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>>78862979
Upcoming Releases link has been changed to the one that works now, and the rest of the links were shifted around to put the more important ones first.
I found an old VHS copy of Phantom Menace, which I have watched again.
Observation:
The Neimoidians are terrible villains. Too obviously stooges, no menace.
>The battle droids and rolleypolley robots are cool.
Darth Sidious shows up in like the first ten minutes, for a phone call.
Jar Jar's high pitch whine is particularly obnoxious, and the Gungan king is nearly as bad with his tics and slobber.
>The gungan city and ship is beautiful.
That the trade blockade is a gigantic thing holding the entire planet hostage is really poorly conveyed.
Queen Amidala's escape sort of just happens without fanfare and the enormity of the situation is sort of just forgotten.
>R2D2's intro is fun and functional enough.
>Watto's CGI has aged fairly well.
That the Trade Federation has assembled an entire army is really the main plot, and how & why they have so much military power is not conveyed at all.
Jake Lloyd is not great, the writing is worse. Jar Jar continues to be unfunny.
C3PO's intro is obnoxious.
There's a scene between Sidious and Maul that's shown really late after the escape and doesn't really illuminate anything.
If everyone understands that Queen Amidala would be signing a treaty under duress, why would it be legal?
The entire plot to get the money for hyperdrive by betting on the pod race is really contrived.
>The twist that Padme is the Queen is actually really clever, hidden in plain sight.
The divine birth thing is awful.
A lot of boring scenes between Anni and his pod, aliens kids, Smee & Quigon.
Darth Maul arrives on the planet, sends out some droids, and does....nothing.
If Tatooine is lawless and isn't under the Republic's domain, why can't Quigon just kill the slave-owning Watto? Why is he allowed to gamble for a slave?
>Sebulba is a great villain.
>The pod racers are cool. Lots of neat designs.
>"Naked" C3PO is a pretty cool puppet
Jake Lloyd look like a baby in his pod.
Just what has Obi-Wan been doing for days?
I don't know much about trading cards but can someone who is tell me how much a certain Star Wars card is worth?
I recently bought a pack of force awakens cards on a whim and I got the foil variant of pic related (084/250). I noticed that the normal card goes online for roughly $0.50 to $2.00 and I was hopeful that this might be worth something.
>>78863031
Why doesn't Darth Maul scout tatooine himself? Shouldn't his sith abilities guide him to what he wants?
Holy shit Terrance Stamp is in this movie, and he's completely wasted.
Why wouldn't the Senate acknowledge Naboo's invasion by the Trade Federation? Was the transmition jam not immediately suspcious?
A 9-year-old is too old to become a Jedi?
Samuel L Jackson and the Jedi council are mostly decent.
Let me explain midichlorians to a child an hour into the movie.
Why return to Naboo?
Queen Amidala's plan is an 11th hour peace treaty with the Gungans? All it takes is her bowing and the threat on invasion? It's so arbitrary.
Why bring Annakin to a war zone? Does the Jedi temple not have a day care?
Seriously this kid is ducking laser fire.
So like twenty naboo ships are supposed to take down the droid control ship. With no plan other than to shoot it?
>The battle droid army is really cool.
Motherfucking Darth Maul shows up and the movie wakes the fuck up.
Annakin 'accidentally' does everything right to pilot the ship.
Why did Sidious have such confidence that Maul could take on two Jedi? He's getting his ass kicked for much of the fight.
Where dooes the glowey room they fight in have weird shields that pop up?
>Quigon and Maul having a stare down that puases their fight is great.
Annakin has zero narrative tension in the film
Amidala's plan to counterkidnap the Viceroy also makes no sense.
>Rey Park is better with a single bladded lightsaber than with a double.
Annakin saves the day with no plan, no training, by accident. Motherfuckers call Rey a mary sue.
Obi-Wan kills Maul by doing a flip over his head from below? Maul had him completely at his mercy.
Yoda makes a big stink about Obi-Wan training Annakin, but if Annakin is so dangerous *and* important, why can't Yoda or Mace or another master train him?
The entire Jedi council shows up for the Gungan/Naboo ceremony, when they couldn't be bothered before to help before?
>>78863080
You could exchange them with a guillible hobo for sexual favors.
Best story reminder:
Star Wars: Alien
Following a rumor, Han Solo, Chewbacca, and his grumbly ragtag crew pilot his whale shark freighter to a wasteland planet with a derelict spacecraft to hunt some Rathtars
The Rathtars slowly hunt the crew-- more about their disposition and phisiology is revealed, such as, they "go into heat" explaining their aggressive behavior in TFA, and also that they require sapient fluids to construct their nests (explaining abducting Finn in TFA)
In the end, Chewie and Han use each other as live bait to trap them in the holds
[/spoiler]IN SPACE, NOONE CAN HEAR YOU TELL THEM THE ODDS[/spoiler]
>>78863144
>Giant Tentacle monsters
>they "go into heat"
Oh boy, I hope they brought lube or a bacta tank for their asses.
What happened to Inqusitors?
Were they already finished by ANH?
Pick your Star Wars waifu/husbando.
Pic related.
>>78863286
>>78863283
That's a story for another Rebels season
Does anyone know if there are model kits of this ship?
It's probably my favorite ship out of all of the PT stuff.
>>78863286
>Not Maketh Tua
Oh sister, where art thou.
>>78863283
I'm fairly sure Vader told the lot of them to stay the fuck away from Luke. His origins are essentially a state secret you wouldn't want in the hands of a branch of imperial intelligence which, by nature, wants to climb the ranks to the top...
>>78863283
There doesn't seem to be that many of them and with the Jedi mostly dead they're starting to become obsolete. Hopefully we get more information on them in Rebels over the seasons, they're a pretty interesting organization.
>>78863286
>Pic Related
I honestly don't know why I got so attached to him.
>>78863286
All others need not apply.
>>78863286
I'm a star wars polygamist
>>78863865
I wish I could be as outrageous with my fashion as Zayne Carrick.
>>78863916
it's that keen eye for fashion which won him the affection of best girl
>>78863283
The big question is why we haven't seen then outside Rebels, the comics would make a prime place to show them more, but nothing about it so far.
