Good evening owls of /co/,
LAST ISSUES
The Squad ride is almost over.Sad
Hey storytimer!
Ewing kills it again today, and I swear to god he probably has a cabinet just full of old No-Prize letters.
I think about how incredible he'd be if he was an editor. An editor with actual pull. Can you imagine a guy like him in Brevoort's position? Or Alonso's?
Rucka's Wondy continues to be wildly decompressed, and I'm not feeling the page styles and paneling. It's really feeling like a digital comic, some Injustice thing. Definitely not Rucka's usual delivery, which straddles a kind of middle ground between decompression and old Perez style density.
I have opinions on where Nick Spencer is going with Captain America, but less as a story, and more my growing wariness around Spencer at large. Got that hair on my back kind of feeling that he's not too far from a Waid style "I know black people better than black people" deal.
>>83993215
I would read all the Ostrander Squad he felt like writing
thank you DC Khomics
manta is a dick
Aquaman was nice especially with the new husbando
Wondy was slow but nice
Aquaman was pretty fun and I am amused at how fast /co/ took to Sark
>>83993234
Civil War is now Bendis stumbling around Marvel like Mr Magoo and Ewing is running around after him fixing everything before stuff breaks or Bendis hurts someone
Rocafort's art don't hurt
>>83993234
>I think about how incredible he'd be if he was an editor. An editor with actual pull. Can you imagine a guy like him in Brevoort's position? Or Alonso's?
Yeah, the dream is definitely Ewing in Brevoort or Bendis' shoes. Proof we're living in a broken world.
>>83993234
I didn't read anything today because I was busy with Good Stuff, but I did see someone say "WHY CAN'T EWING BE WRITING ALL OF THIS HE MAKES PEOPLE MAKE SENSE" about Carol
>>83993234
>Got that hair on my back kind of feeling that he's not too far from a Waid style "I know black people better than black people" deal.
Oh, EWW. I know the most woke black dude I follow on comics was not happy with his Sam writing pre-HYDRA stunt.
>>83993142
Hello Storyteller.
>THE BEAST WITHIN
https://youtu.be/OLHd4BQIiGw
Papercut would probably work too, though.
>>83993255
>>83993272
I hope husbando is not dead ;_;
Flash was good, set about establishing Barry so he's not a Silver Age blank slate. worried the plot is gonna be very standard
>>83993290
He did a flashback showing Carol recruit the team which had Carol talk about what happens when they aren't ready for the Apocalyptic threat and it's such a quick, simple way to make Civil War 2 make some sense. Impressive stuff
How about that new Cerebus?
>>83993302
Good old early 2000s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV_D1Y_YHlABroly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVPSHhEJ8vA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVPSHhEJ8vA
>>83993234
>Rucka's Wondy continues to be wildly decompressed, and I'm not feeling the page styles and paneling. It's really feeling like a digital comic, some Injustice thing.
Decompression was a mistake.
>Definitely not Rucka's usual delivery, which straddles a kind of middle ground between decompression and old Perez style density.
Honestly, I wonder if this is some kind of editorial directive. Rucka's usually better at drawing things out.
>>83993346
I'll read it
I still haven't read Cerebus though, I need to get on that
>>83993346
Perversely interested in how much alt-right shit we see about it.
>>83993273
that's a wonderful, wonderful image
it also needs, of course:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg
>>83993346
mind blowing. now i gotta read fast
>>83993316
h-he'll be fine
>>83993273
>>83993234
The sad thing is the explanation is simply that Ewing gives a shit about characters and Bendis doesn't.
>>83993290
Like, I'm of two minds of it. On the one hand, Sam's position as Cap would absolutely be political, especially in this current climate, and race'd absolutely be a factor. It should matter in the book, it should be explored and all that. But... the funeral especially feels like he's starting to reach beyond "this should be in the book" and into way beyond where someone like him should be writing. It feels too much like a centrist white columnist talking about how he knows all about racism. Especially since Spencer has shown he can't take crit from those on the left side of the position. Like remember when Bendis wouldn't accept any criticism from queer writers and fans about how he handled Iceman? Getting a bit of that.
Plus, his takedown of positions from the right aren't wrong, but just... hamhanded as hell. Very, very overwrought, over the top.
Also, he somehow fucking forgot about Rhodey's own family at his funeral? What the fuck. Ewing remembered that.
I will give him that Rage coming back as fighting paid off cops is a great move, but within the larger context of his run so far, it's got that "You are seriously going to reach too far soon" feeling to it.
