Charles Roven, the veteran producer who has worked on every DC Comics movie at Warner Bros. since 2005’s Batman Begins, is no longer producing certain DC movies, sources tell The Hollywood Reporter.
Talks are underway to have Roven — who was a producer on Zack Snyder's Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, as well as the recently completed Suicide Squad and next year's Wonder Woman — segue to a different role going forward, likely that of an executive producer who is not involved in day-to-day production. However, he potentially could continue to be a producer on some sequels to the movies he's currently producing.
The extent of Roven's involvement, and which titles he would work on, is "evolving," according to multiple sources, who also stress that no final decisions have been made.
"Roven is a key member of not only the DC slate but of the Warner Bros. family," says a studio spokesman.
The move comes as Warner Bros. continues to scrutinize its DC movies in the wake of BvS’s so-so performance at the box office and chilly reception from audiences. The movie, released March 25, wrapped its run with $871 million worldwide with a production budget of at least $300 million. While Warners insists the movie will be profitable, it was meant to kick off the studio’s DC cinematic universe with a billion-dollar bang, but instead was met with an unenthusiastic response from fans for being too dark and unheroic.
In stark contrast, Marvel Studios, well into its cinematic universe with 13 movies, has seen outsized success for its similarly themed Captain America: Civil War, which pits its heroes against each other. Civil War has earned raves from fans and critics and has grossed more than $1 billion in about three weeks.
Warners, which leverages its DC IP across multiple channels, among them publishing and video games, now is taking steps to course-correct its approach as it develops its superhero slate. It recently shuffled its executive ranks to have executive vp Jon Berg and Geoff Johns, DC's chief content officer, co-run the newly created DC Films. It also is seeking to hire a more established director on The Flash (2018) after parting ways with screenwriter Seth Grahame-Smith, who initially was attached to make his directorial debut with the project.
Roven, an experienced producer whose career dates back to the 1980s, has a producer credit on the three Batman movies directed by Christopher Nolan and 2013’s Man of Steel. He also is a producer on Suicide Squad, which Warners hopes will re-energize its DC movies when it opens in August, and Wonder Woman, which will be released in June 2017.
Roven has established himself as a savvy player who knows how to manage the armies it takes to make modern, big-budget, visual effects-heavy tentpoles. But he was part of the unofficial brain trust with Snyder on the DC movies, an approach Warners seems to be rethinking in the wake of BvS's less than stellar performance.
One reason for the shift in thinking is that Warners wants to ramp up the number of DC productions, and sources say it would be physically impossible for one man to handle pre-, post- and production on multiple movies in countries and cities ranging from Australia to Los Angeles to Louisiana to London.
Roven was slated to be a producer on Flash and Aquaman, two DC films that have yet to go into production and could end up shooting on opposite ends of the planet. Sources tell THR he will no longer serve in that capacity on those films.
Roven remains on set for Justice League: Part 1, currently shooting in London, although Warners now has sent Berg to also oversee the day-to-day production of that movie.
>>83118436
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/batman-v-superman-fallout-producer-897071
>Warners relying on Suicide Squad to get everyone back on DC
what are they gonna do it if it flops?
The heads keep on rolling.
>>83118508
Frankly, the resulting possibilities are so bad no one is even considering it, not even /co/.
>>83118508
Release the other DCEU movies they've already started filming and find some way to spin it.
The wait and see policy took too long, so now they've committed to just dumping an avalanche of garbage into theaters before they can figure out no one wants it
>>83118508
>what are they gonna do it if it flops?
>>83118584
>Frankly, the resulting possibilities are so bad no one is even considering it, not even /co/.
This. I am EXPECTING it to be good, because if it isn't then DC films is screwed.
>>83118508
Fire our based Cereal King
>>83118508
CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS film
>>83118470
Well, they just need to hold the line until flash. any betting man would think that's the point where Barry does a paradox wherein he changes the dceu into an optimistic world
>>83118436
why does this read like a eulogy?
>>83119436
to me its clearly damage control.