Although i can get behind the anon who said that Vader probably told them to stay the fuck away from Luke
Would you a rodian, /swr/?
>>78864198
Yes, yes I would.
>>78863610
My negroid.
>>78864198
>oversized housefly
No
Where did this fucking Rey is Obi Wans grandaughter come from? My friend keeps going on about it like it's a credible theory. I have never heard such bullshit in my life.
>>78864297
Damn good at suckin then
>>78864521
>Where did this fucking Rey is Obi Wans grandaughter come from?
Retards.
>>78864521
Obi-wan speaking in her force vision.
>>78863090
The younglings at the temple on Coruscant were all 5-7 years old.
>>78864521
>>78864578
She'd be more likely to be Qui-Gon's granddaughter. You just know that guy was crushing pussy across the galaxy, Jedi code be damned.
>>78864770
Ben's ghost spoke to Luke all the time, didn't mean they were related.
>>78864889
Jedi Code doesn't forbid sex. It just forbids attachment.
>>78864770
yoda is in that vision too, does that mean he's her grandfather by this moronic logic
Can Zabraks be sexy?
Muh storeh has a lot of them.
>>78864770
>>78864990
did frank oz record new lines and call out her name in that scene? I don't recall
>>78865083
no he didnt. He's repeating a line from ESB where he talks about the force being energy that surrounds us all. All he says is energy on an echo effect
>>78864965
Oh, bitches were gettin attached alright.
>I WANT MY SON TO HAVE MY LIGHTSABER WHEN HE'S OLD ENOUGH
why did Obi lie to luke?
>>78865039
Get a man desperate/horny enough, and anything can be sexy.
>>78865039
Of course they can
>>78865187
Obi-wan lied about a ass load of shit.
Obi-wan was a fucking dick.
>>78865187
I thought the sentiment was pretty clear. You have to read between the lines anon.
>>78865276
Also, are Darth Maul and Savidge:^)both ultra black or are they red skinned and yellow skinned respectively?
>>78864990
>>78864943
Not gonna argue it, don't even buy it myself, but that's the basis of her being a Kenobi. Since anon asked, I told him.
>>78865352
Maul and Savage are both ultra black. All Dathomirian Zabrak males are. The coloration is from tattooing.
>>78865537
I think it's the other way around. The black parts are tats and their skin is naturally red, green or yellow.
>>78865537
>>78865600
Pls... Which one is it.
And is it unreasonable for a Nar Shaddaa Zabrak to have Dathomirian colouring?
>>78865676
Wook says Dathomirians have black to silver in skin range, bro.
Dunno about your other question.
First we had Fives. Then the Legend of Sixes. Now we have Nines.
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/01/07/star-wars-force-awakens-stormtrooper-traitor
>>78865187
"Hey Luke, want to be a Jedi Knight? Your dad used to be one but then he betrayed and murdered all the other Jedi including stabbing a bunch of kids in the face. With that very lightsaber in your hands! He was a good friend."
There's a Certain Point of View™ at play where Obi-Wan would rather Luke remember his dad as a hero rather than a murdering, tyrannical bag of cybernetic dicks. I can't really blame him.
>>78865804
>didn't read Before the Awakening to be introduced to Nines before he became a meme
It's sad how many people this encompasses.
>This, unfortunately, may be the end of the story of Nines, since Han shot him. But Boba Fett fell into the Sarlacc Pit, and he’s definitely still alive. Which leaves plenty of room for, like, a 2021 release of Boba and the Nines: A Star Wars Story, featuring helmets.
Why are these people allowed to officially write things? There's no proof that the Boba movie would be after ROTJ, and no proof that he is even still alive!
>>78866115
>There's no proof that the Boba movie would be after ROTJ, and no proof that he is even still alive!
They must have heard about Boba's armor being found in Aftermath and assume he's still alive. Not solid proof to argue whether he is or isn't alive, but people want their Boba.
>>78866115
what can you expect from EU fags that just can't let go?
>>78866115
>no proof that he is even still alive!
He's too marketable to have dead. He will make a cameo in at least one of the next two movies, and al the spergs in the theater will have a collective orgasm.
>>78865303
From a certain point of view.
>>78866338
I never got Boba, Jango was a badass through and through, but Boba never seemed to do anything, most of the time I remember him he's being overshadowed or falling into a sand vagina.
>>78865889
>murdered all the other Jedi
Even when Obi tells the truth, he sneaks in a lie. The man clearly has a problem.
>>78866338
>He's too marketable
that hasn't stopped with him being dead though. The only thing anyone ever liked about him was his armor, he's literally a non-entity in Star Wars.
>>78865276
Is that left image from KOTOR 1? Specifically Dantooine? I played it a month ago but I don't remember any Zabraks.
Post best Star Wars Waifu
>>78866477
Muh armor.
I also think Boba love has risen along with the love for ESB.
>>78866523
KotOR 2. That's Bao-Dur. Probably one of the sexiest voices in the game, if not the sexiest.
>>78866523
KOTOR 2 on Telos, Bao-Durr I think it was.
>>78866523
KOTOR 2
>>78866540
Good taste anon.
>>78866582
thanks
>>78866540
>>78863286
R8 or H8
>>78866477
The extent of Boba Fett's contributions to the franchise is standing around and dying. The only smart thing he ever did was throwing himself into the trash.
>>78862979
Do we have any comics coming out this coming week?
>>78866913
Check the Upcoming Releases link. Conveniently updated to work now for this and future threads.Nothing new this week
>>78866913
Literally in the first link in the OP, anon.
Looks like all we're getting is the TPB of Star Wars Issues 7-12
>>78866115
>Why are these people allowed to officially write things? There's no proof that the Boba movie would be after ROTJ, and no proof that he is even still alive!
>One of the most popular characters in the franchise
>Iconic
>Tons of cosplayers and merch just as him
>So popular a entire culture and slew of characters were made to flesh out his backstory
>disney is gonna keep him dead
>>78866896
>b-but tracking Falcon to Bespin
>b-but Vader's respect
The sad thing is there are people out there who gush over Boba, but also call Phasma shit.
