Joker's so random and unpredictable that he'd just be able to dodge the bullets Gordon shoots at him
Gordon
I am not a killer
You are not a killer
>>64944279
Here you go, Gordon. All wrapped up like a present
>>64944378
If he tied him to a chair and shot him in the head there would be no dodging.
If Joker was found guilty and sentenced to death, would Batman break him out of jail?
>>64944400
nice try Joker
>>64944279
>JOKER JUST KILLED 23 ORPHANS IN AN EXPLOSION THIS NIGHT
But I been sick all week commissioner. Haven't left my bed at all
>>64944447
If he's really guilty, Batman ain't doing shit. At worse he'd look for the real criminal if he thought something was up
>>64944447
Nope. Justice at work. Until he pieced together that the judge and hurry had been paid off so he then has to clear Jokers name, only to find out it was Joker that paid them off at the end.
>>64944447
Batman isn't anti-death penalty, he's just doesn't think vigilantes should kill.
>>64944447
That did happen, no trolling.
Joker was sentenced to death and Batman saved him.
Would you play a game where Batman has to fight the bat family to save his girlfriend?
I've always been wondering why no super rich guy who looses a loved one doesn't just hire some mercenaries or assassins to kill guys like Joker, Poison Ivy or Black Mask.
No capture, just killing them in the most efficient manner possible.
>Deadshot, here's a shitload of cash, kill these criminals, for each kill you get more cash. Don't show-off and make a scene, here's extra money for making it boring for you. Now git.
>>64944485
>Thinking Joker can't murder orphans while in bed and sick
He'd take it as a challenge.
>>64944506
Correction, he found the real killer who turned himself in
I'm more surprised one of the officers who always has to cart off Joker never offed him.
>>64944547
>killing Ivy and black mask
why?
>>64944581
Its the truth, honestly commissioner. Just ask Haley
I had this story in mind called "One Last Night".
Basically Joker kills Barbra and Gordon uses his influence to create a manhnt for Joker amongst whole Gotham, even crooks (for example Penguin gets a free pass once if he kills him).
Batman goes out of his fucking mind to save Joker and prove that is not the way.
In the end it turns out Batman and Joker were both mentally ill psychos who played "roles" for their own amusement.
Gordon kills Joker and Batman disappears forever.
>kills cops
>kills "innocent" people
Tell me again why Joker is the bad guy here?
>>64944616
>We'll take it from here Batman, thanks
>Bats turns around to leave
>Hears a gun shot go off
>Sees the cop standing over the Joker who now has a 5 inch hole in the back of his head, brains everywhere
>>64944501
Makes me wonder if he would kill if he was government sanctioned and given the authority to kill.
>>64944430
I'm sure the Joker was already shot on the head but he survived somehow
>>64944696
because he kills cops and innocent people? i dont get the point of this post?
>>64944447
The Joker has survived execution before.
>>64944730
No, Batman doesn't kill because he can't deal with death. Not because it's the law
muh parents and all that stuff
>>64944696
fuck off with your shit b8
>>64944754
ignore him
>>64944789
>Batman doesn't kill because he can't deal with death. Not because it's the law
No it's always been about the law, theres always stories about him on the edge but choosing to let justice take it's course.
>>64944781
I feel this could be a great 4chan banner.
With Joker dead who would entertain Batman?
Do you wish for Batman to "lose it"?
>>64944951
Not even the entire Justice League would be enough to stop Batman
>>64944279
literally the opposite of how their relationship works
>>64944754
cops are crooked
nobody is innocent
Joker is doing God's work
>>64944725
>Police officer arrested by bats
>becomes depressed
>becomes LORD BATMAN
Wait wait wait, you'll kill both Joker and the repeated savoir of the city because he won't?
Gordon....you're a fucking idiot.
>>64944951
Make him obsess over stopping rape in DC universe
I fucked Barbara, Gordon.
I am sorry.
>>64944766
Kek
>>64944725
>Autopsy reveals that it was an innocent man with a Joker disguise
>Joker planted a decoy to be caught
>Joker knew that some of the cops in that area would be willing to shoot
>Cop is driven insane by the guilt
>Suicide
>Joker taunts Batman with it during their next fight
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see this happen.
>>64944725
>>64945149
>'i had no choice, he resisted. Also he had a bag of skittles.'
>cop gets paid leave
>>64945129
Christopher Dorner is that you?
>>64944872
Yeah, he has temptations, but is worried that if he starts he won't be able to stop. He doesn't trust himself. If he kills the Joker, he might find it easier to kill Two-Face next time, and then Penguin, and Riddler, and so on and so on, until he's killing random mooks who could easily stay locked up if he turned them in, or just letting the power go to his head and killing anyone he doesn't like even if they aren't violent. This is part of why he has the Justice League and Bat-Family around. They'd stop him if he was ever going to do that shit.
>>64944279
so why doesn't GORDON than kill him? Why put responsibility on a civilian?
>>64944409
When you're dealing with a rabid dog, the humane thing to do is to put it down.
