I saw the ultimate edition and really liked it. I loved MoS, and liked (didn't love) BvS because I thought it was a little choppy. The ultimate edition really smoothed things out for me and I'm on the love side now.
I think if you liked the movie or you were on the fence about it due to technical aspects or bits of issues due to the story, I think you'll get more of an appreciation of the movie since the added material really smooths things out. If you're just not into the movie, then you're just not into it. Movies, like any form of art, are subjective and people are going to like certain things and not like certain things.
Anyway, someone did the job of listing out the scene updates/changes for the ultimate edition in the link below. I'll post the details in the following posts.
http://dicapriyos.tumblr.com/post/145858657724/batman-v-superman
>Bruce saves more than one kid at the Black Zero event. He’s the BatDad we deserve.
>More violence shown in the village. More dialogue from the African man Lois was interviewing.
>The KGBeast burns the bodies of the men he shot to frame Superman for the killing. An actress hired by Lex confirms that Superman was the one who did it.
>Jimmy Olsen say “I’m Jimmy Olsen”. Him and Lois’ first exchange is funny.
>The CIA attempts to bomb the village with Lois still held captive. Clark intervenes.
>Insignificant: When Clark first starts his investigation in Gotham, there’s male couple kissing in the background on the ferry.
>Clark goes investigating in Gotham, he’s supposed to be there to write his article on the football game, but instead goes to interview the actress Lex hired. She’s not there, but his investigation in The Batman begins here.
>We see 2 different opinions on Batman. A woman claims the only reason to be frightened of Batman is if you have a reason to be. A man says implies that Batman has changed, now everyone should be afraid. “He’s angry and he’s hunting.”
>More Clark/Lois interaction. He’s worried about her investigation into the bullet. He says it’s too dangerous. She says that’s why she didn’t tell him about it.
>Lex has more of a background presence. Clark is assigned to the library benefit because ‘someone requested Clark Kent cover the event’. So clearly Lex already knows who he is from the beginning. Meaning he wanted Clark and Bruce to meet.
>Insignificant: Perry calls Clark a nerd.
>More Lex dialog with Finch. “Maybe if I keep everything the same Dad will come back.” He talks about his Dad almost as if he’s not dead.
>There’s a quick Bruce Wayne shower scene. Yes, we see Ben’s ass. Yes, it looks good.
>Clark calls his mom after the watching the Senator Finch interview. He asks why his dad never left Kansas and ask why can’t life be more simple. Martha responds nothing was ever simple.
>We see Lex pulling the strings more and more. He has the man Batman branded kill while in prison. Then he has the pics sent to Clark.
>There’s a new scene with Jon Stewart roasting Superman.
>Jena Malone plays an unmade forensic scientist.
>Extended scene with Diana she’s talking with a Curator about the sword on display.
>The Knightmare scene is longer. We see all the trucks arriving at the compound Batman is at. There’s a longer shot of Batman walking to the truck. Also an extended scene of Batman fighting the Superman soldiers.
>There’s a scene with Clark trying to find out what happened to the man who was killed. He talks with his girlfriend outside of the GCPD. She tells him words won’t stop Batman, only fists.
>Longer moment between Clark and his mom, she’s giving him advice.
>The actress Lex hired sees the KGBeast waiting outside her apartment as she gets off the bus. She stays on the bus.
>She goes to see Senator Finch to tell her the truth before the senate meeting. The pieces of the African plot line start slowing falling into place.
>Lois realizes the entire thing was a setup. She tells Perry to run the story. Lex set the whole thing up, it was an ambush for Superman.
>>83746083
Did they still keep in the Youtube videos for the Justice League or did they get extended scenes like those possibly bullshit rumors implied?
>Senator knows everything. Lex threatened and coerced that actress into lying about Superman. She realizes Lex has been using the senate, playing them like puppets.
>The KGBeast pushes the african actress in front of a subway car to silence her.
>When Finch says “Today is a day for truth.” she was talking about Lex setting up Superman. That’s when she sees ‘granny’s peach tea’. In the context of the UE at that moment she realizes she’s been played when she sees Lex’s empty seat.
>After the senate explosion, victims are being treated on the steps outside. Superman is flying victims out of the wreckage. He’s helping. He’s saving people. He sees all the damaged caused, of the dead bodies and blames himself. He locks eyes with Lois, and flies away. (Ok so I legit teared up bye)
>There’s a scene with Alfred chopping wood. Out side the Wayne residence. He goes inside looking for Bruce and sees what happened at the senate meeting. The returned checks from Wallace sit on a coffee table. He seems to realize that Bruce is about to do something reckless. He turns to face the lake, worried.
>We see Lex watch footage of Batman breaking into Lexcorp to steal the Kryptonite. He smirks. All according to plan.
>Longer montage of Bruce weaponizing the Kryptonite and a little bit longer of him working out. (God…)
>We see people blaming Superman for the attack on the capital. News outlets are saying if he’s so powerful, why couldn’t he stop a bomber a few feet away from him? There’s a protest where they hang and burn a Superman doll in frustration.
>Longer scene of Clark in the mountains. He walks by a group of men by the base of the mountain. As he walks by they say “He knows the mountain is not passable. He’s come to die.”
>Lois is watching the news. Lex apparently planted bomb materials for investigators to find in Wallace’s apartment. Superman has not been ruled out as a co-conspirator. We cut to Lex on the helipad as the news channel still talks about evidence pointing to Superman being involved. He smirks.
>Lois goes to Wallace’s apartment. It’s completely changed from the scene where we see Lex give him the wheel chair. Anti-Superman graffiti everywhere. Bomb making material on the desk. Lois realizes that Wallace had just bought groceries. She conclude he didn’t know he was going to die that day.
>She calls Jena Malone’s character again. That bullet from the desert? Wallace’s new wheel chair? Both made from the same metal. The same metal Lexcorp manufactures. Also the wheelchair was lined with lead. So even if Clark checked, he wouldn’t have known it was a bomb.
