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>Wise words from John Cleese:
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>Invisible Ink:
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http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
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>Fonts for your webcomic on Blambot:
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>Guide to promoting your comic:
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Updated my comic today! What do you guys think?
>>83246852
Just make nudes of her already if your gonna dedicate a whole page of her wearing little clothing, and being super acrobatic and sweaty.
>>83246852
Woah that's good
>>83246961
>little clothing
>acrobatic, sweaty
did you know women sometimes exist as human beings and don't do things so that you can jerk off to them?
>>83246762
I've had an idea kicking around since 2009 that's kind of a parody of RPGs, but now I'm afraid I will be accused of ripping off Undertale.
>>83248222
If it's good, the controversy will only serve to attract more readers.
>>83246852
Her outfit seems a bit weird for gymnastics. Shouldn't she be wearing a leotard?
With the way the lines vanish into the shading in the full-body shot, I thought she was wearing a miniskirt until the third time I read through it.
>>83248995
shouldn't she be wearing a spandex bikini?
>>83248995
>>83249267
It's only afternoon practice so I opted for gym uniform in school colors, with the leotard being reserved for actual competition.
Let's call this a hypothetical question that's totally not based in reality.
Say I have a comic I've been doing for years. It's almost entirely a personal exercise in writing and art, but I still enjoy making it for the sake of developing the characters and story. The early art is horrible, and there's no proper "beginning," or even introductions for most characters.
Say that, at one point, I get wise and trim the fat of boring, uninteresting, or just bad character elements, and stories begins to form as I focus on the core personality traits and lives of the characters rather than "lol random" nonsense. My art finally begins feeling competent. I even start thinking my writing has developed into something that isn't completely awful. I get to a point where I actually want to share it.
Here's the question: How should I go about sharing it? Do I tell people to begin from the "start," and just say "look, the early stuff isn't all that good. Just please stick with it, I think it improves a lot as times goes on." Or do I start people off where I feel the comic finally picks up and becomes readable and actually visually pleasant? Even if it means some early characterization or development in the less-than-good old stuff is left out as a result?
>>83249980
Almost every webcomic out there started out with worse art than they have now. I've found that people tend to stick with it.
>>83249980
>Or do I start people off where I feel the comic finally picks up and becomes readable and actually visually pleasant? Even if it means some early characterization or development in the less-than-good old stuff is left out as a result?
I think that you should at least accommodate newer readers who don't want to slog through all of the old stuff, by having characters explain things that happened in the early days when it's referenced, rather than expecting the reader to already know.
You can have the early strips in a separate archive so that people who want to read them can do so.
>>83249980
How many pages do you have, dude? My webcomic is kinda the same way, it starts slow and it sucks to introduce people saying "it gets better", BUT, in my case the first pages aren't that bad, me and the writer still think they are ok, and there are only a few of them before the story picks up anyway.
If the first pages of your webcomic are as bad as you make them sound, maybe you should just redo them from the start.
>>83250028
Very true. Suppose I'm just worried about first impressions.
>>83250184
I tend to try and make sure motivations are clear. Or at least as much as I can with snappy dialogue, as I try to avoid walls of text.
However, I have been thinking of making "chapters" that focus on particularly important moments in characters' early development. Could always do that and have some kind of "New Reader" section with links to each chapter.
Would rather not separate the early stuff from the new stuff entirely. While I'm growing attached to writing its stories, the comic's primary purpose is and always will be about its development; I'd hate to push the old stuff aside as though I don't want to remember where I used to be in comparison to where I am now.
>>83250405
Uh, I have about 440 strips, give or take a dozen based on ones that even I don't want to look at anymore (And weren't important to anything). Like I said, been doing it for years. Though, I have been considering going back and doing a visual update of the old stuff without color. With all the settings already figured out, it'd be pretty easy to update them, though it'd probably take a while on its own since it'd be so many old strips to update.
>>83250642
>440
i don't believe it. are you counting sloppy stick figure doodles?
>>83250809
Nope. The accurate number is actually 439. Would actually be more if I didn't hit a bad episode of depression in late 2014 that lasted to mid 2015; the preferred schedule is at least 4 strips a month, though it used to be twice weekly before college and more detailed character designs/backgrounds happened.
Been doing it since 2010. Actually earlier than that, but that's as far back as I felt comfortable uploading to my site. And yeah, I pay for a site no one looks at (I put it all elsewhere online too, of course).
>>83250642
wtf, have you been publishing them? Maybe you could throw away stuff that is irrelevant to the plot, and don't flesh out characters. The best I can suggest is a reboot of your comics, but then again, I don't know how bad your comics are... I particularly can't stand going through a gigantic archive of bad strips to get to the good stuff, but I know there are people here who don't care, maybe the majority of the public won't mind as well
>>83250940
>it's already online
whyd idn't you say so my amigo, post liink
>>83251027
Nah, I'm definitely with you there. I can handle a couple issues of sub-par art if the writing is good, but two hundred+ pages before I can get to something that looks interesting and I'm probably gonna nope out.
>>83246852
I have a theory why she is into gymnastics...
>>83251337
shutup fag, we already know she wants to be a teen hero
>>83251068
Pathetic as it may be to say, I'm not sure I'm comfortable sharing it here just yet. I think, over the weekend, I'll work on gathering the various stories into their own respective chapters so that it's easier to navigate through everything, both old and new. I also need to clean up and reorganize a few things so information is clearer and less hack-ish. Some details need to be clarified and whatnot.
