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Weekly task:
>Get comfy for x-mas!
>Draw a /hyw/ related character celebrating the holidays - Bonus points if it's in the southern hemisphere.
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>>78270688
Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag
Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:
>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/
>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed
>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/
>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/
>*-Finally, here are some links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV
>*-Here’s the contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#
>*-We also got a SKYPE CHAT room going on,
To join the chat, seek out 'scribblehatch' or 'starlinemike' and they'll add you in.
>Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qby0ed4aVpo [Embed] [Embed]
>Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf
>Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/
>(NEW!) Fonts for your webcomic on Blambot:
http://www.blambot.com/
>Writing Resources:
http://www.cienciasecognicao.org/rotas/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Robert-McKee-Story.pdf
Aaaaand, doing the honours to Coldfusion request, here's his latest wip, feel free to check it out:
>>78331762
I'm converting the lousy animation I did into webm. When it's done converting, I'll post it.
>>78335355
I think you are forgetting something.
>>78335373
If it's it what I think it is, by now I rather give him the silent treatment. He hasn't done anything worth of my attention, and I'm not talking as an artist, but as a person, so I think it's not worth spending a single second on him.
If it's not that, please do tell.
I'm happy with how this came out. Thinking out even a simple mermaid's song was hard as hell, though. Will probably not have the next page finished by this week because of Christmas vacation, but hey what can you do
Anyhow, anybody doing some comic related thing for the celebration of our lord and savior's birthday? It's too late for me to make a page, but I was thinking an illustration would be nice; Miss Melee's was great
>>78331762
kek, that map got a laugh out of me.
>>78335420
It is and it was kind of a thing last thread but that's all up to you.
Awright, it's finally converted. Man I suck at this.
Making this took me almost seven hours from paper to exporting the file =/
>>78335487
I know what you mean, and granted, I thought about it, but I still think that only fans the flame.
Let him talk to a wall, he's not worth the bother.
Which webcomics do you think are going to "make it"?
>>78335567
Mine.
...I hope...
>>78335567
Fjordson or whatever it's called, everything else is shit.
Reposting the update from this weekend in case anybody missed it. What do you guys think?
reposting from last thread, yesterday i started my first webcomic:
http://supercelestialcomics.tumblr.com/
>>78335619
>Peter Pan: Muh re-imagination
If I want to see a pretty pictures I'll go to Scandinavian 'princess'(who happens to be male) deviant art page instead of reading his reskined Peter Pan: the comic.
>>78336017
Post the Christmas pic again... s-so those who missed it last thread can see it.
>>78336156
Sure!
>>78335509
You don't suck :)
>>78336071
Very Mignola-ish.
I'm a fan.
>>78335509
How are you drawing it out? Make sure you draw out keyframes first, and then draw the inbetweens. It really helps.
Here's a Merry Christmas comic for you:
http://www.favouritecrayon.co.uk/comic/ttnbf/
Five pages, in full colour. Took me around 8 days, which is pretty fast and unusual for me.
>>78336138
She literally has a photo of herself on her website? Most of the posters here are women anyway.
>>78336546
I made both normal and monster frame, with some extras like the dress and hair separately, and then added stuff in between. I admit not planning that long, but with the stuff I made, I think I can polish it a bit more.
I need to remember how to use the parent/child stuff to make the movement more smooth instead of manually switching and panning the frames.
I'll post an update once I get on with it.
Just updated mine.
>>78337240
I feel like the one-liner's too long.
If it was just "that's my hat.", it would be more snappy and flow better IMO (and also literally be a one-line).
>>78336017
>image swap giving convenient exposure outside of /hyw/
Aren't you lucky?
>>78335509
These are the pics outside the webm.
And the second one
>>78337446
>>78337453
Ahh thank you so much! I love them.
I cant see the webm stuff you posted though. My computer hates webm.
>>78337510
See if this works for ya
https://www.listenonrepeat.com/watch?v=l2syeircHQo
>>78337544
>https://www.listenonrepeat.com/watch?v=l2syeircHQo
It does! Thank you so much! This makes me so happy!
I don't know why it's taking me so long to think of a Christmas themed drawing for Little Bot.
I drew him in a Santa outfit last year. This year I kind of want to do a short comic.
>>78337704
Have him pose like a star on the top of a tree or something and have him glow. Do something that incorporates what he is into Christmas. And lights are the first thing that come to mind.
>>78332051Annabeth and Jack
>>78338337
>incest
Winter Mimi
>>78338496
Sure anon, you can believe.
>>78335373
I think you are forgetting that whoever posts that was asked to stop for one thread and only return to it if trouble a-brews
>>78335420
btw you were asking how you make a new thread with duplicate image whatever? you go to the PREVIOUS thread and link from that.
also you gotta re-link any embedded stuff from scratch so it doesnt (embed) (embed) (embed)
and now you know why nobody wants to do this.b ut thanks.
>>78335456
merrowwws alright we're finally there
>>78336138
i'm actually disappointed with how peterpan it aint
though it's getting slightly more peterpan in this bit, but scandy has said that it's not just a one to one. i was kinda hoping it would be
Finished this page!
>>78337273
that or put 'filthy.. scaven..ger..' in the previous panel, weakly coming out as he is literally revived by his lust for hat
>>78338605
all of my HNNNNGH
>>78339641
there's something to this, I think. the way that she's the only one smiling, and yet it feels as if she's the only one frowning in a room full of people laughing at her
>>78336584
it's a mythological kinda christmas. that is so up my alley.but wait a minute.. shouldn't the yule goat have preceded the tomte/nisse? ... did the krampus eat the goat? (or something worse?)
I will roll with this design for main character. No more redesign. No more reboot.
>>78339944
well you've said that before
lol i like the taped on maebari. also i really like her anatomy and all that stuff.
that said... i feel like I liked the eyes better on your old design. I don't remember what they looked like, but ... better? If you feel like making one more tweak, you could show us that again
>>78335341
Sorry to ask here, but the thread I got this from is on page 10 with 1 reply.
What webcomic is this thing from? I've seen it before and didn't get it then either.
