>mfw rewatching TLA when i finally get to book 2 episode 6
is toph the greatest character in the history of ever?
yes
She's completely shallow character created by simply mixing blind master cliche with a rebellous daughter stereotype.
She's funny and cute and all, but she's not a good character.
I've always wondered this. In The Swamp, when the Gaang is seeing the people they lost, the people they loved, why did Aang see Toph?
>>64547134
swamp magic I aint gotta explain shit
>>64546747
No.
She's a shitty pedo pandering character. Also has the same overused "tough chick with a heart of gold" gimmick. She's nothing special, and never was.
>>64547056
>Dat schlick
All my boners
>>64547193
>pedo pandering
you made me remember this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3segeBOdao
>>64547134
He was seeing his future. That's what the swamp guy said. It doesn't really make much sense though
>>64547134
Destiny and spirits and shit.
Cuz she so KAWAII
>>64548092
/thread
Reminder, Toph was supposed to be the Bolin of Avatar
>>64547134
Swamp magic, in that episode they were explaining that time has no meaning. Aang was seeing into his near future.
>>64547085
By this set of standards, has there ever been a good character who wasn't merely a mixture of other archetypes?
>>64548552
Well, archetypes are archetypes, and you can't escape it, but this is just too blatant and lacking substance.
Beside her introductory running away, she didn't have any kind of inner conflict or development, she's very flat.
It's not bad, she's not qualified for best character competition.
>>64548585
I don't think "best character" has to inherently mean "most developed" character. It can simply mean a character whose execution was done in a way that made them entirely likable.
>>64548585
> she's not qualified for best character competition.
The best character is always the one who is the most popular. It doesn't matter how deep or complex the character is, all that matters is how many people like said character. Toph isn't the best character because she isn't more popular than characters like Zuko or Katara.
>>64546747
because Jessie Flower is a babe.
>>64548645
I just think it's not the point. It's kinda cheating out. Like putting granite statue in endurance competition. She's just two likeable traits and nothing in-between.
>>64546747
She is a good character. Creating the blind gimmick but giving her the personality of a tomboy who hated her life as a princess really worked out. She could of grown in any direction but you really ended up loving her by the end of the series.
>>64547085
Blind master cliche to an extant. Most of them are wise stoic stereotypes. You got to see growth and watch her become a better earthbender as well. She was far from shallow.
>>64548585
I agree with this
Toph was loads of fun, but she was a rather flat character with comparison to the likes of Sokka or Zuko.
The moments where she's on screen are definitely entertaining, but she isn't very engaging character
>>64548716
And? It wasn't a question of "who is the most developed character in Avatar with the longest and most pronounced character arc?" It was basically "Why is she so awesome?"
>>64548687
how old is she now
>>64548822
She's dead
>>64548861
No, she is not. She still alive, it's been confirmed in episode 5
>>64548861
>not confirmed.
she's missing
>>64547134
The future thing as some anon said
Also there had been an idea thrown about that The Avatar's Trainers are resurrected with them, and she was the soul of a previous Earth Bending Teacher. Which also ties in with the fact that the design for Roku's teacher was what Toph was originally supposed to look like before they changed her design
>>64548893
Missing can mean dead
Dead like the Korra series after Book 3
Deal like the Avatar franchise after Korra and Shamallamadingdong
>>64548947
She ain't missing, you idiot. She travels the world
>>64548917
>Roku's teacher
Kyoshi?
>>64549001
She was a previous Avatar
There was a flashback episode in season 3 where we saw how Roku learned Earth, Water, and Air bending
His Earth Bending Teacher's design was based off of the original design idea for Toph
>>64548981
and hasnt been seen in years, presumed dead or missing Dumbfuck Pleb RTard Noob XD
>>64549056
That's it! Come here bitch. We do it 1 on 1
>>64548861
the voice actor dumbass
>>64547134
It was "the person they wanted to be with most". Aang was seeking an Earthbending teacher so he saw his future one.
>>64549081
>>64549056
>>64548981
>>64548947
>>64548893
>>64548911
>>64548861
You do all realize that >>64548822 was asking about Jessie Flower, not Toph.
She's 19 btw.
>>64549154
Doesn't matter. We do it 1 on 1 fag
>>64549154
>>64549154
Now that shes older Zone should make another Toph flash, maybe shes a fan and will do voice work
She's cute. Would cuddle/10
>>64549247
Oh you!
>>64549154
I wish there were more pictures of her from comic con
>>64549444
How about the whole video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O7aiiIcUZU
>>64549504
not enough
>>64546747
Well, the young version, yeah.
Then they made her a skank in Korra Season 3.
~
I miss you young Toph.
do you remember?
>>64550414
You couldn't imagine the things I remember.