Thank y'all for the information. Hopefully I'll post here around Monday. For better or worse, I have to shove my work into the open at some point.
>>83251711
Pathetic. Just never share that garbage here
>>83251711
Just post Wojacks talking about how sad you are at the state of your comic and then clam up when people ask to see it.
Done with this for now. Still gotta come up with a title for it really.
Thoughts and opinions welcome
>>83252624
It's a little weird that she follows a blood trail to the dead guy, but there's no blood visible near him.
>>83247363
I know, but I'm just getting a sexual vibe off of this.
>>83252716
oh shit.......I knew I forgot something. Left a layer turned off.
>>83252737
Quit being such a pervert.
>>83250940
one thing you can do is change or modify the title, like.. if this is when it picks up, this is when it's a brand new series.
>>83252737
>>83253047
you guys are both making it really hard for those of us who get sexually aroused by how non-sexual this situation is. just to be able to see raw natural animal health in action is a novelty nowadays.
>>83252716
there you go
>>83253200
Yeah, that's more like it.
>bleeding out of the eyeslot
Eesh, that's rough.
>>83253303Defilers are not welcome
>That feeling when your webcomic is getting linked in threads and people are calling it cute.
I don't have a face that can describe this feeling.
>>83253918
nice
>>83253918
because you're not wearing that face, because that never happened.
>implying anyone cares about your comic
>>83253918
Good on ya, Anon.
I'm making up two pages in order to give Lucky lotus and Lous more character. I probably going to be finish at the end of the day.
First draft! Full of Grammar mistakes and misspelling.
>The eternal lotus. A dangerous bandits of plant people that thrives on stealing treasures from kings and monsters.
>I can’t believe I meeting one of them. A dumb idiot that selling me something that doesn’t exist.
Also Tumblr link: http://character-limit-blog.tumblr.com/post/144321455345/what-is-her-plan
>>83253200
I really like how good you are at creating lush environments and backgrounds/settings that don't feel "standard" for lack of a better term.
Or maybe I'm just a sucker for overgrown ruins.
>>83254083
>>The eternal lotus. A dangerous bandits of plant people that thrives on stealing treasures from kings and monsters.
>>I can’t believe I meeting one of them. A dumb idiot that selling me something that doesn’t exist.
"The Eternal Lotus*. A dangerous group of bandits, plant people who thrive on treasures stolen from kings and monsters."
"I can't believe I'm meeting one of them. And I can't believe she's this stupid, trying to sell me something that doesn't even exist."
*I'm assuming "eternal lotus" is a proper noun.
>TFW I'll someday be able to make a living on comicsW-We're all gonna make it, right bros?
>>83254714
the customerbase isn't large enough, so no. but it's okay. your goal should be being known and liked
Most of the art for my first page is done, second onwards might be a little lighter on backgrounds and more focused on characters.
>>83255347
That moon is a bit too yellow imo, but good job otherwise.
The page is pretty small. Is this the same resolution it will be on the site?
>>83255424
No not really, I just took a print from the photoshop screen, the actual page is much bigger than that.
I'm trying to go for an arstyle that has lots of contrasting colors so the yellow is sort of intentional.
>>83246852
Too many panels for nothing
>>83254246
Thank you anon.
I am sorry for using you as my proofreader.
>>83255734
>Implying he isn't doing just to appeal the waifu fags.
>>83255734
that's how cape comics work though.
>>83246852
>Sweat smelly girl feet and armpits
>>83256192
dammit we're all thinking that but we're trying to be less crude about it and not drive the artist away.
>>83256384
>>83256192
the artist knows what he's doing
>>83256456
yes, and he's being classy about it. so follow that lead. 'read the room' as the young people say now
>>83256493
I want to cum on her lewd stinky feets, put her shoes on her without cleaning up, and then watch her walk around in semenshoes all day!
>>83256192
>>83256563
>>83256563
the irony of how difficult it is right now for me to use my computer to find an image of someone being hit with a rolled up newspaper is palpable.
>>83256563
Hello strange man
>>83257145
>reddit filename
WIP of the next page.
Had to make it a little bit bigger than usual though, for story purposes.
>>83257983
fifth panel you're*
7th their* and i assume as* perfect, not ad
hhahaha, crack stash. well this explains a lot about poor pongel
someone* one word
ahh so that's who those little neon outline guys are.... riiiight i remember now
>>83257983
ugliest comic posted here
>>83257983
sixth panel "I mean I" one "I" is different from the other... one is capitalized and the other isn't. It's common to have upper case "I"s in comics, but here they are too inconsistent. It's specially weird when you have an "I" be capitalized after the end of a sentence, like "If he makes you" on the fifth panel, but then the text on the fourth panel starts with a lower case "I".
>>83258386
Don't be rewd.
Page 08 of Chapter 06 done.
I HOPE it'll come across well enough with dialogues that the middle 5 panels are a flashback about "last night"
Anyhow, now that the setup is done things can finally take a turn for the worse!
>>83249980
I think it's a STANDARD to expect webcomics to start off kinda "ehh... it's okay" before it actually gets good. Most webcomics have their latest update in the front page, so at least people new to your work will know that it gets better latter on; which also gives you a bigger incentive to do your best since each page is intended to peak some viewer interest at first sight. Obviously there'll be "duller" dialogue pages here and there, but you do with what you can.