>>78867052
>So popular a entire culture and slew of characters were made to flesh out his backstory
That didn't stop Disney from discarding literally everything about him, that wasn't in the movies or TCW. The idea behind Mandalore was even changed as well. :^)
>>78867064
You do realize the reason people think he's cool is because 1: he managed to beat Han Solo, 2: he reminded people of the man with no name, and most importantly 3: he had tons of comics and novels written about him in the EU. Nobody just has Boba Fett as their favorite character because of his helmet. Also >inb4 you say 'well his EU stuff was shitty!' because what matters is that he was fleshed out despite his small role in the movies and because there's now so much Boba Fett media in the EU people like him.
Reading Darth Plaguies right now and it's really, really high quality. I enjoyed Lords of the Sith but it wasn't on this sort of level. What other EU books are this well-written and don't directly conflict with Nu-Canon?
>>78867196
>1: he managed to beat Han Solo,
No, the Empire did. He just claimed the money from it. He actually was beaten by Han Solo.
>and most importantly 3: he had tons of comics and novels written about him in the EU
>inb4 you say 'well his EU stuff was shitty!' because what matters is that he was fleshed out despite his small role in the movies
Development doesn't matter if it ruins the character and is absolutely shit.
>>78867642
Lost Stars
>>78867196
I was referring to both characters roles in the movies alone. Of course I know Boba has much more going on in the EU. That doesn't change the fact that Boba, just like Phasma, is just a "cool armor character" in the movies.
I just think it's a bit hypocritical to complain about how Phasma doesn't do anything interesting in the film, when Boba didn't do much of substance either. The only thing that makes Boba better than her is, like you said, that he has over thirty years of expanded universe stories to flesh him out. And I admit that is a valid and completely understandable reason to like him.
>>78867689
>he doesn't know Boba Fett lost to Han Solo on purpose
>>78868014
On a random note, is Phasma even going to be IN the next movies? The old empire would hear one word about the person who put their own life above the glorious starkiller bases shields, and execute anyone who had even said her name in passing. Heck, Sheev almost killed Vader for the death star 1 thing, and it wasn't even his fault.
>>78867642
Plagueis does actually have some contradictions, like Maul's origin and there would need to be clarification on Dooku's involvement since TCW altered it.
Also, it's kind of odd that Palpatine's real name wouldn't show up in the book at all, though that's pretty minor.
Anyways, I don't know whether or not there are any huge contradictions, but the Jedi Apprentince and Jedi Quest books are good. Some of the books centered on Jedi between RotS and ANH are good too.
>>78868131
>Boba Fett purposefully looked like an absolute retard and was hit by a blind man causing himself to fall into the Sarlaac and die.
>>78868186
She's confirmed to return for Ep8.
>>78868224
>She's confirmed to return for Ep8.
Either on the run from the First order and turned into a support character, or Snoke is Really forgiving, and mercy was not Imperially approved.
>>78868186
>>78868224
>>78868310
She'll be back. But does anyone actually want her to? To me shes kind of done, she's a total joke. They advertised this iron willed chrome trooper and when she meets the enemy she immediately surrenders and is literally thrown into the trash.
I mean at least Boba Fett accomplished bad guy stuff before he was comically undermined. Phasma didn't even fire a shot, all she really manages to do is fuck over her own forces and cause the destruction of her own base. It's bizarre cause the marketing and everything they were talking about made it seem like they were really intending her to be the new cult favorite.
Boba round 2,we know how much the audience goes for these characters now so we're not gonna make the same mistakes as last time. Whoops we made her an even bigger loser than he was.
It's gonna take a hell of a lot of work to build her back up as a credible threat after that shitshow.
>>78868595
Yeah, she's going to have to earn her reputation now. The general fanbase has dismissed her, most people forgot she exists next to Nines.
Boba at least had some cool shots in ESB for the fanbase to jizz over, even if he did nothing. Phasma just gets thrown into the trash offscreen.
I don't even like Boba, but he is clearly a more interesting and favorable character here.
>>78868595
Though I do like the idea of her being demoted down to the leader of a single squad and chasing after Finn or someone in an attempt to clear her name, Along with the miraculously revived Nines,Actually a commando droid, bugged to only yell "Traitor"
>>78868712
Agreed.
>>78868748
> Actually a commando droid, bugged to only yell "Traitor"
>>>/Reddit/
>>78868827
That's exactly the show I was thinking about too. Compare that to the last time we see Phasma, and it's easy to see why Phasma is being forgotten about.
>>78868712
>most people forgot she exists next to Nines.
The fact that an unknown, supposedly nameless, one-scene wonder of a character became so popular while Captain Phasma herself is now forgotten, is saddening to me, Gwen deserved better. If an anon said, months before the movie even came out, that a regular stormtrooper would have gotten so popular that the creators gave him an official name I would have called him a faggot. And yet, here we are.
>>78862979
>r8
>>78868712
The thing people love about Boba (or at least me), is he comes off as kind of a wildcard. He's the man with no name in space. Since hes not part of the Empire you're not really sure what hes gonna pull. Especially when he starts giving lip to Vader (in the movie that popularized Vader force choking all his goons) The fact that hes not just another boot licking goon makes him intriguing.
He looks cool standing around and has some great body language too. For example the way he just stares at Lando while Han screams in the background, or how he instantly goes to shoot the shit outta Chewie when he starts going nuts. ROTJ has a few moments like this too, like the nod he gives Leia or (special editions anyway) flirting with those girls.
The thing is Bobas popularity was almost a complete accident, pure lightning in a bottle. Phasma was engineered and they fucked it all up. Unless they have some plan up their sleeve.
>>78868904
To be fair, he had an official name before he got popular. We just didnt know he was Nines.
It's possible that they retroactively made him the same trooper as Nines after he got popular though, just so he could have a backstory.
>>78868998
I doubt it. The other books similar to Before the Awakening (Smuggler's Run, etc) all have the pictures with certain things colored red. Said things end up important at some point, and Nines' hair was red, showing that he would be important at some point.