Try and ramp up productions of DC movies to get a cinematic universe established quickly and hope it gets peoples attention and make money
>>83121019
>Genius
None of this couldn't possibly be planned. They didn't expect this reaction from the audience. Now they're trying to course correct the DCEU. As they should...
>>83118584
Oh, they're considering it.
>>83118508
Start making different movies.
They're a studio. If necessary they'll pull an MGM, go into chapter 11 for a couple of years and come out with new management and less stupid ideas.
If not, they'll pull another MGM. Like MGM keep doing.
>>83118668
If he wasn't way out of his depth I'd pity him. He's in so deep he can't possibly not know it.
>>83119436
>>83118436
I'm not expecting Flash or Aquaman to even shoot.
>One reason for the shift in thinking is that Warners wants to ramp up the number of DC productions, and sources say it would be physically impossible for one man to handle pre-, post- and production on multiple movies in countries and cities ranging from Australia to Los Angeles to Louisiana to London.
Confirmed retards not reading article. Despite the spin this is the opposite of a 'fallout' from BvS.
>>83122658
That's why most movies have multiple producers, dink.
>>83121414
*Critics
General audience reaction was positive, critic reaction was not, and the critics reaction is what costed them money, not the general audience reaction.
I really hope Suicide Squad does well because it just looks sofun.
>>83122658
I was gonna let you off with that but hang on, hang on... are you saying, under oath, Mr Anonymous, that Warner Brothers, a large Hollywood studio with over nine decades of experience making movies, would mistakenly assign a single vital producer to multiple movies that would shoot at the same time on opposite sides of the planet?
Because that is just staggeringly incompetent if it's true.
>>83118384
Oh god, imagine if Suicide Squad did underperform. This website would implode.
Okay but have you gotten rid of Snyder yet?
No? Well then I don't give a shit
>>83118584
The possibilities are only good: the end of the DCEU.
It's irredeemably corrupted. Burn it to the ground.
>>83122879
>>General audience reaction was positive,
I'd heavily contest this
MARTHAAAAA is a dank meme on the internet right now and definitely not for the right reasons
>>83122879
That makes no sense. Audiences are the ones who buy the tickets.
Audiences didn't buy tickets because they didn't like it either. Saying general audience reaction was positive is delusional, the kind of delusion that got WB in this mess in the first place by ignoring all the glaring warning signs coming off of Man of Steel.
Reminder that there is no way WB is happy with these numbers, especially investors.
>>83123095
We would cheer. DC hasn't even fired Snyder yet. It hasn't lear
>>83123302
I don't think Deadpool beating it domestic helped either
>In stark contrast, Marvel Studios,
>stark
>>83118508
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrQcNwsjVEQ&feature=youtu.be
>>83123302
And the only reason BvS pulled in even that was because DC moved it away from CW's opening weekend into a release dead zone, hid it from critics until the last minute, hyped pre-sales to the max, and simultaneously opened everywhere. DC knew it had a bomb and did an admirable job of salvaging it as much as it could.
I feel that at this point warne are going to fire/relocate everyone bar Zack the hack and still wonder why their movies are critically panned.
>>83123548
Man could you imagine if they 'didn't' simultaneously open it everywhere? Like they had it release like a regular movie? Oh god, it would have been terrible
>>83123688
"Well we've got Affleck producing, Johns higher up and fired most of our other staff. What could possibly be missing here?"
[Snyder collecting skulls in the background]
"What could be missing?"
>>83123688
I think it would slowly remove Snyder's control on the movie. Anyways he already said he could be his last comics movie
>>83118384
>>83118436
>zack snyder still attached
>>83123428
MEME
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>>83118384
Sounds like they're doing what Disney did and are cleaning house. Snyder might be axed if any of the pre-JL movies do good and WB takes one of those directors and attaches them to it.