>>83246852the scene where she'll meets up with her mom in costume and ask to be her sidekick should be fun
>>83253200
Those are some very nice backgrounds you make. I have a bit of an issue with the values as, even if it's different foliage, more saturates elements will "jump" to the foreground while the less saturates will recede back; but overall it's still a great looking page, keep it up.
>>83254221
Same, ever since Crash Bandicoot I've loved Overgrown Ruins in video games
>>83255347
Looks like it could be the intro to a 3DS game, it's really pleasing to look at.
>>83259200
Please don't start a conversation where Dewd makes lame excuses. We've had enough of those.
>>83259053
that is a neat way to do flashbacks but it works
>>83259200
Ok, uh, shitty art and shitty writing, and I'm a hack, there you go.
>>83259053
Also started doing Character Design for Chapter 7 & 8; there's actually a LOT of characters to design for these two chapter who recur throughout the series. I liked how they came out; I was hesitating whether to have the fox knight walk on his feet like Nick does in Zootopia or to have him stand like when you command a dog to "walk", but thought the latter looked cooler.
I think I also finally managed to get chainmail to look good, found a really clever way to draw them quickly from an illuminated manuscript kinda like what CGGuy showed me
>>83260040
plantigrade animals are lame, you chose right
>>83259200
To be fair though, the amount of money you make on patreon doesn't speak much about the quality of your content... Miss Melee and The Sisters for example look pretty good, they are popular around here, yet they only make a few bucks on patreon... So... In any case, what does it take to get a fanbase that contributes on Patreon?
>>83260081
that's how you know that's trolling, anon, and not legit criticism
>>83260166
Clearly it's just bullying, but I legit want to know if anyone has any ideas on how to get patreon followers... I mean, besides catering to feminists like the Questionable Content guy.
>>83260081
>Miss Melee and The Sisters for example look pretty good, they are popular around here, yet they only make a few bucks on patreon
Both of those comics are relatively new. Success doesn't happen overnight, although they've both been around for less time than West Tree and they're still making more.
buhumps
>>83260040
That's a fox? I thought it was something else at first, probably the helmet fucking with his fox ears.
dead thread, dead comics
>>83264477
i ran outta ideas. sue me.
>>83264477
I made up a comic about an eel that randomly shows up and gives random but practical advice.
>>83266733
i like it
>>83266733
kind of a mameshiba vibe. i dig it. you're cool teagreen.
>>83268658
just let the thread go jim.
Oh, I just can't let this thread die!
Here's the finished page!
>>83270137
i had nearly forgotten she used to be yellow. yay continuity
>>83260040
Digitigrade tends to look better for manimals, especially lithe ones like foxes. Good choice.
>from an illuminated manuscript kinda like what CGGuy showed me
Man where do you think I stole it from in the first place? Looks good.
There's a few things that I'm curious about, though;
Why are there no shield bosses on any of the shields? To the best of my knowledge, round shields that weren't center-gripped were more of a classical (Greek Hoplon) or mid-renaissance (Scottish Targe and the Italian Rotella) idea, which seems at odds with the general feeling of dark-age-knights that these guys are giving me. Obviously you're not constrained to history (and you did have Richard comment that he wasn't used to a center-grip shield back when he got his), but why not give them all kite shields?
Those spurs look a little advanced compared to everything else. I don't believe the star shaped thingies on the point ("rowels") were a thing until the late 13th century at the earliest.
What's with the square on the front of the fox guy's chest? I've seen them on a lot of modern illustrations, but I don't recall ever seeing them on period art or archaeological finds.
I'm a little sad nobody's wearing surcoats, but I guess that's not the fashion back in wherever these guys are from.
>>83246762
These threads were a mistake.
>>83273255
There nothing but trash.
>>83273255
>>83273263
>>83266733
It's just like the bass in Courage.
>>83253200
i added to this some gradient shadows, some blue hue and also lazy shading
it looks good but it needs to be darker and feel damper to better portrait that its jungle.
>>83274111
WHY IS IT JPG MAN
>>83274239
>>83274239
jpg - 768KB
png 2.38KB
Gee I wonder why jpgs are used
>>83244831
>Like really short stories, no longer than say 15 pages.
Thanks for the tip! I took that into consideration as well.
>>83241713
>>83274111
> fiddling around with the saturation and figure differences
That and the shading really helps. Brings out the best of it. A feast for the eyes.
>>83241185
Fantastic! I love that girl. I like Issue 2 a lot more than the first one so far.
>>83240577
>I literally don't know what is going to happen on the next page
I honestly thought you planned chapter 1 out thoroughly, as it reads and flows really well. Looking forward to chapter 2.
btw. You're probably already aware of it, as your panel boarders in the late chapter 1 and your gag strips are cleaner, but just in case I'd like to mention that as pleasant as your art is to look at - it gets confusing sometimes if you use a mid tone value grey background with unclear panel boarders. I'd say you don't need to outline them, but change the BG to either black or white and cut 'em sharp.
>scabbards were designed to be tied to or slipped on to your regular belt
That's really cool! I might go with that design. Thanks for the inpiration!
>alarm bells
>Not cutting out the "cool" stuff that doesn't actually contribute to the core story
Sorry, I probably wasn't articulating myself well enough. Let me rephrase it:
I don't see the story as set in stone and neither do I try to fit in every character or story idea. It is more like a tree that branches out. As I set rules for the world or bring in a new element, the tree changes and I have to consider a lot, as it's all coherently connected.