>We see the full Lois kidnapping scene. (Her being dragged out to a truck)
>After the BvS fight, Alfred tells Bruce where Martha Kent is. Bruce says “I don’t deserve you Alfred.” “No, you don’t.” is Alfred’s response.
>When Clark goes to confront Lex he says “You lose.” Lex says “I don’t know how to lose.” Clark says “You’ll learn.” Lex mockingly says “I’ll learn! I don’t hate the sinner, I hate the sin. And yours, my friend, is existing.” So basically this whole scene is like 2 minutes longer.
>There’s a scene of Martha getting rescued by the GCPD after Batman saves her from the warehouse.
>>83746140
It's still there, but (like most scenes in the movie really) the transition into that scene is much better. Diana doesn't just pop into her room and computer like in the theatrical cut.
>There’s a scene with Lex in the Kryptonian ship communicating with what is presumed to be Steppenwolf, 3 mother boxes, and an outline of Earth’s solar system. This scene was also released on YouTube back in March.
>The end montage is longer. Metropolis is shown to be empty, leaves blow through the street. Business’ are closed. The Daily Planet shut down. Why? Because everyone in Metropolis is attending Superman’s funeral.
>The Daily Planet staff attends Clark’s funeral in Kansas. Pete Ross and Lana Lang from Man of Steel are also there.
>The priest presiding over Clark’s funeral reads a passage about resurrection and the “Earth giving birth to the dead”.
>BRUCE PAYS FOR CLARK’S FUNERAL BYE I’M GONE
>In the prison scene, Lex makes it abundantly clear that he knows Batman is Bruce. Lex says “Look at us. This is how it all caves in. Civilization. Wayne Manors. Out the window. But who would believe me? I’m insane. I’m not even fit to stand trial.” He laughs. Bruce says “That’s right, we have hospitals to treat and heal with compassion. But that’s not where you’re going. I arranged for you to be transferred to Arkham Asylum (Suicide Squad cameo confirmed?) in Gotham.” Lex quickly stops smiling.
>>83746183
Okay, I guess I could live with that shit. This all sounds good anyway.
>>83746169
>When Clark goes to confront Lex he says “You lose.” Lex says “I don’t know how to lose.” Clark says “You’ll learn.” Lex mockingly says “I’ll learn! I don’t hate the sinner, I hate the sin. And yours, my friend, is existing.” So basically this whole scene is like 2 minutes longer.
Some good shit
Thanks OP.
Sounds pretty good.
>>83746427
No problem, man.
Best analogy I can think of for the ultimate edition is the LotR extended editions. Like the BvS ultimate edition, the LotR extended editions are basically an additional .5-hour added onto each 2.5-hour movie. But the extra material really expands and fleshes out the movie.
As an LotR fan who read the books, I liked the theatrical cuts but I always thought it seemed a little short and limited. However, I loved the extended cut since it really added additional depth and really smoothed out the entire product for me. I think this is the same situation as this BvS cut.
Just have to wait for the Blu-Ray to come in so I can watch it on HD.
I thought the movie was pretty bad, but all this definitely sounds like improvements.
Still, it still seems like total incompetence to let a movie have so many plot holes after editing. A lot of the time, studios screw over filmmakers, but in this instance, come on, Snyder knew that three hours wouldn't make it into the theatrical cut, so it was still his job to make sure that whatever did still managed to make shit. If you need three hours for your story to make sense but know that big-budget studios won't want to do more than 2.5 hours, you still kinda fucked up.
>>83746797
>nyder knew that three hours wouldn't make it into the theatrical cut
pretty sure they initially asked for a 3 hour film and decided to do major cuts later on.
>>83746797
From what I heard they were set for a 3hr movie up until the last min. And some executives panicked and we got the choppy cut instead
>>83746212
>Civilization. Wayne Manors. Out the window
There's a small mistake here, the actual line is "Civilization on the Wayne, Manors out the window".
>>83746901
>>83746994
Films get cut down for any number of reasons. Kingdom of Heaven got cut down by 45 minutes due to audience reaction and suffered. The director's cut for it was really acclaimed once it was released.
We'll likely never know why BvS was cut the way it was other than (at times conflicting) hearsay and rumor. Snyder has said he both drove the cuts down to 2.5-hours because he wanted to and also said he initially wanted a 3-hour cut but doesn't have the weight like higher profile directors to impose it.
Some stories just need that extra room to breathe, and it looks like BvS is one of those.
>>83747049
Maybe we'll get some idea because it seem this cut is so much better and people are saying its stupid they didn't release this.
>>83747049
WB asked for a 2.5 hour movie and he came to them with over 4 hours. He cut it down to 3 and tried to get it past them and they still refused cause he wasn't following directions. It's his own fault
These do sound good. Cautiously optimistic.
>>83746147
>Senator knows everything. Lex threatened and coerced that actress into lying about Superman. She realizes Lex has been using the senate, playing them like puppets.
Whoever edited the theatrical version I'm Lmaoing at your life
>>83747232
It was 4-hours of footage with everything they filmed in. They came down to 3-hours cut after trimming the fat. This is normal, as most every movie films much more than what you'll see in the released version so the editors and directors can play with the final product to get to something that works.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/batman-v-superman-originally-included-four-hours-of-footage
It looks like studio interference caused them to trim down from this 3-hour cut (likely the ultimate edition) to a 2.5-hour cut so that audiences wouldn't be dissuaded from such a long movie and allow more shows to be run within a period of a day. Could it have still worked as a 2.5-hour cut? Sure, it'll work on some projects and not work on others. BvS looks like the latter. I'm glad we'll be able to see the actual vision.
>>83746169
>After the BvS fight
so no longer fight BvsS fight scene?
>>83747586
It's just a slight bit longer, before Superman drives Batman up the building he throws him into an alleyway
>>83746105
>>The KGBeast burns the bodies of the men he shot to frame Superman for the killing. An actress hired by Lex confirms that Superman was the one who did it.
Thank god
but has it been ripped an uploaded to torrents yet
>>83746128
>>There’s a new scene with Jon Stewart roasting Superman.
Wot
>>83747789
Jon Stewart was one of the people during the news media scenes. It was a Daily Show spot where he cracks jokes about news. His cameo was cut apparently.
