>Zack Snyder: ‘Justice League’ Film Will Explore ‘the Mythology’ of Doomsday
>“I know what’s in the movie, so I know there’s other stuff,” Snyder laughed, checking in via phone from Los Angeles, where he’s putting the final touches on the March 25 release.
>“We had a long conversation about just taking ownership of that, of giving it to the audience in a controlled way that I felt was consistent with the escalation of the campaign,” said Snyder, a commercials veteran.
>“In a weird way, Justice League is the next step for these characters to form a bigger team,” he teased. “Maybe there’s a bigger enemy to fight.”
>Did he mean Darkseid? Brainiac? Ever ambiguous, Snyder hinted at what he may or may not have in mind for Justice League’s “bigger enemy.” “Well, you have Doomsday, right? He doesn’t just crawl out of the ground. He has his own mythology, right? So that has to be explored…”
>To us it really made sense to give [Doomsday] to the audience now. I really wanted to make the audience a promise that… though I’m super excited and happy and fulfilled by the conflict of Batman and Superman, there’s also a bigger world to start to think about.”
Doomsday will have ties to Brainiac and Brainiac will be Kryptonian based and in the end JLs villain will be Brainiac
>Snyder’s the one laying down the roadmap. “It is constantly evolving, but we’re starting to get a handle on where we’re going with the world,” he said. “That’s fun because it allows us now to be driving toward a goal that we don’t have to make up as much. The rules can be the rules, and the movie can exist in a closed universe… it allows us to tie things together. If there’s a movie over here doing this, and we’re over here doing this, now we’re all on the same page.
>“It allows for a coherent universe, which is important,” he added. “I think that makes the experience a little more satisfying because we know where we’re going, so the misdirects can be stronger and the reveals can be bigger.”
>“We made him fight,” Ayer told USA Today. “He’s awesome (as Batman)...You really sense that but for the grace of God he himself would be doing some really foul stuff out in the world.”
>“The great thing about having Chris Terrio as the writer of this project is it’s hard to get him not to do that. It’s in his DNA,” he said. “When we talk about it in mythological terms we’re always talking about, what does it mean to the world? What does it mean mythologically to us, now? What is the why of all of it?”
>“Those conversations are a big part of the genesis of all of the ideas,” he continued. “It also offers an opportunity because you have now a variety of perspectives on a single issue. That allows the conversation to be bolder and more lively in the debate, because of these varied points of view.”
And link
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/12/zack-snyder-justice-league-film-will-explore-the-mythology-of-doomsday.html
>>78926108
Better than blowing your load on Darkseid right off.
So cyborg alien Brainiac or Kryptonian AI Brainiac? What's your preference /co/
This is a terrible way to create a universe. Have one movie do it's own thing and explain it in the second one? BvS addressing the destruction of Metropolis, JL explaining Doomsday's origins. The next movie in a series should build off the previous, not spend time explaining or fixing it.
>"We give thanks to the great god Rao and celebrate his victory over Cythonna."
>"We remember those who fell during the Last War"
>"Beware Bertron's curse, for he is named Doomsday."
They might establish a connection between Bertron (and his experiments) and Brainiac.
>>78926063
>multiple films dedicated to Doomsday
>>78926520
>that comprehension
yep. marvelbaby confirmed
>>78926538
Where is that from?
>>78926660
They should totally kill the villains. Just like my Marvel movies :^)
>>78926063
but Doomsday did literally just crawl out of the ground, the mystery behind him is what made him cool. Everything else that was added later just sucked.
>>78926684
The MoS extras, 'Krypton Decoded' if I remember correctly.
>>78926676
>To us it really made sense to give [Doomsday] to the audience now.
>Snyder hinted at what he may or may not have in mind for Justice League’s “bigger enemy.” “Well, you have Doomsday, right? He doesn’t just crawl out of the ground. He has his own mythology, right? So that has to be explored…”
I'm interpreting that as Doomsday is coming up in BvS but the bigger enemy in Justice League will explain his origins
>>78926063
>‘Justice League’ Film Will Explore ‘the Mythology’ of Doomsday
Fucking why?
Everything shown or said about the Snyder shit has been terrible.
>>78926764
Exactly. Doomsday's just not a terribly interesting character to explore...
>>78926448
Why not both?
>>78926340
Based Snyder protecting us from some shitty jl origins/war
>>78926847
poor robot
>>78926847
>Fucking why?
Because if you use words like epic and mythic enough people will start ascribing depth where there is none.
>>78926340
They're never doing Darkseid. You know why.
>>78927022
I'm going to tell myself it's because they're intelligent enough to know they can't so him justice, even if it's a lie.
>>78926847
>TFW that robot is literally you
Can a DC psycho not shoot up a theater and instead kill Zack Snyder.
He needs to be stopped.
>>78927130
Damn son. I didn't realize robots could post on 4chan. Let alone feel emotions. Get better at soccer already idiot.