>>83118508
make more animated movies
At this point I think the only thing can save the DCCU if Suicide Squad fails is introducing a twist that this cinematic universe was never intended to emulate the normal DC superheroes universe, but rather be a live-action interpretation of the Justice Lords/InJustice universe, where most of the world is under the totalitarian control of despotic Superhumans. (Which would also help contextualize Batman's murderspree and Clark's stupidity in the past two movies)
>>83124324
They need to Flashpoint/CIIE this shit like immediately. If they get to JL Part 2, it's the only way to save it
Man, I cant help but get depressed after the BvS debacle, and I dread to think what will happen if SS flops. If WB turns it all around from here, can we just pretend both MoS and Bvs were just one long mess of a movie?
>>83124164
The legal/PR mess to detach him at this point pretty much ensures his involvement for the time being.
>>83124371
No, because I loved MoS.
>>83124354
>>83124324
In a perfect world we could have used the Crime Syndicate in a fun way instead of a bailout. Even hire previous actors to fill the doppelganger roles
>Power Ring Reynolds
>Owlman Bale
>Ultraman Routh
>>83124371
MoS wasn't that bad, even though I had problems with it.
>>83124463
>>83124577
Ok that did sound kind of harsh, but I was referring more to it being a rocky start to this entire Universe
>>83118508
It CAN'T flop. The scrutiny and worry would compound exponentially.
I can't even imagine the reaction if it flops.
>>83124164
And he'll be attached forever because they were idiots and basically handed everything over to his production company. God knows how the Snyders managed to pull that off, but they're fucking geniuses
>>83124354
I just realized that a name change and a throwaway shot of a Gotham City Casino could have made Snyder's Batman make so much more goddamn sense.
The Batman of BvS could have been Thomas Wayne. Thomas Wayne gave very few shits about his violent ways of vigilantism. Thomas Wayne loved guns.
Plus, a lot of the edginess in Earth-2 meshes better with MoS/BvS.
>>83124324
You really think the non-comic book audience would accept that? You'd basically be playing the "it was all a dream card"
>>83124757
SS isn't going to "flop", I mean I don't think it really can financially flop, but if it fucks itself over critically while losing/not even getting to another Marvel film, heads are gonna roll
I'm not even going to pretend the WW movie will help. That's shit's dead on arrival, not because of the content but because they had the genius idea to open it against Transformers 5
>>83118508
>what are they gonna do it if it flops?
At this point I don't think anything could stop the gravy train. What are they going to do, halt production on the three movies in production right now?
>>83125434
>>At this point I don't think anything could stop the gravy train.
I remember hearing this regarding Sony and the ASM franchise
>>83125434
Stopping is the only thing worse. It's just movie math.
It's more profitable to release a cadre of disappointing movies that make back some money, than spending all that money on production and hiring, than going full stop and making nothing back.
>>83125036
>transformers 5
Thanks China.
>>83125036
Worst part is that Ayer said that Sucide Squad had a budget bigger than 250 million.
That movie is more expensive than BvS.
>they had the genius idea to open it against Transformers 5
Even worse.
Wonder Woman is sandwiched between Transformers 5, which comes out a week later, and Pirates of the Caribbean 5, which comes out a week earlier.
>>83124838
I wonder how it feels to know that you suck so bad that you're destroying a company, and there's no way you can get fired.
>>83125036
WB moved Wonder Woman. Its now going against Captain Underpants and Bad Boys 3. I still don't think its going to do well.
>>83125744
>Bad Boys 3.
That's not helping either
>>83125727
JUST
>>83125727
>>83125727
Snyder doesn't think he is destroying anything
He just thinks no one gets his vision
>>83125781
God I hate this
>>83123302
>A 50 million dollar R rated comedy beat both universes for profitability
The universe is funny.
>Pirates of the Caribbean 5
>Transformers 5
>>83125781
So many properties that I love controlled by a guy that I just don't like. Ain't fair bros.
>>83124164
I thought he was only attached up through JL: Part One?
>>83125968
>transformers is one of the most universally reviled franchises of the modern era
>it still rakes in hundreds of millions of dollars
I do not understand.