>>78868904
Phasma will be back, Nines won't.
>>78868904
Phasma is actually the thing that peaked my interest the most in that first trailer. An imposing stormtrooper??
I thought she was going to be the head of some squad that'd hound the heroes wherever they go. Kind of a miniboss deal. She's still a stormtrooper, but she's a little more independent. Leaning into bounty hunter or inquisitor territory, purely for the First Order.
This is an amazing analysis of The Force Awakens that explains why it isn't more of a "rehash" than every other SW movie after ANH.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbaliPyihCY
these thread always turn into boba/mandalore, if George really loved us he would give us a new old republic vidya game
>>78869370
George doesn't even own the franchise anymore
>>78869330
>38 minutes
This ain't Red Letter Media.
>>78869457
You really should see it. I'm pretty tired of hearing idiots say how "unoriginal" the new movie is for copying the same formular that has been used for every single Star Wars movie before it.
>>78869420
what he cant make any thing star wars any more? if he wanted to make a furry c3po with a vcr axe he couldn't? make a book about geonosians? any input what so ever?
>>78869517
George has only ever worked on the movies and TCW.
>>78869457
>38 minutes
I saw it and it's worth it. The only actually interesting and intelligent review of TFA I've seen yet.
>>78869517
correct, he cannot make anything star wars, unless Disney lets him.
Disney owns it, they get who they want to make their things. If Lucas makes anything star wars without their permission, they can sue his fat ass.
>>78869517
>what he cant make any thing star wars any more?
He probably doesn't want to, with how the rabid fanbase acted all the fucking time whenever he was around. I wouldn't either, the Star Wars fanbase is more or less broken and if I were a content creator I wouldn't want to touch this franchise with a ten foot pole.
>>78869655
Considering Poe was charismatic, useful all around and cool, Finn automatically is the biggest disappointment.
>>78869624
Lucas owns a ton of their stock. If he wants to, they'll take his "advice" with a smile lest he beheads one of them.
Perlmutter ain't exactly happy with them either.
>>78869655
Poe. Literally dies off screen then gets rez'd for no fucking reason.
>>78869685
>Considering Poe was charismatic, useful all around and cool,
Literally who?
>>78869688
>Perlmutter ain't exactly happy with them either.
Perlmutter wouldn't be happy unless Marvel consisted solely of himself in a room with a phone, licensing Marvel properties to other companies.
>>78869688
doesn't own enough for them to not just kick him out though, does he?
>>78869330
>"rehash" than every other SW movie after ANH.
It might not be a complete rehash, but this movie bored me to death and felt un-inspirational and too safe. Yeah, it was ok, but that's about it. The locations were too boring and didn't feel that exotic and the aliens themselves were lacking.
>>78869706
>dies off screen then gets rez'd for no fucking reason.
He was too handsome to die.
>>78869752
Right, but when some of your biggest shareholders are upset, you take notice.
>>78869776
No. It's not so simple.
>>78869790
his supposed death reminded me of TOR a little for some reason...
>>78869330
Sorry but I really dont agree with this.
He is saying that having the ambition to attempt something new isn't a good thing, and that staying with a sucessful formula is A-OK.
But I don't think that is fair at all, the prequels added a lot to the franchise just for the fact that they did new and daring stuff.
I'm not even one of the people mad about TFA, I liked it, but saying that being unoriginal is fine as long as it works is just being way too willing to accept laziness. And it discredits the effort of when the creators try to do something new.
>>78869655
Poe. He may as well have been a bit role, regardless of how charismatic he is. The fact that his surviving the TIE Fighter crash was revised last minute doesn't help. I like the character, but like with Phasma he could have been handled much better.
Finn was a joy through and through. Ethnic representation doesn't matter nearly as much to me as it does to most, even if it is nice to see more racially diverse entries these days. What makes or breaks that however is the treatment of the characters within - if they're relatively bit parts, stereotypes or wish fulfillment as opposed to actual living, breathing people, then what's the point?
Fortunately Finn was the latter and that made him much more all encompassing. Like Lando and Mace, kind of. They made their roles fit into their shoes and now it's hard to see them any other way.
>>78869792
Perlmutter has lost face with Marvel, I wouldn't be surprised if he quietly retired in a few years.
>>78869785
Yes, because a well written, well directed, well edited, well shot and well acted movie is somehow "bad" because it doesn't have unique CGI locations, right? We finally got a good movie again and you are complaining for no reason.
>>78869330
I would've given TFA a pass if they at least did the same formula right. They didn't.
>>78869655
The whole movie.
>>78869655
Rey.
>>78869891
>a well written, well directed, well edited, well shot and well acted movie
Bob Iger, is that you?
>>78869868
To add to this, I'm saying that ALL creators are being discredited. Lucas, Filoni, and yes, even JJ. Creativity should be encouraged. There's only so much pottery I can take before it just becomes straight up laziness, and I think JJ went too far in TFA.
But I will gladly praise him for anything new and interesting he did too.
>>78869891
>well written
>well edited
I disagree.
>>78867689
>Development doesn't matter if it ruins the character and is absolutely shit.
Good thing it didn't then.
>>78869868
Have you even watched the review? He is saying that it's unfair and stupid to criticise TFA for using the same plot beats of ANH when every other beloved sequel did the same. If you watched the review you would've seen that the only "different" Indiana Jones film (crystal skull) was also the only bad movie in the franchise.
Empire Strikes Back was bashed by journalists and haters for being exactly like the first Star Wars movie back then. Now everyone loves it.
>>78869891
"good movie"
get out of here Abrams
>>78869936
>>78869980
Can you actually argue why TFA isn't a competently made movie or are you just memeing like always?
>>78869991
>It's unfair to criticize because everyone else does it
>>78869891
Point and laugh at this shill.
Any word on when they will start filming Episode 8?
>>78870051
Have you ever heard someone criticising Creed for being too much like it's predecessors?
>>78869895
>I would've given TFA a pass if they at least did the same formula right. They didn't.
It was fine.
>>78869891
>>78869891
>Yes, because a well written, well directed, well edited, well shot and well acted movie is somehow "bad" because it doesn't have unique CGI locations, right?