>>78926847
>>78926959
>>78927130
COME ON!
>>78927153
Ebin. Simply ebin. :)
>>78926108
Superman continues to validate his existence by fighting threats he wouldn't need to fight if Superman wasn't there?
>>78926063
>Zombie Zod is mythology
DCasuals will actually defend this.
>>78926887
But krypton and the codex are great stuff to explore, also lex os>>78927022
>>78927220
Dance off.
>>78927153
>Snyder gets murdered
>DC hires Michael Bay in his place
This is your fault
>>78927220
>>78927242
Guys, guys. You're both massive faggots. :)
>>78927022
>darkseid is a much better character than thanos
>they know marvel will make thanos better in the movies than they could ever make darkseid
well, at least they know their own limitations
>>78927178
>>78926063
>Film Will Explore ‘the Mythology’ of Doomsday
or lack thereof
>>78926847
I keep watching this hoping he will finally kick the ball.
>>78927263
>Darkseed
>A character
lol
>>78926063
>‘the Mythology’ of Doomsday
Isn't BvS and the 6 Lord of the Rings movies enough?
>>78927387
yeah, i might be wrong here, but doomsday was basically an ass-pull plot device to do a story about the death of superman, right? he's a mindless beast, he has no "mythology"
>>78927551
Yeah, he came out of a hole in the ground and that was it.
Everything came later.
>>78927252
>Michael Bay
He's too tied up in Transformers and Turtle shit.
>>78927551
For fucks sake why can't you idiots read? Its pretty clear they are talking of the origin of doomsday as in krypton history
>>78927595
Just like with batman ;) or superman
So the Justice League movie is already ruined.
Fucking Christ. I had my hopes up but DC keeps fucking up again and again.
>>78927663
So why not say the origin of Zod. Since that's who Doomsday is (fucking retarded).
And even still that would be hella redundant.
Man of Steel was pretty good and this will probably be okay too
>>78926063
Just fucking stop talking and showing shit, god damn
We're still months away from the movie, why the hell do i need to already know the main threat won't be 100% defeated? Hell, i didn't want to know about Dooomsday's presence in the first place, the advertisment of this movie went too quickly from Batman vee Superman to [s]The Avengers[/s] Justice League: the Teaser
At this rate by the time the movie comes out i'll even know how many times Wonder Woman puked behind the scenes to stay "fit"
>>78927219
Lex was right.
>>78926063
>Mythology of Doomsday
Doomsday doesn't have a fucking mythology, he's just a big meant to kill Superman.
Also Doomsday looks like a slightly more ugly Thing here.
>>78927733
He's just a clone from zod's biological material. Then batman sees superman taking a beating and reveals HIS secret weapon to stop Doomsday:the clone from superman's biological material-Bizarro! So now we got bizarro in there too, but THEN, the shockwaves of a superman/doomsday/wonder woman/bizarro four-way punch shatter the portal to earth three and Ultraman is like "what up, bitches?".
AND THE FINAL BATTLE BEGINS
>>78926063
>“Maybe there’s a bigger enemy to fight.”
Yeah, the bigger enemy is you Zack Snyder.
>>78927842
I agree. All my hype deflated with Doomsday being in the new trailer. They just can't stop messing up.
Why exactly does /co/ hate Snyder so much? He literally can't say anything without this place going into a fit of autismal rage. It's not like you guys read comics, so it can't be anything related to that.
>>78928066
it's kind of amazing really that marvel creates a better CU without having spider-man, x-men or FF when they start out. meanwhile DC has batman and superman and they just can't make it work
>>78928187
Because MUH WATCHMEN and MUH MAN OF MURDER
>>78928187
I don't really hate him. I just think they could've found someone better to run the DCEU.
>bigger team
forever evil confirmed.
>>78926887
Also in this case where is the mystery? Lex messes around with a corpse and makes Frakenzodoomsday.
>>78928246
He's not the only one running it.
>>78928213
Honestly you can make the case that it's because the MCU didn't have them is the reason they become so successful.
>>78928187
>Why exactly does /co/ hate Snyder so much?
Because he's a hack?
>>78928278
Presumably he just wanted to revive/clone Zod. Now, why did it go to shit and create Doomsday?
>>78927219
Soooo, like the comics?
>>78928303
possibly. if they did we'd never have so many characters have a chance to get their own movies because they would just be doing spider-man and X-men movies
>We'll explore the mythology of doomsday
So, according to the mythology, Doomsday is created from Lex Luthor using the decomposing corpse of General Zod, and is then quickly defeated by a combination of superman, batman, wonderwoman, and maybe aquaman?
>>78928187
You honestly think it's a /co/ thing, to not like Snyder?
>>78928339
that's a mystery
>herp derp i'm an arrogant, overly confident megalomaniac playing with the biology of an alien thousands of years ahead of anything on earth, WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?
>>78928332
>rottentomatoes
Oh lurd.
>>78926063
>He has his own mythology, right?
