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Where did it go wrong?
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>>64337336
They tried to listen to the fans and put them together, but they're just not that good a fit. I think the only reason people thought they were was because they're both sort of alternative in appearance.

Duncan x Courtney is a thousand times better.
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http://www.freshtvinc.com/blog/total-drama-presents-the-ridonculous-race/

>It’s wild to think that the fans who watched the original Total Drama Island and stuck with us all these years are graduating from high school or already old enough for university. The Ridonculous Race is the result of feedback and suggestions from that dedicated fan base, which is how we know you’re going to love it! Right now we’re devoting all of our energy to taking the Total Drama universe to the next step and creating something that can live up to that dedication while still resonating with a new generation of fans as well.

Also Chris isn't hosting, but a guy named Don
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>>64340001
It could either pretty interesting or a disaster. If Chris was hosting I'd have higher immediate hopes.
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>>64337376
She was so in to Cody
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>>64337336
Didn't they break up?
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>>64343250
Yeah, Gwen broke up with him after realizing that he still has the hots for Courtney in All-Stars season.
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>>64343269
I thought it was because he'd gone from anti-hero to genuine prick.
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I regret watching this back in high school - 2008
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>>64343269
Ouch! That's cold bro.
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>>64340001
>The Ridonculous Race is the result of feedback and suggestions from that dedicated fan base

You see everytime a show listens to the fanbase, it's only towards romance bullhockey. Writers should really stop listening to the fans on anything and do whatever the hell they want.
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Here, /co/.

http://i.imgur.com/3Diopdu.png
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Fucking hipster shit. It's as fun as a cyanide pill. Heh heh.
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>>64345367
WHAT THE WHAT!?!
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Let me remind you that they could've work something out!
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>>64346277
Ella deserves someone WAY better than fucking DAVE.
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>>64346277
Ella was all about nature, Dave wanted to stay clean and avoid that shit. Ella cared about everything, Dave was self-absorbed, it wouldn't work out.
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>>64339892
Huh, I thought they only took audience feedback for deciding who the final winner is.
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>>64346365
You're right. I hope the writers pair her with some other boy next season.
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>>64346405
>Ella was all about nature, Dave wanted to stay clean and avoid that shit.
It's not like he had actual conditions, love would help him overcome his phobias.

But I agree that Ella's affection was purely superficial re-enactment of fairy tales. It's a shaky foundation.
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Still, I think it had more chance then Duncan and Courtney. Her affection was likely some kind of rebellion, but come on, she's one step away from wearing a business suit, what does she have in common with a petty crook?
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>>64337336
They broke up. Duh
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>>64340001
>Chris isn't hosting,
Time to kick Johnny law's big bad behind!
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I don't miss /co/, but I miss you Total Drama General!
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>>64349156
Eh, there's not much to talk about. It'll pick back up once there's a new season or when news comes out about this >>64340001
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>>64337336

When they tried to retcon it by saying Duncan and Courtney had already broken up before Gwen made the move in.

The most recent series was pretty good though. In a way, it's a shame they've trimmed it down to 13 episodes now, but I guess the longer series did have their fair share of filler.
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>>64340001
>Chris isn't hosting

I could deal with the annoying, obnoxious, hamfisted romances
I could deal with the one trick pony characters
I could deal with the same, stale jokes repeated infinitely

But fuck this.
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>that bad feel when Blaineley will never host TD.
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>>64346277
She's cute
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>>64350871
She's glorious.
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>>64342019
And into Cameron.
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>>64351031
I can just imagine Sierra giving both Cody and Cameron a rub on the foot like she always does
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I still haven't watched the PI finale, I just dislike Shawn and Sky too much
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>>64351323
True but i think the finale would have been better if Ella had Won
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>>64351541
I wanted Sammy to win so she could shove it in her sister's face
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Classic Scarlett or Psycho Scarlett?
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>>64351755
Classic, definitely. Too bad she had to transform to show her crazy.
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>>64351755
>Psycho Scarlett?
I think you mean Scarlett Destructo
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>>64351877
I prefer to imagine she her nerdy look is genuine and she just loses it in the time of excitement.
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>>64351755