>>64546747
Has the animation aged well? As a kid I remember loving it but as I grew up some of the magic of animation has worn off and I'm more aware of animation flaws.
>>64547134
I always assumed that Toph was a reincarnation of a past Avatars companion/lover. A lot of fans think she's Ummis reincarnated spirit
i never really thought toph needed a major character arc, and in fact i like her more for it. she's the one main character that knows exactly who she is and what she wants. she kicks ass and she knows it and that's that.
>>64546747
She was my first waifu, in my early teens.
>>64549154
>>64548671
>The best character is always the one who is the most popular.
Spongebob is the best character on Nickelodeon.
>>64549154
>That face
Shes seen all the toph r34, she knows people fap to it, and she doesnt even care
>>64551937
Hell. She occasionally looks at it too. Nothing's hotter than seeing a character you voiced getting fucked
>>64552379
Just ask Grey DeLisle.
>>64552411
>Grey asking the other VAs if they want to read erotic fanfiction
>Jessie agrees instantly, Dante is hesitant, and Jack and Mae don't give a shit
>>64552477
Those two are made for each other.
>>64548947
So dead it's getting another season.
>>64552477
>Mae and Jack agree, but they only want to read Sokka/Katara incest fics
>>64552477
What do you expect from a woman who gave Tupac Shakur a lapdance and has been announcing midget porn on Playboy TV for the last 20 years?
>>64553001
Grey is love
Grey is life
>>64553001
This is shopped right? Knowing Grey, I wouldnt be surprised if it wasn't
>>64552873
>together
>>64548645
>>64548671
>>64548585
Before going any further, "best character" should be defined, because clearly you all have different definitions, in this context.
Best developed/complex character? Zuko
Best likeable character?Iroh
Best most popular character?Cabbage merchant
>>64552983
But Toph can't "see" through liquid, so she shouldn't be able to see Sokkas junk
You guys are lucky then, she is into the nerdy type who has an obsession over her.
>>64549154
I went to a Con in Toronto six years ago. She was only 13, I was 21. I got to give her a big old hug. She clearly felt my raging boner, her facial expression changed slightly for a moment, but she said nothing, finished the hug and then sighed my book. So glad I never got arrested.
>>64555781
sounds like you should be reunited
Why didn't toph grow up to be a bodybuilder the way I always envisioned? I mean she was portrayed as huge and muscular in the ember island players.
>>64556166
Is the bra really necessary at that point?
>>64556166
Toph didn't lift.
So Toph and Aang banged behind Kataras back in their teen years and young adult years, right?
I mean, Lin is his daughter
>>64556309
I've talked to the women in that pic via email. She's really nice if you get to know her.
>>64556329
Should could have started lifting at the age of 17-18 or something.
>>64550492
>you are my world
>>64555107
he aint floatin buddy
>>64555596
What the fuck is that huge black blob in her head? A giant cancer or a hat?
>>64557556
The artist doesnt use texture for her bun. It does look weird as fuck
was she a case of the foot focus, /co/?
i mean scenes like these weren't really necessary, were they?
>>64558924
One of the animators had a foot fetish, I'm sure of it
>>64553001
>gave Tupac Shakur a lapdance
When did she say this?
>>64550311
>is too busy and dedicated to her job to cope with marriage
>a skank
>>64550524
It's SD and made by 3 different studios, so it's understandable.
>>64555107
Mud has earth in it.
>>64558924
>i mean scenes like these weren't really necessary
Absurd, Toph's feet is always necessary.
It is a feature.
I was just rewatching those shorts they did.
The VAs probably had fun recording those, especially the school one and Bending Battle
>>64562155
What shorts?
>>64562629
They did these chibi shorts when the series was going on. They made fun of the shipping, which was the better element, ect.
They were pretty good
>>64562718
That sounds fun, anyone have a link? Or at least a name I could Google?
>>64546747
Toph isn't even the best character in Avatar
>>64562846
Varrick reminded me of an even more eccentric Sokka. Maybe that's why I liked him so much
toph reminds me of Noodle from Gorillaz
>>64556166
because her design is based around the contradiction of petite size and massive strength, making her hueg would make her more generic
>>64559850
Seconded. I doubt shit like this was in the script.
I fucking loved Toph, TLA had so many good characters in general but something about her man..
>>64546747
She is a great character. And I FUCKING HATE that they fucked her up in the Legend of Korra, making her a nervous CHIEF of POLICE.
>>64563227
>nervous
lel no
>>64563227
I don't mind her being a Cheif of Police. It would make sense that Aang asked her to do it since she can keep order using intimidation.
The greatest non-Achillean bad-ass maybe.