>>83993316
He'll be okay, why would you introduce somebody so likeable just to off him? ;_; it just don't add up!
>>83993359
>Broly
I don't understand why people LOOOVED Broly so damn much. Honestly, that movie wasn't very good and Broly himself was barely a character.
But I guess we were all dumb teens at some point.
>>83993414
I actually really like the Rage/Night Thrasher dynamic from the New Warriors we read. I think you could run far with that in a lot of books (potentially plays into the new Nighthawk too).
>>83993431
No idea why atleast the pantera song fits perfect. RIP vic voice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXBrmlcADJA
>>83993414
Expanding on this, I think Ewing hit a good balance in his Mighty Avengers, like the moments with Adam and Luke, dealing with their race and their history in a way that felt right, but not going into that bad land of "I, the white writer, am the most qualified to write about race struggles".
>>83993481
Night Thrasher being back is great, Rage is great, I'd love for them both to be on a new New Warriors.
Of course, Marvel would have to promote it.
>>83993215
Is it even really suicide if the act takes 5 and a half years?
There's a joke in Cap about the new Inhuman being named Homer btw
>>83993431
he's a virgin who doesn't wear a shirt, you nignog
>>83993346
yeah, I'm down with pulling that
I need to read more Cerebus. After what I had to read in grad school, Sim's misogyny is just garden-variety/derivative shlock
>>83993414
I have a particular hateboner for cack-handed politics *even when I agree with them*
Lookin' at you, Tom Taylor
>>83993549
Suicide can feel like a lifetime.
>>83993564
BEST CAPE
>>83993536
The bit about Monica and black hair was pretty sly. And meta. Thank Dog that Rocafort loves to work with different hair textures and she's on-model in Ulty.
>>83993598
>>83993564
He was the responsible for the RICH PEOPLE GET IN THE ARK GO GO GO, right?
Also, Sim's misogyny STARTS garden variety, and then becomes truly fucking unbelievably out of this world. Like, his ideas about why women are the way they are gets up into "reptilians control the earth" level of complex batshit.
>>83993598
>using Boomerbutt as bait
Again, Amanda keeps giving him the shit jobs, and he totally deserves it.
>>83993241
Costa Verde, Santa Prisca, no real difference either way.
>>83993622
I know Rocafort gets shit on for cheesecake, but I do like him as an artist. He's done some great spreads in Ultimates.
>>83993632
Yep, and a straight-up "THE ONE PERCENT COMES RAINING DOWN" narration box
Even Sim's outre stuff is pretty Otto Weininger, except for the reptilians
>>83993674
f-for...
>>83993241
>DC Khomics
Is that what we call Khouri's stuff now?
>>83993691
unf unf unf
THE WALL
Like it's not that I really dislike that spread in Cap but maybe it just doesn't feel natural to me? i can take the buy of them knowing each other but it doesn't resonate (is it cause i'm a dumb white dude)
>>83993704
he started it himself, but yeah
>>83993272
Same here, I'm debating whether to screencap the relevant (safe-for-work) posts and send them to Abnett on twitter.
>>83993632
>He was the responsible for the RICH PEOPLE GET IN THE ARK GO GO GO, right?
yes
you should see the BITING SOCIAL COMMENTARY he made in Edge of Oblivion!
>>83993564
>>83993379
Missing a page in between here
>>83993722
No, it doesn't resonate, mostly because of the characters picked. Fury Jr especially feels like a weird pick - he doesn't feel like he'd get along with a lot of these dudes. Black people absolutely have spaces where they just talk among themselves, but spread across these many characters... it doesn't gel.
Again - Fury Jr. He barely knows a lot of these guys and would probably act to kill a bunch of them if SHIELD gave the say-so. What the fuck is he doing there?
What he does get right is that Sam and Rhodey didn't know each other a ton.
>>83993753
you should do it! I want new husbando Sark to live
>>83993564
>I have a particular hateboner for cack-handed politics *even when I agree with them*
That's me with Willingham. There's a time and a place for soapboxing and usually that time and place is not in my funny books.
>>83993778
fuck, sorry
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>>83993681
There's zero-effort cheesecake, and Rocafort is decidedly not zero-effort. You give him the freedom to do whatever with a female character's outfit and he comes up with some cool stuff, Mac and those Wakanda ladies are pure clothing porn.
>>83993789
I'll get on it then.