Not really, no.
Nothing very interesting anyway, he's just a fucking monster
>>78928339
>Now, why did it go to shit and create Doomsday?
Not very compelling.
>>78928339
Kryptonians have genetic copyright protection to keep other races fron cloning them. Some say the mutation is a response to that.
>>78928332
You got any opinions of your own there, son?
>>78928395
It's also a /tv/ thing.
>>78927714
>I've never read comics: the post
Batman and Superman were fully realized in their first stories, with Superman gaining new concepts later on from radio serials
What's he gonna show on Conan tomorrow guys?
>>78928239
>Because he's directed awful movies
Fixed for (You), my memeing friend.
>>78928502
:^^^^^^^3
>>78928476
More of Batman sperging out, some reason having a texas drawl and using a halloween voice changer.
Why doesn't Superman just throw him into space? Doomsday can't fly
>>78928451
He clearly has his own opinions and is using the feedback from critics and the public to back him up.
You really think people hate Man of Steel or Watchmen just to fit in? We don't force ourselves to hate things, believe it or not. We just do, when said things are garbage.
>>78926660
Don't forget that this Doomsday is Zod, so he's technically in the first DCEU movie too
>>78927153
If serious then you need to burn in the depths of mother fucking hell you worthless sadist piece of human fucking trash.
A person deserves to die because they make a movie for a different audience then you? I knew MOS haters were petty selfish narcissist but this is a whole new level.
Fuck you and Die if your serious.
>>78928746
I hope YOU are not being serious.
>>78928746
>Fuck you and Die if your serious.
Oh the ironing
>>78928560
>We just do, when said things are garbage
But even the very worst scene in MOS is not full on garbage, your confusing a film being perfectly competently made for a different audience then you as it being flawed on a story telling and film making level which is was not at all.
>>78928560
There's a difference between not liking something and hating it with a passion. Critics have moved on, you should too.
>>78928746
If serious then you need to burn in the depths of mother fucking hell you worthless sadist piece of human fucking trash.
A person deserves to die because they have an opinion that's different from yours? I knew MOS defenders were petty selfish narcissist but this is a whole new level.
Fuck you and Die if your serious.
>>78928246
Such as?
>>78928846
>Such as?
George Miller
>>78928815
I never said you deserve to die if you didn't like MOS/BVS/Snyder, I'm saying you deserve to die if you actually want him to be fucking murdered.
>mythology of doomsday
CLOSE UP ON OP'S PIC:
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>>78928882
I'd really like to see David Lynch direct a comic book movie.
>>78928796
MoS is very much flawed on a storytelling level.
Filmmaking more or less.
>>78928886
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>>78928332
Not and never will be relevant you fucking delusional idiot.
Why didn't Lex just attach Kryptonite to Doomsday? No way Supes could have beaten that
>>78928995
It will always be relevant.
Forever.
Deal with it or kill yourself.
>>78928924
No it was not, your pathetic mind not being able to understand flashbacks is not a flaw.
There is NOTHING fucking wrong with the god damn story.
You personally wishing that they did not have Clark unintentionally lead Zod here IS NOT A FUCKING FLAW!
>>78929041
Doomsday is a clone of Zod, so he's vulnerable to Kryptonite as well.That's how Batman kills it.
>>78929054
NO ITS NOT, becuase it was made for a target audience and they loved it, the target audience just want not every no taste having camp and joke addicted shit stain that sees movies these days. It accomplished EXACTLY what it set out to do.
>>78929066
Was Doomsday weak to Kryptonite in the comics? I know it's super fucking hard to get him to stay dead.
>>78928882
He sounds like he's done making movies. He just said he's not doing anymore Mad Max. Niggas old.
>>78929165
You literally just made that up. He's making two more mad max movies.
>>78929116
Doomsday isn't weak to anything
He made even Darkseid shit his pants
>>78929063
not the guy, but can i offer something here? I've recently started reading Earth One and I was mind blown by how much MoS stole from that. Mind blown. They just had Zod instead of the blue alien guy. superman even gets pinned to the ground by a beam, except instead of gravity it was a red sun beam
>>78929185
He announced it the other day
>>78929165
You don't need to direct to run the DCEU
>>78929185
Sorry to break the news to you anon.
http://pagesix.com/2016/01/11/george-miller-will-never-make-another-mad-max-movie/
>>78929041
Thing is, Lex is a fucking idiot for making Doomsday (if there isn't a twist like he's just reviving or cloning Zod but he turns into Doomsday, which I doubt because Superman could beat him again)
>>78929185
you really need to leave 4chan once in a while
>>78929217
>>78929234
For fucks sakes
>>78929234
>fans want more mad max
>make them wait decades
>make the best mad max yet
>quit
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>>78929063
I had no problem with the flashbacks.
The movie had a flawed story filled with contradicting messages, tonal whiplashes, awkward exposition and uneven pacing.