>>83126231
people like watching a train wreck especially if the train transforms into a giant robot
>>83126231
Kids like them, Chinks like them. What's not to understand?
>>83126221
No he's doing part 2
And a producer for all the other DCEU movies
He's really their notFeige at this point
>>83126231
Only the internet hates them, general audiences loves them
You should learn that internet reactions aren't representative of the general public
>>83125968
same here batman
>>83126231
Most of that money comes from China and Malaysia.
>>83126347
I thought he was off of Part 2? Shit.
>>83126436
Even without China Transformers would still make 800+ millions
So not sure why China gets so much blame for the success of this franchise
>>83122925
Having worked at Warner Brothers, I gotta say that the amount of incompetence present on the Burbank lot is staggering, from top to bottom.
Guess that's what happens when you let accountants run a movie studio. Fucking accountants aren't even human fucking beings, more like some sub-human meat-robot automaton that worships numbers.
But yeah, don't discount the power of utter stupidity.
>>83126504
Most have said that his future depends on JL1 but I don't know if there is anybody that would want to clean up his mess.
>>83126537
>Fucking accountants aren't even human fucking beings, more like some sub-human meat-robot automaton that worships numbers.
Anon, it's okay, you can say jews
>>83126592
Let us hope. I just want them to at least try to salvage this.
I am so upset as a DC fan that it's not even funny. At least Rebirth is looking good.
>>83118508
They'll have to keep going, even if it does shit. Wonder Woman and Justice League are too far into production to just call it quits, they can't stop just now. My best guess is that they'll do SS, WW, JL1, Flash, Aquaman, JL2 and then they'll shove another Batman trilogy down our throats because Batman is Batman, with the other more successful movies will get there own sequels sprinkled in around Batman.
Honestly, the whole DCEU dissolving into a Batman cinematic universe doesn't seem that unlikely to me. TDK and TDKR made a billion each, Batman doesn't need the rest of the DC characters to be successful. If anything, the WB execs probably think that's the reason BvS underperformed.
>>83125814
It did because there was a vaccuum of similar things, so it sold extremely well, because it was actually good.
The thing that tickles me, is that if you look at profitability, without being a massive hit, Ant-Man still profited more than BvS. That one is the one that makes me smile.
>>83126690
I'm hoping for a rebooted cinematic universe at some point that actually does the DCU right.
I want to live in the universe where none of these movies except for solo Batfleck exists.
>>83126537
Speaking as an accountant, I'd like to say fuck you but I know you're going to get screwed on your mortgage because of that attitude problem you have, so instead I'll say this: I'm sorry you're such a weak-minded simpleton, anon.
As someone who got all of his comic knowledge from 90s cartoon shows, I only have one question: what the hell is the suicide squad and why would I go see their movie after BvS was so horrible?
>>83126853
Suicide Squad looks alright though
>>83126894
rouges gallery gets turned into a government sanctioned plausible deniability black ops squad
>>83126958
So it's like the Dirty Dozen without a war to make any kind of rational sense out of the program?
Those are some mighty big boots to fill.
>>83126894
>why would I go see their movie after BvS was so horrible
Imagine being an advertising executive handed this shit to deal with. Admen get a lot of shit but honestly, if they can keep something like this from becoming all-out failure, they're doing their job.
>>83127042
>So it's like the Dirty Dozen without a war to make any kind of rational sense out of the program?
They protect American interests.
Should've fired Snyder immediately after BvS, contract be damned.
>>83127141
Except WB stock would tank for doing such a move. Their collective balls are in a vice on this one. Though I would kill to hear boardroom rage
>>83127190
Look up the stockholders meeting from a few weeks ago. They basically made the films division a footnote on the entire meeting
>>83127141
I bet they were on the brink of doing that, but they couldn't. BvS would have done even worse if they announced that they fired the movie's director immediately after it had released. Even worse, IIRC JL began filming 2 weeks after BvS released, there's no way they could fire him and find a willing replacement in time. They'd have to cancel everything they'd been preparing for and they'd lose a shit ton more money.