>>83993722
To be fair, most of them DO know each other, or at the very least Cage knows all of them.
Speaking of, did Cage bother talking to Misty about Danny, or is Spencer trying to make people forget where she came from?
>>83993799
now we're back, with page 11
>>83993785
Yeah Fury Jr has been a mistake from Go. Shoulda used Secret Wars to fix that
>>83993564
>>83993632
>>83993691
I keep hearing people go on about how great Cerebus is, and it just worries me. But then, this is 4chan.
But honestly, I can't even stand the thought of reading the damn thing because I don't want to read some whiny dude bitch about how girls stick waah waah waah. It's like, if I made a comic where I ranted for ages about why humans suck, you wouldn't want to read that because it's fucking annoying.
>>83993838
>>83993803
Agreed
>>83993864
to be fair that stuff doesn't show until issue 250 so you have a good amount to read and then just make a cut off point
>>83993864
I have the first phonebook, and the thing is, right from the start, which is a pretty bog-standard S&S story, there's a marvelous energy and style and quality to every aspect of it. I've read a whole lot of less compelling #1s.
>>83993864
Cerebus is 300 issues long dude, it's not solely Sim ranting about one topic
I mean yeah there's that one chunk where that does happen but that's not the majority of it
>>83993864
Cerebus starts mediocre, then it gets really good. Really, really good.
Then it not only gets bad, it gets CRAZY.
Take this interview with him and amplify it by 100, if you can imagine that.
http://www.avclub.com/article/dave-sim-13861
>>83993405
Reading PMIF Anon's Kunf Fu Storytime Extravaganza is making me dislike Bendis's saga of Black-Man (formerly Luke Cage) even more than I did before, which was already pretty thoroughly.
>>83993912
FUCK YEAH WALLER
#PoisonIvyLeague
>>83993832
Too bad, the OTP is eternal.
>>83993864
Maybe the answer is just it's a goddamn good comic until then cranky. I am so sick of you bitching about shit you haven't even read.
>>83993864
You know, the actual infamous rant was a text insert and not the actual comic, which was more even-handed.
>>83993938
can you say something about why?
god, this is so good
>>83993912
>>83993912
that early Conan rip off stuff is a slog for me but it's not bad
>>83993938
Luke needs his chain belt back.
>>83993912
It's basically that until it suddenly isn't. I was following the storytimes, and at least you get past the climax of the story before it goes all blah. It's like he hit a good point to stop and couldn't help not taking it.
>>83993989
It's totally derivative but it's really well done totally derivative so it's not surprisingly when it blossoms out into genuine invention. also, it's a subgenre I really enjoy.
Yo, there's a new fuggin Cerebus comic coming out!!!!!
>>83993985
Waller is the hero we need and deserve
>>83994035
Yeah i've heard complaints you can tell he's probably fucked up chaining himself to that 300 issue goal
>>83994041
i'm not a big s&s fan so i was going in with a handicap
>>83993941
Based Amanda.
Okay, you really need to show the Ivy League this page.
>>83994041
so did you guys see the IO9 Bendis interview wherein he's all "No, it's fine that we killed the black guy, isn't that what equality is about?"
Brief detour into TV land: Everything about that Poison Ivy casting for Gotham is coming off creepy as hell.
>>83994110
Bendis is a fucking hack who's risen too high, just like Joe Quesadilla
>>83994116
they shoulda done a smallville and just had her have an older sister
>>83994108
why don't you? or are you a fake keyboard warrior
>>83994110
what else; I've seen some grousing about Tec, but I think it has to do with what Batfamily Relationships you're invested in, and Tynion definitely has his (since I Don't Care, it's interesting to watch)
>>83994116
good deliberate creepy or inadvertent creepy?
>>83994110
I feel like some ice cold water is finally splashing on the faces of the Bendis brigade. This is who he's always been, how has it taken this long to get a mainstream face and reaction on that?
>>83994116
Good creepy or bad?
>>83993966
And I'm tired of you getting mad at me having opinions and free will.
Oh no, someone doesn't want to read some shit written by a sexist douchebag. What a tragedy! That Cranky, he's such a big ol meanie! :(
Cry the fuck more.
>>83994110
>I HAVE BLACK KIDS, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING RACIST
>>83994199
>>83994188
Not that anon, but they replaced a young girl with a sexy woman and are doing some age-up bullshit in the story.