>>64563227
I'm more annoyed by the fact that they introduced another daughter and made her a neglectful parent for plot/drama
Lin should have stayed an only child and Toph should have been reveled to be a shitty, but loving parent.
>>64563227
also a slut
>>64563538
Neglectful? That's certainly not what the backstory I saw portrayed. Giving your daughters too much freedom/not enough structure is not the same as "neglectful." It was pretty much implied that everything she did was for her daughters.
>>64563538
>made her a neglectful parent for plot/drama
Yeah, they also did same to Aang. Which is also weird, since Aang was never a guy who's so obsessed with 'DA BALANCE' and other boring stuff, he was a joyful and kind dude first of all.
>>64563670
Kya and Bumi suddenly revealing that Aang was neglectful to them seemed forced, if you ask me.
Aang would never ignore any of his children, legacy and bending be damned.
I think all of you are forgetting that people change from childhood to adult hood, and w/o the threat of war and shit that would definitely change a person's outlook as well...
>>64547193
>heart of gold
Seriously? Toph lacked heart a lot of times.
>>64563778
On the Book 2 commentary, Bryke said Kya and Bumi were misreading the situation and giving viewers the wrong impression. Aang wasn't neglecting them. He was taking Tenzin along on his Avatar-related business, feeling he would best be able to carry on Aang's legacy in the future.
Aang wasn't a neglectful parent. He just wasn't able to balance his role as Avatar and Parent as well as everyone would have liked.
>>64559896
http://www.earwolf.com/episode/voice-rolls/
>>64563945
At minute 20
>>64563912
It's still unnecessary family drama that Bryke has had a hard on for lately.
So, Toph and Aang banged behind Kataras back during their teen and early adut years, right?
Lin is his daughter after all
>>64563778
I agree
>>64563912
> Aang wasn't neglecting them. He was taking Tenzin along on his Avatar-related business, feeling he would best be able to carry on Aang's legacy in the future.
I just don't feel like Aang would put "legacy" and other airbender/avatar-related business over his children, over fun etc.
We remember him as a joyful avatar who could balance being a monk-boy who likes fun and never kills anyone, and being an avatar who needed to put an end to the firelord. He did it his own extraordinary way (thanks to the help of the turtle-lion ofc).
So I doubt that he wouldn't be able to be a good parent.
>>64564186
>good parents
Absurd. A parent is never good.
>>64564246
Unless they were killed by a firebender!
>>64564338
When are the republic city police going to catch this A. Firebender guy? He's gotta be pretty crafty if two generations of Bei Fongs haven't been able to smoke him out.
>>64564338
The only good parent, is a dead parent.
>>64564338
>We need to make these characters have sympathetic back stories
>Hm, how about they were unwanted as a child and their parents forced them out of their lives!
>Nah, too boring.
>…I'm just gonna throw this out there, but, how about the parents were killed by a firebender
>Give that man a promotion!
>>64563538
>Neglectful
No anon that means you never do shit for your kids. You may as well not be there. You don't feed or clothe them. This is never implied. However she gave her kids freedom. Not neglect, but she trusted them to become independent people and she never tried to force her own dreams/beliefs etc on her kids.
Not her fault her kids became fuck ups. See a neglectful mother wouldn't have cared that one of her daughters was involved in a crime.
>>64550622
>this whole post
Sometimes I forget how stupid people can be.
>>64563778
>Aang was neglectful
Kya and Bumi were brats who were mad because Tenzin got more attention than them. No he spent alot of time on tenzin so that he can pass on his airbender heritage to tenzin.
>>64564613
This. Kya and Bumi were just being jackasses. Remember how they laughed about bullying Tenzin as a kid?
>You guys are lucky then, she is into the nerdy type who has an obsession over her.
I haven't read any of the comics? Are they any good? Better than Korra I would hope.
Also is that who people are speculating was her first husband? I wonder what happened to him.
>>64564705
A lot of the stuff is dumb, like revealing where Ursa was, but the character interactions and the art are great.Aang did cut his ties with all the past Avatars though.It's probably the dumbest moment in the series
>>64564779
Wat.
How does that even work? I assume he gets it back since Korra has it?
>>64563995slut
>>64564953He cut off his connection with Avatar Roku in The Promise by destroying his Fire Nation medallion, and it's having a ripple effect with the other Avatars. Might be why Korra had so much trouble speaking with Aang.
>>64564953
It was basically Sozin and Roku 2.0 with Zuko and Aang, and Roku wanted him to do what he couldn'tAang didn't agree with Rokus stance on killing, so he cut his ties with him, but in doing so, he blocked out the rest of the past avatars as well.
Is there an infographic on this series? I watched it growing up, but forget a lot of it and plan to rewatch.
TLA, that is. And how do I get started on Korra?