In short: The more refined the story gets, the larger it gets (content wise). And even if I don't show the content directly, I at least have to take it into consideration when writing, to properly showcase the world and foreshadow upcoming themes. I want it to be worth re-reading.
>>83259053
>>83260040
Your comic looks pretty good, I will give it a read!
>>83246852
What brush are you using?
>>83274633
Noice.
Blood and guts and stuff.
http://vigormortis.co.uk
>>83274111
>>83253200
who i am is not important, but i made you a fanarts anon
>>83273920
Yeah, it's pretty much a cousin of Bathtub Barracuda.
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh just kill me now.jpg
lol
>>83275083
It's 2016, nobody has 56k anymore.
>>83270137
Boy, does your artstyle just not work when you try to show serious things.
>>83271865
>Shield comment
Well, I kinda wanted their kingdom to have a sort Mediterranean vibe (which is why they also have dark curly hair, and darker skin). The shield choice just came from some older Spanish High Middle Ages manuscript where they used a mix of mostly round and some kite shields, without bosses as far as the ones I saw were concerned. So I thought giving them mostly round shields would be an easy way to make them more "exotic-looking" and distinguish them from the more "continental-looking" Aquillians, which'll have a design more akin to the Norman knights.
Admittedly though, I just googled "Knight's spurs" or "Medieval spurs" and it hadn't really occurred to me that those would have also changed throughout history, but that can be changed in a jiffy. I don't know what the square thing is either... I also saw it in modern illustrations mainly but also in the Roda Bibble
>>83275628
Sweet, thanks!
Please bear through the Frog Among Fairies chapter since that's the wordiest one and not very interesting...
>>83277120
It's pretty great how since you do a fantasy comic you can just take stuff from all over history. If I were doing your comic, what I would do is intentionally mix cultures in the clothing, weapons, equipment, etc. because you can get some really interesting mashups that way.
It should be noted that's not an original idea or anything, I'm stealing it from Harry Turtledove and how he intentionally mixed up cultural and ethnic trademarks in his Darkness series of fantasy novels, which is World War II but in a swords and sorcery fantasy world. It's very interesting, you should check it out if you're a fan of fantasy.
>>83252624
Obvious Möbius influence, but the lack of depth in the drawing and colors is killing it for me. Learn some hatching and line variation
>>83275628
Thanks! Issue 2 deals with a lot more characterization and character development, which was the biggest complaint we received about issue 1, which we intended to be more of an action hook.
There will be some REALLY nice character interactions over the next couple of pages - I think you're gonna love it.
>>83277180
>It's pretty great how since you do a fantasy comic you can just take stuff from all over history.
Of course, the reason I started doing this was because I love to draw historical armor and clothing and mythological creatures; especially those you don't see too often on film!
I think keeping the human's clothes and equipment more "down to earth" creates a nice contrast from the more fantastical elements of the comic such fairies, I think.
some time ago, some anons said I shouldn't do an edgy webcomic implying that there are a lot of them. I know its my decision at the end but I still do wonder, are there really that many edgy webcomics out there and what is considered edgy anyway?
>>83246852
Could use a scene setting panel, as it is, its too cropped in on average. I know that having pulling out seen to be a bit of waste, you wanted to focus on the character, however, I feel narrative could benefit from having a good look at where this character is.
Although I am guessing not having too much bg is because you are following a tight schedule.
>>83278294
I think edginess done right is okay, mainly if you got something to say behind the deliberately shocking content, hot opinions or gratuitous violence. What's seen as edgy may vary from people to people though. Like, I read Preacher for the first time a few days ago with the story time on this very board, and it has many edgy moments, but its also brilliant in its own rights. I'm not sure I read any edgy webcomics to find a better example though.
Am I gonna get some flack if I pull a fearful symmetry and make the panels "reflect" each other in a chapter of my comic? It takes place in a house of mirrors that reflects one's true self.
>>83246852
This is a really fucking weird page.
It doesn't flow very well, for starters. The composition almost seems to ask the reader to move in a figure-eight across the page. One of the bars in the first panel almost looks like it's supposed to be a margin, the motions don't gel together, the entire bottom row is centered on what initially appears to be a singular spot on the floor but logic would dictate that it's actually just tracking her relative position on the floor because she's moving???
It doesn't make any sense unless you read it as "look at this hot teenager." Even as a training montage it's just really odd because there's no focus on WHAT SHE'S DOING or the progression of time, it doesn't work as a scene transition because there's no establishing shot and very little continuity between the first several panels...it's just a fucking mess.
>>83253200
Given everything else being so detailed and the quality of your composition, it's a bit jarring that the protagonist faces right and has nearly the same upper body posture in all three panels. In cases like this it would be beneficial to do things like changing her line of sight in the first panel, reorienting her in the third panel, and maybe change her posture in said panel.
Leaning forward in panel three, maybe while near or against the pillar, would make for a more visually appealing page...at least, I think so.
![pavise1480b_s[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/DTryPRu.jpg "pavise1480b_s[1].jpg")
>>83277120
Huh, I guess I learned something new today.