>>78339944
I don't really understand how the vest is supposed to work with an open back like that. It looks like it would be impossible to have it follow her bust and waist so closely.
Also, even though you say you're done revising her outfit, two things I'd experiment with;
A, pants that go all the way up to the waist
B, giving her rolled-up sleeves rather than short sleeves.
I posted my work yesterday, but if anyone is interested in a more text-based webcomic, here's my work - www.thediaryofoscarrose.com
>>78339944
What is this for?
>>78340060
How about pic related?
>>78340270
I may add 2 more straps behind the breast and waist.
Minor details on clothing can be change later.
>>78340427
Well, for webcomic!
>>78340477
yeah that already looks better
but look at how the older eyes were: they were smaller and thus further apart. you wanna have a decent amount of space in between them. eyes aren't glasses, after all. I think the inner eye corners are working against you right now. take a moment to erase them (you don't have to save it or show us, just look at it) and see how that changes the look
>>78340511
Thanks.
>designing characters for my comic
>get to a bitchy manipulative evil queen character
>get the idea to name her after my ex who still follows my art stuff
S-should I do it?
No. Give her a minor quirk in common that only your ex will recognize as directed at her.
>>78335924
Get fucked you imbecile, there are people like that. And the ones that are like do deserve their rightful fucking credit.
God damn, what is it with you babies and this notion that you have to be either an artist or a writer and can't just be something like a creative consultant?
>>78340959
If you want to invite the drama-llamas, go right ahead.
Otherwise leave well alone.
>>78340959
by all means base the character on your ex, but name? no way. name a NICE character after your ex. that'll confuse the FUCK out of her. You want guilt here, right? not a feeling of being mocked.
>>78341045
>drama-llamas
Fuck you, I made that term for the sake of ripping on idiotic meme words, I don't need it getting used seriously
>>78341076
holy shit, you invented the term drama llama? c-can i shake your hand?
i invented radpole. it never took off as a meme.i also invented 'pony should (verb) pony' but that's an entirely different kind of success
>>78340842
>>78341436
sshhhit you're making a mess!!!
Wip
>>78341670
I gotta say it's nice to see one of these creepy supernatural abomination girl characters who's absolutely harmless.
The archetype tends to come off deeply unsympathetic to me, because their punchlines end up with someone being horribly murdered or something.
>>78342002
I wouldnt say Mimi is totally harmless, but she also doesnt see her "quirks" as anything abnormal. She does eat someone but she throws them up later and they are (mostly) fine. Besides that she never hurts anyone on purpose.
Easy introduction of my project called "Social monster". Social monster is about a boy that is anti-social, who is living in a poor part of town. The boy found himself a little monster that is eating a squirrel and The monster was preparing to attack him next.
But, He was stopped by food Poisoning from that dirty dead squirrel. Before he died and turn to ashes, he cursed the boy by giving him a very valuable weapon and a mark that only seem by him and the monsters. Get it? Now, He got social issues with his friends and brothers and a beautiful girl.
>>78342426
Sounds workable.
What's special about your story?
>>78335509
Pretty cool! Make moar plzx
>>78337240
I've said this before but damn, I like dat ink.
>>78341436
>>78341457
It's cool, we got this!
>>78342426
>anti-social
>with his friends
um
>>78337403
Huh? I've been gone for most of the day, did I miss something?
>>78342629
>What's special about your story?
Well, Nothing, I just keep on failing at this story all the time.
>>78342925
You ever see that movie called "Chronicle".
>>78343058
see
>>78336016
>>78343291
Well, I'll have to check my stats tomorrow and see how well that bit of accidental advertising did for me.
>>78343335
You should have scored a handful of page views. Maybe a fan or two. Who knows, maybe the next thread won't accidental.
>>78343189
>You ever see that movie called "Chronicle".
it looked slightly interesting but also irritating, so no
and they looked pretty social to me. sociopathic, but social as fuck.
>>78343374
Okay, you got this friend that only speaks to you.
>>78343374
Chronicle is a better movie than your comic will ever be. The main guy is only friends with his cousin and a black guy by the way. Not very social.
>>78342426
Where's that website/tumblr/gallery/anything bro?
>>78339606
Yeah, I know it took a while.
Kind of a shame for me because I really enjoyed designing all the minor merrow characters for them to end up appearing so few times, but that's how it is in most chapters; spend a long while designing characters who'll only appear for a couple of pages
>>78343642
still more social than me
>>78343816
that's how it works for tv at least. i bet youll make it profesh someday
>>78339944
>>78340477
>>78343695
Tumblr, Editing my tumblr account.
>>78343857
Aww man, thanks a lot.
I'll admit the idea of doing this as a profession rather than a hobby IS very appealing; then I probably allow myself to make my chapters longer and less compressed, posting several pages a week... BUT as it stands I'm just satisfied with how the comic's come out so far, plus now that I've finally got the ball rolling I can't exactly stop...
>>78344187
all i know is the professionals are people who are way more comfortable than I am with wasting- er, spending huge amounts of time on stuff that won't even be in the final product
8 times out of 10 if i do a sketch to work out a tough design for a new character, it is getting pasted into the comic verbatim. aaand 9 times out of 10 that will be the best shot of that character by far.. ugh.
Mimi finds a haunted doll and decided to eat what's living in it. The person saying hello new friend is the guy in her tummy from earlier.
>>78344816
I feel like this perhaps needs more of a setup. Maybe a cliched old shopkeeper vaguely hinting that the doll is evil or something?
>>78344865
It originally had a similar set up but it didn't fit. I feel like this needs more than one page but then it'll be too long.
>>78342860
>>78344960
I think you could combine the cliched old shopkeeper and the doll's evilness into the same panel(s), compress it that way.
>>78344599
It's like Cleese sez up in the OP - your first idea is rarely your best idea.
"kill your darlings" is common writing advice for a reason - nobody likes it but it's always a good idea.
>>78344187
I think the compressed style is working pretty well for you, honestly. One of the big pitfalls of webcomics is that there's no editor to tell you to cut all the extraneous stuff and get the damn plot moving already (says the guy who's already spent like two years on his first chapter).