>>78869330
>emulating Plinkett style
It's 2016 and I'm still amazed how popular those reviews are.
>>78869941
>But I will gladly praise him for anything new and interesting he did too.
Finn being a storm trooper who rebels was all him.
In Ardnt's screenplay from Lucas's story, Sam is the son of Han & Leia, who works as a junker.
>>78869868
It all just boils down to people rather being content with what they know as opposed to having to go through new things
Lessons in change. People wanted exactly what they'd been told of what happened in the OT with the Prequels, but George instead actually quite cleverly hit them with a "reality bites" subversion of the "truth" given to us in the OT. The stories Obi-Wan and Yoda were telling were through rose colored glasses. That should have been obvious from the start but people are always looking to take others at their word that they leave little to no room for interpretation. People only know how to think literally
>>78870034
No Star Wars movies are competently made. That's half the charm.
>>78870034
Different anon here.
The pacing.
The characters.
The story with Starkiller and the republic.
Would've overlooked all other issues if the characters were done right like in ANH tho.
>Retards calling TFA a bad movie
>Can't even explain why they think so
>>78869891
/swr/ is still garbage, I see. Glad I jumped ship from here.
>>78869891
Well edited? Did you miss the complete abruptness of scene transitions, or what?
>>78869655
Finn.
That said, though, while Poe > Finn in my books, it doesn't change the fact that I liked them both a lot. It's like comparing your favorite food with your second favorite.
>>78870179
Isn't that every internet argument ever? They drop evidence in favor of senseless violence or childish namecalling?
>>78870121
Rey's character ruins it desu
>>78869991
Yeah, I am watching the review.
I still disagree with it. I would be more ok with it if it wasn't for the fact that chronologically, the movie before it was ALSO about a Death Star rip-off needing to be blown up.
Again, there's only so much sticking to a formula that I can take.
If you watch the movies chronologically, then there's a 4 movie period where 3/4 of the movies are about blowing up a Death Star. That's just not right, it's really showing off the laziness.
I also completely disagree with the notion that something has to "feel Star Wars", and my reason is this; To FEEL Star Wars, it's really meaning to "feel like the OT". But Star Wars isn't just the OT.
The OT is only HALF of the movies. Someone growing up on the Prequels, Star Wars feels more like the Prequel movies to them.
This isn't like Indiana Jones where there's an "odd one out", we're talking about literally half of the entire franchise. You can't just dismiss half of the franchise, and say "well TFA is good because it feels like the half that I like".
Do you see what I mean?
And yes, I know about the Empire bashing. I personally don't listen to reviewers. Everyone has different tastes. I have loved every Star Wars movie (with the exception of 2) rom the moment I watched them, I have never let the opinions of others bring me down, and never will. I judge each movie individually and if I like it, I like it. If I don't, I dont.
Again, I liked TFA. I really did, thinking about going to see it again soon. But saying that it was too similar to ANH is a very legitimate critisism. At the very least, the execution of Starkiller Base was.
I would have actually completely forgiven it if they failed to blow up the base. That would have been enough to be different IMO.
>>78870176
The characters were much better than in ANH. Kylo Ren was an actually interesting villain and not just a henchman like ANH Vader. It's unfair to compare them to the older characters because we've just been introduced to Rey, Finn, Poe and Kylo but we knew Luke, Han, Leia and Vader for decades. But if just compare ANH to TFA, then TFA has the morer compelling characters.
>>78870034
People post their criticisms of TFA all the time here, and it always just leads to contrarian shits like you shouting "NO UR WRONG IT MADE A BILLION THAT MEANS ITS GRRRREAT"
Fuck off, idiot.
>>78870230
But the prequels were often criticized for "not feeling like Star Wars". Now fans are complaining about TFA feeling "too much" like the OT. You really can't please Star Wars "fans".
>>78870230
>I would have actually completely forgiven it if they failed to blow up the base. That would have been enough to be different IMO.
Same here. Starkiller was not utilized well at all. Would have done better to last into the next film, at least. Or hell, throughout the trilogy somehow. And maybe not have it as a random snowy planet. Maybe even as the capital of the First Order or something.
>>78870034
Look man, maybe if the movie didn't need a damn guidebook to better understand the motivations, settings and characters better I might be more impressed with it. But, as it stands, the movie is so half assed that you have to buy a guide book for it. Which I'm sure the merchandising element loves.
>>78870230
Now you have me thinking about what it means to 'feel Star Wars'. I'm sure the answer is different for everyone, but I'm wondering what makes it feel that way to me.
>>78870229
>Rey's character ruins it desu
She's fine. She's a redressed Luke Skywalker with Annakin's skill level.
If you have a problem with her, you better regard Phantom Menace as the nadir of Star Wars, because 9-year-old Annakin brought down a droid control ship and killed like thousands of people....accidentally.
Everytime this threads start are like heaven, now it's a fucking battlefield in here.
>>78870369
>the movie is so half assed that you have to buy a guide book for it.
Or you can just wait for the sequels. They will certainly explain more about the state of the galaxy or Kylo Ren's past. Can't put too much stuff into one movie.
>>78870414
Middle of the week threads are usually the best. Weekend threads, however, are usually a wash.
>>78870321
>94% on RT
>liking it is contrarian
Fuck off /tv/
>>78870103
IIRC they've either just started filming or are going to start in like a week or two.
>>78870369
>as it stands, the movie is so half assed that you have to buy a guide book for it.
Star Wars non-movies get guide books.
>>78870361
That's true. Star Wars "fans" are never happy. Thats why I love these threadas. Sometimes there is pointless argueing, but we also have plenty of discussion about stuff we love, which I don't really see anywhere else.
If I try talk about Star Wars anywhere else, it's either "Lucas/JJ/Filoni/Disney sucks and ruined star wars and raped my childhood!", or complete circlejerking where negative opinions arent allowed.
There needs to be a balance for healthy discussion IMO.
>>78870367
I was hoping Starkiller Base was going to be a recurring threat that would finally be tackled in the final movie. But now it just seems like they're going to have "Starkiller Base 2" and my god I will not be ok with that.