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>>78929185
http://www.wordandfilm.com/2016/01/george-miller-opts-out-directing-mad-max-sequels/
>>78929216
Nothing wrong with adapting earth one in part, Its tone and World building was ideal for a realistic Superman, the problem with EO v1, is Clark is unlikable and never seems to EVER care about helping others, MOS fixed that, in that he absolutely wants to help people but fears he may cause more harm then good. And the other is EOs first villain was lame as fuck while MOS fixed that also by giving us the best most sympathetic Zod we have ever gotten in any medium.
>>78926847
Indeed doomsday is an incredibly shitty villain but I guess someone has snyder's ear telling him this villain is amazing or something
JUST SWEET MY BOY UP
>>78928187
I hate him because he's an incredibly mediocre director
His worst movie sucker punch pretty much said all you need to know about someone who is only concerned with visuals and less with crafting a cohesive story
>bryan singer makes a bad superman movie
>scratch him out
>snyder makes a bad superman movie
>give him the reins to DCEU
>>78929346
>contradicting messages
No, it was never contradicting, it was nicely contrasting, the jesus/savior dialogue and imagery is to show his potential while we see the reality that he is just a flawed but good man striving to do great things in a world that may hate and fear him.
> tonal whiplashes
Only the jump from the death of Zod to the drone scene.
> awkward exposition
The scene were Jor tells Clark his origin was a beautiful humble moment of wonder and fulfillment.
>and uneven pacing.
Pacing was phenomenal, loved the slow pondering first 2 3rds contrasting the thunderously epic end.
>>78929450
Lex would love that he's bringing all of us together like this, ya know.
>>78928332
He's made quite a career of taking comic book shit and making it mediocre
Only good movie he's done is 300 and even that is spotty
>>78929536
>he is just a flawed but good man striving to do great things in a world that may hate and fear him.
I didn't realize Superman was an X-Man.
>>78928187
Well, he's done more for comic movies than Uwe Boll has for video game movies...there you go Zack, one nice thing was said about you ITT
>>78929522
But nether was a bad film, Returns was a stale homage to past films with a good villain but odd villainous plot and a lame Superman has a kid sub plot.
And mos see pic related.
>>78929536
No mate, just no
How delusional do you have to be to actually believe the excessive destruction was supposed to be a symbolic contrast with the extremely sutble Jesus theme? Not even Snyder says that, he just goes "but Avengers did it too! Muh serious movie with serious action"
>>78929580
He isn't, but putting Superman in a realistic and darker mistrustful world makes better contextual use of him, there is no point in a bright beacon of hope in a bright hopeful world.
>>78929041
>>78929066
Reminder there's no Kryptonite in the DC movieverse.
>>78929522
Superman Returns was the result of many attempts to make a new Superman movie, racking up budget costs over decades. It was a financial disaster.
>>78929707
jesus there's literally a scene in the trailer of lex staring at glowing green kryptonite
>>78929589
Video game movies are terrible. The only good one is Mortal Kombat and even that's a pretty awful movie. I don't know why it's so hard to make a good video game movie.
>>78929668
No, I never said the destruction was meant to be contrasting the Jesus imagery, I was saying Clark's characterization was.
The destruction was a result of the fact that this is meant to be a extremely realistic world and so Superman isn't portrayed as a mary sue that can do anything and everything perfectly regardless of his potential to do great things.
And the destruction has little to do with Superman's position as a savior as he did not cause the damage, Zod did, dumb fuck.
>>78929774
Wait what? Why'd we have an entire movie of Superman and other Kryptonians ~breathing Kryptonian atmosphere~ for the same effect if they're just going to introduce real Kryptonite in the next movie?
God I hate these fucking films.
>>78929806
Except he's still portrayed as a Mary Sue, and a boring one at that. Just a terribly incompetent one.
>>78929834
because zack the hack
>>78930001
He looks like he wants to make love to the rock but he knows he can't and it's killing him inside.
>>78929985
>Mary Sue
Now this is one of those instances where you're using that term completely wrong. Clark is very flawed, and doesn't always win.
>>78929985
They fact that he had to kill Zod proves he is not a mary sue.
>>78930046
why do you think he loses his hair.
"Sir, should be come back later?"
"THIS HOLE WAS MADE FOR ME."
*whap whap whap...splurt*
>>78928746
lol
>>78929834
>>78930001
So shouldn't you be blaming the guy who actually wrote the fucking stories then? Fucking Snyder hate from neck beards i tell you....
>>78930133
Will Lex teach Superman that if there's a hole, it's a man's job to thrust into it?