>>83747789
The jew, not the black lantern.
>>83746083
God... this sounds so good
>>83746169
>Also the wheelchair was lined with lead. So even if Clark checked, he wouldn’t have known it was a bomb.
How does Lex even know that Supes has x-ray vision?
They fixed it dammit
They did it!
>>83747923
The same reason Bruce does: by studying him.
It would just take finding a pattern in the way he 'scans' things; for most things he just seemingly looks at them but others he physically checks behind them. Analyzing those things would show they were made of lead. Ergo, he cannot see through lead because he uses x-rays.
Or he could have also found out by studying Zod's body.
>>83746105
So things that would have actually made things coherent were cut.
Yikes there is bad management at Warner Bros.
>>83747905
>Not posting the video
Am I really gonna have to wait 2 more weeks? Where's the torrent?
It didn't fix any of my issues with the film, but at least things were better explained.
>>83746083
>4K
I'm fine with picking up a blu-ray copy, right?
>>83748197
What were your issues?
>>83746105
>>83746128
>>83746147
>>83746169
>>83746212
not reading all of those but from what I have already read, that shit makes me apeshit mad. I fucking hate the WB suits for wanting that much important content cut
I'm sure snyder must have been pissed as fuck, especially after the movie was critically panned like a motherfucker
BVSU>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CIVIL WAR
>>83748402
I really hope so. I liked BvS more than Civil War but objectively, Civil War was the better movie.
This time around, the genericness of Civil War totally ruined my experience with the movie. I enjoyed Deadpool, X-Men and BvS more than Civil War just because it didn't offer anything interesting. Even the airport fight didn't really amaze me for some reason
My last hope is basically Doctor Strange now that those motherfuckers apparently cancelled Inhumans
>>83748245
Yeah, the Blu-Ray is fine. They're promoting the 4K because it's one of WB's first wave of UHD releases, along with MoS, Fury Road, Lego Movie, etc.
Pure kino confirmed.
>>83748559
What's the opinion on 4K anyway?
I was always satisfied with 1080p that I fail to see why I should purchase Ultra copies.
>>83746105
>Jimmy Olsen say “I’m Jimmy Olsen”. Him and Lois’ first exchange is funny.
So he is the CIA right? SNYDER! FUCK
>>83748735
Zack Snyder shot Jimmy Olsen in the face. This will never not be funny.
>>83746169
>Bruce says “I don’t deserve you Alfred.” “No, you don’t.” is Alfred’s response.
ok I laughed.
>>83748683
It's the new emerging format, but it's still in its infancy. So the TVs and players are pretty overpriced at the moment. Best wait until more products come into the market and the price drops. Most media also is just converted for 4K at the moment and not produced with it in mind, so it's another reason to wait a bit on it.
>>83748735
>>83748779
The Ultimate-est Edition will fix it, you just wait
>>83748735
>>83748779
Could be easily retconned by saying the dude wasn't Jimmy, but was just using Olsen's identity as an actual photographer as a cover for the operation.
>>83748924
Clark Kent is also more or less death.
>>83746128
>There’s a quick Bruce Wayne shower scene. Yes, we see Ben’s ass. Yes, it looks good.
kek
>>83746268
That sounds absolutely atrocious. What part of that sounds good?
>>83748922
>>83748924
Why would it need to be fixed? It's perfect. Nerds need to stop worrying and learn to love the Snyder.
>>83746128
Jon Stewart?
What??
WB knows about the leak.
>>83749556
>>83747789
This guy, you slow fuckers.
>>83749577
Okay, but where's the torrent?
>>83749556
The funny tv jew not afro lantern
>>83749677
There's no torrent. It was accidentally up on legit sevices like Flixster and CinemaNow for a while. AFAIK, nobody ripped it while they could.
>All this extra poetry
No wonder the movie needed to be cut, shit's redundant yo
>Gotham thug goes "Batman's out hunting shit!"
>Later Bruce himself goes "Hey Alfred, my family was hunters, so you could say i'm an hunter myself right now"
>Lex says "I hate you because you're God and God can't be all good"
>In the same scene Lex says a similar "I hate sins and you're sin's existing"
And people are already blaming the WB suits for the theatrical cut, as if the script and the director were good in the first place!
Althouhg i have to ask, is this really legit? The part where they point out the wheelchair bomb was covered in lead so "Supes couldn't have seen the bomb even if he tried!" feels exactly like the kind of excuse a fanboy would make up. Also the Snyder movies never enstablished Clark can't see through lead, please do correct me if i'm wrong
>>83749732
You assholes. You had one job.
>>83749805
*your sin's existing
>>83749805
It's legit.
And while it'll never be confirmed, it is rather likely Snyder could've shot some additional scenes to assuage fan outcry.
>>83749900
He's not a good storyteller, if anything he'd make things worse with reshoots.
>>83746083
>More real life celeb bullshit
We get it Snyder, this is the REAL world.
All the extra Clark/Lex stuff sounds great, the rest sounds redundant.
>>83746212
>Lex being scared of Arkham
Pretty gay
>>83747031
>"Civilization on the wane, manners out the window."
>>83750007
Well, reshoots or not, that scene actually makes things worse. If there's anything more pathetic than a scene of the hero being distracted from a danger, it's a scene of the hero being distracted from a danger WHILE being technically unable to notice it in the first place
Like, the second version only helps pointing out that Superman didn't even try, it's an unecessary detail that serves no purpose
So do they include a reason for Lois Lane to exist in the movie?
>>83750194
to show that Superman isn't gay
>>83750194
To talk to Jenna Malone about shit so the movie can officially pass the Bechdel test
BvSkino > CWgarbage
>>83750194
>She was the reason Superman showed up in Africa
>Initial reason for Superman's confrontation with Lex
>Extended Cut has her piecing together Luthor and the Africa incident
shame none of these additions will be canon desu
>>83750301
>Extended Cut has her piecing together Luthor and the Africa incident
The theatrical cut hadn't?