>>83994188
Oh shit, we Hotline Miami
https://youtu.be/xAM6mG6BWjw
>>83994202
Why do you always make everything about you?
>>83994188
>what else; I've seen some grousing about Tec, but I think it has to do with what Batfamily Relationships you're invested in, and Tynion definitely has his (since I Don't Care, it's interesting to watch)
I've seen people mostly happy about today's issue, apparently they are happy that Bruce and Tim actually had a conversation and I've seen some people happy that Tim/Steph is a thing againwhich is silly because Tim is clearly either gay or asexual
>>83994110
Oh yeah. I also saw him respond to the interviewer's tweets and saying that there were some typos and things like that that "totally" change the meaning of his responses, which smacks of when he and Slott would say similar things about leaked issues and moments that turned out to be... exactly what they looked like.
I really wanted the interviewer to go, "So, hypothetical: Would you kill Miles as a tragic moment for, I don't know, Peter Parker and Kaine?" Or just push him, at all. But I feel like 1. He wants to give Bendis some benefit of the doubt and 2. Knows that if you start pressing a writer about this stuff, they get very, very defensive.
I notice a lot of writers when you go "Hey, this thing you wrote is kinda racist/homophobic/whatever" and they immediately go "I didn't mean that at all how dare you I'm no bigot I didn't join any hate groups" blah blah blah, kind of ignoring that even the most well meaning people can write and do ignorant shit, because we just don't know things or we absorb hateful shit. I'm surprised nobody popped me in the mouth for some of the shit I said back in high school.
Lots of "I'm not a racist" and having to explain, nobody said you were, but you're writing racist cliches, unintentionally.
>>83994202
Well, I'm tired of you being tired of things cranky. I'm exhausted.
>>83994175
Yeah seriously, her name wasn't even Pamela Isley or just Pamela, was it? Could've just had that actress be pre exiting Ivy's older sister named Pamela.
>>83994222
I'm still fucking pissed they named her "Ivy Pepper" for fucks sake.
Is the age up thing just for her character or for the story in general?
Spencer seems to be tweeting about Sam's thing was at a public function and not the more private burial fwiw speaking of damage control
>>83994195
>>83994203
It really is about time, and the utterly slapdash nature of this thing has hit enough different fanbases that they can't just be dismissed or have it papered over with 'BUT WOLVERINE AND SPIDER-MAN ARE ON THE TEAM THAT'S SO FUCKING COOL'
How is Clint going to be shat on? Betting pool time--submit your guesses, the more specific the better, winner gets storytime of your choice (within length reason)
>>83994188
28 year old cast to play a 19 year old and possibly flirt and be sexual with a 15 year old on screen creepy.
>>83994238
The comics industry (or at least Big Two) is also vidya-tier in how it'll close off on journos I think, isn't it?
Some dude on youtube starting doing in-depth page analysis for comics and that's comics criticism I'd really like to see more of. It's too rare for critics to tackle art properly.
>>83994202
Nobody cares that you don't want to read it, it's that you keep talking about it even though you haven't read it. But obviously, we're just huge bullies persecuting you.
>>83994275
Read Hulk today, man Bruce's so dead.
Clint's trial should be fun
or i've seen people say Cho is the Hulk Ulysses saw
>>83994203
It's not racist though, just hacky.
>Killing Rhodey
Fuck, i always wanted him to go Cyborg.
>>83994289
Oh, very much so. If CBR gets even slightly out of line they'll deny them exclusives in a heartbeat. You can see this on twitter too, after every big blowup - be it in poor writing on the page or in some editor or creator being a harasser - everyone's closing ranks fucking immediately. That any of them actually stepped out to say "Beganza's harassment was bad" is a little unprecedented.
>>83994309
>Ulysses has vision that Hulk kills everybody
>Carol goes to confront Bruce
>Carol's side gets involved or whatever and Bruce dies
>Cho hears about Bruce dying
>Cho freaks the fuck out
>Ulysses vision becomes somewhat true in that Hulk tries to fuck things up
>but it's Cho not Bruce
>this is what makes everybody choose sides
screencap this
>>83994271
>>83994238
PROTIP: if you have to take to twitter to clarify later, like that it was public, or that Carol wasn't drinking alcohol, you need to do that second/third pass, and communicate to the artist and Editorial better
The "you fucked up" stuff is complicated, because 1) we're all human and defensive and 2) sometimes the charges are very true and sometimes they're more a case of leveraging "I didn't like this" into "This hurts me" because the latter is more effective.