>>78929806
Clark doesn't have a characterization in this movie, or at least not a proper character arc, that's one of it's biggest flaws
Post-costume Clark is never shown being that saviour. He doesn't even try, the last heroic thing he does in the movie is giving himself up to Zod. Then he punches a machine and then saves his girlfriend, that's it, there's no conflict in the character until he kills Zod (which makes it even more weird because it gives the impression he he cares more about the life of a mad tyrant than thousands of civilians, but whatever)
There's not a single line about how he wasn't good enough, not a sad face about all the people that died despite his efforts against the terraforming machine, no, the movie doesn't care about that, the final scenes are super-punch against super-punch followed by destruction of satellites and "he's so sexy"
I mean, there's a fucking reason why all the drones go "but they'll show the consequence of his actions in BvS!", there's no resolution to Superman's character in the damn movie
>>78927022
But muh Knightmare Parademons.
>>78930174
"Do it Superman, show the Bat what his holes are for."
Its what his Knightmare was about. Those guys pinning him down so Superman could get a dlying start for the deep shot.
>>78928811
You really expect people not to talk about MoS still when it's sequel is about to come out?
>>78929652
>Superman has a kid sub plot.
I wonder how they would have handled Superbastard if the movie got sequels.
>>78926448
Both breh
Starts of as a Kryptonian AI who becomes a cyborg alien.
>>78926538
Who's Bertron ?Is there an Ernietron?
>>78928332
How could Snyder fuck up my favorite book series, IT'S NOT THAT HARDER TO FUCK UP. You don't have to make it exactly similar to the books, taking liberties is fine but... Snyder just fucked it up.
Also he pretty much fucked up the point of Watchman. So he ruined two things for me.
>>78930171
Snyder wrote the story along with David Goyer and Chris Terrio wrote a script based on it.
>>78930196
>Post-costume Clark is never shown being that saviour. He doesn't even try
Saving 7 BILLION Lives twice is not being a savior??? Almost dying to stop the machine isn't trying???
> (which makes it even more weird because it gives the impression he he cares more about the life of a mad tyrant than thousands of civilians, but whatever)
BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING HE CAN DO ABOUT THE CIVILIANS WHILE HE IS IN ONE ON ONE COMBAT WITH ZOD, you seriously want the director to break up the fight so Clark can weep over those already dead instead of fighting to stop Zod to save those that are still alive, are you fucking serious?
>>78930342
The script for Bryan Singer's "The Man of Steel" leaked.
>Superman is watching Jason from afar.
>Brainiac arrives on Earth, is a Kryptonian A.I. that can possess automaton bodies.
>Superman destroys all of Brainiac's bodies.
>Brainiac then manages to transfer his consciousness to Jason's body, artifically aging him into a young adult with abilities that equal Superman's.
>Superman is forced to kill Jason to save Metropolis and destroy Brainiac.
>it's a Snyder hate episode
Why tho?
https://youtu.be/2L6GHHUt1eE
>>78930373
>them thighs
>>78930525
>forced to kill your son to save the world
Should have burned him out of the internet.
>>78930497
Why do you always use the "MUH 7 BILLION" argument when all superheroes have done the same in their movies? It's not an unbelieve feat that only Superman has done, film-wise.
>>78930339
Nothing new has been said on here in 3 years. It's still memeposting.
>>78930402
the nigga that made doomsday
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Bertron_(New_Earth)
>>78930559
Snyder is a competent visual director, but he's also rather pretentious and a bit of a douchebag. Add to that the fact both "Watchmen" and "Man of Steel" are very divisive movies which did a lot that people genuinely consider to be wrong, and it's easy to understand why some people aren't sweet on the guy.
Particularly, I think he'd be much better off if he stopped tried to reinvent the wheel through superhero movies and just committed to delivering an entertaining movie. But he seems to obsessed with proving himself as an auteur to do so.
>>78930559
Acting like any of that makes a good Director. He's still not as good as could be if he just worked to impove what doesn't work.
>>78928882
Wasn't he going to do the awful sounding and looking JL film?
Sounds like a dodged bullet.
>>78930602
Memes are the DNA of the soul, Jack.
>>78930171
>......
Hello Reddit
>>78930497
>you seriously want the director to break up the fight so Clark can weep over those already dead instead of fighting to stop Zod to save those that are still alive, are you fucking serious?
Haha, why not? But no, it wasn't necessary to interrupt the fight, he could've done that when he arrived to Metropolis, when Zod was still thought to be dead. But nope, it's super important to have him kiss Lois on a ground zero instead because this totally unconventional and groundbreakingly realistic superhero movie still needs the shoehorned romance. Please
>>78930571
Because IT IS NOT POSSIBLE for him to save people one by one when fighting Zod alone considering how fast they move.
> Proof - The ONE time Superman gets distracted to look up at the parking garage exploding Zod INSTANTLY is upon him punching him down.
So the big picture is what he has to worry about in this scenario not the individuals on the street.
And this is one of the best examples of saving the big picture in film, as it actually cost Clark something to so so, he almost dies to stop the world engine, he has to take out the scout ship and the last chance to save his race, and has to kill Zod.
Superman being able to save the world perfectly with non consequence or downside is the definition of a mary sue resolution and its fun but not as engaging.
>>78930602
Nothing new has been said because we've talked about all of the flaws already.