Neither
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>>64350937
She's beautiful
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>>64346277
im so tired of the awkward nerd character
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>>64351755
Actually i prefer both
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>>64345367
>http://i.imgur.com/3Diopdu.png

Holy MOLY that's great
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Courtney is best girl
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>>64346365

She does (but she doesn't care)

my fanfic idea

Protagonistic Pangolins: Dave (people in-universe thought his actions were justified) Jasmine, Samey, Cody, Cameron, Gwen and Ella

Antagonistic Anteaters: Scarlett, Max, Amy, Heather, Al, Scoot/Sha-Lightning and Sky

Eccentric Echidnas: Sugar, Leonard, Owen, Izzy, Sierra, Shawn and Brick/Dawn

Plot points

>After being rejected by Leonard, Sugar goes after Owen, it doesn't end well for her (Due to the fact that Brainzilla dumped him, Izzy doesn't know that they broke up)
>Cody tries again with Gwen, believing he can "out-muscle" Cameron, it doesn't end well for him
>Dave moves on but Sky doesn't and develops a Sierra-style obsession for him
>Scarlett tries to make Al her sidekick causing a rift between him and Heather, while Max has to deal with a sidekick even more incompetent than he is, Amy
>Jasmine and Izzy have a history (maybe Izzy ate her pet Koala)
>Samey starts to dress like Jasmine, unnerving our favorite Amazonian petrol monkey
>Sierra goes through Cody-withdrawals and sees Shawn as her Hobody (Hobo Cody) causing a rift between him and Jasmine
>The final two are Max and Izzy
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>>64346277
>>64350871
>>64350937
>>64353264

She reminds me of Jigglypuff.
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>>64355036

Thanks for that bit of nonsense
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>>64355005
>Izzy in The final two
you must a fan of Izzy right?
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>>64355385

But she's a cute girl

She sings

And she's pink
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>>64355567

Who isn't?
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What season is this on now?

I only watched TDI
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>>64340001
>Chris isn't hosting
DOA
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>>64355711

6/the second part of 5 ended last month
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>tfw I loved TDI
>watched the other seasons but none were as good
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>>64356100

She looks like she's holding in a really nasty fart.
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>>64356449
WHAT!?! ARE YOU TRYING TO MAKE ELLA ACTED LIKE OWEN!?!
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>>64356449
At least it's not from a bad apple
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>>64350787
I'm gonna need more pictures of sweaty, shapely girls in dresses.
>>64345367
Radioactive mutations suck ass.
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>>64345367
Do you have a site I can look at your work or something?
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>>64356449

That's pretty hot
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>>64337376
>she has no character at all
But she's not Zoey or Sky.
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>>64358347
Who the fuck is Sky?
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>>64358820
Here!
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>>64358347
Sky's got a character, it's just that that character is a LYING WHORE
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>>64356449
And a burp
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>>64359000
Oh you meant two timing skank
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>>64356449
Ella does not fart or poop. She's not like us dirty mortals.
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my favorite thing about this show is how often it breaks the 4th wall. it's really cool and i like the self-referential humor
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>>64359080
She holds it all in and then just lets it all out when she's alone.
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>>64360602
ARE YOU MAKING ELLA SOUND MORE LIKE BLAINELEY(Mildred)
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>>64360722
Just imagine it.

Ella steps into the bathroom, closes the door, looks around, and pushes out a huge, long, gross fart, eyes rolling up at the good it feels to let it out, her pink skirt flying up.

"Ooh my, I DO hope nobody HEARD that...~"
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>>64361056

>Do you know how crazy the average Total Drama fan is?

No really, I prefer the serial killer anon over you
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>>64360602
>>64361056
I bet Ella acts like a dirty hooker when she's alone. Cursing and smoking and scratching herself.
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>>64360722
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You guys are concerning me now.
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>>64351755
Friendly reminder that Scarlett is a ripoff of Brainzilla.
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>>64337376
I can fap to her, so she's good in my books
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>>64337376
She's my favourite character, I also ship Coderra.
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The second that piece of shit of a series was conceived
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>>64361615
I wish they'd have her do more than just obsess over Cody, but she IS hot, so.
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>>64361710

Sierra's characterization went back to square one in all stars.