>>83994289
Apparently KSD said something taken as inflammatory about comics journalism, and some people made the good point that most of what's tagged as journo is actually criticism, and they are different skillsets with different aims.
>>83993985
>can you say something about why?
General dislike of Alias/Jessica Jones and the wait she was Rick Jones levels of connected to everybody.
Bendis Samevoice issues.
The Streetclothes Avenger thing was a pet peeve.
Just, general dislike of Bendis Avengers period.
>>83993938
I am prepared to lose all five of my frequent viewers when I get to Bendis-era Luke Cage.
>>83994359
Dude already did! It was a whole Cyborg body thing with Ares involved.
>>83994381
Yeah. But when you're at "we're going to ignore Ta-Nehisi Coates" - who is also a fellow writer at Marvel now - it's official, you aren't going to listen to fucking anybody.
>>83994381
>Waller and Floyd are as bad in Dingohumper's mind as Batman, Flash and Superman
Its the little things that make me smile. And Boomer's suffering. That always make me smile.
>>83994416
You guys all did these really long storytimes at the same time!
>>83994418
>we're going to ignore Ta-Nehisi Coates
that picture of him after the summit still cracks me up
>>83994279
okay, that's creepy
BTW one of you pegged "Clint kills Bruce" way, way back when I started the first CW2 pool
>>83994418
>Cyborg Rhodey already happend
>Ares involved
Whelp, now I fucking have to read it. When was this?
>>83994418
It was Brevoort who mentioned that Coates emailed them in the first place, and he said they addressed his criticisms (which are unknown to everyone who didn't get that email).
>>83994416
Hey, I'm in it to the end.
>>83994460
I wonder what Brevoort's spirit animal looks like.
>>83994448
... Uh, okay, we appear to be reading a Warlord comic all of a sudden.
>"Clint kills Bruce"
Bruce, as in Bruce Banner?
>>83994504
Yes
>>83994460
Like what in god's name could it have been? "Thanks to TNC's criticism, we decided that Thanos hanging Rhodey from a tree would have been bad."
>>83994446
He's going to be so polite, and so perfect in expressing what's wrong with what they're doing, and they're going to nod and say "I appreciate that, but we're not going to change it." every time.
And that's the BEST CASE scenario.
>>83994479
I really think Brevoort has become beaten-down and jaded over the years, compared to his Thunderbolts-editing self. Some people grow and change, some flow with time, and some harden.
>>83994459
I believe this was during Dark Reign, mostly.
>>83994540
Yep. Some sort of tumor-ridden lobster seems appropriate. Or maybe one rat eating another.
>>83994519
Oh joy. So what's the over/under on when CW2 goes full Ultimatum?
>>83994446
>anons joked he looked like he regretted being there
>but it turns out that's entirely possible and nobody could blame him
>>83994448
Was it something people actually predicted before that one cutesy variant where Hulk is wearing an arrow hat thing?
>>83994540
>>83994537
And in a perfect world, Bendis is right that killing the black dude if it's the right dramatic choice is a valid story decision. But it's a bad idea when there are still so few black dudes, in addition to the utterly unearned nature of the gravitas they're trying to give it.
>those Task Force X...badges
>>83994585
Shakespeare quote to go out on. GG Ostrander.
>>83994238
>>83994289
/co/ zine!!
>>83994540
After years of having to deal with Bendis, I can only assume he just had his ability to give a fuck slowly drained from him, like a leech stealing blood.
>>83994580
I didn't timestamp predictions, unfortunately, so it might have been later
>>83994580
Maybe?
Marvel announced another big death in early June, and people realized pretty early in the thread that Clint and Bruce are two people that could very well get fucked up.
If there were variants posted then it was later in the thread and just confirmed the theories.
>>83994604
lol, hasn't that been tried?
>>83994585
Bendis has created multiple black OCs, if anyone can kill a black character, it's him. The way he did it was dumb though.
>>83994568
Unlikely. Rhodey fills in as disposable black guy (RIP Bill Foster), Bendis gets to do yet another Clint killing, after that... I don't think they've got a lot of killings planned. Some more z-list heroes and villains get killed, perhaps even ones they already killed off in events. The big kill would be Tony, and they're absolutely not going to do that, even though he's fucking earned it by now.
Rhodey and Clint feel like they're going to be the only "big" deaths.
>>83994617
>>83994628
there was a creation anthology that went for like 8 issues.
now i need to figure out how you'd start that...