Also fuck off fa/tv/irgin
>>78926063
What mythology, exactly? He's just an excuse villain to make The Death of Superman happen. At least Bane did a few other things to grow out of his role as the same thing for Knightfall, Doomsday hasn't really done anything else beyond that. Probably because he's a lot less usable considering a nigh-invincible berserking monster is both not very interesting to build stories about and much harder to get rid of without breaking credibility.
>>78930756
I agree the kiss wasn't needed, however, In context it was not out of romance and more out of the fact that the 2 needed comfort and stability after both almost being torn apart atom by atom in a black hole, they were both literally shaking as they embraced.
>>78930761
You can have downsides without undermining the core concept you're selling.
But whatever, it's been three years and I'm tired of this endless debate OVER AND OVER AND OVER again.
>>78929105
so you mean its a cult movie?
>>78930837
If there's a SuperBatman, is there also a Banesday?
>>78930840
Come on, it's a romantic kiss. Let's not split hairs about it.
And it was awful.
>>78930761
>Because IT IS NOT POSSIBLE for him to save people one by one when fighting Zod alone considering how fast they move.
You people say stuff like this as if the story in the movie went that way because it had to follow some natural rules and not because it was written purposefully like that
>>78930881
No, the audience that wants to see a serious toned take on Superman is a good amount bigger than a cult following, hence why the RT score is split down the middle.
>>78930911
Lois being a creepy stalker with a big dick doesn't help.
>>78930917
It was following the rules of the realistic world they set up.
The only way to write it otherwise would be to make them slow and not half as impressive like Superman 2 did or have Zod just stand/float around doing nothing while Superman saves people.
>>78929522
>Snyder makes Sucker Punch
>Flops
>Snyder makes Watchmen
>Barely pays itself
>Snyder makes Man of Steel
>WB expects movie to be the highest grossing movie of the studio, passing Harry Potter with $1.3 billion
http://variety.com/2013/film/news/warner-bros-sets-bar-high-for-latest-and-priciest-incarnation-of-superman-1200493334/
>Movie makes HALF of that
>Gives Snyder complete reign over the entire DC property
How does he do it?
>>78930769
We've talked about opinions that makes me wonder if some of you are literally autistic and don't understand empathy.
>>78931504
>Produced by Deborah Snyder
His wife pays the bill.
>>78931504
>>WB expects movie to be the highest grossing movie of the studio, passing Harry Potter with $1.3 billion
>taking exec fluff hype literally
I think you might be autistic.
>>78931504
He knows people. That's pretty much it. He and his Wife are pretty controlling.
>>78931504
He beats up everyone else who tries to take his place
>>78931636
Though that is why all the Superman films that were going to come up next were shelved and they sped up putting Batman back into the mix.
>>78930559
>That room of causals at the end
Fuckin TMZ
>>78930911
Thousands of corpses lay behind them and Zod is still on the loose. There was nothing romantic about it. All it proved is supernan doesn't care about people.
>>78931810
He's kinda autistic like Batman.
>>78931636
Even if they didn't expect to be the highest grossing movie, they surely expected to break 1 billion just like TDK and TDKR
>>78931810
It's a pretty standard cinematic "Thank God we're alive" kiss. It's not real life you dingus.
>>78927219
>Superman continues to validate his existence by fighting threats he wouldn't need to fight if Superman wasn't there?
Just like he did in Superman II
Or how the Avengers did with Loki and Ultron
Or how Batman does with the Joker
>>78926063
WHY DO THEY KEEP FUCKING DOING THIS.
EVERY TIME THESE NIGGERS OPEN THEIR MOUTHS AND SPOIL THE FUCKING MOVIE MORE MY DESIRE TO GO SEE IT BECOMES LESS. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU EXPECT ME TO ENJOY A MOVIE IF I GET ALL MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED BEFORE IT COMES OUT AND I ENTER THE THEATER TWO STEPS AHEAD OF THE PLOT?
fucking goddamn you niggers are dense. Stop with the fucking formula already.
>>78927219
Just like the comics.
And the Marvel movies.
>>78931444
MoS is not more or less realistic thatn most cape movies, stop using that word, negative ending =/= realism
This movie is going to piss so many Reeve era fans off. I don't know of anyone can survive it the backlash it will get.
>>78931955
Name one other time two characters have kissed with the backdrop of a crater of a thousand dead and they weren't villains.
>>78932071
Part of why the critics got all pissy about the last one.
>>78932115
Thor
>>78932066
It didn't have a negative ending. It literally ended with a spree of bad jokes.
>>78932066
The ending wasn't negative.
>>78932071
You know those Reeve movies? They came out about 40 years ago. No one cares except nerds.
>>78928882
Nope he was going to have Batman snap someone neck and had Superman being brainwashed and destroyed a building.
Plus he thinks Superman is boring and thus would have gotten it wrong.
>>78932143
Wrong.