>>78870371
Well that's the amazing thing.
Anybody who has watched TCW will know, Star Wars doesn't have one feel, and it never should. Star Wars is an entire GALAXY of stories. Stories of love and romance, tragedy, adventure, horror, politics. You can have a story about monsters, a story about witches, a story about family, or a story about betrayal. You can emulate ANH, or RotS or do something completely new, and as long as you dont discredit the stuff that has come before you, you are contributing positively to the franchise.
That's my take on what it is to feel Star Wars.
>>78869873
He doesn't work for them, he owns a share and kept his old job.
>>78870361
>You really can't please Star Wars "fans"
Correct. It takes time for the hardcore fans to attach themselves to new Star Wars material.
>>78870495
Literally every Star Wars movie has gotten a visual dictionary.
>>78870414
>>78869330
This made me appreciate TFA more. I still think Starkiller Base was unnecessary though.
>>78870414
>A star wars themed battlefront
Still better than what we actually got.
>>78870525
I still remember the sheer HATRED of Ahsoka in 2008.
People were foaming at the mouth, saying George has destroyed any credibility he had, raped Vader by giving him a spunky teen girl apprentice.
You couldn't look anywhere online without seeing how Ahsoka was worse than Jar Jar. It sounds weird now, but I am serious, it was very common to see Ahsoka listed as worse than Jar Jar.
Now she is beloved by almost the entire fanbase, beat Luke in the official poll, and people tear up at the very thought of Vader killing her.
>>78870503
I want the First Order to pull a coup against the remnants of the Empire still in the Core, resulting in their taking Coruscant in Episode VIII
And then the New Republic/Resistance eventually have to team up with the old Empire to take Coruscant from them in IX and usher in a new era of peace
did anyone ever post the short story Bait? it's not in the mega folder
>>78870503
>But now it just seems like they're going to have "Starkiller Base 2"
It's going to be a giant ass Super Star Destroyer like the Freudian Nightmare that has a giant laser cannon and is powered by black holes.
>>78870503
>"Lucas/JJ/Filoni/Disney sucks and ruined star wars and raped my childhood!"
That is literally the first reply to any post that says they liked something by any of those people.
seriously, this place is a shit hole for discussing Star Wars.
>>78870503
>There needs to be a balance for healthy discussion IMO.
Healthy discussion? Most people here hate and bash Lucas, Abrams and Disney. They still like Filoni though for some reason.
>>78870361
Details from Michael Arndt’s screenplay from George Lucas’s story:
Kira and Sam (renamed Rey & Finn) were the main protagonists. Sam is depicted as white as shares a resemblance with Kira in some art.
The opening scene was a Rebel Cruiser hauling a dilapidated Imperial Star Destroyer, an ironic parallel to the opening of A New Hope.
Sam was the son of Han Solo and Leia Organa, he worked as a junker with Chewbacca and R2D2. Something would go wrong and he would crash on a Junk Planet, separated from Chewie and R2.
Kira and other scavengers on the planet would see this and begin scavenging the crashed Star Destroyer. The Junk Planet (Jakku in the film) was a partially flooded world, with dozens of pieces of concept art depicting its environment ranging from wetlands to glacier-like to industrial. Seriously, it’s what most of the concept art was focused on, for it to simply become a desert like Tatooine in the final film is disappointing.
The Macguffin for the film was the helmet and ashes of Darth Vader, originally in Luke’s possession, and later falling to the Jedi Killer.
The Jedi Killer (Kylo Ren) was a distinct character from Sam and/or the son of Han Solo. He wore as mask to literally impersonate Darth Vader, to prey upon Luke Skywalker psychologically. He hunted down Jedi and plundered Jedi temples. He wore multiple lightsabers from slain Jedi. He would ‘eat’ the solar energy from stars to gain power.
-A later story revision from JJ Abrams changed Sam to a storm trooper who witnesses Rebels being executed by firing squad or ventilated into space, and deciding a to rescue a nameless bounty hunter dubbed John Doe (Poe Dameron), who resembled Djimon Hounsou a bit, who has a floating droid companion.
Han Solo's place in the script changed around a lot. At one point he'd be found in an exotic city on a junk planet, take Kira & Sam to the jungle Felucia (seen in the prequels) to hunt aliens (Rothars).
>>78870644
Well this is /co/, Filoni has been responsible for giving us stuff we like for 8 years now, so naturally there's a bias towards him.
>>78870634
That is true, there's definitely a lot of negativity sometimes. I just think it's a lot worse in other places, and this place has certainly had plenty great discussions about all aspects of the franchise. For that alone, I like this place.
>>78869330
This is like a positive Plinkett review. It's almost like poetry.
>>78870392
Can't we just talk about Broad City instead?
>>78870414
Last night was pretty good. We even talked EU with no bullshit. Mostly.
>>78870705
It's amazing to me that people can get so worked up over this. I mean, they're just goddamn movies, and most of them are not particularly well made or written or acted at that.
There's no reason to go around yelling about anything. It's like yelling and screaming about Flash Gordan.
So I've just caught up with the Vader/Star Wars comics, but why was Vader distracted on the planet in the Vader down arc? Who did he say how dare you too? Is ghost obi wan fucking with him?
>>78870772
>EU
Fuck off.
>>78870727
She's got a bangin' set of titties. Love it when she doesn't wear a bra on the show.
>>78870693
I'm reminded somewhat vaguely of Legacy II
>>78870693
>He would ‘eat’ the solar energy from stars to gain power.
>>78870727
I'd nut if Llana and Abbi showed up in a Star War.
If the Raid guys can be in TFA, Tyler Perry can be in Star Trek, and Key & Peele in Fargo, then some Abbi & Llana can't be far away from Episode VIII or IX.
>>78870789
>Is ghost obi wan fucking with him?
I would seriously love the idea of Obi-Wan just showing up to Vader and talking at him while he does shit.
>>78869330
That was actually really good. I didn't even notice how Creed followed the same formula the first Rocky movie used. TFA did the same, but gets bashed for it...