DID YOU .... DID YOU KILL HIM....IN THE END...COUGH
PLEASE...TELL...ME...HE..IS...GONE...Don't worry, I put him in Arkham, he is safe there
YOU....MOTHER...FUCKER.....AUHHHH-------
>>64945191
Twist is he becomes the major rapist in the DC universe.
>>64945227
Yeah that's how it would go down, but with Batman going nuts because he knew the Joker wasn't dead but nobody believes him
>>64944789
>shit b8
What, were we having a serious discussion or something?
>>64945311
This, basically. Gordon is the Commissioner. If he put one between the Joker's eyes in the middle of one of his crimes, especially if he directly saved someone's life, who besides Batman would be anything but glad?
Even Batman would probably get over it, especially if he wasn't there to stop Joker.
>>64945537
Nah, just some Republican fantasy thread.
>killing solves everything
Leave it to me Gordon.
>>64944693
Sounds like shit. Pls go away.
>>64944279
Whatever, Jim. It's not like those orphans had anything to live for anything...
Robot Chicken had the right idea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfH3bDPNGHw
>the whole "Joker's Face" thing.
Do they expect this to be a lasting thing? I mean, that face is gonna rot to nothing in a year or so... is The Joker gonna go without a face henceforth?
>>64945850
he'll jump in a vat of chemicals and grow a new face
>Why doesn't Batman just Kill the Joker?
>Why doesn't Superman just Kill Luthor?
>Why doesn't Magento just Kill the x-men?
>Why doesn't _____ just Kill ______?
Yeah yeah yeah.
In reality, if anything remotely similar to Batman vs Joker happened, and the vigilante who captures the murderer will not kill the murderer, and the murderer is obviously going to escape or something, then the cops will eventually just take it upon themselves. There wouldn't be an order from the higher-ups. He'd just die of mysterious circumstances.
And none of that matters because they can't kill off one of the most popular villains. Really they can't kill off most villains in general.
Which means that the problem isn't that Joker gets away with everything he does, it's that they have Joker murder dozens of people per day to shock the reader. They really should give up one or the other, even the biggest fan of grimdark stuff can see the plothole plain as day.
>>64946215
This. Joker would just die in a "mysterious fire" like Chris Dorner.
>>64944279
Gordon you senile old fuck. They don't throw him in Blackgate. Arkham Asylum doesn't keep him locked up. The legal system doesn't execute him. The other 1000 caped crusaders on this planet don't take it upon themselves to murder him nor do the other superhuman villains he's crossed. And yet out of all the options for dispatching the problem you choose me. Because I'm the one you can call with a little light and yell at.
Stop looking for someone to scapegoat for your own failures. I could prevented Joker from this monstrosity? So could you. Oh wait I guess because you're a lazy ass with a corrupt force of lowlifes you can't do something as simple as put a bullet through him before he rapes a kid.
Maybe if you weren't so busy scrapbooking Babs would still have a functional lower half. Or was that my fault too for not strangling Joker the time I caught him before that? Or was it yours for not executing him in his cell where he was defenseless?
Christ Gordon, take your pills and take a nap.
>>64944279
>or i will take care of you both.
Why is he threatening batman? He's not a cop, he helps them because he's a nice guy.
Why doesn't Gordon kill his psycho of a son?
>>64944279
>>64946652
Eh... because he's working for Task Force X?
>>64945005
>cyborg
>jla
Lel
>>64945227
That would piss me off and turn me off from his comics forever.
The Joker cannot have that level of preparation. It makes the story boring and without any tension. It basically says "we'll use any cop-out necessary, even if it sacrifices story integrity."
>>64944417
Box ghost pls,
You're unwell, Jim. I can see your heartbeat. Hear the wheezing of your lungs. Those cigars are killing you, but what's worse is the stress. You aren't aware of what you're saying.
I can't kill the Joker. I would love nothing more than to put him down like the dog he is, but those aren't our rules. Yours, and mine. What I do skirts the edges of law and order, and it's been that way since the day I put this mask on. And you told me yourself, once, that you tolerate what I do because I walk that line without going to the far side.
I subdue criminals. I leave them for you to arrest, but that's all I can do. I can't detain them. I can't try them. And, God help me, I can't kill them. The moment I do, I shatter the back of the law we've both sworn to honor.
You've had a long night, Jim, so I'd suggest you get some sleep. But before you go, I want you to ask yourself: why does the Joker always make it back your jails safely? Why hasn't a squad car ever lost control in the rain, and skidded off a high road? Why hasn't an accidental discharge from your sidearm blown his demented brains over a wall? Why hasn't he been "trampled" underfoot in the dozen jailbreaks he's led, amid the chaos? I don't kill, Jim, because we've both agreed this was for the best.
What's YOUR excuse?
>>64945227
>>64946937
You fucking casuals have never read Legends of the Dark Knight #50, have you?
>>64945850
i thought he put the face in preservative or something
>Shadowland
>Bullseye kills 400 people by blowing up some apartment building
>Daredevil fucking kills him finally
>next 10 issues is nothing but "WHY MATT. WHY? WHAT HAVE YOU BECOME? WHO ARE YOU? YOU ARE A MONSTER"
>>64947291
>Turns out I was being controlled by a demon! Now let's fight!