Anyway, in this next exciting installment, our side character that nobody cares about heroically runs away like a scaredy cat. Nothing's quite finished yet, but I'm already pretty happy with how the mist in panel 2 is turning out.
Probably won't have time to do anything special for Christmas ( 2 days oh god I haven't even bought any presents yet aaaaaaaaaah), but I'll try to have something around jan 12th for the pagan Yule celebration.
>>78345070
Wouldn't the shop keeper have to be in the first panel though? I don't see how he would fit into the panel with the doll unless he was the one to show her. That could work too I guess and she would end up creeping out the creep. That would change the first panel to though. I guess she would enter and he'd say something like YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'D LIKE SOME DOLL and then he shoves one in her face.
>>78345152
It would be a case of "this girl looks innocent and naive, I can pawn this cursed evil doll off on her" but it's Mimi.
>>78345334
That can work. I'll retool the thumbs in a minute. Thank you! Now to see if I NC an fit it in 6 panels or less.
>>78345373
Can. Dammit this phone I swear.
Fucking behind on things. I damn my client to hell, I can tell already that bitch isn't paying. Needed that cash. Anyway, here's a bit of preview for the little holiday zine we're doing. I need to finish the damn first draft of the story; and the artist's comp had issues yesterday.
When it rains it snows. But lil'Erin and B are cute in how innocent they are. Last update got us some new followers; so I'm happy. Someone who liked it rando-added me on Skype to tell me; which also brightened my day.
How've you folks been?
>>78335456
Digging the lighting here. It isn't very bold a move, but it is really effective and I like how things have been looking from you lately. How you been man?
>>78336017
I like it. But like someone said last thread "decades" implies aged. Mostly because people don't tend to think in decades until they've had a lot. If she's in her 30s/40s, maybe saying "I've been fighting since I was a child" could get the same point across without sounding too aged.
Wish you were further in so I could give it some further thought. It has potential so far.
>>78336138
I think it'll be nicer when we get to Hook, who really is well-designed if this is the project I think it is. I'll admit I haven't really looked back into it since they had the first 6 or 10 pages up.
>>78337240
I really like your stuff. You manage to capture a good Western tone and save for some minor things in previous pages with word bubble spacing; you hit that tone real well.
>>78338605
>dat cat
Too cute, buddy. I love it.
>>78345140
>2 Days.
Jesus. Fuck. I'm behind too. Looking like fun things are happening to your comic too.
>>78345407
Thank you, friend.
>>78345334
Better?
Has anyone had any experience with or looked into creator owned publishers for webcomics such as Hiveworks?
Sounds like a good opportunity when they open submissions assuming you're accpted but I know there has to be some sort of downside to it.
>>78345710
Her eating the doll's soul or whatever makes for a much better punchline than what you had before.
>>78335341
"hows your webcomic?"
I just now deleted my TRUE SAGA webcoimic and its main website on blogspot which I then added everything i deleted to the main website of my FATES project since i merged the two projects together.
I will upload all the pages i just deleted off TRUE SAGA to my FATES webcomic!
final stats for TRUE SAGA: up for about a year, 5 subscribers, 4000+ pageviews, about 50 pages, 50+ comments
the main website only had 4000+ pageviews
top webcomics rating high score- rank 180, ending rank 2142
it will be missed as a stand alone story but will still be worked on through and as FATES, you'll see!
pic related is the newly remade banner for FATES
>>78335373
was you you this whole time? what did i ever do to you?
>>78335420
>im not worth a single second of your time
fucking ouch, my heart... im a person with feelings you know?
ive never done anything ever but defend my self, i never say shit about anybody or there comics to get the level of hate i get towards me for no reason, wtf?
>>78335487
>>78335531
what is yalls problem with me? i dont get it, ive never said anything to either of you
the only thing i can even remotely think of that might offend people that i do is draw girls with big boobs, but both of you guys also draw girls with big boobs, so that cant be it, so there is literally no reason for yall to be acting like this towards me
i dont fucking get it man, its really disheartening and disappointing desu
>>78345733
I was fighting between this punchline or the other one. This one wins haha. But yeah the doll is haunted so she's eating whatever is haunting it.
>>78345758
>>78335373
was it you this whole time? what did i ever do to you?*
>>78345407
>Looking like fun things are happening to your comic too.
Man, I sure hope so. I ended up having to get a bit experimental with the pacing to have this final bit work properly, so it might just end up an incomprehensible mess. I think it works in my head and my script, but there's still time to mess everything up on the page.
Did some penciled comics late last night.
Took me about an hour to get them resized and scanned and everything, man this process is tedious.
Anyways, here we go!
>>78346351
This one's a two parter
>>78346372
Last one.
Good enough if my christmas flash doesn't make it.
Hello, comic friends. I'm in the holiday mood. By that I mean I fucked up on my finals big time and now I'm slightly buzzed and ready to draw. If you're having issues designing clothes, want an alternate outfit, or like free shit in general, gimme your character and I'll fix them up a fashionable outfit. Sorry in advance if I end up getting too drunk to take a good photo.
>>78345407
ahhhh too cute
>>78345710
this does work better. i was going to suggest maybe just a background shopkeeper glancing over but this works too
>>78347049
Apparently he posted the whole thing to instagram, so I can place this here without issue. And thanks. First time the whole family is together.
>>78346032
I'm sure it'll work out in the end, man. Past few pages have been interesting to see drafted.
>>78346360
>bath time
ohshiiiiii
>>78346372
>did you say bath tim again
and thus was born the new character Bath Tim
>>78347916
AHHH EVEN CUTER
oh lawd wee beatrice looks so much like jam, and babby jam is all up in the camera aaahhh
.. right?
What if we all drew our OC's together attending a Christmas party?
>>78349132
that would take foreverrrr :D
>>78349132
That would be pretty cool but some of the comics in this thread have a TON of characters. Maybe just MCs?
>>78349054
Yup. That'd be the case.
Not a ton of little kid stuff happens.Like, even though they pretty much got abandoned by their parents it was when Erin was in college, Beatrice was in HS and Jam...never really factored into it from our logical standpoint.