I wanted Cody to be in All Stars because they appeared to be a couple at the start of ROTI
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>>64361247
But that's against her lovely nature. And i love Ella the way she is
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>>64362174
I don't think Ella deserve a friend like Sugar. I believe Ella should be friends with Dawn.
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Do you guys like Beth?
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>>64364106
Beth is the fucking CUTEST.
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>>64364182
A'ight! Gonna draw her for you.
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>>64364218
D'awww shucks, maybe I'll draw something with her later too, totally underrated.
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>>64364106

Only stupid, superficial people don't (that's not opinion, that's fact)
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>>64364381

I'm stupid and superficial and I still like Beth, maybe not my favorite character but she's alright
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>>64364106
How can you not like her?
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>>64364479

You might be a Militant pre-Sierra Gwody/NoCo shipper
Or a person who thought her actions during Action were unforgivable
Or a superficial jerk who thinks she's ugly
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>>64364589
>Or a superficial jerk who thinks she's ugly

Well, she isn't really meant to be a beauty queen, you know...?
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>>64364353
>>64364218
Here! A Beth, hope ya like it, Dustin.
I'm a completely anonymous artist and I never visited /co/ before, srsly!
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>>64365140

Not bad
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>>64365140
Hnnnnnghhhh, that's fuckin ADORABLE. Love it dude!

YOU TOTALLY ANONYMOUS DUDE
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>>64364479
She had a big ass
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>>64365376
Thanks truteal
>>64365461
Glad you like it, man!
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>>64351755
What do you think the happy medium would be like?
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>>64365750

Has a personality like Ella (and has her hair down)
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>>64365750
Drago has improved a LOT since last time I checked his art, I love this.

And boy, I missed the Beth love, didn't I? wink
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>>64366038
Agreed.

And OH GOD that's adorable.

Also added you on Skype anytime you wanna talk about CUTE TOON GALS
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>>64366240
Neat! I'll check it out.

I'm having way too much fun with this screencap, the pose makes it for me.
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Are the first generation guys coming back or never never again?
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>>64365848
I was thinking Scarlett could go a bit like Hannibal-ish like character like she's still sorta evil, but is willing to help out.
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>>64366782
They're coming back for a spin off series.
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>>64366748
sweatingguy.jpg

LOVE it, dude.
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>>64366782

probably not for another 2 seasons
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>>64366906
>>64366947

yay
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>>64349658
What?! How the Hell does that work?! This entire premise is founded on a Fair Folk's bubble of reality in the middle of the Wyld!
...

Hey, we all picked ways to get through this show.
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>>64366906

I feel like they should have more swimsuit episodes.

The original outfits make their boobs look weird.
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It's funny how Cameron got farther with Gwen than Cody and even Sierra fell in love with him, all that in half a season

Kinda makes it look like he's trying to steal his life
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>tfw no more Aborigine girl to fap over

Are there any Aborigine girls that I can fap to, so I can ease my pain?
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>rape is OK as long as a woman is doing it
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>>64359000
So is she Asian or a light-skinned Native Ameerican?
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>>64337336
The pilot episode.
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>>64367395
*American

>>64367323
Cameron is a boss.
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>>64367377
I'm a guy and I WOULD totally rape Cody...
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>>64367395
We think she's Native American because she knew the Cree language.
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>>64367543
I didn't realize Eva's boobs were SO big until now.
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>>64367323

In my view, he was specifically designed to be Cody 2.0
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>>64367602
Yup
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>>64367775
Man, I LOVE those ones. Strict schoolteacher Eva is best.
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>>64367543

Sugar is the only PI contestant with a large rack

http://www.freshtvinc.com/refresh-blog/
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>>64367877
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What's going to be your face when they show the epilogue of Total Drama with a montage and a song like Don't you forget about me or Closing time?
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>>64337336
for WT, Duncans return, which set off all the things people hate about WT
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>>64368048