Boy that pissed me off something mighty. If you're gonna set up a halfway decent moral conflict like that, don't cop the fuck out of it.
>>64947159
take it easy
>>64947291
I imagine the writers laughing their asses off as they script out that drivel. I know I wouldn't be able to keep a straight face
>>64947229
A crazy girl found it in a sewer and wears it around everywhere
Why is paralysis never an option?
How is locking someone up in prison for life any more moral than disabling them?
At least this way they literally wouldnt be able to break out of prison 30 times and kill a thousand more people.
Snap their necks, paralyze them and put them in lower security where they can watch TV, read etc
>>64947108
My excuse?
My excuse is that I thought you were supposed to be the one to clean Gotham.
People do not see you as a hero.
People DO NOT want you yo be a hero.
They want you to be the chemo for the cancer plagueing this city
Tell me, do you really think I let you roam free because of some stupid "justice"?i thought you would do the things I simply cannot do.Besides...it is your responsibility.
Before you appeared all we had were crooks and mobs.Poison Ivy?Killer Croc?Joker?They appeared when you started your little crusade.
You failed me on all accounts.
Either you will start fixing your mistakes or I will have to cut your wings Batman.
>>64944734
Well.......
Even a rightwinger like Chuck Dixon knows it'd be stupid.
>>64947291
Shadowland is considered crap for a reason.
>>64947341
Shut up, GotG fan.
>>64947369
Andy Diggle is his name.
>>64947587
When did you become so crooked, Gordon?
>>64947369
Honestly, I'd blame the environment as much as I'd blame the writer. Diggle is perfectly capable of writing morally grey protagonists, but if Shadowland had been 100% Matt's work, it'd risked breaking the character for any future iterations, regardless of how much sense it made. Having it be the work of some evil demon possessing Matt is having their cake and eating it, a story about conflicting feelings and hard questions that still leaves a way out that doesn't tarnish Matt, but damn if that cake doesn't leave a bad aftertaste.
>>64947739
The day Batman fucked my daughter.
>>64947828
You act like status quo can change in comics.
He literally just left for a year then came back and everything was hunky dunky.
Nobody cared he was a psycho murdering dictator that declared marshall law in a small section of new york after like... issue 5
No problem commissioner Gordon.
You know that my rouges gallery keeps on getting thinner and thinner.it seems that some just fall off the face off the earthschway
>>64944279
"Kill him yourself Gordan, I aint the law"
/Batsmirk
>>64947900
Yeah, you never were very lucky as a dad. How's Jim Jr. doing, by the way?
>>64944409
Batman wouldn't care if Gordon shot Joker so long as it was justified by law, which, with Joker it probably would be. Batman doesn't go around the GCPD taking their guns away and telling them they can't use deadly force. He just don't believe people who act outside of the law can.
>>64947961
No Batman = No Joker
>>64945976
Magneto doesnt kill the XMen because he believes deep down that Charles will come see the light eventually and join his side.
Superman doesnt kill Luthor because that would be an alien interfering with Earthican justice.
Batman doesnt kill the Joker because hes a chickenshit.
>Batman is a subtle commercial for the death penalty
>>64948077
>mutants and aliens shouldn't kill
>humans should
You want a Nobel with that?
>>64948114
Human justice for human affairs
>>64948114
No, thats their reasoning. I think death should happen constantly in a world where people can hurl trucks thousands of feet.
>>64948126
OK, let humans with authority carry on with human justice then.
Gordon? Judges? Why are you all running?
>>64947587
>Turning the best character in Batman comics into a mouthpiece for your shitty nothing arguments
>>64944279
Because Fanboys will bitch and cry and scream BAT OF MURDER
>>64944279
Does someone have a collection of this "Why don't you just kill the Joker, Batman?" by Gordon thing?
Whenever it shows up I always smile, and the escalation is ridiculous.
>>64944693
This is a bad story born from a classic misunderstanding of the characters. Batman doesn't resist killing the Joker because "lol homolust," but because Batman is worried that if he started killing criminals (particularly with the worst of them), he would never be able to stop. The romantic part of the Batman/Joker relationship comes entirely from the side of the Joker, and is actually quite narcissistic. Joker is in love with Batman as a reflection of himself, not for who Batman is.
>>64948077
Then Magneto an Superman are just as fucking stupid.
>>64948324
Pretty much.
>>64948077
>Superman doesnt kill Luthor because that would be an alien interfering with Earthican justice.
Superman doesn't mind interfering with Earthican justice as much as he doesn't like vastly changing the course of history, aside from stopping immediate deaths and injuries, which includes saving the planet or universe pretty often.
He also doesn't kill Luthor because he knows Luthor is an incredibly talented person and he wants to believe he can become good one day. I'm pretty sure this was canon Pre-Crisis, that Luthor would eventually become Superman's greatest ally. The Legion knew but they would never say anything because they're dicks.