>>83750363
piecing it together sure, but it never went anywhere
>>83750381
Where does it go this time
>>83750363
It did.
And both versions lead nowhere.
>>83750363
The theatrical cut had her working on it, but it ends with her giving the General the bullet. Extended has her linking Wallace with Lex and figuring out why Clark couldn't see the bomb
>Wanted both BvS and Civil War to be great
>Went in with low expectations for both
>Both were just alright
At least I still enjoy comics, I guess
I hate being the guy who doesn't get hyped for adaptations
>>83750286
Civil War garbage? Agreed.
>>83750417
restoring supermans reputation with a fancy news article?
>>83750445
Which also leads nowhere.
That's the problem with the movie. It's overstuffed with stuff that in the end doesn't amount to much.
Take a good hard look at the movie and tells me Wallace Keefe couldn't easily be removed and just replaced by a random bombing.
So where's the torrent?
>>83750445
But that still doesn't go anywhere
Storytelling-wise speaking, it's all pointless because we know since the beginning Lex's behind it all. Once Lois suggests us what the bullet was for, anything else is unecessary. What's the point of having her notice Wallace didn't want to die if we, the audience, saw Lex fucking around with him by ourselves? It'd only have a point if it showed her writing an article about it or something...
>>83750559
As i guessed. But OP doesn't mention it. And still, is it *really* necessary? Wouldn't the police's report show directly that Superman was just a victim of Lex's big ruse?
>>83750604
>Which also leads nowhere.
It cleans up Superman's name, shows he wasn't the one behind the Africa incident. It shows why Superman didn't see the bomb ahead of time. It provides evidence that Luthor was playing Bruce and Clark all along.
>>83750667
>Storytelling-wise speaking, it's all pointless because we know since the beginning Lex's behind it all.
>we know
Yes, WE know, but not the characters in-universe
>>83750667
I think without Lois investigation, the police would've only gone as far as to blame Lex for Doomsday and not the incident in africa.
>>83750723
What's the difference if Lois knows about it in advance? What's the significant difference from what already happened in the theatrical?
>>83746083
newsflash: competent directors make the movie to fit the time they have allowed and correctly the first time
>>83750696
No, it doesn't.
Superman wasn't looking for it. It's still on him. The lead is just a way to bullshit that had he looked for it, he still wouldn't have found it.
And we already knew they were being played all along.
So Superman has still no meaningful dialogue.
He says nothing in the courtroom, he never talks to Wonder Woman, he only asks a couple of questions and listens to the answers.
>Ultimate Version
Fuck right off.
>>83750845
I agree its obvious Clark wasn't looking at Wallace because of how guilty he felt but its more like no one but Finch knew Lex was planning something. Supes didn't suspect Lex at this point.
>>83746083
Posting in a studio shill thread.
>>83750963
He talks to his mom and Lois more.
He talks when he needs too. And Zack never does movies for the dislouge unfortunately.
I thought he talked plenty and when he needed too.
>>83750820
It gives them a way to clear Superman's name
>Lois is watching the news. Lex apparently planted bomb materials for investigators to find in Wallace’s apartment. Superman has not been ruled out as a co-conspirator. We cut to Lex on the helipad as the news channel still talks about evidence pointing to Superman being involved. He smirks.
>Lois goes to Wallace’s apartment. It’s completely changed from the scene where we see Lex give him the wheel chair. Anti-Superman graffiti everywhere. Bomb making material on the desk. Lois realizes that Wallace had just bought groceries. She conclude he didn’t know he was going to die that day.
>She calls Jena Malone’s character again. That bullet from the desert? Wallace’s new wheel chair? Both made from the same metal. The same metal Lexcorp manufactures. Also the wheelchair was lined with lead. So even if Clark checked, he wouldn’t have known it was a bomb.
>>83750845
>Superman wasn't looking for it. It's still on him.
He didn't even know it was there
>And we already knew they were being played all along.
Yes, we knew, not the characters
>>83750840
Or have a better understanding what needs to be edited to still tell a good story. Snyder and & Co edited a ton of the wrong things the first time.
And its still not a really good movie with the story parts added back in.
Superman still isn't Superman and that's always going to be a problem going forward.
>>83750845
>Superman wasn't looking for it.
why would he be using his x-ray vision all the time? there is no point in doing that unless he is paranoid as fuck.
>>83751020
Is there any flaw in this film you're unwilling to ignore or forgive?
Just curious, though I think I already know the answer.
OP here. Someone put up a review on Letterboxd which pretty much mirrors what I've said:
http://letterboxd.com/antovolk/film/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/2/
Bottom line:
>If you liked the theatrical cut on the first go, you'll love this. If you were on the fence/mixed on the theatrical cut primarily because of the execution issues (except runtime - because there are people for whom a 3 hour superhero blockbuster is too much), you'll likely come out enjoying this. If you didn't like the film the first time for more fundamental reasons like Snyder's vision for these characters and the places he's taking them and the overall story? You probably still come out disliking it.
>>83751020
Ant-Man talks more in CW than Superman does in BvS theatrical, and he's only in 20 minutes of the movie. I doubt the ultimate version changes it too much.
Superman is a leader and a moral compass. After his dad dies (heck, even before that), he doesn't follow people, he leads and teaches them. You can't lead people without talking.
At least give him a speech at the courtroom or something, he's a complete bitch during the whole movie.
>>83751152
>You can't lead people without talking.
Actions speak louder than words anon.
>>83751185
You should follow superman and kill yourself too, then.
>>83751150
>It's bad for the same reasons it was bad the first time.
Also, I'd like to take a moment to acknowledge that today marks the 3rd anniversary of the very first Snyder Defense Force thread, June 13th 2013.
We should take a moment to appreciate the tireless efforts of the WB turd-polishers.
>>83751230
Different strokes for different folks, man. You're intent on hating the movie and MoS for whatever fundamental reason you have. And that's cool, that's you. Doesn't mean your opinion and overplayed memes are going to dissuade me from enjoying something I enjoy.
>>83746169
>Bruce says “I don’t deserve you Alfred.” “No, you don’t.” is Alfred’s response
I'm ready for a 3-hour movie of this. I love Irons' Alfred.