If the parents left 8-9 years before the start, Jam would've been six, Beatrice would've been in her mid teens, and Erin would've been in the thick of college.
Blegh logic. Older drafts had Handsome Dan acting as more of a threat due to how fucked up their family life is and mandated reporter duties to Child Protective Services; but actually doing social work really helped bring out how that system even works.
So in terms of parental conditioning, Erin got a ton. Beatrice got some. Jam got very damn little.
It's sort of an underdeveloped plotline that will gain some meat down the road. Erin's mentioned the whole thing before on some level.
I'm rambling. Too much eggnog and stress.
>>78349254
that makes a ton of sense, dude
ima go have some nog myself.
>>78349308
TIME FOR MORE EGGNOGG
>>78349779
fuck yeah nog. is there any finer beverage?
shit that only comes around at certain times of the year pisses me off. not only do i miss it the rest of the year, but I overindulge during the time when it's around
>>78349132
>>78349229
I nominate Dewd to do this.
>>78349843
ok.
>>78349912
Which characters will you use, Dewd?
>>78349939
I have something in mind for Jam and Annabeth, I'm probably just gonna scroll through the thread and pick and choose.
My main six will probably in.
>>78349779
Posting superior version
>>78350003
I swear to god Dewd if you have more of your characters than characters from other comics...
>>78350013
that sounds more like a christmas party at westtree's house.
just like a little while ago when cap'n maggie and crew went to a bar that had cameos from a bunch of other comics. obviously there weren't 3 of each
>>78350266
But with Maggie, it wasnt a /co/ thing, she was just nice and included cameos.
So what Haircut should I give my joker ? I just can't decide, his haircut is a big factor of his looks in my opinion. also, that is indeed santa, merry christmas.
http://bug-quest.tumblr.com/post/135474291870/
im being a bit slow right now aint i
>>78350431
severe widow's peak, two big swept-back corners. basically like wolverine fucked a claw hammer
Hey guys...how do you used gif?
>>78350887
could you rephrase the question?
>>78350887
like this
>>78350887
do you has photoshop?
>tfw your webcomic is shit
![ff12-1b[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/inQ9WdH.jpg "ff12-1b[1].jpg")
>have a setting in mind
>dont know what kind of architecture to look into to because you dont know what the setting is called.
Anybody know what kind of setting would you call FF12? I'm afraid i didnt pay enough attention in art history to figure this out. (or atleast direct me towards a shitload of concept art for the game.)
Ok, I included as many as I could, here's this list.
-West Tree
-The sisters
-Jello and Pup
-That one Ms paint comic with the brown boy
-Frog Knight
-Will Draw for Food
-Mimi
-Captian Maggie.
You're welcome.
>>78337240
Looks really good, gonna keep an eye out on your site, mang.
....maybe I should hurry up with my anthro western.
>>78351138
You can always make the art better. If you cant into writing, people may stay for the art alone.
>>78351138
It takes effort to pursue working in webcomics, it is an uphill battle and there are often little to no allies on your side. It requires tedious and often thankless work, oftentimes taking up to 8 or more hours a day.
However it takes no effort whatsoever to poke fun and discourage webcomic artists on their way to success, this is the kind of person who does not understand the hard work it takes to pursue one's dreams. It is easier instead to try to bring them down to their level.
Pity him, for he is sad inside.
>>78351229
This looks great Dewd!
>>78351218
i dunno if there's a name, I guess I'd call it skypunk
it comes up a lot in miyazaki films and pretentious japanese videogames
>>78351229
WAhaha, that is like.. VERY appropriate. this is what crossovers were born for.
>>78351229
daaamn that was fast
>>78351229
>-That one Ms paint comic with the brown boy
NOT ANY MORE! I am the GIMP comic with the brown boy.
Goddamn it, I going to get me a tumblr.
>>78351229
>That one Ms paint comic with the brown boy
Excuse me they are called basketball americans.
>>78351218
FFXII is a mash up of several cultures, what I imagine you'd call Mediterranean, (Turkey, Istanbul/ Constantinople) looking at the architecture, I'd say Medieval Era. However, the game itself is full of Sanskrit influences, as well as an overall tone of Arabic descent (kind of, its very broad.)
>>78351229
Pic sums up my reaction. Thanks for including mimi!
>>78351538
that doll is freakin cute
>>78351538
I need to see this girl fight Chardonnay
>>78351679
I don't think Mimi is much of a fighter. I'm pretty sure she doesn't even realize she has "powers".
>>78351810
Alright, so they should play with dolls instead.
>>78352158
They could totally do that. Just make sure the dolls aren't haunted.
>>78352158
or nerf swords
Page one of Chardonnay's new children's book, The New Prince
>there are teenage girls out there good enough at drawing that people will commission them
>meanwhle you're in your 20s and suck
death cannot come fast enough.
>>78352640
>new prince
aw fuck does babby brother happen
>>78352678
Tumblr is good for two things: Porn and artist feels
>>78352678
easy dude
marry those girls
>>78352739
>>78352678
>Fuck a girl
>Get her pregnant
>Get your son/daughter into art
>Give them plenty of art books and shit
>????
>Profit.
>>78353035
yeah that's my plan.
okay sure everyone says dont live through your kids, but wtf else is there? besides it worked fine for mine, all they wanted was for me to not have to go through all that shit they did. and it worked! granted i also never met anyone but really they never met the right people either.
i'm sure SOMETHING will go horribly wrong in their lives, but it won't be not-arting-enough. not with me as a dad
Serious question:
Is 4chan a good audience?
I'd like to set up "pretending to be a fan" threads of my work on /co/, just so I can get the most honest opinions and the least sycophantic praising. Much akin to that of Justin Roiland of "Rick and Morty" fame.
However, I'm also considering turning myself into trollbait. Thinking about making a white female/black male relationship, not because I want to, but so I can have guaranteed views and traffic from all the insecure racists of /tv/ and /r9k/. I can deal with "teh author is a KEK kek" frogposters if it means free advertising from hundreds of lonely people.
Just look at Andrew Dobson. He's a terrible artist, but most of those who visit his website only come because they always see the threads on 4chan. It's definitely how I learned about him.