>>78870843
Are you saying that unoriginality is the only criticism of TFA?
>>78870109
>>78870361
>2 wrongs make a right
>>78870800
>you
faggot please die
>>78870888
it certainly seems to be one of the most yelled about criticisms.
>>78870644
>Most people here hate and bash Lucas, Abrams and Disney.
This is 100% bullshit.
You can actually discuss Star Wars here and not have to face severe repercussions for liking something unpopular. When most people fly off the hinges, it's because of shitposters making things difficult. This is the only place I can discuss Star Wars and not have it turn into 100% shit. I would know, I've been all over the damn net.
>>78870897
You don't even know what that saying means, right?
>>78870800
>I cannot teach him
>he is too edgy
>>78870888
That and Rey is a sue.
Also planet biomes.
>>78869941
There's plenty of new things in TFA. It just gets overshadowed by the few "old" elements in the movie.
>>78870472
It's contrarian in the context of a thread full of people criticizing it.
>>78870804
>She's got a bangin' set of titties.
>>78870924
I got called a Disney shill the other day for saying that I loved the humor in TFA.
TFA is much like JJ's Trek movies.
A visually gorgeous spectacle with nothing to say, no point to make, no message to send, no reason for being, and no reason to give a shit about it in a decade.
>>78870034
All I said is that I disagree, so allow me to explain.
I feel the very similar to >>78870176. The pacing is the worst in this film. You have the beginning of the movie focused on the search for Luke Skywalker, that takes a grinding halt for the 1/4 of the movie until the last two minutes. In between, we switch between so many sequences so quickly that's it's like a Marvel movie.
Also, the editing is awful, which ties back into the pacing of the film. There is very little visual downtime in this film. People like to meme about Lucas 'So dense' statement, but that criticism can be levied against TFA too.
The film was being edited basically right until release, and it shows in the pacing and the soundtrack. Since the film was never locked to picture, the OST is the worst Star Wars soundtrack yet, with the Main Title being the weakest its ever been in 40 years since ANH.
Why is the film not well written? Starkiller Base, and the current state of the galaxy.
>B-but all that stuff will be in the sequels!
That doesn't excuse the poor world building they did. The rule of threes does not apply here. A third death star with another trench run was dumb. The only logical place for it to go now is to have a bigger Starkiller Base in IX.
Everyone want to shy away from politics because they think it wasn't done well in the PT. Well, you can't have a narrative that is partly driven by politics and ignore them. All the real answers to the state of the New Republic and why the Resistance exists are in the guidebooks.
I also don't think Lawrence Kasdan is a great writer. He complains for years after the ESB/ROTJ, writes a few things nobody cares about, and suddenly gets the opportunity to return to Star Wars years later only to write the OT film he wasn't involved in.
>>78863031
>R2D2's intro is fun and functional enough.
It was massively underwhelming for who he is.
>>78871063
>no point to make
>nothing to say
>no message to send
>no reason for being
Except, "you can look forward to a good Star Wars flick for the first time in 30 years"
>>78871046
Sounds like it was just a shitposter anon. I think TFA was funny too, maybe the funniest Star Wars movie. I can't imagine too many people here would disagree
>>78871032
But then aren't the people in this thread contrarians for hating what everyone else outside of 4chan likes?
>>78868963
No?
>>78870966
It means using a wrong to try and solve a wrong. Having the argument 'Well CREED didn't get criticized like TFA for having the same problems!' or 'Well the prequels were criticized too so any criticism for a new Star Wars movie just means Star Wars fans can't be pleased!' is using a wrong to defend a movie that has problems.
>>78870804
>Love it when she doesn't wear a bra on the show.
I love it when Abbi gets shit on
>>78871046
>Disney shill
It's shitposters and trolls bro. This board has been infested lately but some of the night threads are free. The hidden threads arebro tiertoo.
>>78871046
I enjoyed the humor as well. The exchange on Jakku between Kylo and Poe was funny to me, and this too.
>>78871083
>
Everyone want to shy away from politics because they think it wasn't done well in the PT. Well, you can't have a narrative that is partly driven by politics and ignore them.
>what is A New Hope
>>78871063
It's a film about family, like all Star Wars movies. Hell, Han actually became a more interesting character to me because of him being Kylo's father.
>>78870179
>people who like a movie admit it has flaws
>people who love the movie put their fingers in their ears and go 'NANANANANANA I CAN'T HEAR YOU'
Every internet argument ever. And before you ask 'well were are the explanations' don't act stupid because you know there are some very legitimate criticisms in this very thread.
>>78863304
I wonder if we'll see him again.
>>78863916
>>78871142
ANH didn't ignore politics. They were discussing them on the Dearth Star.
>>78871160
There hasn't been a line on 4chan between "I liked the movie and it had flaws" and "it was dogshit because it had flaws"
there is an abhorent hate for the film that hinges on things like "soul" and "heart"
>>78871133
>>78871133
>The exchange on Jakku between Kylo and Poe was funny to me, and this too.
Jesus fucking christ. I bet this makes you giggle uncontrollably too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yCtH2xUBXg
>>78870789
The place was an old Jedi temple, it was probably a place capable of causing visions like the cave in Dagobah or the temple in Lothal
>>78871215
>you're a retard if you like this movie
nice one pal
>>78870772
>>78870800
I was the guy who posted the thing about how this threads are hell. This is what i'm talking about. Someone posts something and some other people needs to attack his opinion. We get it, it's not canon. It can still be discussed. Believe me, the only EU thing I know is KotOR and some comics.
>>78871195
>There hasn't been a line on 4chan between "I liked the movie and it had flaws" and "it was dogshit because it had flaws"
There is literally someone arguing that the movie was great but went a little too far in borrowing from Episode 4 in this thread. Ironically you're being the person who's irrationally trying to make this a black and white thing where anyone who dislikes some things in the movie must hate the whole movie for reasons that aren't actually legitimate.
>>78870361
Well lets look at the OT, anon. Each episode were movies with unique expansions to the heroes of the franchise. They didnt depend on the original Star Wars success to regain their fans' interest. They tried to be original in its story and expand its characters, its story, and its lore. It didnt come back to the original places too much and just moved on. To relate to repetition, some star wars fans did not like the repeated death star in ROTJ.