>>83751291
>Doesn't mean your opinion and overplayed memes are going to dissuade me from shilling this movie every single day until you like it.
Fix'd
>>83751230
Obviously you gotta date the first defense force threads to when he was announced as director.
>>83751230
>>83746128
>There’s a quick Bruce Wayne shower scene. Yes, we see Ben’s ass. Yes, it looks good.
Why the fuck did they cut out the most important scene in the movie?
>>83751321
Nah, there was still "S" for the movie at that point.
>>83750136
That's a clever line. Wish it was in a better film from a better Lex.
>>83751338
Ben was afraid he'd offend the allahu ackbars.
I have to say that I appreciate that Justice League so far hasn't been pushed back, and that we'll only have to endure a solid year of BvS defense threads.
>>83751443
This may get people into blind hype again. Leading to a second fresh review electric boogaloo.
>>83750840
Even Peter Jackson was beginning to slip by Return of the King by not having Christopher Lee in the theatrical cut.
>>83746128
>More Lex dialog with Finch. “Maybe if I keep everything the same Dad will come back.” He talks about his Dad almost as if he’s not dead.
The senator oddly felt like Luthor's mom, red hair and all.
>>83746083
>I loved MoS
shit taste, stopped there pleb
Fuck this nonsense. I want a Sam Raimi Superman movie, and I want it now.
>>83751152
Antman made noises and didn't say anything meaningful.
Supes talked when he needed and said things when he needed too.
They may have talked more but did they say anything worth while
.>>83751074
I honestly don't like the way the JL camoes were shot, especially Flash's. Its not shot like its from a security camera.
I only really like Cyborg.
>If you liked it, you'll like the ultimate edition.
>If you're on the fence, you might or might not like the ultimate edition.
>If you didn't like it, you won't like the ultimate edition.
Spectacular reviews.
>>83751556
But he already ripped off the first two Reeve films with his first two.
I'd take a Joss Whedon Superman movie
>>83751607
Joss Whedon shits on DC characters all the time
>>83749732
>>83751571
>Supes talked when he needed and said things when he needed too.
I think you just broke me. He didn't say a word at the courthouse. He was no trial, and he said nothing. He didn't try to say anything, he just sat there, looked at people talking about him and waited for the bomb to go off so that they could play the curb your enthusiasm theme song as he stared into the burnt walls.
>If you liked it, you'll like the ultimate edition.
so, say, 27% of the population will like it. Big improvement
>>83751607
Yeah, no thanks. Whedon miraculously wrote a decent Vision, but I'm not expecting lightning to strike twice. Superman is literally the worst character for Whedon to write with all his sarcasm and inability to be earnest.
Raimi would be the way to go because he has the feel for it, which never really matched Spider-man in my eyes (I like the movies a lot, but they aren't very spider-man-y to me).
>>83751571
>Supes talked when he needed and said things when he needed too
Your opinion is over. Kill it.
>>83751714
The senate thing felt more like Finch's scene and Lex's as well. I can kinda see what you're saying, I don't agree or disagree but what can Supes say beyond 'I mean you no harm'.
And this was Lex's scene to get back at those who he felt wronged him.
>>83751714
meme
>>83751885
>Lex's scene to get back at those who he felt wronged him.
>Was going to do something illegal and is already doing illegal things.
>Some reason tries to sell the idea to Government officials..for reasons.
>Does illegal thing anyway and decides to kill them for...reasons.
>Also Jar full of piss because a Senator decided to use a obscure colloquialism.
His motivations need a bit more because they are kinda crapfully communicated to the audience.
>>83751714
>. He didn't say a word at the courthouse. He was no trial, and he said nothing. He didn't try to say anything, he just sat there, looked at people talking about him and waited for the bomb to go off so that they could play the curb your enthusiasm theme song as he stared into the burnt walls.
He walked in, Finch saw the bottle of tea, and then the explosion went off. There was no time for Superman to say anything there
>>83746083
It's already being shilled at Maximum Effort.
>>83752135
>There was no time for Superman to say anything there
Are you a literal retard? This wasn't a documentary. This was written by some cunt who had control over what happens.
That's like saying that Superman couldn't drag Zod out of Metropolis. Fuck you, yes he could, you just write "Superman drags Zod out of Metropolis" instead of "Superman can't drag Zod out of metropolis". If need be, after he saw the destruction, so you don't ruin the stakes of the movie.
>>83752135
Who the hell receives a package during such a important meeting anyway? Was Lex dressed up like the delivery man looney toons style?
>>83752222
Supes flings Zod into the outskirts and then divebombs him in the chest knocking him out.
>>83752222
>Are you a literal retard? This wasn't a documentary. This was written by some cunt who had control over what happens.
That's not a problem with Superman not saying anything you retard
>>83752295
Speedy Delivery Man.
Really though it goes though the post office and a horde of screening.
>>83746083
It's pretty obvious that this is going to fix all the problems in BvS. So fucking hype for this. All but confirmed to be the greatest capefilm of all time.
Like holy shit, did y'all see the trailer? 11/10 dope as fuck can't wait already have 2 copies pre-ordered.
>>83749661
Wait, that's the new Green Lantern?
>>83751571
>Supes talked when he needed and said things when he needed too.
His entire personal conflict could've been solved if he'd opened his mouth, but whatevs. That's too hard.
>>83752338
Yes, it's a the key problem with the entire WB effort. They've taken some sullen, unlikeable misfit with Superman's powerset, slapped a Superman costume on him, and told very un-Superman-like stories about him.
That's the big issue.
It's the equivalent of recasting Cavill in Hancock, putting him in a Supes costume and call it "Man of Tomorrow".
>>83752338
>He walked in, Finch saw the bottle of tea, and then the explosion went off. There was no time for Superman to say anything there
>There was no time for Superman to say anything there
>There was no time
Yeah, fucking physics.
>>83752312
Would've at least have been more in character with Supes than dodging and exploding truck that cleared a building.
>>83748000
>The same reason Bruce does: by studying him.