Do the sources you have show anything of how they were held? That trio of dots and the visible elbows on some of them make me think they might have had a protruding Y- or T-shaped center grip like pic related, rather than something that straps to the forearm. But then again, Spain had a lot of contact with North African and Arab people that did strap round shields to their forearms, so that's definitely also a possibility. Also when I googled to see if I could find some better images of them, I came across one source saying that Spanish shields were pure hardened leather, rather than having a wooden core - that might make for another interesting contrast from the northlanders and Richard's people.
>I don't know what the square thing is either... I also saw it in modern illustrations mainly but also in the Roda Bibble
Google gave me a few images of the bible in question, and I think I know what you're seeing. Are you sure there isn't another line from the square going under the armpit in the images you're thinking of? To me, it looks like the artist was trying to depict the "Varangian bra" (I don't know of any other name for it - it's a leather harness that goes over the armor) that you find a lot in Byzantine art. IIRC nobody's sure if it was an actual thing that people wore or if it was just an artistic convention, like how you find a lot of illustrations of legendary knights wearing Roman-inspired armor in the renaissance.
![will_eisner_016[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/EnTbkFd.jpg "will_eisner_016[1].jpg")
>>83275628
>I honestly thought you planned chapter 1 out thoroughly, as it reads and flows really well
Thanks! Sadly, I have to admit it was very loosely planned. Some of the scenes and panels were really clear in my mind long before I got to them (like on pg 27 when Skalmöld calms Skeggöld down during the sunrise, or the final shot of the raven flying into space) but a lot of the pages in between those moments were very improvised because all the script I had was "they fight the ghost" for three pages. On the upside, it left me in a good position to capitalize on any sudden bright ideas, like how they ended up meeting Asbiorn et al - I didn't know anything about pg 30 when I was drawing pg 27 and thought they'd just find their own way to the river and Biarne's farm, but then as I was working on pg 28 I realized it might be a good idea to introduce them to the eventual "antagonist" in person, rather than only learning of him second hand from the slave.
>it gets confusing sometimes if you use a mid tone value grey background with unclear panel boarders
Yeah, I thought I could use the flowing together of borderless panels to my advantage like pic related, but it turns out I'm not actually Will Eisner so I'm going to stop making it the default and only do it when I feel like I know what I'm using it for.
I'm not gonna totally stop having borderless panels, but panels with borders are gonna be a lot more frequent in chapter 2. I wanna keep the grey background for now, since I think it'll work better when I'm not forcing myself to avoid panel borders, and I've always loved how it works with highlights. Might change it depending on the lighting of the scene.
>>83276720
>It's 2016, nobody has 56k anymore.
It's 2016, people use mobile internet with monthly data plans.
Like it or not anon, but with the smartphone and tablet generation looming upon us we're moving back to smaller screens, unreliable connections and pay-as-you-go data plans. There's a reason why the tall thin comic strip format is gaining so much traction.
>>83274111
didnt realize this was supposed to be a deep dark jungle, i took it for an airy sunny kinda shangri-la
what yo'd wanna do if it's dark and jungly is add an overall dark color with just patches of brightness seeping through the breaks between leaves. little reverse-cloud-shaped (inward curved lines) lightpatches
>>83278294
the other day i saw an anon post a big list of webcomics and a lot of them seemed pretty edgy, like for some reason a lot of people likes to include demons and dark magicin theri comics
but if you think you can write edgy stuff right, go for it
i personally can't do it so avoid it almost all the time ans just use more serious moments when is really necessary
>>83278294
without any further information it's impossible to advise
>>83278845
why would that get you flak? it sounds clever. so clever i wouldnt get it.
>>83280632
shit and here i've just been being efficient because i respect it. but i don't respect mo-bile shit at all. i do a vertical comic because it reads nicely on a normal browser with a normal 4:3 monitor (dammit!) and a mouse's scroll wheel
>>83278845
Sounds very difficult to pull off well but not impossible. Good luck.
>>83274111
>>83275856
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>>83275628
just to clear stuff out. i am not original creator if this. i just added that shadows.
>>83281545
wait, so does the original creator intend it to be a deep dark jungle or not? because i really didnt expect it to be, at all. i thought it was very open and sunny and just bustling with plants down at ground level
>>83282837
I miss googly eyes Skeggi.
>>83282686
there are lianas. that means this should be damp and dark jungle.
i don't really know what kind of jungle he wanted it to be.
its superb art anyway.
>>83282861
She will live on in our hearts.
And also my sketches.and your fan art hint hint
>>83282837
i will need link to your feet....
i-i-i m-meant to say to your webcomics!
>>83282837
Looking great.
Here's a WIP of the next page!
>>83283044
Carriongirls.webcomic.ws
Not a lot of feet, I'm afraid.
>>83283148
Thanks!
>>83283167
>mann
You said you were gonna use spellcheck.
>>83283241
Nah, you see, that was intentional because his name is Jack Mann.
How's this?
>>83283643
The way the punch is being caught feels stiff but I'm not an artist so I can't articulate it in a very helpful way.
>>83283167
classic programming loophole! I dig it.
is SD's last name mann too?
>>83283643
>>83283671
it's just bad proportioning overall. but aside from where the thighs connect, the anatomy in general is pretty good, so a little more study and this should be dazzlemazing.
basically her arm is supremely longer than it should be. if you try putting your hand at the same level as your shoulder you'll find you can't move it that far out with the elbow remaining that low
>>83283643
The foreshortening on the guy's punching arm looks a little odd, and the folds on the pants/crotch area don't make a lot of sense. I like the crosshatching, though.