>>64948808
That and Luthor tends to have enough pull to destroy Superman at least in terms of reputation if he tries anything without solid proof
>>64947938
Terry really is the hero Gotham deserves.
imagine if Rorschach was in current DC Universe
he would have end up killing lots of villains
>>64948287
I assumed it was more some kind of fucked up Hyppocratic oath thanks to his father.
Batman no only resists killing because he's afraid it'd send him over the edge but he stops killing and death because he believes in an obligation to stop apparent imminent death even if that means hypothetical future death which he'd still try to stop anyways.
Though really it's not his responsibility.
If Cops want Joker dead it's their job to kill him.
Depending on writer.
>>64944547
Somebody did hire Deadshot to kill Joker in Kevin Smiths Cacophony series. Though Onomatopoeia stopped him.
>>64944279
ya know as rich and smart as Bruce is suppose to be you'd think he could build a better prison or something to hold the Joker so he doesn't break out every other week
>>64949598
While it definitely has to do with the death of his parents, I don't think he took that oath because his father was a surgeon. I think it's more of a "stare too long into the abyss and it stares back" thing. Y'know, becoming what you hunt, etc. etc.
I would say Batman doesn't refrain from killing out of some sense of self-righteousness, but because he fears for his own soul.
>>64949598
Batman was a cold-blooded son of a bitch in the Golden Age. The "No killing. No guns." is a holdover from Silver Age Batman, which was camp as all fuck. The problem is writers want this Batman while still keeping the stories as grimderp as possible, which leads to it being fucking retarded.
>>64949692
...actually yeah, why the fuck DOESNT Bruce build a fucking prison for super villains?
>>64949692
The Joker is practically the trickster god (pick your pantheon) incarnate. No cell will hold him forever.
>>64949778
See
>>64949813
If a super-prison capable of holding all the world's villains forever COULD exist, it already would, but it can't so it doesn't.
>>64944279
There's only one guy with balls to take care of business permanently
Ok. So how does one kill the joker?
Knives, guns, chemicals, acids, crushing rocks/machinery, falling out of an airplane with no parachute, bombs, NUCLEAR BOMBS, have been tried, he just gets back up with no injuries within a day.
How do you kill someone who can simply re-appear after being vaporized by a 10 megaton thermonuclear explosion?
>>64949844
I know many of you would ask what happens next, so...
>>64949844
Then comes a Batarang out of nowhere to knock Castle out, because Bruce can't live without his one true love.
>>64949765
>Batman was a cold-blooded son of a bitch in the Golden Age.
Only in the very first stories. Robin was introduced under a year after Batman, and he had already been toned down a lot by then. A few months later and, nope, they didn't kill anymore.
>>64949842
>If a super-prison capable of holding all the world's villains forever COULD exist, it already would, but it can't so it doesn't.
>>64949778
He's friends with Superman, he has access to the Phantom Zone. He could do it if he wanted.
>>64944673
who is Haley
>>64949778
>>64949692
Bruce does actually put money into better security, but money can only do so much
>>64949912
Yeah, because the Phantom Zone NEVER fails to keep its inmates in. There has never been a storyline (multiple?) about it doing JUST THAT.
It doesn't work, no matter how you slice it. If SUPERMAN were capable of constructing a prison that could contain all the DC universe's baddies, he would have ALREADY DONE SO.
It hasn't been done because it can't be done.
>>64949953
2nd one from the back.
>>64949848
>yfw Joker was super powered all along
>>64949995
Most Phantom Zone criminals are let out on purpose by Superman because their time is up. There are only a few times they get out otherwise.
>>64949848
What if... what if "The Joker" is merely a symbol, donned by many different people, all with the same chaotic beliefs
>>64944279
I hand-wrapped him and dropped him off for you.
Why didn't you kill him, you ungrateful fuck?
>>64949953
He owns the circus.
>>64949880
Close enough, He tells Joker to GTFO and run for his life...
>>64950004
Man, comicbooks sure aren't good anymore.
>>64949995
I don't know. We certainly see Zod escaping less often than Joker escaped from Arkham.
>>64949848
This particular issue occurred because the writer in question was bitter about DC shutting down his idea of permanently killing off the Joker (well, as "permanently" as that term can get in the world of comics). Inadvertently however, it ended up showcasing one aspect of the Joker quite neatly: he's not entirely of this world. We should all already understand this by the time we find out he took a bath in acid and came out relatively alright, but for some reason people still consider Joker to be just a psychopath with a clown fetish. He is, for all intents and purposes, a malevolent trickster god.
>>64949977
Problem is that post's reference is Arkham Asylum: Living Hell, yes Arkham Asylum is built over a hellmouth, but that series also showed that Arham Asylum's hiring practices is "go to bar/bus depot, hire random drunks willing to beat up prisoners" and fake their credentials. Arkham Asylum's staff is literally made up of incompetent hobos.
>>64949876
>The Joker pissing himself
Holy shit this is great
>>64950046
>>64950115
See, the both of you have kinda defeated your argument in your posts. You both mention how "only a few get out" or "Zod escapes less often," but the important part of all that is that it HAPPENS. There are no unbreakable super-prisons. They wouldn't be goddamn super-villains if you could just toss them in a cell and throw away the key. That's what you do to REGULAR villains.