I bet everyone at Warners is silently hoping Snyder learns from the backlash and tones back a bit for Justice League
because GOD they cant fire him but no one wants him there either
>>83127418
If Snyder didn't learn after the backlash of Watchmen, OR the backlash of Sucker Punch, OR the backlash of MoS, he's not learning this time around
>>83127418
It seems more like they're putting people in place to leash him in if anything, with Johns and Berg appointed head of DC's film division and Affleck being made executive producer on Justice League while directing his own movie. He hasn't been fired yet because they can't risk it, but they're not gonna let him fuck it up in the meantime.
>>83127418
>I bet everyone at Warners is silently hoping Snyder learns from the backlash
That's the fucking problem though: He never fucking learns. >>83127467 said it perfectly and out of all of his movies the one that wasn't polarizing was Dawn of the Dead and 300 (Kind of.).
>>83127613
Which is funny in and of itself since Dawn of the Dead was just a remake and 300 was just a bunch of dudes killing each other.
>>83118384
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYcqToQzzGY
>>83124190
This is how I read it, but here on /co/ it's Damage Control when WB does it & not Marvel, who's been in a pissing contest with each other for years.
>>83127896
what are you talking about? they said it was damage control when Joss blunder lead to the mess it did
>>83125968
Can't wait for the Time Gem to be introduced into the MCU so Disney can start linking up other franchises with Avengers.
It sounds silly but I'd be willing to put good money on some exec somewhere at Disney arguing about how they need to fit Jack Sparrow into Infinity War somehow.
>>83118384
I don't even know what producer they could get who could be their Feige.
Producers are like the most unknown quantity in Hollywood, especially because everybody and his mother gets a "producer" credit and you never know who's in charge of the film. But a lot of movies, especially big blockbusters, are often made by producers more than anybody.
I'm exhausted.
>>83127815
300 was a remake of a comics also.
The only movie that came straight out of his mind was Sucker Punch. And it was mediocrity at its purest. All of his other movies are adaptations. Literally.
>>83131675
>Sucker Punch
>mediocre
That's an insult to other mediocre films
>>83127815
DotD also had Gunn writing the script too.
>>83118384
Atleast they are fixing things early one when they have only releaed 2 movies. It makes sense to hire different people to oversee this stuff.
As a DC fanboi who loved MOS all I can say is BvS not only ruined my hype for anything warner brothers touches, but it crushed my love for superhero movies in general. I'm at the point now where I'm just going to wait for the reviews. That piece of shit movie killed my love not just for the franchise but the entire genre.
>>83125036
The last transformers heavily underperformed in the USA. I doubt Transformers will reverse it's downward slide domestically . It's not that threatening.
>>83124408
>Edgar Wright was pushed off Ant-Man
>Can't get rid of the director of Sucker Punch
Bull. Shit.
>>83124324
>JL movie
>Red Trunks Supes
>Blue and gray Batman
>Swimsuit Wonder woman
>Hall of justice
>Portal opens
>Trench coat Batman comes out
>"I need your help. There's a crisis."
>>83124463
I wish that MoS didn't blow the "Clark kills a man and it brings him to tears" load. That could have been way more dramatic if we spent more time with him beforehand.
>>83131101
I remember feeling that way about the Star Wars Prequels. Give it 10 years and you'll get a good movie.I mean Rogue One not TFA
>>83125727
He probably just thinks "those plebes don't understand my visionary approach!"
>ded Robin confirmed as Jason
Batfleck solo has 90% chance of being either Death in the Family or Under the Red Hood
The only real way to salvage this is have the "real" Flash somehow teleports himself in Snyder's universe so it somehow makes his world Earth-2 or something. And with that show the Earth-1 heroes as they should be. Audience will cry foul but there will at least be people to show off that DC loves their multiverse.
>>83122511
>mfw they're canceled
>>83124498
I like this idea. If only it can justify the price.
>>83132270
Jesus freaking Christ how the fuck can you possibly love MOS (as I do) and hate BVS that much, this is fucking preposterous.