>>83283734
Yes.Or it would be, you see, SD is his initials, but he hates his step father so he refuses to change the D in his name to an M.
>>83283845
ahh righto
>>83283037
>tfw you want to show /hyw/ what you're working on but you also don't want to spoiler them
>>83283167
Why does she have a Wander over Yonder hat
>>83283643
That punch doesn't look like it would have hit her if she'd just stood still, and she doesn't look like she's backstepping or leaning out of the way.
Artistically, it's usually a better idea to have characters have their opposite leg forwards when punching; the twist in the torso makes it look more powerful.
Is the girl supposed to be significantly bigger than the guy? If not, your perspective is off.
>>83284309
>>83283671
>>83283790
Thanks for the critique, I'll definitely try to improve on the suggested points you all gave me
And also for the last anon's question, Yes, she is actually quite bigger than him.
Whipkick is 7 Foot 1 in stature while the woman in the picture is 3 feet over him.
>>83284153
it's supposed to be a superhero costume. I think Sora made it? She's weird. angel is weird.
>>83284153
Because she's an unorigional cunt.
>>83284447
Yeah, but angel picked the hat.
>>83284430
>Whipkick is 7 Foot 1 in stature while the woman in the picture is 3 feet over him.
So she's 10 feet tall?
In that case, you're significantly understating it in the picture. Whipkick is bending down in his knees while she's apparently standing with her legs straight (just look at her butt!). And he's punching at what appears to be shoulder height, because his punch is coming out at a ninety degree angle to his spine. Unless she's decided to fight him while standing in a four foot deep hole, that doesn't make any sense.
If they're on a level plane, he'd have to be literally grinding up against her or jumping to even be able to reach her shoulder.
When there's a big size disparity between two characters, I find it's usually a good idea to work out the action in a profile view with stick men before I draw it from a more interesting angle. It's way easier to keep track of.
>>83285412
Ah, alright. I see. Thanks for the advice!
almost done I think
>>83285412
>>83284309
>>83283803
>>83283671
Also, I don't really want to seem like I'm bothering you guys, but how would you illustrate more impact?
I really want to be able to show that there's an emphasis in the punch, like a really powerful impact that would break the ground under them.
>>83286507
I don't really like the teacher's pose in the final panel.
Her arm kind of looks like it's resting on the foreground student's head, her head is suddenly bigger, and the way she doesn't even look at what's going on with the door seems a little forced.
Having her just look at the door with a blank expression would be funnier, imo.
>>83287198
http://www.slideshare.net/bruno13marques/how-to-draw-manga-vol-23-illustrating-battles
give it a study. it's the best for this specific kind of thing.
>>83278845
>>83255591
So... if you were to take a look at this character, would you say it's a guy? Or is it a girl?
I honestly have 0 clue what gender I want it to be, if anything I'm considering making it ambiguous.
>>83287361
i never questioned it was a girl
>>83287361
Definitely a girl. No masculine features whatsoever.
>>83287198
Try making your line of action less stiff. Show the rest of the guy's body moving with his fist. right now it looks more like he's just standing and sticking out his arm rather than moving to attack.
>>83287361
I assumed it was a girl, but I could also buy the character as a young boy pretty easily.
>>83287361
Girl, 100% for me. But you could make it ambiguous or gender fluid or whatever. Some people will love that.
Adjusted the colours and added a gradient to hopefully suggest a bit more depth.
>>83288133
Shouldn't the blood trail continue from the steps to the grass to the corpse?
>>83287198
You have to practice this shit first. Practice quick gestures from photos, try to exagerate the poses a bit with this method:
https://youtu.be/74HR59yFZ7Y
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
A good site for practicing figure drawing.
Then you need to practice composition, there are some pretty good examples on how to make your panels exciting here (all of these "drawing comics the marvel way" videos are about how to make your drawings more exciting):
https://youtu.be/j594K6rqX6k?list=PL0DDE1A8DCCD9882C
and for some basic composition lessons with a goddamn great artist:
https://youtu.be/2ZBZRGPs9FM
>>83287487
>>83287271
>>83285412
>>83284309
>>83283803
>>83283671
Okay, how's this? I redid the perspective and threw in a few more things.
>>83279745
I don't actually know; but looking at the pic of the angry Spaniards better, it DOES look like they're holding it at the center rather than strapping it like one would a kite shield; that thing does not LOOK very confortable to hold compared to the Viking or Kite shield, but then again I've never held ANY shield.
>>83288894
when i was in school i'd carry my backpack like a forearm-held shield. even tightened the straps up so it fit there better
way more comfortable on the shoulders, and useful for knocking people down when they thought it was funny to block me on purpose.
>>83288517
It's definitely better but I'm not an artist so I can't say much beyond that.
Working on a page right now, how's this looking? I'm working on the top panel, but kinda paranoid.
Wondering if I should try my hand at doing a comic. I've always drawn stuff, and I think I'm decent enough to be able to study shit and improve, however I often lack purpose and/or regularity.
Got a couple ideas in my mind. Would anyone give a shit about a comic about yet to define shenanigans (either low superheroics or urban fantasy) set in Italy?
Picture's my most recent semi-finished drawing, when I was in my "I really want to render a Nihei-style character" phase a few months ago.