>>64950179
Well I'm being generous because I doubt I've read every phantom zone story ever. In the New 52 we don't know how Doomsday got out originally but it seems like he was maybe almost powerful enough to do it himself (I think he got help the current time). So if you put a human in there it will be fine.
>>64950179
so heres my question as a third party:
Why dont we throw arkham into the phantom zone
and then throw the phantom zone into ANOTHER phantom zone?
Just have an endless fucking pocket of phantom zones and keep stuffing phantom zones in.
>>64950221
I agree, if you tossed a normal human into the Phantom Zone, they would be hard pressed to escape without outside help. However, the Joker is about the furthest thing from a normal human that it's possible to be without actually being from another planet.
>>64944766
Kind of funny.
>>64950242
Because then the villains would inevitably get hold of something called the Phantom Lance (I'm ass-pulling here, much like comic book writers do) which allows them to simultaneously puncture each layer of this Phantom Zone matrix and clear a path to real space, thus escaping.
Basically, no prison/alternate dimension/fortress can hold supervillains forever because otherwise there would be no more stories.
>>64949876
How does batman know who frank castle is? Seperate universes and all that.
>>64949778
Well Peter Parker is doing that now. Let's see how that fucks up, because Marvel will never let Spidey be successful.
>>64950302
Crossover books. Happened once or twice. Normal comic book rules are suspended.
>>64950151
>>64950255
Well Kryptonians can't seem to get out without help, and Joker ain't shit compared to them. Putting Joker on Doomsday's level is nuts.
>>64950302
Marvel comics exist in the DCU. Marvel and DC have crossed over canonically several times. This isn't one of those times, it's just non-canon and don't worry about it.
>>64950340
Even Castle got it right...
>>64950004
So is it confirmed that those really ARE other Harley Quinns, and Joker didn't just kill a bunch of random women in Harley's age group and put them in the clothes?
>>64950356
Yeah, putting Joker on the same physical level as Doomsday is surely madness. But Joker doesn't need to use brute strength to escape, that's never been his forte anyway (he's a good fighter and fast, but has never been portrayed as physically powerful). The Joker would inevitably find some way to cheat the system and escape. He's the trickster god, it's kinda what he does.
To be clear, I'm not some guy with a huge boner for Joker. I'm just saying what we all know would happen should this take place in comics.
>>64950356
>Marvel comics exist in the DCU. Marvel and DC have crossed over canonically several times.
I read one of my Sensational Spider-Man trades, and Spidey mentioned Batman an awful lot.
>>64950401
The only thing about that story arc that is confirmed is that it was bad and Snyder should feel bad.
>>64945478
what the fuck is he doing to him?
>>64950466
Which Spidey trade was that?
>>64950508
Trying very hard to not kill him. Joker is only saved in this issue by the intervention of Gordon.
>>64950433
Well duh. But if we're thinking too meta we might as well not talk about it, because we all know what's going to happen on a meta level.
>>64950466
Marvel and DC Comics exist in each others' universes. This could theoretically mean someone from DC could read a Marvel comic where someone mentions that Clark Kent is Superman and figure it out... but don't worry about it.
>>64950296
okay, okay, sounds reasonable, so how about THIS:
We toss the Phantom Zone Pancake into...wait for it...AN OCEAN? If its too far down, then when they try to resurface theyll go pop!
ITS PERFECT!
>>64945771
>mess with the bull....
What did joker think would happen when messing with an unstable alien with godlike powers? That his buttbuddy batman who has no real way to stand up to said alien would save him somehow?
>>64950617
AND THEN WE TOSS THE OCEAN INTO A PHANTOM ZONE!
Just put the whole world, including the Phantom Zone Generator, in the Phantom Zone, but leave the villains out.
>Joker finally dies
>Goes to Hell
>The Devil just gives him demon powers and he gets resurrected
Does Joker have Time Travel Exemption clause like Hitler?
Like if Terry went back in time and killed Joker, would it create a horrible ripple effect?
>>64944279
this isn't actual comic dialogue right
you are just making this up yes
right
>>64950818
No, that's from an actual comic.
Yeah.
>>64944400
Yes. One of those threads that someone puts up almost everyday. you know, like 'man of murder', and now "GOTG sucked because the batteries in hos tape cassette should have warn out and now I cant sleep at night waaaan". ah, internet fanboys. nothing if not predictable.
Joker is still around because he is probably the #1 most popular villain. he will never really die, and if he does he'll be back. deal with it.
>>64945470
Bruce's smirk just sells it
>>64950617
Black Manta.
Checkmate.
Take DC. Replace Batman with the Punisher.
What happens?
>>64951140
DC goes out of business.
>>64945806
I never realized that was a The Green Mile reference.
I feel stupid.
>>64951140
Nothing, because he can't take out anyone important
>>64951140
"The Punisher Kills the DC Universe"
:-)
>>64944517
>Implying Batman could ever hope to defeat Alfred.
>>64951227
He could take out pretty much every Batman villian.
>>64944334
Gordon has had multiple opportunities to kill the Joker, and everytime he had a completely valid excuse to do so.