>>78353179
I gave my nephew a loomis.
And now, He is drawing like a pro.
>>78353199
>intentionally set up a shilling thread to get contrarians to bash you instead so you can learn something
anon I get where you're coming from, but just because something isnt asskissing doesnt automatically mean they put any more thought into it
>the rest of this post
nevermind. you literally can't fail if your only goal is attention. but just know that i personally hate you
especially in the likely event that this is a joke
>>78353199
that doesn't sound very artistically fulfilling
draw what you wanna make and don't pander too hard.
try to make something actually good.
>>78336017
I wanted to read the Me before the lacks experience.
>>78345758
1/2 - i threw this collage together as a quick transition from FATES chapter 1 to TRUE SAGA chapter 1 which is now FATES chapter 2, you'll see in a second...
>>78352678
I learned a while ago that there are artists that say they're younger than they are to gather more attention to their work. There was a dad that painted a bunch of shit using a fake hand and video taped it saying "Look at my son's fingerpainting, it's so good."
Another artist I know personally put up a charade that they were a 16 year old girl when they were in fact a 29 year old neckbeard because it suited his art style and made him feel better about his work.
Don't believe everything you see on the internet. Drawing takes years of practice, whether you're 17 and started at 10 or 27 and started at 20.
Webcomics IRL
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/667854
Finished this animation.
Special thanks for my sister for that wonderful improv.
>>78353394
true
though it's not as if it's going to be the same time for everyone either, in case you were trying to imply that.
>>78353199
My advice is no, anon.
4chan is eeeehhh.... a questionable audience, but a good one. Sometimes.
In my opinion, take 4chan's criticism with a grain of salt. Most of 4chan's userbase is 18-35 year old cynics. These guys critique even well received works and well known comics and cartoons. Your work is no different to them, only its an unpublished, single person work, making it a much easier target to criticize.
Do NOT "pretend to be a fan," especially on 4chan. Some users even have enough computer know-how to read which IPs your posts are coming from, so they will know when you're samefagging. And when they find that out, they will come down on you like the force of a thousand suns.
As for the intentional trollbaiting, this sounds like a really bad way of getting a lot of negative attention, and comes off as rather desperate. Bad publicity is still publicity, yes, but that is the tactics of a truly desperate person, and I know you haven't yet fallen so low.
What you DO need, is some confidence in your work. The only way to avoid criticism is to never do anything. And I guarantee you that will never feel fulfilled if you are too paralyzed with fear of being judged. Don't draw to pander to a certain audience, draw for you.
This is YOUR story, not theirs, they don't choose how it goes. And if it sucks, well it sucks, but at least you went out and did, unlike so many of your cynical critics.
Any person who truly possesses skill will know the hard road it took to get them there, and the ones that are worth their salt want to see others succeed.
Also anon, Dobson is not exactly the greatest role model.
>>78353429
Of course not. I also have friends that did a lot of the art for a popular indie game when they were 15 and 16, and both of them had been drawing since they were little. The one thing that's always the same is that they studied.
>>78353350
2/2-see how easy it was to tie into my TRUE SAGA project? now its all just FATES now, so easy i should of done this a long time ago!
having second thoughts/cold feet about combining DEMON JUICE and HAIR SOLE toghether, they already mention and reference each other in comic AND HAIR AND SOLE is literally a spin off of demon juice and takes place right after everything that happens in chapter 2 of demon juice... but....
there fucken there both super popular mega property already and work amazing as stand alone stories, getting me hundreds of thousands of pageviews, non of which is monetized cuz i dont know how ads work, and tons upon tons of fan art and reviews and shit
I really should combine them though because its for the better, it will improve the quality and current length, and combine the fanbase of each one, so i really should.... but i dont know, its a real fucken coin toss yall
meanwhile no one gave a shit about TRUE SAGA and FATES except for me, but im the artist/creator so i dont fucken count ya know?
>>78353283
>>78353294
>>78353452
Okay, good points. Especially the last one.
Thanks, guys.
>>78353427
Both of my sides are someplace else now
i swear you came to us in a time machine from 2002 and that is fantastic and greatsomehow the knocking over the cheezits part did it for me the hardest
>>78353594The funniest part is that's what happened in real life during recording.
Anyone remember how was Pictures for Sad Children done?
I'm loooking for a simple style for my own. More interested in the linework, as dumb as that sounds.
>>78353199
Nobody is going to give a shit. You can't force controversy and popularity.
>>78353733
that explains why it sounded so spontaneous and real
i guess keeping the recording is the equivalent of not doing over a drawing because it has a mistake. sometimes tactics like that are fantastic instead of just lazy.. especially in comedy. good show!
>>78353820
what do you mean how it was done?
>>78353199
I don't think it is. Granted, you can find people here that legitimately likes your work, sure, but I don't think you should focus on getting you audience here.
The things you considered are bad ideas and as I read, people told you why. It's useless.
This is me, but only reason to share my work in here is because I know no one gives a damn about me, and that's the kind of people who usually gives you a better unbiased feedback.
You also may get shit from time to time, but if you focus on making a terribly PR stunt like you're saying, shit will be the rule rather than the exception.
It's better to find an audience where you know people would take interest in it.
Smackjeeves is a good place for Yaoi/bl; Pokemon fanfics and Sprite comics.
You can be successful there doing something else, but eh, you'll have more chances of finding that kinda audience. Which my explain why my own work took a big momentum of readership when I started it.
Long story short; bad publicity stunts can only take you so far and Dobson is a starving fatso who should be held as the pinnacle of failure.
You're better off selling ice on the North Pole.
>>78353820
Simple styles reflect simpler themes, a sort of light-hearted nature and playfulness. They work great for children's books, and "cutesy" work.
In the case of "Pictures for Sad Children," the artist used the style ironically to deliver punishing doses of reality, set to the tone of idyllic childish imagery, to make the blow all the more brutal.
So I guess if your looking for a nice simplistic style, be practical in applying your shapes, they should be streamlined (not scratchy) and simple. Check out some Minimalism art. Don't use much detail, just be sure the key ingredients are there. Face shape, eyes, mouth, nose (which could be optional depending on how simplistic you want to get)
Good luck, anon.