>>83126819
>amateur filmmaker
>have connections to WB
>developing a DCCU with a friend
gonna have a Trinity movie as the 4th movie in the universe save this post
>>83118384
>Zack Snyder is still in charge
Yeah, nice damage control.
But this isn't good. We need producers on the DCEU that aren't literally married to Snyder. Even if you like the guy's movies you have to recognize that's a huge obvious conflict of interests.
>>83123302
I think the part that gets to me most is:
>View All 3 Weekends
>View All 8 Weekends
In 3 weekends, Civil War outperformed Batman v Superman's 8.
Also I can't help but notice that Civil War achieved this despite releasing in slightly fewer theaters.
>>83122879
>General audience reaction was positive
It was worse than that of even the most negatively received MCU movie.
>>83127896
Dude, how short is your memory?
When Marvel booted Whedon we all celebrated, but we also all admitted that was damage control.
>>83126231
I will go see INCREDIBLY terrible movies if they have giant robots beating the shit out of each other. So will lots of other people.
I kind of hoped that Pacific Rim would lead to a glorious new era of giant robot movies, but that didn't happen. Fucking Adam Sandler.
>>83122879
>General audience reaction was positive,
What is your metric for this?
>>83123225
This. As long as Snyder is still attached it's gonna be shit.
>>83126231
Haven't you heard the song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7PjQnw_E0U
Everybody digs giant robots.
>>83134248
/tv/
>>83134308
That is not a good metric for anything.
Except maybe which 14 year old girls have the best feet.
>>83134324
/tv/ is the best metric. Do they like something? Then it's a steaming piece of shit. Do they think something is a steaming piece of shit? Then it's bound to be really good
>>83125781
>a handful of months ago, /co/ was actually defending this
>>83134520
>1.jpg
Everytime.
>>83123302
BvS might have not broken the billion dollar mark but it's still one of the highest grossing movies of the year and will remain so.
>>83135257
That really doesn't matter if the movie isn't profitable enough.
>>83118508
They are going to keep going. Big companies like this don't stop. They just keep throwing shit out. Look at how many awful FF and spiderman movies have gotten made.
>>83135257
You do know the movie barely broke even right? DC spent a shit load of money on it, and they've made next to nothing from it
>>83126819
Reboot a universe they just "booted"?
test
>>83123302
IT JUST KEEPS HAPPENING
>>83135372
Both of those franchises rebooted after one failed movie.
>FF2 to Fant4stic
>Spider-Man 3 to Amazing Spider-Man (and now Homecoming)
Fuck, even X-Men rebooted after Origins: Wolverine.
>>83134111
>conflict of interest
seems lots of people are confused.
Deborah Snyder isn't some WB producer giving jobs to her husband.
She is runs the Cruel and Unusual Film studio along with Zack. Zack makes movies with his wife, that's it. There's no bullshit nepotism or whatever. It's just like Chris Nolan and Emma Thomas, they both work together on all their films.
>>83135646
Yeah, but it didn't reboot after amazing spiderman or after FF1.
>>83135670
Because as shit as those movies were, they still made a fucking killing at the box office
>>83135660
So she doesn't fund it at all and has no creative input whatsoever?
>>83124925
>I just realized that a name change and a throwaway shot of a Gotham City Casino could have made Snyder's Batman make so much more goddamn sense.
Sure, if you're so dense that you completely can't understand Batman's character arc in the movie and have to construct a shaky, autistic head canon to appease your ADD brain.
>>83125800
Like Uwe Boll.
>>83135373
That just means they need to be smarter about the budget instead of pouring money on it and expecting to get triple their money back.
>>83127467
I myself realised that Batman v Superman was going to suck after seeing that he clearly hasn't and never will learn from his many, many mistakes.