This Bruce, or Bruce in general?
>>83752528
I was talking about this Bruce (BvS) specifically but I guess it can also apply to comics-Bruce, since when they meet he sometimes is already aware of Clark's abilities.
>>83752471
You over estimate the willingness of the US govenerment to admit they were wrong.
>>83746083
>>83752603
Aggregation of critical reviews is an Illuminati/Disney conspiracy, it is known.
>>83752643
>>83752576
This Bruce gets all his information second hand though. He has to, otherwise he finds out about Martha way earlier.
>>83752582
It doesn't matter if they listen. What matters is that he makes the effort. If he can't be bothered to even open his mouth and make the effort, that just makes it look like he's lazy or doesn't care as much as the whining would have us believe.
>>83752684
>This Bruce gets all his information second hand though. He has to, otherwise he finds out about Martha way earlier.
Then he might have simply stolen the information from Luthor.
Unless I'm forgetting something I think that would work well.
What's /co/ obsession with Superman needing to constantly smile and talk?
In the comics Superman is much more about his action and his very serious. Very few times does he do speeches and jokes.
>>83752175
I can already see all the "Ultimate Edition sold X copies, [other compay] BTFO!!1!" threads
I mean, i wouldn't expect that normally, but then i remember that a while back some people were actually shitposting about how DC won "in the long run" because MoS sold, like, 10k copies in blu-ray more than IM3 and that was the ultimate proof of what the paying audience's preference was
>>83752850
And in this when he does talk with with a Scowl and a Sneer. Which is part of the problem.
Superman is the Paragon that all the other League checks their actions against. This isn't that Superman.
>>83751443
So we can move on to Justice League defense threads?
>>83752850
Cite your sources.
>>83753037
Superman's Rebirth marketing has been all about dem flaming, angry eyes
>Bringing back hope
kek
>>83753163
>Ignore your comics, what about Johns' marketing this month?
>>83752681
Its funny coz its true
>>83746212
>BYE I’M GONE
Did a 12 year old write this?
>>83746083
>>83753230
seems more like a woman/girl.
>>83746083
Torrent when?
>>83753199'twas indeed a joke at Johns' expense
>>83753314
WB stopped the leak
>>83752684
What's the point of talking if its not gonna be heard. Everyone who would have heard it is dead. Thus there was no point in universe.
Plus it wasn't his time to talk.
>>83750840
Newsflash: You have an extremely childish imagining of what the movie making process is like.
More meaningless scenes to an already 75% meaningless movie. Top kek
>>83753240
KINO
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>>83753637
>What's the point of talking if its not gonna be heard.
Characterization.
>Everyone who would have heard it is dead.
At that one moment, yes. How about in Mexico? How about at any other point in the movie? Hell, how about talking to Batman instead of just wrecking his car giving him threats?
>Thus there was no point in universe.
Then the universe is poorly written. If the only way for your character to fail is for him to not try at all, then that's lazy.
>they cut out almost all of the scenes that would make superman into a co-protagonist instead of just the non-character he was in the theatrical cut
I'm a Marvelfag but this pisses me the fuck off, whoever edited this shit needs to be fired because even with all the stupid shit in this movie, all the deleted scenes added would make this a serviceable 7/10. What a fucking fiasco that has to be going on for 1/4th of your movie to end up on the cutting room floor.
>>83751230
True heroes. Defenders of Justice.
>>83755482
Snyder seriously wants Batman to get raped in prison doesn't he?
>>83753037
That's not Superman.
>>83755709
And it wasn't the fourth that included the hamfisted justice league trailers that Wonder Woman watched. Or her boarding a plane to god only knows where only to get right off.
>>83756366
Snyder's this universe James Gordon.
I'm hype. Definitely solves all the minor issues I had with the movie initially.
But keep on complaining about the film, all your tiny nitpicks and complaints about the characters only reflect poorly on yourself, not the movie.
>>83752222
"I love deus ex machinas!! It doesn't matter if the plot wouldn't make sense!"
>>83752222
>That's like saying that Superman couldn't drag Zod out of Metropolis. Fuck you, yes he could, you just write "Superman drags Zod out of Metropolis" instead of "Superman can't drag Zod out of metropolis". If need be, after he saw the destruction, so you don't ruin the stakes of the movie.
He literally takes Zod into space but Zod is so intent on keeping the fight in Metropolis and causing as much destruction as possible, Zod LITERALLY says these are his intentions before the fight begins.
Zod, a seasoned warrior, bred for this sole purpose, trained all his life, up against a farm boy in pretty much his first public outing as Superman, never really fought before, still understanding his powers. Shut the fuck up.
>>83753037
Nice Clark Kent scene. Reminds me of the one at the party where he confronts Bruce. And the one at the office where he confronts Perry White about the reason for writing his article on the Batman.
So is the reason behind Doomsday's creation explained better? Cuz that's one of my only real complaints with the theatrical version.
>>83758187
What were your problems with it?
>>83758294
What was his end goal with it? If Batman ended up killing Superman, wouldn't he just end up releasing a Kryptonian abomination on the world that would end up destroying everyone and everything?
It seemed like Doomsday was supposed to be a contingency plan in case what ended up happening in the movie did happen, yet a contingency plan that would happen even if the contingency for it did not occur.
>>83758404
>Batman ended up killing Superman, wouldn't he just end up releasing a Kryptonian abomination on the world that would end up destroying everyone and everything?
There's actually a countdown running when Superman confronts Lex that says "10 seconds to animation... 9 seconds to animation..." so presumably if Batman had killed Superman he could've aborted the procedure.
>>83758469
That's what I thought, but wasn't sure since nothing about it was ever mentioned. Was hoping there'd be at least one mention about it, or something else, in the UC.
>>83758512
But it was already there in the theatrical cut. Why do they need to make it even more obvious?
>>83747442
Yeah didn't Fury Road have like 125 hours worth of footage filmed?
>>83751443
"Booyah Begins" gets me every damn time.