>>83289528
>I really want to render a Nihei-style character
I looked at the pic before reading the post and I thought "Nihei".
As for the actual webcomic, I guess you'd have to make it to see if anyone is interested in reading it. Both subjects could work.
Makin' pages
>>83288517
This is much better. You could exaggerate the man's pose a bit more, but this is still a nice improvement.
>>83289214
it all looks fine to me. unless you wanted that room to look bigger
>>83289528
there arent nearly enough comics set in italy
you just work on your proportioning and you're all set
>>83288517
The line of action still isn't very strong. Try googling a "superman punch" and using that for reference. Or something like Little Mac's forward+b in Smash, or the classic Shoryuken from Street Fighter since she's so tall.
I also think the girl could do with catching the fist with her arm extended, like a stiff arm from US football.
>>83288894
I'm afraid I can't comment on the use - only shields I've played around with are bucklers and viking/saxon style round shields. But from what I understand, a Y-shape grip isn't any more uncomfortable to hold than an ][-grip. The big difference between a shield with a boss and a shield with a flat front is that you're not holding in the exact center of the shield's balance - but if the shield's front is curved/domed rather than completely flat, the balance is behind the shield, rather than inside of it, and you don't need a boss to make a protective dome over the cutout for your hand.
>>83289214
The curve where her thigh meets her crotch on our left seems a bit too convex, especially since it leaves no space between the leotard(?) and her sock.
Maybe have the bug piles be more scattered.
The ellipses in the first bubble could be replaced with just a period (or no punctuation at all) and it would read better.
Or maybe "oh that's so funny".
>>83256563
Brother???
dammit, i still have no ideas
well i'd better start drawing it anyway or it won't be done tomorrow
http://bug-quest.tumblr.com/post/145061724625/
kerblam
I think i've got this under control, and i've got some more free time so updates should be smoother
>>83292865
>no moth hips
what a waste
What the best script writing program?
I used to use Celtx, but I just checked to download it and now they have this weird online-only version and to get most of the features of the old program, you have to get a subscription.
So what are most people using today that isn't online only?
Apparently Adobe Story is online only now, as well.
>>83293653
i use notepad
>>83293653
IIRC the downloadable version of Celtx is still on their site but it's hard to find. You have to poke around.
boimps
Cover for me and my friend's comic.
>TFW pile of about 10 drawings that are fully-drawn except for hands
>>83296686
cuddly.. that robot is unusually well drawn for something with such a cartoony design.
Art for page 2 is mostly done.
Well, I finished this page!
Covering Ellen's face in warm sticky goo!
>>83297281
Thanks. It's a comedy so I wanted it to have a friendly-ish appeal.
>>83282837
That's a lewd foot, anon.
made very little progress on my comic today.. oh well! bump
Not completely done just yet, but this is what I've got so far of my next 'Pigskin & Porkrind' strip.
>>83303447
Of course. As soon as I post this, I realize that I put those door hinges on the wrong side.
>>83303447
bit hard to read at this size, mate. just saying.
weird ending since theyre still acting that way as they do it, that makes it creepier by far. also interesting seeing a comic this done having sketchbits still on it, do you finish each panel completely before moving on? or was that just a last-minute addition
>>83303535
if any comic's world is going to have that though it'd be this one. also while we're nitpicking, the dumpster is too tall for them to be looking down into it like in the preceding panels
Im still sketching the first pages of my comic, i want to make sure the pacing is just right , not too slow nor fast, i wanna make the first chapter in a way so one day it can be used to make a cartoon pilot
anyways i remade the cover because the last one was more of a clored sketch and i also added a place holder logo
also what titele sounds more catchy
>heartbeat beetle
or just
>heart beetle
i liked the first one a bit more for the "beat" repetition but it is kinda like having 3 words, so the second one might be easier to remember and is also kind of a wordplay
>>83303618
You're right about the readability. I'll work to fix that tomorrow. As for the sketch of the two of them walking, that was a last minute addition.
>>83303912
'Heart Beetle' sounds better to me.
>>83303912
I like the second title better. It makes the wordplay more subtle.
Just finished the rough draft of my first page ever. Feels good man.
>>83305317
Know that feel bro
>>83288133
yeah its getting there. that gradient helps a shit ton.
>>83305317
Post it.
>>83300070
Thanks!
...How do you quantify the inherent lewdness of feet?
Like, I get that some feet might be considered sexier than others, depending on proportions and not having things like visible veins, wrinkles, crooked toes etc, but "lewd"?
It's not like the foot is being presented in a sexual or fetishized context. She's just walking.
>>83308210
I think it's just shitposting, guy.
>>83308234
Yeah but it's more interesting when you take it seriously.
>>83308252
How seriously are you going to take it when people start drawing lewd Skeggold X Skalmold?
>>83308648
Not so seriously that I'm going to make it canon, but I'd still appreciate the effort.
I mean, I didn't design them for sex appeal (like, I intentionally gave them a few physical traits each that I find super unappealing but that I thought fit their character and world), but I'm not gonna tell people they're enjoying the story wrong just because they don't see it the way I do.
I'll probably put it in a separate section from clean fanart once I start putting fanart on the site, though.
>>83308938
>not making /co/ crackships of your characters canon
>>83309444
Man, "the two main characters are more than just friends/colleagues" is like the laziest shipping ever.
A crack ship would be more like Skeggöld and the Piglet from chapter 1, or Skalmöld and Sarah from West Tree (both wearing safety goggles).