>>83135755
>movie studios
>being smart with money
How fucking young are you? Cause that's the most naive thing I've ever read
>>83135723
>Sure, if you're so dense that you completely can't understand Batman's character arc
The problem with declaring this as Batman's character arc is that Snyder can and likely will reverse it in JL because he thinks the over the top manslaughter violence is cool. Kind of like how after Man of Steel you guys all insisted that we didn't understand Clark's character arc and he'd be a happier and more social person in the sequel only for Snyder to double down on it and you guys to recant and tell us to wait for the NEXT next movie.
>>83135908
>The problem with declaring this as Batman's character arc is that Snyder can and likely will reverse it in JL because he thinks the over the top manslaughter violence is cool.
Why are people so autistic about manslaughter when it has happened in nearly ever goddamn Batman movie so far, especially overtly in the most beloved ones?
>>83135981
The Dark Knight had over manslaughter?
>>83135981
People did take issue with it in Batman Begins, for the same reason that people take issue with it in BvS: the narrative calls attention to it.
Begins goes "Batman doesn't kill" and then has Batman kill via inaction or put guys in traction, so there's an in-congruence there. With Snyder, there is a very specific plot point that Batman is ridiculously violent and over the top "now" because of various events (not that we never really see a non over the top violent Batman) and he's meant to be painted as a bad guy. But doesn't really change outside of not branding Lex after his "Redemption". He still tears through henchmen without a care in the world, but now we're not supposed to notice for some reason.
So yes, people won't care nearly as much if you're smart enough to not call attention to it. If you shine a spotlight on something, you better be expected for people to see the flaws. Or you can throw a tantrum and scream autism about it. That works too,
>>83118384
...Is it that hard to fire Zack? Instead they put a blame on others, What the fuck.
>>83127418
Perhaps WB should just let Zach make the movie he wanted to make instead of forcing him to cut down and restructure the story in editing for the theatrical cut, and not make people wait for the Ultimate Cut edition.
>>83136162
I don't think they have any idea who to replace them with.
>>83125727
This is like some Silicon Valley Big Head shit.
>>83127896
>>83134190
There's a difference to consider in terms of Joss and Snyder. Yes, Joss was attached to the two big, so far, cross over movies of Marvel, the first of which defined the current comic movie climate. And him getting the boot was definite damage control on Marvel's end with Avongers 2 (not that Joss seemed too sad to go).
But Joss wasn't the guy attached in some way to every single MCU movie so far and going forward. It'd be like if Feige managed to make a major ass of himself and somehow also had Marvel by the balls and was a major movie maker, not the head idea and director wrangler. There's really nothing comparable to Snyder in the MCU. Wright and Joss ended up not being able to deal with Marvel, but Marvel has seemed to otherwise been able to cultivate some kind of compromise between corporate and directors in its other movies, especially phase two with the Russos and Gunn.
DC's damage control is consequently a lot of severe because of the difference in directors and major figures.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/4kwlq8/batman_v_superman_fallout_producer_charles_roven/
i know, but the denial is too glorious to not laugh at
>>83118384
hey i said 700m so this was a great performance.The only here to blame is warner. leave snyder alone co, he did great.
>>83136400
Sideline Roven is fucking insane, he's a good producer. It's very clear that Zack is the one and only problem of BvS yet they try their very best to protect the guy and shit on others, I honestly don't get it.
>>83135981
I remember before this movie was released there was talks about this being the most comic accurate Batman to date so going against that code again, it's gonna rustle some feathers.
I want Nolan back
>>83137327
>he doesn't Back Zack
Go back to your /tv/ threads, Marvel drone
>>83137520
>supporting Zack the Hack
>>83137403
>so going against that code again, it's gonna rustle some feathers.
I don't understand why that would be a problem when it's specifically made as a plot point that he's fallen from grace and even Alfred's going "Master Bruce, you're going into the deep end"
>>83137657
That still doesn't make him any more comic accurate.
>>83118384
Damn this is wrong in the 1st sentence. He didn't work on Superman Returns or GL.
Kind of impressed.
>>83135755
I'd say being smarter with marketing would be better, considering they made the fatal mistake most movie trailers make by spoiling what would be shown in the movie (e.g. Spoiling the Doomsday fight at the end)
>>83138730
Would say having Doomsday was the first mistake. But hey at least they hid Lex from us so bravo there.