So when a movie comes out to solely repeat the past, not determined to create its own story, it comes out as a very disappointing movie. Some fans want to see a new expansion to their series, not a callback, similar to what the OT did, and the prequels attempted to do, with their ever expanding stories. Yes, the OT was great and all, but it attempted to define itsself. TFA just tried to remake a new hope, and with less success and appeal to some star wars fans. Basically, the theme of star wars is that Star Wars was supposed to introduce something new and magical with each movie. Some scenes are similarmuh potterybut they have different purposes. TFA mimicked Star Wars: a new hope, with the exact same purposes, and drastically similar plot lines. Its unfortunate and true, and that is why some anons, like myself, were sorely disappointed, but accepting of the movie. We know its trying to be like new hope, and its fun, but its not star wars fun, just repeated fun, if that makes any sense. Were not asking you to reconsider your opinion, but you cant dismiss that the movies were trying too hard to be like the OT, when star wars, ib my opinion, is supposed to be a consistent, but also expanding and fun story. Im not asking for star wars with depth, but just new chapters in the big arc of this simple galaxy, far, far away.
>>78871215Go fuck yourself
>>78871215
>THAT GUY LIKES SOMETHING I DIDN'T. HE MUST HAVE THE COMEDIC TASTE OF A TODDLER
Why do you have to be so rude my friend?
>>78871257
>Someone posts something and some other people needs to attack his opinion.
We've been invaded with trolls. We knew this would happen with TFA. However, they are slowly disappearing. Rebels is about to air again so, rest easy soon.
>>78871160
The guy that made the review that anon posted earlier literally mentions the flaws of TFA before he talks about the stuff he liked. I also think the movie has flaws, but the good outweighs the bad BY FAR. I was surprised by how much hate this movie received after I watched it in the theatre because for me it was the first time for years that I honestly enjoyed a new movie.
>>78871262
Sorry if you haven't been online enough to see that discussing TFA on 4chan is about as much fun as eating a bowl of nails. That "black and white mentality" is very much a real thing, and I have been called a shit eating pleb for liking this movie
I'd go elsewhere if posting non-anonymously was even worth it
>>78871243
>you're a retard if you like this movie
Based on this thread, it's a fair assumption. No one defending the movie can do so like an adult.
>>78871302
>Rebels is about to air again so, rest easy soon.
We barely discuss Rebels in here since it's not very good in the first place. It's mostly the waifufags looking to get their rocks off to Hera and /ss/ fantasies.
>>78871265
>it had something similar to a death star and a desert planet, therefor it must be the same movie
I love how people confuse the superficial for the substance.
>>78871265
>Basically, the theme of star wars is that Star Wars was supposed to introduce something new and magical with each movie.
You mean like a deserting stormtrooper, a villain who is drawn to the light side or completely new force abilities?
>>78871351
When the show is airing we do discuss it, but since it's on break there's nothing much besides the comics and TFA to talk about
TFA has done exactly what I wanted to the playing field and I'm so happy.
>>78871083
>the 1/4 of the movie
Was Han Solo and his sidekicks the show. Should've spent this time exploring more about Finn and Rey desu. Poe should've joined them on the MF, too.
>>78871428
Complete reset. Thank god.
>>78871419
Plus the hype for TFA basically overshadowed it but things will eventually go back to normal only for it to return to this state before Rouge One. This is now going to be a yearly occurrence for these threads
>>78871419
The last few episodes barely got 100 posts each when they first aired.
>>78871465
I mean with Star Wars discussion, nothing else.
>>78871351
Newfag please.
>>78871351
We do discuss it when it airs, TFA was always going to hog the attention and we predicted that months ago. But nice try.
>>78871480
Because nobody wants to watch the fucking Ahsoka show.
Filoni ruined it.
>>78871480
Depends on the quality of the episode like that awful Sabine and Ketsu episode,. With TFA out of the way, discussion should return to normal after a month or so
>>78871549
We barely discuss it when it airs. Most people lost faith in it's ability to be good.
>>78871385
It had
>a main character who lives on a shitty desert planet who then meets an old man to go on an adventure where they will become a jedi
>a rebe- I mean resistance droid hiding plans from the empi- first order
>a giant planet destroying space station
>a cocky pilot
>the saving of a captured resistance member from the first order
>the Jedi extinct
>the republic destroyed
>a small rag tag group of rebels led by Leia
>the old mentor character killed by the new black masked bad guy whom he had a past with
And many many more. I loved the movie but you can't just deny that it was taking very heavily from Episode 4. I even understand that they HAD to do that but necessity still doesn't mean that the movie playing so safe wasn't a bad thing. It suffers in that it will be remembered as being too similar to Episode 4 and possibly (due to the modern dialogue) not timeless like the other movies.
>>78871552
>Ahsoka show
She's only been in like 4 of the 9 episodes of season 2 so far and when she is it's only for like 5 minutes at most.
Star Wars is the new MCU, i don't see how anyone who isn't part of Disney or a casual fan can think this is a good thing.
>>78871592
>I don't actually follow these threads but I'm gonna pretend I do
Okay, whatever you say
>>78871556
>that awful Sabine and Ketsu episode
Why the hate though? I thought it was fine for a 22 minutes episode.
>>78871606
The only problem with it is lots of movies in a short time.
>>78871556
>Sabine and Ketsu episode
I still don't trust Ketsu all that much, she betrayed her once, what's to say she won't do it again? This time she has the Ghost Crew in a trap as well.
>>78871552
>nobody wants to watch the fucking Ahsoka show.
>tfw only watching Rebels for Ahsoka
>>78871556
>With TFA out of the way, discussion should return to normal
So a fucking snail's pace because everyone is going to jump ship again?
>>78871634
It wasn't a horrible episode, just boring. What I don't get is why after one or two dull episodes people were already screaming "SEASON 2 IS CRAP REBELS IS OVER FUCK THIS FUCK FILONI FUCK DISNEY"