>>83309645
>Skalmöld and Sarah from West Tree (both wearing safety goggles)
Someone draw this ASAP.
>>83309799
Have a doodle.
>>83310832
>noses touching
l-lewd
More wip 1/3
>>83311012
2/3
>>83311030
3/3
Here is where I am planning on earning my age restriction rating on the comic.
>>83311012
>that perspective quality on the far-right girl in the last panel
Might want to re-do that.
>>83311055
I really hope you're not going to awkwardly shift into edgy ultraviolence. That shit is the worst.
>>83311055
>censoring some mutant boobs when you already left in that vagina imagery in panel 2
Make up your mind lad.
>>83311108
Can you red-line it?
>>83311030
>recite
"Recited"
If you're looking for synonyms, you could use "cast" or "invoked"
>>83311055
"has just started"
I think "is just starting" might be a better way to phrase it.
Monster looks neat.
>>83311122
Hmm, I don't planing on having the girl totally unscathed every time, but they are not going to get gored, if that's what you mean. Although the monsters are going to get it. So more like one-punch man rather than "Trash".
>>83311131
I wasn't trying to censor it. I just want to have a layer "peels off" and revealing multiple eye-balls.
>>83311146
Hey, I'll get right on it, thanks for helping out every time.
>>83311136
I mean, it should be more like this.
>>83311597
also, I meant to say "and that quality on the far right girl", referring to her face.
>>83311597
Oh, you mean on the far left.
>>83310832
I love it and ship it forever.
>tfw your comic gets single digit views on update day
>tfwthose views are all from you
>>83311698
How tall is Sarah supposed to be, anyway
>>83311620
...oh. I see. The correction will probably be done digitally, Its probably a good thing I didn't shade the whole thing yet, its going to be a bit tricky.
>>83311733
between 6'8 to 7 feet, she's the tallest member.
>>83303912
Obviously Heartbeatle
>>83310883
>not one nose plunged deep into the nostril of the other causing immense pain
well done
>>83311597
now that you point it out, the original was kinda fish-eye wasn't it
>>83311962
Guess I underdid it a bit if she's that tall. Skalmöld's only like 5'3".
Eh, maybe she's wearing high heels in that picture.
>>83312648
immense pleasure*
>>83312760
>the first comic carrion girls guy draws fanart of is dewd's
why live
>>83312800
No it isn't. There's Green Knight, Izyvillainguy's thing, that guy with the Lucky Lotus character's previous project, Kiwi Day N, Ardras, etc.
Would you like me to draw something, Anon?
I could use a break.
>>83312800
he did me a fantastic one
>>83312938
Could you draw Miss Melee?
>>83313095
>Superheroes
erk.
Let me give it a shot.
Getting somewhere. May finish easier than expected this week.
>>83313191
superheroes and ancient mythology go hand in hand!
>>83313206
your ink lines!! so crisp and swirly
>>83313206
I like Mimi is so happy and bubbly after defeating an evil tentacle monster, acting as if nothing happened.
>>83313335
Thanks! This brush pen I have is pretty nice to work with. I messed up some things but I'll fix it digitally.
>>83313394
Mimi is normal. Nothing happened.
>>83313588
Well obviously nothing happened, look at panels 1 and 2! Nothing in them!
>>83308210
It's hard to but in words. But it's a really well-drawn foot and you obviously put a lot of time and effort in it. It's not a club with round, bulbous toes. The heel is shaped well, and the way the toes are curved around the foot is realistic. The shapes of the toes themselves are realistic and cute! The big toenails are cute too!
The angle is very lewd. You get to see her soles and the underside of her big toe.
It's a prettier foot than 99% of the ones you see in actual fetish art. The coloring on the mud gives it a shiny, almost candy-like sheen. It almost looks like a panel from a giantess "smushing" doujin, if you imagine the rocks/mud-splats as islands. I would definitely let her smash my face to smithereens with her cute smelly lewd feet!
>>83313206
So....what pen and what paper to you use?
>>83314163
Strathmore bristol board and pic related. No idea what pic related is called though.
>>83314045
based degenerate
>>83314045
most fetish shit seems intentionally gross
then again based on your commenting i'm not surprised, that's a very specific mindset that it's impossible to get into if you aren't one of them
so it's kinda like moe, you can't do it intentionally or it sucks
>>83313095
Welp. Sorry it's super unpolished, but it took me a while to come up with anything and I can't spend too long on it. Maybe I can get back to it later.
>>83313335
Yeah but when people wear skin-tight latex I can't use the clothes to disguise my terrible grasp of anatomy.
>>83314045
>The angle is very lewd. You get to see her soles and the underside of her big toe.
...How's that lewd, exactly? Just because it's something you don't see much?
>>83315105
>terrible anatomy
aside from the low attachment-point of the raised leg's thigh, this looks great to me.
and there's no understanding fetishes. it's like, why is sideboob hot? why underboob? they just are.
>>83254083
DAMN IT! I should be done last three days ago.
What do you guys think of the page?
>>83315105
Nice! Thanks!
>>83315141
Pretty sure boobs in a sexual context is easier to understand than feet.
>>83315141
Side boob and underboob are hit because its hiding the main event (the nipple). Some people find covering just a little (like a person being naked but having the crotch censored by a little something) to be hot.
>>83315789
hot*
dammit.