>How could the Canadian government afford to get the rights for those songs?
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>Tfw I like white bread straight men characters who react to stimulus
>my favorite character was Trent
>He got cheated out of his happy end because Gwen's a whore
>the writers felt he was too normal and perfect so they gave him that shitty 9 quirk and made him clingy as fuck
Anywho, the last season I followed was the one where the black nerd went all Iron Man on Sha-Lightning. I consider the show a guilty pleasure like most, so were the past two seasons ok?
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>>64337336
Courtney is a bitch, and I really liked the dynamic the two had in seasons 1+2 because they seemed like the two that would actually make a good couple.
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>>64367377
>>64367877
>>64367951
>>64368121
>>64368200

>yfw Dave gets his own Sierra in a future season
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>>64368191

That's why I say "like"
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>>64367543
I'd either bounce Courtney up a size or knock Izzy down.

Courtney's got quite the pair on her, a shame there weren't enough shower scenes in this show. At least like a towel wrapped around them or something.
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>>64367377

>tfw no delicious brown amazonian rape goddess gf
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>>64368218
Courtney is best girl
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>>64361615
Then you're autistic.
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>>64368551
Sounds like you have shit taste /a/
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>>64367862
>D-cup
>not large
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>>64368218
>Courtne a bitch

Yeah and she completely and utterly fucking justified for the bullshit Gwen did to her. But then again it's not like it mattered seeing as to how they were literally fucking friends for one episode, then the next episode they threw it into the ground. Hell even in the fucking episodes after the kiss as they look back on their friendship they only look back on that short episode. Wow.

Also other than being good to fap to, how is Gwen even considered a good character? Actually, let me ask you guys this,

How are the following characters considered good characters after WT:
Sierra
Gwen
Alejandro
Duncan
Courtney
Ezekiel

They literally ruined all of them. But Alejandro didn't have a character to ruin due to the fact he's literally a flawless villain, he has the looks, the cunning, the brain, all of it. Of course they did realize he was too perfect so they slapped together a small scene where he tripped. Wow. What a flawed villain. It ultimately made watching it boring.

And this is only a brief scratch at the surface at how bad the season was, and no one even acknowledges that it was bad, they're all too autistic shipping, or too busy shoving their thumbs up their asses.

WT is a 4/10 at best.
Infact with all the screentime Duncan and Gwen and Courtney got, may as well rename it to 'GwunCan - The autism circle'
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>>64367543

Zooey's got the ass though.
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>>64368872
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>>64368872
>>64368899

What a slut
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>>64368872
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>>64368872
Did you seriously make a webm for that? Holy shit the autism in these threads is palpable.
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>>64368872

Too bad she hasn't got a personality
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Did any girl on the show ever had insecurities about her looks? I find it odd that show seems to completely ignore this topic, being all about drama.
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>>64369079

Beth might've had some
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>>64369013
>autistic person calls another person autistic

That's adorable.
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>itt: Total Drama fags show their mindless autism by masturbating to a poorly drawn piece of shit cartoon with horrible characterization and writing but ignore all of that because of the waifu autism.
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>>64369217
itp a bloo bloo bloo
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>>64369167
not helping. I would defend you guys since I don't find the show half bad, but this guy's right >>64369217
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>>64369217

You mean like in every other general?
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>>64369217

you better believe it.

Now that we have that out of the way, can I ask you to maybe fuck off.
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>>64369217

It's like we're in a harem anime general eh?
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>>64369306

Is that dog okay?
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Canada
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>>64369353
No, he's lost.
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>>64369029
>Too bad she hasn't got a personality

She temporarily had a dominant personality for a few eps.

But yea, it's mostly a blank state.
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>>64369480
A little sad how worked up you're getting over it.

Why not go browse a different topic?
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>>64369439

No, it can't be
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>>64369520
>you're getting worked up over it
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>>64369635
Yup, lost in space.
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>>64369658
Alright, well... it sure seems like you are. Everyone else is pretty cool with it.
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>>64369677
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>>64369460
Gigantic flub in All Stars not bringing her commando persona back.
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Gotta think of somethin' to draw on Beth.
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>>64370171

Maybe have her talking to Sugar about pigs
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>>64370171
Sling Bikini Beth?