>>64564958
>>64565065
Watch Korra first, you will probably enjoy it more that way. I watched book 1 of Korra before I went back and really watched TLA, was in the same boat as you.
>>64565065
i was in the same boat.
i watched Korra fully, then started my TLA rewatch and damn did i miss a lot of episodes as a kid.
>>64565214
you, i like you.
on another note, is there a better two episode stretch excluding the series finale than The Blind Bandit & Zuko Alone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y-USIEHOg8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfJgvB21DJU
Damn I miss that kind of fights. And times when White Lotus was not a buncnh of statists.
I never watched A:TLA (apart from seeing Tales from Ba Sing Se at a friend's house) because I didn't get Nick as a kid. I watched Korra episodes 1 and 2 because they were free on iTunes and was blown away, so I immediately went back and mainlined all of A:TLA in about two months while Korra was airing.
>>64565065
just watch it in order, shit
>>64564186
he's literally the only airbender in the entire world, his only chance to make sure that legacy does not die with him is to pass it on to the only other airbender
>>64566024
They did seem to get a lot more done when their primary membership was like six old dudes whose combined power could level armies.
So in that sense the Red Lotus is just some grey hairs away from honoring some of the best traditions of their parent organization.
>>64566024
They all sound a lot different than I remember them.
But yeah, with airbending they had a lot more creative liberty in making cleverly choreographed fights.
>>64566350
I think it's sped up.
Will we ever see Toph vs Bumi animated?
It was a fight for the ages that ended in a tie. A rematch must have happened
>>64564779
>spoiler
The fact that he's being told about it probably indicates that he's going to try and fix it.
>>64558924
Imagine if ATLA was animatedd by SHAFT, who constantly focus on eyes and feet. You'd probably never see anything of Toph above her knees.
>>64566451
MFW tlab sequel lok prequel all about Toph
>>64546747
She's the generic super powerful loli character. Nothing about her makes any sense but we're able to handwaive it away with "she's a cute little girl" and "this is a kids show".
But when they simply made Toph into a teenager and called her Korra..well...
Shit hit the fan.
>>64549154
She looks like Paris Jackson
>>64556166
This should have been the Toph of the future
>>64574918
Tophs reaction to her Ember Isalnd Player made the episode
>>64574016
>comparing Toph with Korra
>>64546747
yay toph thread
>>64547056
>Toph was able to "see" Sokka fucking Suki
>>64579227
She sees vibrations, she can see through things, including clothes, she can see anyone naked whenever she wants in 3D
>>64563538
Suyin's existence was implied in S1
>>64581837
Where?
>>64581837
Lin never even implied that she had a sibling in Book 1. I wouldn't be surprised if SuYin was thought of during the end of Book 2s production.
>>64581867
>>64582099
I'll see if I can find the clip but its in a scene where Lin and Tenzin are watching Korra probending. Lin says its hard to imagine that Aang reincarnated as Korra and Tenzin says she reminds him of someone when she was young. He then says something like "maybe you two would get a long if you just talked" and Lin looks off to the side and says "Maybe".
>>64582199
I'm pretty sure Tenzin was implying that Korra reminded Tenzin of Lin during their teen years. I could be wrong though.
>>64581867
>>64582099
>>64582244
Skip to 13:15. I know the nick player is fucking ass so you might want to look for another version
http://www.nick.com/videos/clip/legend-of-korra-106-and-the-winner-is-full-episode.html
>>64582392
I always imagined Lin being like her mother in her younger years and that's why Korra reminded Tenzin of her.
But that all changed with the dumb as fuck flashback in Book 3
>>64582557
But he mentions someone else
"you two might get along if you gave her a chance"
Who would be this other woman if not Suyin?
>>64548185
Is that Hit-Girl
>>64574016
What do you mean handwave?
She learned from the Earthbending creators and masters, the Badgermoles. Then she gets to routinely fight in secret at tournaments.
Technically her power growth is over a much longer period of time than fucking Katara who goes from useless tier to god tier in a fucking SUMMER.
>>64547085
It was a good mix that they played well, like in the ep where she cheats people out of their money. ATLA characters' strength rarely came from their standalone value; it came from the strength of their characterization and their relationships with each other.
>>64582621
He was talking about her and Korra getting along.
Don't you remember that Lin was cold towards Korra when she first arrived at RC?
>>64579746
She wasn't able to see anyone's face, so I gues she 'saw' only rough shape of things, enough to understand their borders and size.
>>64582882
Huh, that might be it. Its just that another Anon pointed me to the scene framing it as if though Tenzin was talking about Suyin and it made sense to me. The only way to know is to ask Bryke themselves I guess,
>>64574918
with a little pot of tea