>>83758404
Yeah, there's definitely the countdown "30 seconds to animation". I mean just because it isn't outright shown that he could cancel it, it would be logical to assume that it would be a feature of the systems there. It is pretty advanced alien technology so I wouldn't mark it as an impossibility.
But thing is when Clark arrives, Lex comments "one bat head too short", because Lex wanted Clark to kill Batman. But then he also would have won if Batman was successful. In the case of the former, he would have unleashed Doomsday to finish the job, but in the latter, we don't clearly know if he could have aborted the procedure if Clark was killed in the fight.
But then there's the case of the extended birthing chamber scene, with Steppenwolf and the Mother Boxes. Could Lex have been manipulated into creating Doomsday, to ready Earth for Darkseid or whatever/whoever is coming? The master manipulator manipulated by the larger enemy in the DCEU?
>>83748248
no quips
>>83758775
Just because the humour isn’t tension-breaking, in-your-face Whedon-quips, doesn’t mean there wasn’t any.
>Batman's 'n-no please don't' gestures as the effects of the Kryptonite wears off
>Bruce: "My foundation's already issued a statement in support of, uh... books"
>Perry: "Crime wave in Gotham! Other breaking news: Water -- wet!"
>Clark: "Is she with you?" Bruce: "No, I thought she was with you"
>Bruce: "Oh shit"
>Alfred's lines
>Bruce: "I like those shoes"
Are they going to release the theatrical version or is the uncut version the definitive version so there won't be any confusion?
>>83758903
Both versions are included.
>>83758652
>>83758774
Yeah, you guys may be right. It just felt weird to me, even on my rewatch.
Fucking hyped for the UC either way, though.
>>83758659
Fury Road had about 240 hours worth of footage to work with to make an hour and a half movie. The last 18 minutes alone had 100 hours of footage they could use to piece it together.
http://www.indiewire.com/2016/01/how-they-edited-the-oscar-nominated-mad-max-fury-road-175150/
>>83746105
>The KGBeast burns the bodies of the men he shot to frame Superman for the killing. An actress hired by Lex confirms that Superman was the one who did it.
See, this is how we fucking KNOW you're lying, because anyone with a double-digit IQ knew that the movie never blamed Superman for killing people in Africa. Not once. Never ever. Only retards and children didn't understand what happened, because it is outright stated in the very next scene.
>>83747737
See like this moron, right here. Didn't pay attention.
>>83746128
>More Lex dialog with Finch. “Maybe if I keep everything the same Dad will come back.” He talks about his Dad almost as if he’s not dead.
This is almost "Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!" tier of awful.
>>83758852
>’s a scene with Clark trying to find out what happ
My favorite was the little back of forth of Lois haggling with better seats for her airplane flight, and getting shut down. It was a nice character moment. Showed that Lois is always bargaining for more, and Perry doesn't take any bullshit.
>>83759239
>See, this is how we fucking KNOW you're lying, because anyone with a double-digit IQ knew that the movie never blamed Superman for killing people in Africa. Not once. Never ever.
I'm watching the theatrical cut right now and at 16:28 Clark says the same "I didn't kill those people if that's what they think." line that's used in this trailer:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8AO19XY2rqc&ebc=ANyPxKqjk6fTBN8CWXnSkRq0GWyznoTFQF1fDEHOj9CsJMbPjCgxJUJEl6I06a3NTAm-uIGeYnEa
So it was in there, it just wasn't conveyed well by the theatrical cut.
Guess that means you're in the single digits?
>>83759239
Are you fucking retarded?
Yes he's blamed for fucking killing the people in africa. It's the entire point.
>>83758852
I liked Martha Kent's "I know; the cape?" As well as the little dramatic irony jokes.
"You do NOT want to pick a fight with this guy :^)"
"But it's not 1938!"
"Clicks his heels three times, goes back to Kansas I suppose"
>>83760352
No it fucking isn't. In the theatrical cut, the conflict is that Superman taking out the terrorist cell caused a power vacuum that resulted in the government fire bombing the shit out of the whole village. His best intentions had a terrible outcome. This was the whole point of his talk with ghost dad, and the story about the horses.
>>83760000
Just because Clark says that doesn't mean that's what he was held responsible for. He had no idea what had actually happened at that point. He just knew people died after he left. Nobody in the movie accused Superman of killing anyone in Africa. It was that his actions had unintentionally bad consequences, hence Senator Finch calling for the meeting. If anyone in that movie seriously thought Superman dropped out of the sky and lasered a bunch of people to death, there would be a LOT more going on than a Senate meeting.
>>83761099
>Superman taking out the terrorist cell
Yeah the government thinks he killed them.
>>83760548
Martha's cape joke was one of the best bits. It came at a perfect time, and really helped ease the tension. The audience really never got a chance to breathe once bats and Supes started fighting.
>>83760548
>"Clicks his heels three times, goes back to Kansas I suppose"
One of three Wizard of Oz references I noticed
>Lex mentions the Emerald City
>Lex: "Ding dong, the god is dead"
>>83761180
Not in the theatrical cut.
>>83752603
>Thor 2 above 5%
Is the point to show how shit RT averages are?
>>83761661
RT percentages are just the amount of good reviews against the number of bad reviews.
Look at the average rating out of 10.
>6.2/10
There may be good reviews, but those good reviews aren't necessarily giving them high ratings, just that the general tone of the review was positive.
>>83761325
Yes in the theatrical cut
>>83755482
Leak WHEN?
https://vt.tumblr.com/tumblr_o8qpusJ97q1r74s1j_480.mp4#_=_d-damn
So any lewd Lois Lane? Only reason why this extended edition should be rated as it is.
>>83762011
Clark, you just ruined those shoes.
>>83761874
Nobody ever accuses him of that. NOBODY.
Clark says "I didn't kill those people, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY THINK." He doesn't know what he's being accused of, and is just making the most obvious guess. Apparently you value the random shot in the dark from Clark more than the fucking scene where the judge specifically says that Superman's intervention caused the town to be razed. She says nothing about Superman killing anyone. His actions ultimately caused more death, but he was never accused of killing anyone directly.
I'm sorry you have brain problems.