Unfortunately, Jokers plot/fanboy armor means no one can ever permanently kill him, and any character with even a shred of morality will refuse to kill the Joker for some incomprehensible reason.
Have there even been any battles between Catwoman and the Joker?
>>64951229
>Punisher takes out Superman
I'd pay for that.
>>64951309
But they're all big villains, so he won't
>>64951316
Damn. That's a good joke, son.
>>64951348
let me go ahead and spoil that one for you, Kryptonite tipped tracer rounds
you shoot superman a few times with the regular gun and he shows off showing how he's bulletproof then you get to the kryptonite rounds.
>>64951350
They are only big villians because they're Batman's. Being tied to Punisher would make them "meh" villians, also ded.
>>64951374
Explain.
>>64951416
but thats the boring side, the interesting side is how do you actually hit him? Kryptonite powder in the air? Kryptonite flashbang?
>>64951350
At least Ennis had the balls to create 2 of the most memorable and funny villains: The Russian and Barracuda and dispatch them...
>>64951445
The Oracle.
Or read the Killing Joke.
>>64951446
You don't. you let him think you are a common thug and a mercenary so he lets you hit him. Superman has a history of showing off that he's bulletproof to common thugs.
play it off as a common thug and he will literally let you shoot him.
>>64951497
I'd like to see the War Journal entry about Supes' face when the kryptonite round hits him.
>>64951476
But Batman never killed Joker in TKJ. And I'm pretty sure Gordon told Batman specifically not to kill him just so Joker wouldn't get the satisfaction.
>>64951547
Are you retarded?
I'm not replying your text, retard.
>>64951416
> you shoot superman a few times with the regular gun and he shows off showing how he's bulletproof then you get to the kryptonite rounds.
My solution as well
Superman is fast enough to see that the bullets are Kryptonite and move out of the way.
>>64951664
Because Superman has NEVER been caught by surprise by sudden kryptonite.
That has never happened.
>>64951664
Assuming Super is looking at the bullets; in these situations he looks at the thug's faces to see the moment they realise bullets don't hurt him.
>>64951698
You generally need lead boxes or something, but then it's gotten to the point where he knows if there's a lead box, chances are there's kryptonite in it.
>>64951497
Can't he just see the Kryptonite inside the gun?
>>64951767
Trace elements of lead in the magazine of an AK.
gotta figure lead being inside cheap chinese guns and magazines is something supes deals with a lot.
>>64951751
But he's still caught by surprise! Constantly! It's like, "whoops, kryptonite again, down I go!"
Or shit, someone could just mind control him. Again.
>>64951767
Many times he was surprised with kryptonite coming out of nowhere. And he could expect such tricks from super villains, not a street thug.
It is like going to the doctor with symptoms of a flu, he is not going to order tests for Ebola
>>64951857
no, nothing like that. Lead ends up in a lot of consumer products, especially from china. wouldn't be hard to get a chinese gun.
I bet supes gets super annoyed by all the chinese products in american stores now. almost as bad as ancient greece with all the lead.
>>64951857
Naw, he's really not. In fact, I'm having a hard time thinking of a new 52 story where he is affected by Kryptonite at all, except for when Metallo first showed up, which was at the beginning of his career. Maybe Kryptonite Man also showed up or something. And even then, those are supervillains who happen to have Kryptonite as part of their powerset, not just someone holding a piece of Kryptonite.
Kryptonite is really overstated by people who don't actually read the stories.
>>64951897
I would think he would scan the gun just because it's dangerous and it's good to just do a simple check.
I mean, his body is built for that kind of fact checking.
>>64951846
I guess that might stop him.
>>64951929
I wasn't trying to say that kryptonite is the "easy button" Superman weapon. It's not, but he IS constantly surprised by it, unless we're talking ONLY about New 52 Supes which seems kinda dumb to me.The easy-mode Superman weapon is mind control.
>>64951967
No, if we're talking Pre-Flashpoint Kryptonite is even less of an issue. it was established that he had built up significant immunity to it and everything, so it really wasn't that big a deal.
>>64951967
To clarify, I don't see why we should ignore the breadth of Superman's existence because someone decided hitting the reset button would make some money. That has happened before, it will happen again. If that gives you cause to invalidate stories that came before then or makes them lesser creations in your eyes, I would say you probably won't enjoy reading comics very much.
>>64948077
That always annoyed me. Why does superman think of himself as an alien when he grew up as clark kent?
>>64951995
>it was established that he had built up significant immunity to it and everything
This only happened in All-Star Superman.
And he was dying.
What if Zatanna or Man Hunter used their magicy shit to make Joker not crazy?
>>64952112
That has been attempted before, by no less than the Spectre. It didn't work very well.
>>64952033
No, I wasn't trying to say we should ignore all of his existence, I was saying that in the last three years, Kryptonite has almost never come up. The only time it became significant was recently when Sam Lane covered the entire earth in a Kryptonite fog, which wouldn't kill Superman, it would only weaken him enough that he couldn't control the Doomsday virus within him.