The line of:
>Hulk is predicted to rampage
>Clint kills Bruce
>Cho kills Clint
Seems solid enough.
>>83994665
I wanted to try and kick start a mass Future Shock submissions thing once. 2000AD take them every year, but tone/genre and the fact it has to be physically posted mean it probably wouldn't fly too well here.
>>83994649
Hnng, look at the formal game going on here
why didn't we get that Tiny Hal in the Gutters story
>>83994686
>>83994686
yeah a zine you really just need a...well /co/ wouldn't like a tumblr. maybe wordpress? i dunno how blogs work
>>83994648
Hm. Kind of a shame if so. This thing could at least have the decency to be a glorious trainwreck. Though from the chatter, it may already be so.
>>83994688
I love, I SAY I FUCKING LOVE how Deadshot is completely unaffected by the jungle, and the different ways you can interpret that.
>>83994726
>Ivy, Nature Goddess...hates the jungle.
>>83994688
>why didn't we get that Tiny Hal in the Gutters story
god isn't that kind
shit, at least we got that Itty story in Sugar & Spike
>>83994721
It certainly seems to be a trainwreck for Marvel's event model, and I am so grateful for that. Their most slapdash event they've done in awhile, and I really hope actual sales, not just presales, are down, down, down.
>>83994742
Ostrander seemed to really want to focus on pockets of Ivy's hypocrisy. Works in some places, not great in others.
>>83994742
>>83994760
His Ivy is fundamentally venal, and I dig it
>>83994755
True, and I will 100% take that
>>83994727
Is he that broken, or does he legitimately not give a single solitary fuck? YOU DECIDE!
>>83994742
Yeah, that makes no sense. Some botanist she is.
>>83994795
hey, I like plants, and yet I do not like slogging through tick-infested brush
>>83994843
honey, he's a prig because you sex-slaved him
It is truly astounding how after this first fantastic run, Suicide Squad is just... bad. Bad bad bad.
Who do I blame for killing off Yolanda and Beth again? Against fucking Eclipso?
>>83994887
'strumpet' is a great, great word for someone like Werner
>>83994888
the 90s
they got Mark Shaw, too
>>83994887
Dude in bottom panel looking and sounding like the kind of guy trying to start a fight at a gas station convenience store.
>>83994888
>It is truly astounding how after this first fantastic run, Suicide Squad is just... bad. Bad bad bad.
That's hardly unique. Look at the Titans, they haven't had a good run since Wolfman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IvaV4eww6w
So in this thing, Sharp confirmed we're gonna see Cheetah, Ares, and Dr Psycho, and maybe possibly more classic villains in Wonder Woman
>>83994887
>Boomer wants to mack with Ivy
Dude. Digger. Nah, man. I hope that's a joke, cause while bad girls are great, there's limits. You gotta have standards.
>>83994939
Circe would be a great movie villain
>>83994930
pls do good Percy and Abnett
>>83994949
Do you really think Boomer has standards?
>>83994930
Let's be fair, Suicide Squad never had a Terry Long shaped albatross around their neck.
>>83994939
About fucking god damn time.
Diana coming to Barbara for help was my favorite thing about this issue. I'd actually like to see a legacy of Cheetahs. Working in Priscilla somehow would be great.
>>83994902
>>83994968
Boomer has no standards but a health sense of self-preservation, and he's seen what she can do
>>83994939
>more Wonder Rogues
Good. Decompression or no, Rucka actually bothers to use Diana's villains. Hell, they were among the highlights of his original run.
>>83994968
..... Point.
>>83995008
Oh man if we get Wonder Rogues then, can you imagine...
...Dallas-esque Veronica Cale?!
>>83995026
>>83995082
holy shit, Amanda
>>83995097
Deadshot doing a Dredd here.
>>83995097
WHAT THE FUCK AMANDA
I have no idea what the fuck this mind game is but I love it.
>>83995097
I'm going to miss elevated discourse Vertigo so much
>>83995030
It'd be really weird if Cale weren't in this run. Rucka created her after all.
>>83994976
There's been like four Cheetahs. Priscilla Rich, Deborah Domaine, Barbara Minerva(the accepted standard one), and Sebastian Ballesteros. Though the Nu52 retconned all but Minerva into being aliases, this whole idea of the story changing may restore this element. Which would probably lead to all the Silver Swans being a thing again.