Or Beth and Ella hanging out?
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>>64370171
Knowing you, I'll suggest getting her braces stuck in Sugar's "neatly" trimmed pubic hair.
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>>64370487
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>>64370171
How about Beth in a thin, hourglass-like figure?
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>>64370613
>Thin Beth
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>>64370658

I hate fanartist redesigns that remove her glasses/change her hair (those are the things that make Beth unique)
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Here you go, /co.

http://imgur.com/2tKrYuk
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>>64370739
>Two worst girls

That being said, still pretty damn hot.
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>>64370739

meh
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>>64370739
Damn, awesome job.
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>>64370739
Nice.
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>>64370739

This is old
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>>64370171
Beth getting married to a cardboard cutout of a handsome guy.
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>>64370658
Well, as long as she still looks like her original self like in pic related, it should be okay.
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>>64371138
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>>64371138
That is the worst.

almost as bad as the people who draw Sadie thin.
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>>64371138
You need to leave.

Now.
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>>64371138
Fuck that.
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>>64371138
She could work as an independent character in the show.

But not as Beth. She's perfect the way she is.
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>>64371338

Her template was probably a "beta" version of a camper (probably one of the BFFs)
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>>64357674
http://dustinscrazywackydoodles.tumblr.com/

>>64370171
Are you okay with drawing nsfw or /d/ esque art?
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>>64371430
Of course!

Some practice doodles.
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>>64371382
I think so.

>>64371509
UNF! Niiice.
How do you draw all girls so accurately, dude?
How many virgins were sacrificed for your skills?
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>>64371566
17.

I really gotta bulk up my total drama cap folder, only got caps from the first episode.
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>>64371580
So should I.
Actually... I need to re-watch some episodes too.
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>>64371616
It's so hard to find episodes to even CAP at this point. I had the DVD at one point, but... the censored to hell CN version and fullscreen?
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>>64371509
How about giving Beth the breast or butt expansion treatment?
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>>64371703
Time went by a little faster than I thought, so it's a bit too late to draw much else, but I'll mess with some Total Drama girls tomorrow too.
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>>64371753

Lindsay is such a sexy piece of ass, but she looked better in jail
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>>64356449

Probably brassy to contrast with her high pitched voice.
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>>64359151

-She was going to tell Dave about Keith in ep 5
-She did feel some guilt for being happy over Ella's sorrow
-The only thing she really did was kiss him in the finale (and she only did that so she could have a chance of the million)

Aside from Dave, Sky has no personality whatsoever (hence why she only played the straight woman to Sugar before the semifinal)
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>>64374437
-You don't know that for sure (could have just been a rejection,) and she had plenty of chances to tell him in between leading him on.
-She still kept gloating about it in front her.
-She also threw a tantrum when it looked like she wasn't going to win.

Her personality is devious skank.
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>>64374437
>-The only thing she really did was kiss him in the finale (and she only did that so she could have a chance of the million)
What a manipulative slut.
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>>64370171
>tfw Beth's perfect supermodel mary sue boyfriend was real
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>>64375060
Apparently Total Drama is really big within its own 'verse, so kids are probably celebrities and all get tons of high-quality suitors.
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>>64375101
This is from the very start. She always did the pathological liar thing like the "girlfriend from canada" thing.

In her case her boyfriend was a supermodel and was perfect at everything but nobody believed her because not only is she not super attractive herself, but the claims were just outright ridiculous.

And it turns out she wasn't lying.
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>>64375156
I always thought she met him between Island and Action, no?
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>>64374549
and that's why Shawn deserved to win and get Jasmine.
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>>64369217
So every animated show ever
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>>64361319
Secret reminder that Blaineley is fat
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>>64372354
How's that possible that Courtney's butt looks smaller in that pic? Especially when you have Zoey to compare
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>>64375535
Maybe she wears a diaper
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>>64375535
Nice booty
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>>64375535
Now that's a knockout!
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>>64368757
>Sierra
She brought the funny
>Alejandro
He did a good job as the villain. Being too perfect was his schtick.
>Gwen, Duncan, and Courtney
Pretty much everyone on /co/ hates those three in seasons 2 and 3, why are you even asking this?
>Ezekiel
He wasn't. The whole feral thing was a bunch of bullshit to mess with his fans that wanted to see him used better.