>>78932115
Well if it has to be a crater you can't, but I reckon it happens in war movies and disaster movies all the time.
>>78932066
Yes it is, the world and setting is much more grounded, army has no laser guns or flying cars, people are mistrustful of others, destruction and consequences happen proving that Superheroes can not solve everything.
>>78932183
Wrong again.
>>78932042
Maybe you're just an oversensitive baby who makes too many assumptions about the information you're given. Ever think of that?
If it wasn't Zack people would bitch about other things.
This boils down to NOT MY DC or NOT MY DADDYS DCU. If so just fuck off and watch the CW shows or go back to the Bruce Timm Universe.
>>78932151
It would be better if it had a negative ending instead, and would justify BvS much more.
>>78932215
You're an idiot. I said it so it's fact now.
>>78932303
Seems pretty well justified to me mate.
>>78932151
>>78932157
I meant negative as in "lotsa people died, city half destroyed", my impression was that anon thinks that's enought to set it apart from other capes
Apparently i was wrong, it's more stupid than that >>78932185
>>78932157
>You know those Reeve movies? They came out about 40 years ago. No one cares except nerds.
My teenage sister loves them. Don't underestimate that charm
this movie is going to be a real crowded mess
>>78932185
So just like Marvel via Netflix
>>78932115
Watchmen
Everything I've heard about the upcoming DCEU sounds cool. If it's executed well is what remains to be seen. Personally I like that the big bads will mostly be Superman villains.
Zack is the only guy over at WB who was pushing for a shared DC movie verse, otherwise you'd get nothing more than more Batman movies and probably a Superman reboot.
Hell Spider-Man has been rebooted three fucking times in one decade, what was stopping them from doing it again by getting rid of Snyder?
>>78932448
Another Snyder movie, also still wrong because that cunt couldn't find a way to make the mushroom cloud dream real.
>>78932342
The crux of the conflict in BvS is Batman has a bad dream.
Probably Lex discovers the Doomsday secret that Braniac destroyed Krypton for Darkseid for and maybe Brainiac or Desaad is already on Earth working with him
>>78932358
How is any of that stupid?
>>78932548
The crux is that Batman is existentially threatened by Superman. He feels like if he can remove the potential threat of Superman it's the only thing he'll ever do that will matter to humanity in the long run.
>>78932157
>You know those Reeve movies? They came out about 40 years ago. No one cares except nerds.
I agree but just saying I don't want another copy cat reeve movie like Returns was trying to be but failed.
I welcome this new Superman, cause truth be told the only good thing about the other movies was the Reeve performance, the villains were terrible and they could come up with anything to really challenge Superman. Dude could turn back time etc, he was god and whats the point of watching a movie about a guy who is unstoppable? The narrative is just pointless.
What if
Now go along with me on this
What if
Ma KentxAlfred resulting in Clark and bruce being psuedo step-brothers
>>78928342
>>78932061
Not completely sure about that anons. I mean the superman from the comics faced problems and stuff that existed before him, and even without him there's stuff that's going to destroy earth.
MoS is more responsable for the menace that he faces.
For example bringing Zod for accident in MoS,and before you guys say anything, no I don't hate MoS I find it a interesting interpretation of Superman.
>>78932548
Are you a dumbass? The dream represents Batman's anxieties about Superman's destructive potential, it's not the cause of it. You act like Batman and Superman are only fighting because Bats ate too much cheese before bed. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, people like you who need everything spelled out are ruining movies for the rest of us.
Snyder is the kind of guy who thinks like a teenager messing with photoshop and keeps adding layers and layers of effects in every single shot because he thinks that makes them look "cool" while everyone else realizes it's a bit too much and distracting. No one should trust him.
>>78927219
Lex was right, you fucking aliens should get out of my earth
>>78932706
>>78932548
Bad dream and then he's grumpy towards Superman through the entire. Maybe we're missing the end of that dream where he had his Batcave plundered by Superman.
>>78932655
Raimi's Spiderman doesn't have flying cars, laser guns, people mistrust the hero, people die, yet i doubt anyone would describe the movie as realistic
I expect Batman v Superman to receive the same about of hate/love Man Of Steel got.
I do think WB should let to of Snyder as he's proven to be a very hit and miss director at best. I would for sure get someone else to direct Justice League.
However still looking forward to both this and Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman.
>>78932733
>MoS is more responsable for the menace that he faces.
>For example bringing Zod for accident in MoS
WHY IS THIS BAD? How does it lessen his heroism?
Accidents fucking happen, and before you say he was reckless in activating the scout ship, sure, but it was less reckless then letting the military deconstruct it for decades.
>>78926063
>Bigger enemy
Bane?
>>78932857
This. I'm not even excited for Justice League, I just want the other solo movies that may FINALLY happen.
>>78932706
>Ma KentxAlfred resulting in Clark and bruce being psuedo step-brothers
They should just go with the old canon where Jor-El intended Clark and Bruce to be step brothers
>>78932812
Jokes, humor, people who mistrust Spider-Man are portrayed as blind idiots and not people with valid concerns.