>>78353933
in this case i dont think the simplicity is in any way childish or playful, it's more like ... stark. blank, as if meaningless. especially in the early arc where the guy is just a ghost and he looks like a pac-man ghost.. and all the other people are basically just pegs. aside from having arms and legs they were basically the same thing, so it's like his life didn't change at all.
>>78353933
>>78353893
Eh.
I meant, technically, how was it done? Was it just a tablet with the pen permanently stuck on a single size or scanned or what?
I start doodling because I was bored.
>>78353991
You know, I feel like that's a better way of looking at it. Good call.
>>78354005
Personally, I've never tried going for a super simplistic style before. I'm guessing you're talking digitally, but my advice remains the same.
-Check out minimalism
-Simple shapes
-No details
It's not so much HOW you draw it, but rather HOW MUCH you draw.
>>78354005
oh that's what you meant about being more interested in the linework
it looks to me like either a normal pen on paper or digitally using a fixed-width line, yes. possibly both depending on when he did it.
and yeah that's a good way to go for simplicity. no need for varying line widths in something like this.
>>78354258
>>78354288
Lack of tablet is killing me. I would've started long ago if not for that.
It's not really just an excuse. I need to find a way to keep lines looking somewhat dynamic and simple.
Only way I thought around it was scanning my drawings and then vectorize them. I'll give it a try once I get my scanner out of storage.
>>78350600
ayyy i'll try that and see maybe post the result, doesn't sound very clasy at least
>>78354340
yeah there's nothing wrong with scanned drawings, you can do all KINDS of stuff to them. multiply the layer til it looks clean, use 'threshhold' to make it binary, do some cleanemups.. it's all good
So i'm pretty fucking new to this background drawing thing, since all i ever draw are characters. Does this look okay,even? Is it appealing enough that you'd keep reading? I plan on going back over this in illustrator to fix things such as perspective and shading, and to add something to fill up that blank space, because i cant for the life of me figure out what to put in those spaces
what do you guys think of this?
>>78354744
You ever tried using references on MS paint?
>>78354744
the thing is, while the defense is laudable, there's no denying that using a reference INSTEAD of learning how to draw from your imagination is.. limiting and limited.
i do it, i admit i do it, i have no shame in it but i have no pride either.
>>78354761
You ever tried not using MS paint?
>>78354744
There's a lot to be gained from learning to draw and design without relying on references, and saying otherwise is lying. Study from reference, draw from your mind. I personally think that's much better than the alternative of being unable to draw something if I don't have a perfect reference for it.
>You ever tried not using MS paint?
>>78354819
but alot of those artists listed, used references for one of their most well known and popular pieces. And no one calls them out as "fake rip off" artists
So is referencing ethical in using it for professional work? Because you can bet your ass that Norman Rockwell did this.
I see a lot of artists getting hate when they post personal art based on a reference. But it's their art that they aren't using for any monetary gain. Just some doodle or piece to post on their art tumblrs. Is that really that bad of a thing to do?
I don't think so.
>>78354840
>He stared at the screen for four hours and still went back to ms-paint.
>>78354819
>>78354899
let's put it this way, you can't do someone's portrait without using a reference.. but you'll have a difficult time trademarking anything you DID use one on
>>78354744
What's to think?
Of course people should use references. It's retarded not to.
>>78354899
If you're talking about whether it's bad or not to draw/paint something with reference, of course it's not.
That said, there are a lot more idiots that will call you out for "cheating" than there were when there wasn't internet. I agree that most if not all the masters painted from life and reference, but a lot of their more famous paintings gained popularity first because of technical ability among other artists or people that respect art and then among less studied people. Art wasn't always a wide-spread, widely appreciated field. It had an elitism to it that didn't go away until within the last century or so.
So I was sleeping in bed, and I suddenly had this really REALLY bad pun. And I couldn't NOT do this.
{spoiler] I'm so sorry, /co/, I really am.[/spoiler]
>>78354950
i don't disagree with that.
But if an artist used a stock photo that's royalty free for reference, is that a bad thing?
If they made strides to do both original poses and referenced poses, should they be hated because they used references?
That's the issue here. A lot of those artists in the pic used references, but I'd like to believe they would be talented enough that they could ALSO draw from memory.
>>78354967
not to mention unless youre one of those really brilliant people with a hidden talent that comes off as skill, you can't just look at a photo and suddenly paint it with photorealistic shading. it's too complicated for our eyes to follow easily. they literally physically can't discern subtle gradients
>>78354992
best not fix it, then
>>78354996
i've done pictures where i referenced one and freehanded the other.. it wasn't pretty how badly they clashed. but my experiences don't mean it isn't possible to succeed at that
>>78355003
mm, that's not really true. Artists do have an ability to pick out colors that other people can't discern a difference between. There are a couple tests online to show this.
http://www.xrite.com/online-color-test-challenge
>>78354744
I, for one, am the kind of guy who would DIE if I couldn't use reference.
One day, I'll be good enough. One day....
>>78355059
that's different though, you have the benefit of the little squares. (I remember that, I scored pretty high)
I'm talking about when you look at a person's face, you don't discern 100 little shades of beige (or brown if youre a damn dirty pigmented person or some other color if you're something else or whatever) in the gradient, you just see it flat and your brain works out the shapes if you're good at paying attention to that.. but only a rare talent can actually copy that shit. some people do it tiny shape by tiny shape, eyedropping each one, to make those perfect photorealistic 'vectors'.. others just get good enough at shading to recreate the real look by simply combining knowledge-of-shape to knowledge-of-lighting and simulating what real life was already doing, getting the predicted result..
>>78354761
Yes, Son.
Quit using "I use MS paint" as an excuse to suck.
>>78355059
Like here, I got a 4. They used to show the average for your age group, but stopped after people started hacking in false results.
>>78355165
I still don't think that's true. It just takes effort to determine what color you're looking at. You're fighting against a natural process. For example, I'm sitting in a dimly lit room right now with a single lamp a distance away. The "white" wall next to me is a shade of brown orange, and the "light" wood that's covered in shadow would be a desaturated green, possibly a more desaturated brown.