>>83762011
Assfleck and shirtless Cavill. This Ultimate Edition is worth it for those two alone.
>>83762011
Damn, that guy fucks.
>>83762011
That face before bends down
>I'm about to tear that pussy up, Lois
>>83762043
Zack sexualizes men more than women. Its lewd BatAss and countless shirtless scenes of Henry and Ben.
>>83762011
It's meant to show the contrast between how Clark and Bruce treat women. Clark treats Lois will love and passion, while Bruce just treats women as objects to protect his identity.
KINO
>>83763253
But Bruce isn't using women so far. This would only work if Bruce was being a playboy. But based on what Alfred complaining about Bruce needing to get a woman, he's dropped the playboy hook.
>>83763793
He literally wakes up with a woman in his bed.
>>83763793
>>83763834
That's what I was referring to. He leaves her there like she means nothing to him.
>>83763922
Exactly. She isn't given any focus, hell I missed her the first time I watched the film. His forced compliment about Mercy's shoes even shows his disregard for women, it wasn't sincere, only to make sure she wasn't suspicious of him.
On the other hand, Clark stays in the morning, he's even there making breakfast. He came home intending to cook dinner for her.
>>83763834
Must have missed that. Gonna have to rewatch.
>>83762187
nah thats the whole thing, the woman in the court is talking about how the bodies were burned, and superman goes to testify to say he didnt kill them
>>83759292
nah not really
>>83749507
you got some shit taste friendo
>>83762187
You need to rewatch the movie
>>83751362
>not muh lex
>>83751152
>You can't lead people without talking.
jesus you retard
>>83764058
That's fair, the scene is fairly dark, but she's there.
>>83758404
also remember, he didnt know Doomsday would become doomsday, he just thought he would make a hybrid clone. He didn't heed the warning of the ship.
>>83751523
MoS is patrician taste, it's a pleb filter just as much as BvS.
If you don't like it you have shit taste.
>people are still trying to damage control this terrible movie
Is this a meme?
>>83764324
>people are still hating on this amazing film
Is this a meme?
I kinda like this movie.
>>83764313
>Clark holding Plato's Republic
>Snyder knew that storytelling was more important than moneymaking
>>83751059
Because muh Superman can't be shown to be less than perfect
>>83755482
DELICIOUS
>>83746128
>>We see Lex pulling the strings more and more. He has the man Batman branded kill while in prison.
Wait, so Bruce isn't even deliberately intending people to be killed when he brands them?
That makes the branding make even LESS sense. Before, it was just "Why would a Batman who's willing to kill bother with setting it up so people in prison do the killing for him?", now it's "Why would a Batman who's willing to kill stop at branding?"
>>83765712
Clearly we're not deep enough for Jesus Snyder.
So just like Watchmen, the Ultimate Edition is actually much better than the theatrical run.
So the real question isSuckerpunch Ultimate Edition when
>>83765712
Because it's about sadism and visceral need to punish the guilty. He primarily kills in self-defense situations, he is never shown to kill just there for the sake of killing someone, apart from his hate boner for Superman, which was entirely misguided.
The branding also works as a way to promote his legend and fear. Not only is he going to break every bone in your body, he's going to make you wear his goddamn brand for the rest of your crippled life and make you look like a bitch in front of other crooks who now think you're a pussy.
>>83766487
there's already a directors cut of suckerpunch
it'spretty good
>>83764162
Yeah. BURNED BY THE MILITARY STRIKE THAT HAPPENED AFTER SUPERMAN LEFT.
God damn, Snyder really is too smart for you faggots.
>>83764373
Let them hate.
Just saw the movie yesterday and I was absolutely happy.
>best Alfred
>much flash
>batfleck bestbat
>luthorberg
>muh wonderwoman
And I like how lex is a villain that causes death
He actually is a threat
>>83766487
So this is pretty common with his movies, huh?
So,when will the top brass stop making him direct DCEU movies already?
>>83765712
>Wait, so Bruce isn't even deliberately intending people to be killed when he brands them?
except it was stated before that people get a harsh treatment in prison when they are branded, only in this case, it went as far as someone getting killed.
>>83764162
>nah thats the whole thing, the woman in the court is talking about how the bodies were burned
The woman in court was crying because the bodies were of innocent people. It is stated that a ton of innocents were killed by the military in the wake of Superman's actions. Why the fuck would this African woman be crying over the deaths of terrorists that were infecting her village?
If the world thought that Superman literally dropped out of the clouds and fucking scorched an entire African village of innocents, he would have been made a fucking world-wide criminal. They wouldn't want to have a nice chat with him at the senate, there would be a warrant out for his arrest.
How sheltered and autistic are you people that you have no metric by which to judge the severity of these actions?
>>83752947
When he talks to villains he acts like this. Literally every issue it happens.
You should read comics dude.
It sounds like you just watched JLU and called it a day.
Studios should release the intended cut even if its 3 hours long. And Directors should set a goal to meet whatever restrictions are placed, instead of releasing an incomplete movie and then releasing a directors cut.
>>83767956
>You should read comics dude.
Which comics? Name some comics. Post some comics. You /tv/ fags love insisting that Snyder is ridiculously accurate and all you ever post is that single out of context page where he kills Zod back in the Byrnes run.
And you can't even post that one in the context of this conversation because Clark talks a lot in that scene.
>>83752603
So reviewers have bad taste by and large.
The only one of those movies (on both sides of the aisle) that deserves above 80% is The Winter Soldier.
>>83762011
>tfw Superman will never finger you in an overflowing bathtub after bringing you flowers
Why live?
>>83752947
Actually, he is that Superman. Just because he doesn't do everything with a smile and a nod doesn't mean he isn't doing the right thing. Both Bruce and Diana had lost their way for selfish, personal reasons, and had forgotten why they had originally taken up the fight. Meanwhile, Superman, who has suffered loss, ridicule and harsh disapproval from the world over, never gave in. He still gave his life for a world that disapproved of him.
This isn't even subtle. I'd accuse you of not being able to read between the lines, but this was right out there.
>>83750337
Except they all will.