>>78932864
>WHY IS THIS BAD? How does it lessen his heroism?
Never said that was bad anon, you're putting words in my mouth. I just said Superman from MoS is more responsable and direct for the things he fights against, that's all. You should really learn how to read.
>Accidents fucking happen, and before you say he was reckless in activating the scout ship, sure, but it was less reckless then letting the military deconstruct it for decades.
We can't know for sure what was going to happen if the military got his hands in the ship. We just know what happen because of Superman using the ship.
>>78928668
Is he Zod or just a weird mutant clone?
>>78932061
Yeah, comics are trash but I think there's more nuance to movies than you think.
Stane was still going to be out there doing terrible things and getting people killed regardless of whether he had Tony's technology, and the death toll he racked up once he got ahold of it was minimal. It also makes sense for Tony's character arc for him to clean up his own mess. This is something that doesn't work quite as well in the sequels, so you're right there.
Thor is duped by Loki in his first movie, Loki wanting to conquer Earth as revenge is a result of Thor foiling for his schemes. Loki still exists with all his bad attitude and power complexes without Thor.
Cap is free of guilt for any bullshit his villains do. Guardians as well.
Hank is cleaning up his mess, but Scott is the actual protagonist, which exonerates Ant-Man of this.
Ultron is the most egregiously bad example. It really is just the Avengers putting on their maid outfits after spilling milk everywhere.
Doomsday is canonically Bertron's doing in Man of Steel according to the Planet Krypton extra in the MoS Blu Ray. All Snyder is saying is that he'll continue on that path, and I'm almost 100% sure this confirms Brainiac for JL.
>DC film universe built on Superman's shoulders
Based
>hurr Superman brought Zod here
"Everyone creates the thing they dread." That's metanarratively the reason for any supervillain's existence and it's no fault of the hero's (especially one who's actively trying to suppress his superpowers so as to not cause a worldwide panic). Why do you think people like Batman vs Joker so much? It recognizes that metanarrative and plays off of it. Joker wouldn't exist without Batman. Lex wouldn't be the person he is without Superman. Ultron wouldn't exist without Iron Man or Hank Pym.
>>78932968
>Loki still exists with all his bad attitude and power complexes without Thor.
So did Zod and the Scout Ship. Zod was still searching for a planet to terraform and "heretical" races to destroy and the US government was already uncovering the ship.
>>78932775
that and he's horrible at casting. Jesse Eisenberg picked for a "super secret" character and then gave him the better role of Lex which was the opposite of the character he was going to play.
>>78931936
No. They projected $700 million and got just about that. They hire analysts for a reason.
>>78933052
He totally was gonna be Jimmy
>>78932895
You honestly think the supporting cast in MoS was in anyway realistic? I mean, i give you papa Kent, he wasn't badly written but he was indeed misused. But the rest? Brave reporter gurl? Grumpy army man? Doctor Scientist? Clumsy secretary? "He's so sexy" girl? There's nothing realistic about the "he saved us" reaction
>>78933052
>>78933078
>"super secret" character
If its Jimmy, and they were going for an Eisenburg-tier actor that we haven't seen yet, who do you think they picked?
It seems so strange to keep him on the down low
>>78932279
Which is funny cause this is the most faithful WB has ever been with their live action movies. I don't even know why people are mad.
>>78933072
>They projected $700 million
Not true.
and mos only made 640million
>>78933080
>There's nothing realistic about the "he saved us" reaction
Him stopping the world engine DID save that group that said those words, and it did save the ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD.
>>78933132
>>78933078
I dunno, I had the feeling it could have been Ted Kord.
>>78932895
>people who mistrust Spider-Man are portrayed as blind idiots and not people with valid concerns.
So.... Like BvS? Where Superman naysayers are
>Evil
Luthor
>Misguided
Batman and Holly Hunter
>Dumbasses
The anti-Superman protesters.
>>78933080
>Grumpy army man
You shut your whore mouth about Stabler
>>78933033
And had Superman not made it to Earth, Zod never would have either. Loki attacking Earth is brought on by Loki's schemes in Thor 1, not Thor himself. It's true that, if Thor stayed on Earth, there'd be no Loki attacking it in Avengers, but since Loki was already doing his thing in Asgard, and the audience sees that going on, it takes the edge off by the time we get to the next movie.
Thor didn't bring Loki to Earth, Loki being a dick brought Loki to Earth.
>>78933080
>There's nothing realistic about the "he saved us" reaction
>Hm the ground isn't flying into the sky and being hurled at us anymore and this blue and red guy just showed up after saving a woman from a kilometer long fall
>YOU MURDERER
>>78933165
Oh shit, New52 Ted was pretty Zuckerburg-esque looking.
You could be onto something. I wonder if we will see Ted in BvS then?
>>78926847
god damn robot everytime