You'd still want to pick colors that work for the canvas over what's "real". An artist should take liberties with the colors around them to make them more appealing. That's an advantage that artists have over a camera.
>>78355165
forgot to finish that thought. it's late you know
but almost nobody can use a reference for a gradient directly. like, directly in the copy-a-shape sense. in the A-to-B-to-C way you do it with a reference. Our eyes simply don't discern color that distinctly when it's right next to other color. Nobody has 'perfect pitch' as it were, for color, we all transpose. If we didn't, those optical illusions wouldn't work. Like the ones where there's the same color gray against black and against white and it looks totally different
>>78355219
yeah I mean there are things you can do, but there are physical limits. We aren't mantis shrimp. it'll never be as direct as copying the shape of a line.
Maybe if instead of an alphabet we used shades of color, we'd be able to, as our brains would adapt.. but I reckon it's a hardware limitation, in the same way that a dog can smell something and pick up 170 different compounds distinctly, whereas we can only detect a melange. our nasal nerves don't have the bandwidth or the sensor sensitivity, and our brain can't remotely cache that shit properly.
>>78355208
Wow, You made this?
>>78355240
Forever ago, when I used to do that kind of thing.
>>78355251
Oh, Post more of your stuff.
>>78354744
I don't get it.
Is he trying to say that precise photorrealism is superior to actual creativity?
All the examples are obviously different from the model for effect, not just because the artist fucked up and had to backpedal.
>>78355640
No, he's talking about how some artists think using references is "cheating", and explaining that it isn't.
>>78355672
Maybe he should get out of deviantart.
>>78355686
It's not just deviantart, sadly.
>>78347916
>>78345407
>How you been man?
Busy mainly, but that's usually the case for me? Soonish I'll have to start doing the character design for the next chapter (Selkies, mainly)
Otherwise I'm pretty hyped for Christmas; will try to get an illustration done on Christmas Eve... also, HOLY CRAP THAT IS BLOODY ADORABLE
>>78339628
Really? I personally don't think there's that much value in "re-skinning" an existing story. I preffer that she's taking more inspiration from Scandinavian folklore while the Peter-pan aspect is rather secondary.
>>78344599
Yeah, that's the thing. When it your full time job you can afford to spend tons of time trying different designs until you find THE one (although in the case of big motion pictures, I tend to preffer the concepts since the final designs are always standardised and made "safer" to appeal to the mass audience). These threads help get a bunch of people's opinion on designs fairly quickly though, that's something I love about them.
>>78345140
>One of the big pitfalls of webcomics is that there's no editor to tell you to cut all the extraneous stuff and get the damn plot moving already
Yeah, I've heard that a lot, particulalry in Paranatural and Homestuck threads. As it stands I preffer compressing since it assures that each page significantly advances the chapter
It looks like your story is heading for an interesting twist BTW; I think you worry about it too much.
>>78351229
Looks like Christmas came early!
>>78351218
Like someone else said, it's very much a mashing of several different cultures
Somewhat Middle Eastern or Mediterrenean in architechture, with armor that is more reminicent of Late Middle Ages or Early Renaissance... with obviously all clothes being much more revealing and flying ships
Still making progress. Now it looks like the ads are fetching more money. I got a few days to get stuff done. It's amazing how antisocial I've become.
Page 43 preview.
I have plans for this little Diglett looking bot.
Also, it might not seem like it. But, chapter 1 is nearing its end. I can't wait to start drawing some action again.
>>78351229
>Dewd snubbed my comic
I'll never make it.
>>78355672
I've never seen anyone ever complain about artists _using_ reference. People only complain when artists are blatantly copying references. Most artists who whine about others saying they are cheaters don't seem to know that there's a difference. Obviously if you are an illustrator, like many of those artists in that compilation and you take your own photos of models, you can copy them all you want, but there are so many artists nowadays who just take copyrighted photos or images of other artists and just shamelessly copy it and then call it their own work.
>>78357691
A lot of famous art pieces were done with photos that were popular at the time, or were in papers. Copyright just wasn't as big an issue at the time.
People's morals are changing so what's "right" and "wrong" is getting twisted. If you use reference and people can tell what the reference source was, you'll get bitched at for it. If you use reference to study, post your study, and say "this was a study," non-artists will still give you shit for it. I know I've gotten a lot of pants-on-head retarded comments from people on stuff where I blatantly say "This was drawn as a study of the photo linked here." People are just fucking stupid sometimes, there's no way around that.
>>78357755
> If you use reference to study, post your study, and say "this was a study," non-artists will still give you shit for it.
Well, that has never happened to me nor have I ever seen it happen to anyone else, so I guess you're just unlucky. If anything, I've noticed the opposite. What tends to impress non-artists the most are photorealistic photocopies of popculture stuff, celebrities etc.
>>78358696
Look more. It happens to popular artists all the time, especially in the articles and posts you're talking about. Just take a lovely stroll through the comments and you'll find some idiot that goes "They just copied this photo" and someone else going "Wow, they're just copying someone else's work. I bet they didn't even give credit to the photographer" etc. etc.
People suck. It's not just me it's happened to. Ilya Kushinov had it happen, early Sakimi-chan had it happen, there was an article about an artist that did "photo-realistic" pictures of celebrities that exploded so badly the artist had to come out and apologize that the online article that featured their work didn't give the photographs credit. It's just arbitrary bullshit, and it sucks.
>>78359052
>Just take a lovely stroll through the comments and you'll find some idiot that goes "They just copied this photo"
Yeah and for every one of those posts, there are a few hundred posts going "WOW, this is SO realistic! You are the bestest ever!" So what the fuck are you whining about? That every so often you stumble upon a person with a semblance of taste that doesn't join in on the circle jerk around hack artists posting photocopies of Walter White on facebook?
Ilya Kushinov DID blatantly copy photos, anime screenshots and work of other artists and claimed it as his own personal work. Only after he got called out on it did he start calling his copies "studies". People who do that stuff deserve to be called out on it and that will never change, deal with it. You might as well ask /co/ to stop ridiculing Greg Land.