>>83123302
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>>83139152
How fucked will this board be if Skwad flops? I mean honestly. BvS has already resulted in a notable peak in hyper delusional apologists and /tv/ sycophants. Though much fewer in number than the MOS apologists their determination and cult-like dedication to the abject and unconditional hatred of the MCU is just chilling.
We've already seen "compartmentalizing" behavior and defense mechanisms displayed with shitposters no longer identifying so much as DC fans but rather people who just hate the MCU and will like anything else simply out of spite (even the Fox-Men). The MCU is now the ultimate evil, the true villain of mediocrity and everything wrong with everything!
The only saving grace is that we've long since burnt out the bulk of the consolewar /v/ shiposters who jumped on board the DC bandwagon after the Dark Knight and Arkham Assylum came out, but now we have /tv/ shitposters to contend with. Drawn to /co/ by Snyder's ham-fisted symbolism, aped intellectualism, needlessly gritty/grimderp and superficial "maturity" (the perfect recipe for appealing to sub-average millennials who think they're intelligent and sophisticated) the /tv/ ilk bring with them their kinography rhetoric where by no measure, be it empirical, circumstantial or anecdotal, can the truth of their opinion be disputed.
>>83139774
Pretty fucked, I'd imagine. I would not be surprised if Wonder Woman went into reshoots to make it a bit more stand alone, if SS fails.
>>83139774
I'm worried what 1.jpgAnon is gonna go through. Someone needs to hook him up with a suicide hotline
>>83139774
what's up with this attitude they have
>>83139774
I don't think this board can handle A SECOND FRESH REVIEW pt. 2 DC Boogaloo
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>>83125766
Will Smith wins either way.
>>83132551
Thank Zod for the spoiler. But Rogue One is just Battlefront the movie, ho hum
>>83118384
the budget according to google was 250 mil but they spent another 200 mil on advertising. 450 mil cost total
>>83140205
250-300 mil production budget, 150-200 mill odd marketing budget. They split about half of the total box office with the theaters themselves. Do the math
>>83140205
did they really need to advertise it that much its called batman vs superman. wonder woman's in it and then there was that whole doomsday thing seems like they screwed up there
>>83135505
suddenly laughing Evans doesn't mean shit when he's going to end up gay soon.
>>83140260
>did they really need to advertise it that much
Considering MoS' performance and reception? Yeah
>>83140341
aren't cap and Bucky pretty much gay for each other
>>83140341
>>83132551
>Can't get rid of the director of Sucker Punch
it's not just getting rid of snyder, it's having to get rid of his wife and their production company too. edgar wright wasn't that deeply tied in to ant-man.
it's why i'm interested in seeing how squad turns out, the snyder's are only executive producers on it and their company isn't involved.
>>83139774
The only problem I see is the exploded amount of infantile shitposting where fucking Rotten Tomatoes score are now worshiped as if the word of God and you can't have any good conversation without the thread turning into pure console wars. X-men Apocalypse in particular shows how goddamn out of control it has become, people are already trying to make it out like it's flopped and bombed when it hasn't even opened in the US or China and the first weekend did 100 million in foreign box office.
>>83127864
Is Jungle Book going to pass it?
I'm seeing commercials for other Disney stuff ramping up too, Alice, Dory, We're quite a bit away from Strange, wonder how that will do. Disney kind of packed the holiday season with that, Moana and Star Wars, might sort of be competing with itself though I suppose people don't mind spending more for the holidays.
>>83139774
>shitposters no longer identifying so much as DC fans but rather people who just hate the MCU and will like anything else simply out of spite (even the Fox-Men).
You know the level of Disney shilling has become absurd when now all the X-men movies are suddenly trash.
>>83140472
They were always only liked because comic book movies were few to begin with
>>83136680
https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/4kxcq2/why_does_clark_use_martha_because_the_intention/
Holy shit this whole sub is a den of autism even by reddit standards.