You're not going to find most people argue with you on this. World Tour WAS flawed. It only ranks above the even more flawed TDA and the fun, but ball dropping TDAS.
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Team ella reporting in. How is everyone today?
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>>64377545
I'm f-fine.......
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>>64377578
>Tfw you won't ever get a qt princess gf who calls you her prince
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>>64371338
Beth and Lindsay worked so well together as characters.
Sucks how they dumbed Lindsay down in All Stars.
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>>64377638
I guess they needed some kind of All Star that could still work as an easy first elimination. Sucks that it had to be her, though.
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>>64377853
Lindsay was the only character in All Stars I had much interest in. Once she was gone, we were left with mostly boring characters.

SO glad we got so much Mike and Zoey though! And Duncan and Gwen, can NEVER have enough of them!
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>>64377578
She's an angel and i love her
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>>64377954
I had very low expectations for All Stars when I saw Gwen, Duncan, and Courtney on the cast list but I absolutely loved what they did with Duncan.

More specifically, I think Duncan is a piece of shit after ruining two seasons in a row, so seeing him get kicked to the curb by two girls, go insane because of the nice thing, and then finally get karma by being sent to jail was extremely satisfying.

I was also liking what they were doing with Courtney, but we all know how that turned out.
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>>64378563
> A iguana Kissing Jasmine?
That would Shawn jealous!
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>>64377638
I agree.
I loved their chemistry in the first season. Didn't think they'd be friends at first, because they were so different, but damn they worked fine.
I really felt bad when they lost in TDI.

And they're still my favorite TD characters.
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>>64378759

Them what
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>>64378078
Do you think that Courtney got screw over in the end so that they can make Zoey more like a hero?
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>>64378876
the pajamas
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Assuming Eva is the typical bodybuilder, she's probably constantly wearing a restricting sports bra. Going with this, she still has one of the largest chests in the show, even with it bound.

Could I request one of the other campers staring in shock at Eva getting out of the shower? She could threaten them to keep her "secret" from getting out.
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>>64378789
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>>64378769
Noice
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>>64378884
Yeah. I kind of feel like the original idea for them was to make Courtney vs Scoot the finale, but then they decided they wanted to do Zoey vs Mike instead and thought some stuff up at the last minute to make that the finale instead of what they were going with.

I'm probably wrong, but Courtney's complete 180 in the sundae episode was so out of nowhere that I feel like it could be true.
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>>64378896

They're boring like her
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How could you not post the sexiest girl in the series?
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>>64379151
>I kind of feel like the original idea for them was to make Courtney vs Scoot the finale,
>Courtney vs Scoot finale

The wishful thinking is off the charts
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>>64379151
I mean, the excuse was RIGHT THERE. Have Mal fake the note to turn everybody against her.
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>>64379204
Hot damn, I've never seen that.
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I think these 2 were my favorites. Although I've only seen TDPI, so I'm not the best judge on who's the best.
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oops, i forgot how gigantic that picture is, here's a smaller one. They're my favorites because of the dynamic they had, don't think I'd be a big fan of Sammy if Jasmine wasn't there.
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>>64379224
Maybe it's wishful thinking, but seriously, you didn't think the final three episode felt like a complete change of direction? It could have easily played out that way.

>Mike could have met each of his personalities in his mind one episode earlier since there was no Mike scene the episode after he got Chester
>Zoey could have found Alejandro's tape the episode after he talked about it since she won and was in the house
>Could have been caught by Mal who was also in the house
>Instead of having the Courtney picture plot, we have Mal sabotaging Zoey
>Zoey gets 5th
>Because each Mike scene was moved up an episode, he reaches the button during the final 4
>Mal is kill during the final 4, Courtney wins challenge, Gwen does the poop picture thing and gets 4th
>Courtney brings Scott to the finale
>Courtney vs Scott finales still acts as a couples finale like Mike vs Zoey
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Why is Shawn such a boring mary sue?
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>>64379689
>Mary sue
How? Good to see the anti-Shawnfags are still salty. The only mary sues I can think of in the show are Zoey and season 1 Trent.
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>>64379543

No, not even for a second I thought Scoot would make it to any finale
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