>>78341024
>and can't just be something like a creative consultant?
Creative consultant and ideas man are some of the most bullshit wannabe titles. Produce some actual work or GTFO.
These were supposed to be daily, oops.
A very tall beauty from the northern lands, Kaisa is not only popular among her peers and a good student, but also a quite skilled, versatile fighter, second in her school only to Keira. If anything, you could say she's almost too perfect.
A few notes - 6' 0'' is supposed to be very tall for a girl in the setting, so don't use your Scandinavian/Californian standards to compare how she appears among her peers. Another note needs to be made on the abysmally bad profile shot. I would gladly erase it, but it needs to be there for the sake of completion and the whole picture already took over 4 hours to finish. Hopefully I will eventually figure out how to draw this shit better. The last note is yep, both poses are from references/s/ is quite useful for this. Especially the left one would never end up this decent otherwise.
Hey everyone, some of you perhaps remember I wrote here about how I got a graphic tablet for early Christmas. I was just wondering if there are any good tutorials for tablet drawing (especially comics) out there. The anons who answered last time were pretty right about getting used to it, I'm a bit lost at the moment.
>>78353199
>Just look at Andrew Dobson
He makes, what, 50 bucks a month on Patreon despite his fame? If your goal is to actually make money from your comic then hate readers is not what you should aim for, aim for making a good comic that people will want to dish out money for. And the base of his "fame" is actually Deviantart, 4chan and SA are just places where people like making the shitpost threads.
>>78339944
>>78340477
Go go, don't make this lady wait for her comic any longer.
>>78353035
>force your failed dreams onto your children
Just don't be surprised if they happen to hate you after growing up.
>>78354798
>there's no denying that using a reference INSTEAD of learning how to draw from your imagination is.. limiting and limited
You can't learn to draw from your imagination unless you already have an accurate view of things in your head. You can "imagine" the most epic steampunk pirate ship all you want but if you try to draw one without knowing the ins and outs of what a ship looks like it's going to look childish and naive. That's when you dig out reference pictures for ships, cannons, pirate apparel, all the junk. Use you imagination to modify and apply what you learn from the reference pictures, don't try to "learn" drawing from your imagination.
>>78353199
Any audience can be a good audience, but I'd never appeal directly to 4chan. While setting up a pretending to be a fan thread could get you more honest opinions (and let's be honest, they will likely also be very brief opinions), you probably won't find too much sycophantic praising in this thread. There might be some hugboxing, but things aren't that dire.
If you're going out of your way to stir up "controversy" and trollbait as a way to get popular, I'd argue you lack some degree of integrity. Your work ought to be able to stand on its own and have its own value. Appealing to the lowest common denominator isn't a great way to have your work judged, and even so it isn't like the remix culture of these boards won't see your stuff fucked up so much that people won't even believe you made it. Assuming it catches on at all.
Dobson is a terrible artist, most of the people who look at his stuff do so because they dislike him. They want to watch him struggle and suffer.
Trying to enter that role, willingly; is sort of like being the kid who eats bugs because people will watch. Sure you might be "popular", but you aren't popular.
There's enough shit out there, anon. This platform is oversaturated in it. You should strive to put out something of worth and hope for the best.
>>78359870
I learned the hard way myself, but IIRC there's a bunch of tutorials on Youtube. Try searching for the specific brand and make of your tablet - I know wacom at least have some starters' tutorials up.
Failing that, try to see if you can find some step-by-step tutorials on established artists' processes.
>>78359808
182 is pretty tall even for Scandinavian women. (heck, it's above average even for Scandinavian men)
>>78354996
>But if an artist used a stock photo that's royalty free for reference, is that a bad thing?
You know there's a huge difference between referencing and just straight up copying, right? If you're just copying your "reference" picture's you're not even an artist, any monkey can do that.
If you're worried about accidentally copying just get reperence pictures that have dirrerent point of views than what you want to draw. Wanna draw a 3/4 view of a fighter yet? Get one ref pic from above, one from the side and one from the front. If you're a halfway decent artist with any perspective skills you now have all the information to draw that 3/4 view jet with zero copying involved but everything will actually be accurate.
>>78360114
>You know there's a huge difference between referencing and just straight up copying, right?
This is /co, what do you think?
>>78360114
>Get one ref pic from above, one from the side and one from the front. If you're a halfway decent artist with any perspective skills you now have all the information to draw that 3/4 view
Look buddy, if I wanted to do engineering drawing, I'd do that and not comics.
>>78360309
what they're describing is the same as drawing from a model/turnaround sheet, which you should be able to do if you want to make cartoons or comics. there's no easy way to make something, unless it's shit.
>>78360735
I know what he meant, I was half-joking. Still it's hard to come by all three views of the same pose/scene unless you have a 3D model.
>>78355672
If somebody thinks that artists shouldn't use references, I'd question their status as an artist.
>>78355744
I guess I was just looking forward to seeing jane's brothers get turned into decent characters for once. but hell they werent necessary
>>78335341
I just had an idea for the story of a daughter of some rich family who wakes up one day to discover that her maids aren't there to brush her teeth, comb her hair etc.
She goes on to discover that, for some reason that is never given, every human on Earth has disappeared and she has to learn to fend for herself.
She manages to survive for a few years, coping with several brushes with death (thinking of an hero-ing, rabid animals, collapsing buildings) until one day she crashes the car she commandeered and breaks both her legs. Unable to get to the boot of the car to get food, she starves to death.
>>78357691
I feel like if I'm paying 4.50 for a comic book that's half ads, I don't want it to be all copied references
though i don't want my comics in this modern ugly photorealistic style either
and i don't read comics because their writing is terrible anyway and they're expensive
>>78359808
It's one of your best profile shots yet, even if it still has flaws. see how her nose and mouth area sticks out further than the rest? that has been your problem
>>78361237
What's the point of the story?
>>78361316
No idea, I haven't got that far yet.
>>78361166
well not all artists obviously. it's not like you need a reference for ziggy
>>78361259
in case it wasnt clear,
a LACK of that has been your problem. this is an improvement. you should keep doing that. extending the lower face out in profile so it's not so flat is important