>>64952071
No, I don't mean he was completely immune to it, but it would affect him less than regular Kryptonians who don't have his experience. He wouldn't just immediately die because of it.
For a reference, remember in Infinite Crisis when he and Kal-L were fighting Superboy-Prime (wearing Anti-Monitor armor) and flew through Rao, landing on Mogo, who had covered himself in Kryptonite? Kal-El only lost his powers, he didn't die, and that was some serious shit. Way more than just a simple Kryptonite rock.
>>64952037
He doesn't. Not since Man of Steel anyway. He's considered himself primarily earthling for almost 30 years.
>>64952112
Batman would create a giant satellite with the power to create a bunch of superpowerful cyborgs to kill all metahumans.
Also, I think J'onn tried to reach into his mind before. Joker was too crazy for him to control it for long.
>>64952319
>Also, I think J'onn tried to reach into his mind before. Joker was too crazy for him to control it for long.
That's dumb.
>>64952292
That's dumb, too. Shit.
>>64952037
He doesn't.
It's just that it's pretty obvious to him that he's not from around here, given that he can kill people with a sneeze.
>>64944279
You know what I would like to see? Here's what I would like to see.
Batman catches and delivers all the insane, wacky crims to Gordon at Arkham, Gordon straight up kills them once Batman is gone, tells him they were put in super solitary.
Years pass as Batman starts having less and less to do, he can't channel his inner darkness into something productive.
He starts getting a bit weird, imagining the crims he used to put away.
Ends up committing small crimes in order to go to Gordon and be all "Look! Something happened, it's a job for me!"
This, like all addictions, escalates until Batman is staging elaborate and ridiculous crimes in order to make himself feel needed, while his inherent psychological issues come more and more to the surface.
It ends like a Joker versus Batman. Gordon can't bear to kill him, so he keeps locking him up, Batman keeps escaping, this continues until they both die of old age.
>>64952319
>Also, I think J'onn tried to reach into his mind before. Joker was too crazy for him to control it for long.
Joker is too crazy for one things and perfectly sane when it comes with his mater plans. I wish the writers would go one way or the other.
>>64952511
Batman is the world's greatest detective. He would figure out Gordon was doing it and turn him in because of it.
>>64952584
Nobody would care.
>>64952624
So when Gordon is found not guilty even though he clearly is, Batman would dedicate his time to bringing down the corrupt judges and juries that let him go, then turn him in again.
>>64952584
That could run parallel, Gordon having had enough of Batman's shit could just sling shit his way and it'd be like the whole Joker trying to frame Batman etc.
It'd work, and it'd be fun/I think original. I don't remember reading anything like it.
Plus nothing except Batman Beyond/of the Future dealt with Bruce's retirement and later years properly.
It needs to be done.
>>64952656
"Shut the fuck up, Batman."
>>64951547
Oracle. You know, Gordon's crippled daughter?
>>64952656
Which would lead to the public hating him, as Gordon did the job right, and again turn into Batman as a kind of villain, one that can't give up his fight for supposed justice but also can't really win.
>>64952730
He would be the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
>>64952766
Exactly.
>>64952511
That's actually a great idea for a indie story.
>>64952869
Thanks mate! Feel free to use it, if you're a writer. It'd be nice to read some fanfic stuff that wasn't "Bruce is actually a vampire" or the like.
>>64945005
What about his hordes of Robins, Batgirls, and other assorted allies?
...Actually, this could be an interesting story. Batman finally goes off the deep end, enforcing some weird Justice Lord/Kingdom Come style Gotham. It comes down to a shaky alliance of the Batfamily and the remaining Arkham villains to finally stop him.
...Actually that sounds like crap.
I'll show myself out.
>>64953002
Not at all. Read worst from the big 2 and paid for it...
>>64945289
find it hard to believe that a man who trusts himself to save Gotham almost single-handedly can't trust himself enough to resist temptation. Isn't it canon that Batman has Green Lantern corp level willpower?
>>64950126
This makes Batman not killing him make a bit more sense. Bruce didn't know at first so not killing him was still a decision, but he eventually deduced it. Joker took interest in Batman after being disinterested in mortal affairs for thousands of years. His goal is now to corrupt what he sees as the real "Super" Man.
>>64944279
So it's Batman's responsibility to kill criminals instead of bringing them in for the system to handle?
Great police work, Commissioner.
>>64944447
There was a story where Joker was gonna be executed, but Batman knew he didn't commit the crime he was being executed for and got him free. Joker thought that was a riot.
Batman would totally be cool with someone else killing the fucker but nobody does, everyone just bitches at him about it. Plus New Jersey doesn't have a death penalty.
>>64945005
Except all his stupid plans ended up failing even after they had been altered to be lethal
>>64952112
Combined the scene. Not sure on the quality.
>>64945850
Nope. We saw future Joker alive and with a face.
>>64955219
That's because Batman knew how to counter them, so I don't see what your point is
>>64944447
Of course he would. I mean ffs, Batsy was balling like a little bitch and the end of arkham city when joker died.
OH BATSY THANKS FOR THE SAVE.
>>64944447
Why hasn't every super villain ever been found guilty? They've all been captured at some point.