>>83995149
...damn
What exactly is Waller's training/past? Is she some sort of CIA experiment to make the perfect agent out of the DNA of Dick Cheney & Oprah?
>>83995253
i think the streets actually.... she works the system
>>83995240
oh waller
>>83995240
>>83995253
She picked it up as she went. She's from Cabrini-Green, some of the worst handled projects in American history, very deeply ignored by the government. Lost two kids and her husband there, put the pedal to the metal on getting the rest of them out of there, getting herself a political science degree afterwards, which lead to a career in congress, where she stumbled onto the existence of the Suicide Squad.
Field training she picked up as she went. Her main skills are just being fucking smart as hell and incredibly determined. She's not a tech genius, but she's very, very clever.
>>83995253
She comes from the destroyed planet I Don't Have Time For This Shit.
>>83995253
Her career has been primarily white-collar jobs. She did however, grow up in Cabrini Green.
>>83995296
HNNNNNNNNNNNG
>>83995358
An ongoing series of Waller having to do political ins and outs would have been a great, mostly low-key series.
>>83995307
what was her congress job?
>>83995358
>>83995397
She was an aide to a senator, which she got after working a local election. She found out about the previous Suicide Squad, and pitched to Ronnie Reagan - even while trash talking him a little - the idea of bringing it back. She was put in charge of the project.
A very rare meteoric rise for someone so late in her life, but she had the skills that paid the bills.
>>83995397
She was a campaign manager for a congressman.
>>83995426
*mic drop*
>>83995426
Lawton should just have shot him once he started talking.
>>83995358
>President Waller
I'd vote for her.
>>83995393
Yes it would be. Why the hell does such a thing not exist?
>>83995457
If you never read the letters read this!
"Reality has a way of making us look like pikers."
>>83995442
Another reason why Eiling would especially despise her.
>>83995426
>>83995457
daaaamn
>>83995358
>Tropical Despot Waller
Fuck yes, i would read it.
>>83995457
Knowing when to actually repeat your panels is a crucial skill.
What a sendoff.
>>83995481
I really loved the way the books fleshed out the differences between Eiling and Waller, when their styles on the surface are so similar.
>>83995477
what a goddamn run of comics.
So, how about Raise the Flag starting tomorrow, 8 issues? Thanks for reading, and BUY THESE TRADES IF YOU HAVEN'T and/or buy the digital on Comixology. Show DC that we love this shit.
>>83995540
Oh hell yes, I love me some Raise The Flag.
>>83995540
(also: will run the Deadshot mini when I get clean scans, because the old ones are really hard to read)
>>83995540
Thanks for posting as always, Storyteller.
Suicide Squad is great, though I admit to being a bit of a sucker for anti-hero antics. Amanda Waller is the Queen Bitch.
>>83995457
perfect final page
>>83995477
>>83995540
Thanks especially for this one storyteller. It was a good time.
>>83995540
god that is some GOOD COMICS, thank you so much OP!
I have the run in digital although I am considering getting the trades too
>>83995240
>Waller wins with the power of Suicide
>>83995457
>the most suicidal skwaddies chose to live
Oh fuck, I love this.
>>83995540
You know I think he even undersells that "No" at the end. It's a hugely effective coda to the series, especially as a reflection of the whole squad which we know is coming to an end. It's a peculiar, bitter, upbeat note and that's just perfect for this series.
So who was your favorite character?Other than Waller
>>83993346
I read Cerebus' early barbarian adventures from my brother's collection when I was a kid, then I read some of his 'living in modern suburban America playing street hockey and calling/having his jackass male friends call him a faggot like the tough guys they were' phase when I was in my teens from the local comic shop.
I somehow managed to avoid the entire golden age everyone always recommends AND the worst of his over the top nutjob insanity at the end, too.
I've been kind of hesitant to step in front of that bullet, even if it meant grabbing for the gold, since.
>>83995540
Thanks again OP
It was a good run for sure
>>83995740
Is Boomer too pleb of a choice?
I didn't expect to like Bronze Tiger so much.
>>83995457
>final page by Bendis
>>83995908
You've never read anything by Bendis have you?
>>83995740
Vertigo's character arc is really close to home. Boomer's so wonderfully awful. And look at all the work done with Oracle in honestly not that much pagespace.
>>83995740
Eve.
>>83995643
SYMBOLISM
>>83994431
Mindboggler, too.
He can't even get over his inadequacy complex for people he set up to be killed (and succeeded with).
>>83994446
Post it?
>>83994188
>Ben meets New52 Bronze Tiger
>>83996153
>Marvel was a mistake
>>83996192
>Dogfucker's shiteating grin because he knew he would be free soon
>>83996192
It gets better when you look at Slott's quotes from that summit.
>>83996227
Do you have any on hand
>>83994416
Not gonna lie. I am probably going to check out then, because a) I already read most of it, b) I didn't much like it and c) it's going to be so, so, so much more stuff.
>>83994448
I was half expecting Guedhe to not be alive anymore.
"Locked up in a palace, no visitors" is a great way to have a perfect CIA puppet dictator in the form of a corpse.
>>83996311
>Though they also didn’t immediately settle on a big-name hero to turn into the culprit, Bendis kept referring to the doomed hero as Peter Parker, aka Spider-Man.
>“Do you see me worried? I’m not worried,” whispers “Amazing Spider-Man” writer Dan Slott. “This is not my first rodeo. By the end of the afternoon, it won’t be Peter Parker.”
>>83996413
>>83996192
>Bendis trying to kill off Pete and replace him with Miles
>Slott conniving in the corner knowing Bendis is full of shit
>Coates probably just groaning through out all of it
>>83996413
I need to become a Marvel intern just to attend one of these one day
>>83994585
>And in a perfect world, Bendis is right that killing the black dude if it's the right dramatic choice is a valid story decision.
This is true. Killing a black character should be no bigger deal than killing a white character.
Which really brings up how unnecessary it was to kill ANYONE for Civil War 2, because Civil War 2 is unnecessary.
>>83996397
>I was half expecting Guedhe to not be alive anymore.Keep reading.
If Bronze Tiger and Count Vertigo aren't on the team as of SS 2 then I call shenanigans
>>83996455
>>83996467
Yeah, it's kind of the knowledge that this was the level of the discussion that seals it for me.
>>83996536
i wanna know what happened to poor Bronze Tiger, dude should be in Squad and Injustice 2 but just missing the boat
>>83996536
I want Tiger and Nightshadeand Ivy.
>>83996413
lmao
>>83996536
no Ben, no buy
>>83994843
>hey, I like plants, and yet I do not like slogging through tick-infested brush
Are you well known for your obsession with turning urban areas into horrific predatory jungle biomes, though?
>>83996568
I forgot about some of the gold here actually:
>“What if the pressure causes (the hero) to commit suicide,” suggests James Robinson, another Marvel writer, adding that it could be a good way to draw attention to the scourge of cyber-bullying. But editor Tom Brevoort’s Spidey-sense is immediately tingling. “I don’t think you’d want a Marvel Super hero committing suicide,” he interjects.
>>83994980
Wait, why did Suicide Force here not get mindfucked by the jungle?
>>83996030
>not getting it
>>83995740
Still Leah. Even if she'll always be Mindboggler to me.
On the support crew, it's gotta be Sheba and Reverend Craemer.
Have to say it though, I can't think of a single character I dislike, or at least one I'm not entertained by. Even Boomerbutt.
>>83996556
They made him into a literal tiger-man.
For starters.
We don't talk about nu52 SS's character design changes.
>>83994540
>I really think Brevoort has become beaten-down
good
>>83995540
>Advertising Doctor Strange in a DC Book.
Joe Queseda was a mistake.
>>83995540
>BUY THESE TRADES IF YOU HAVEN'T
They're on the list, along with Simonson Thor, and more Astro City.
I need more bookshelves. And less Pile of Shame.
>>83995540
>BUY THESE TRADES IF YOU HAVEN'T
It's literally the only income Ostrander's going to see, those penurious bastards at DC held off on printing them for years while his health worsened.
>>83996516
>Killing a black character should be no bigger deal than killing a white character.
Or a green one.
>>83996722
Robinson pls
>>83997414
Please stop. Don't make Hal Jordan be hassled by random black men in the street again.
>>83996722
Didn't a DC hero kill himself in his final issue
>>83997563
Yeah, Vigilante killed himself at the end of his book
>>83997563
and alsoJohn Constantine
>>83997563
Ted Kord did but it was off-screen:^)
>>83997563
technically Hal has killed himself twice
>>83995740
I took quite a liking to ravan.
So whatever happened to Carmichael and the Cabal?
>>83997725
>Carmichael
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/cliff-carmichael/4005-3414/
>>83997725
We'll see Cliffy again, no spoilers
finale bump