>>64945976
Why doesn't Love just kill Hate?
>Why isn't the Joker deadddd.
Firstly, sliding timelines mean NONE of these characters age or die. Joker has not killed thousands because how long has he existed?
The rough timeline for the New 52 is 5 years. Joker was the Red Hood created in Zero Year. When did the Joker actually appear though? Then - he killed people during whatever his first appearance was and then what? How many did he kill? Then how long was he banged up in Arkham for? Villains might be in there for a long time, for stories sake though it doesn't tell us these things. They get to the action.
>No kill ethics.
These conversations turn to SHIT. Grimdark/edgy have become massive buzzwords, heck even fun has become a buzzword - a meaningless description that doesn't mean much. The two extremes - grimdark or fun?
The truth is mature stories can be great, even fun. I love Grell's Green Arrow - that is mature. Edgy/grimdark is just a description for bad writing. Bad writing is bad. Obviously. Violence for the sake of it instead of adhering to a story is silly. Comics are not just for kids, they were for teens and older. They had mature themes - even some of the original incarnations were very noir/pulp.
>Plot armor.
You could say this about every single character in fiction. He is a popular villain. If you can't cope with characters surviving ridiculous feats then why read comics? Sure, a nice quality Elseworld about his death would be great. It is honestly, a silly complaint.
Ultimately - Superhero comic books have a cast of heroes and very rarely expand beyond. Unless someone could come up with an amazing new villain for Batman then we will keep seeing the old. Even then, I wish some characters had better stories. Mister Freeze, great in BTAS but he hasn't really had amazing stories in comics. Start writing for DC and change it is about all we can do.
>>64944951
>colt .45s
thats some good taste batman.
also, i would to see Frank Castle take a trip to gotham.
>"so mr. castle, you're a big hero today, but do you think you can kill me? The Joker? I bet you ca-"
>BLAM!
>Batman: "What did you do?!"
>Frank: "Permanently lower your cities murder rate by 20%, now if you excuse me, i have the other 80% to deal with."
>>64944279
>JOKER JUST KILLED 23 ORPHANS IN AN EXPLOSION THIS NIGHT
Who's gonna miss them?
>>64947291
you cant honestly right that in a world where the team that killed bin laden are fucking national heros.
i almost find it as an insult to the readers intelligence.
>>64947702
>Even a rightwinger like Chuck Dixon knows it'd be stupid.
considering the right is pro gun ownership and death penalty, i'd assume so.
its the left who i have doubts about in cases.
or you know...quakers.
>>64957029
He can't even bring down crime in New York and that place is filled to the brim with super heroes
>>64956844
Even with the five year timeline many characters act like Joker is one of the worst serial killers of all time, which would put his kill count in the hundreds.
Personally I like to think he first showed up as just a kind of eccentric criminal, then as his insanity got worse he progressed into Silver Age whacky asshole Joker, then into creepy ethics-less mob boss, and finally into sadistic murderer
>>64947997
yeah but no joker =/= no batman
if anything it'll be like
no joker = "Fucking shit i finally get a god damn vacation!" Batman
>>64948077
>Superman doesnt kill Luthor because that would be an alien interfering with Earthican justice.
but is clark kent, you know the PERSON Kal El is an actual citizen of earth and has a ful understanding of human laws?
there is a thing in the US called "Justifiable homicide" that even non citizens are allowed to act on.
....i think i just found out why all superheros are based in places OTHER than the midwest and southern US.
>>64957201
>Even with the five year timeline many characters act like Joker is one of the worst serial killers of all time, which would put his kill count in the hundreds.
Yeah but few hundred is not thousands and the common complaint is - why is Joker still around if he killed X000s!
>Personally I like to think he first showed up as just a kind of eccentric criminal, then as his insanity got worse he progressed into Silver Age whacky asshole Joker, then into creepy ethics-less mob boss, and finally into sadistic murderer
Personally I consider Morrison's view (see picture).
This view works more than psychotic murderer. Why? Because it actually makes him seem crazy and redeemable (well by that I mean - he seems like psychiatric help could help). He isn't murdering people 24/7.
>>64949885
Didnt he use a gun before and after that though?
>>64950094
they're definatly not "comic" anymore.
>>64957293
>he doesn't know about Luthor's political pull
Good luck pinning a murder on Luthor and making it stick
>>64949876
fuck you batman!
let frank work!
he's probably the one guy who can literally scare the piss out of any and all comic book characters.
>>64944430
But he'll dodge using the middle stick or by tilting the mouse
>>64950340
joker would then go on to kill a store owner so he could grab some new pants.
making batman...an accessory to murder
>>64957324
I always got the impression that the problem is Batman isn't always supported. Some people will obviously believe that he creates the villains in Gotham.
Also: how many people in psychiatry would jump at a chance to study him?
Batman works within the system and they want him to live - because he is crazy.
>>64957471
>>64957324
Is ineffectual liberal psychiatrists in a lot of Batman comics?
When did the nut take over the nut house.
>>64957517
>Is ineffectual liberal psychiatrists in a lot of Batman comics?
*Are
