We've all heard the expression "on the rocks" before. Are they really better than ice? The water in my area is unsafe to drink/make ice with and I'm thinking of buying some actual rocks as an alternative. I'd like to know your thoughts and experiences regarding them and how they are supposed to work.
>>7865660
Just use bottled or filtered water to make your ice. Personally i would not use rocks when their composition is completely unknown. Shit could be shipped out of china and laden with lead or someshit.
They're dumb as a brick.
>>7865670
Wouldn't you just go and look for rocks from a reputable brand then?
>>7865676
if you look at these on amazon and what not they're all made from soapstone which contains talc. talcum powder recently was linked to some forms of cancer.
also reviews for these are pretty bad. they don't stay cold very long
>>7865660
When you use ice to cool your beverage, the energy of your warming drink goes toward melting the ice. If you use rocks, it'll just go toward warming the rocks, which will warm at about the same rate as your drink.
If you can't use ice cubes, try the little ice-cube-sized ice packs.
>>7865682
I'm pretty sure whiskey is linked to cancer too, retard.
>>7865660
I have some. Bourbons benefit from a little water, it opens them up, a large ice cube does that nicely. If you like it neat, they work OK for cooling the drink, but I'd argue you're ruining your bourbon without a little branch water in it. More of a novelty item really. Presuming you have a freezer (you must, since they do need to be frozen), make cubes from bottled water. Your money is better spent that way IMHO
>>7865694
Talcum powder was very very tentatively linked to some cancers of the vagoo when used in topically in that area very often for a long period of time. It's not going to be a concern for OP.
>>7865694
See
https://www.amazon.com/Icy-Cools-Reusable-Ice-Cubes/dp/B0000CFPNN/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1468170035&sr=8-4
Literal rocks will do very little to cool your drink.
>>7865660
whiskey stones are useless. go buy some filtered water and buy a jumbo-ice tray to get big blocks of ice
>>7865682
God, I really hope this is fucking bait.
>>7865694
you have to freeze them in the fridge first, no?
>>7865715
ITT: People with no grasp of thermodynamics
>>7865697
>>7865713
I should add: they're only good for about 5 min. and a single drink. You're going to need a lot of rocks. Since you have limited space/resources buy this: http://theclassickitchen.net/products/ice-ball-maker?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=googlepla&variant=3812234116 One ball is good for multiple drinks.
why not to put your bottle in the fridge?
>>7865660
D20 whiskey stone for +5 glass of geekieness
>>7865754
underatted post
>>7865757
But anyone with any vaguely geeky tendencies would understand why such things are comparitively useless, no?
use ice spheres, they chill better and melt slower because of their shape for some reason
>>7865788
has to do with shape of ice crystals and surface tension of water that forms on a melting ice
>>7865757
>>7865770
I'm not a game geek but they actually look nice. You'll have to explain to me why they are comparitively useless.
>>7865788
I bought some ice sphere makers for my mother and know spheres work well but I'm not interested using ice in my drinks at all. I have room in my freezer for ice but I don't have room where I'm living now to buy/store water for making ice in addition to the water I already drink.
>>7865808
same reason cube shaped ones are useless. they last 5 minutes and then turn luke warm
>>7865816
Oh, you mean because of the shape. I thought there was some sort of gaming reason you and anon were discussing. My bad.
>the """"""flavour""""" of the alcohol meme
alcohol tastes like shit
just down it as fast as you can you pretentious fucks
>>7865740
explain then o Master of Science...
>>7865829
Bad is a flavor though.
>>7865835
....i'll concede to that, actually
>>7865832
Ice cubes cool your drink by drawing in energy used for the phase change as they melt. The melting is an integral part of their function.
Rock does not melt. The only energy it can draw in is the energy to normalize its temperature with your drink. This is practically nothing as compared to the energy required to melt an icecube, and consequently has nowhere near the impact on your drink's temperature as ice does.
>>7865829
I love drinking wine and beer. I also love to watch dumb assholes sip 40% alcohol trying to keep a straight face and comment on how "good" it is.
>>7865851
Thanks ! ( but I googled the answer just before....)
but other people in the thread will be helped too
>>7865856
>dumb assholes sip 40% alcohol trying to keep a straight face
How's high school treating you?
>>7865869
how has lying to yourself -- continuing even into your mid-twenties -- worked out for you?
>>7865880
>everyone else is just pretending to like it
Don't worry, you'll get older and start thinking grownup things are natural.
>>7865880
> t. wine cooler aficionado
>>7865880
>everyone else is as averse to it as me
You realize that the inability to recognize differing opinions and tastes in other people is a strong indicator of autism, right?
>>7865895
OP here; not sure if that sterotype is true. I'm an actual high-functioning autistic and ( having been in classes with people much much much less functional than I, etc. ) can tell you a lot of us "aussies/spergs" are capable of understanding people like different things. I think that guy is just a faggot.
>>7865856
>>7865880
Some of us can drink something 40% neat and not make a face. Others of us do hiss ( I do both depending on what I'm drinking ) and even when I have to let loose a his that does not mean I'm disliking the flavor.
Think of it like sucking on a sourball type candy. Your face puckers naturally but you still enjoy the sour and sweet.
>>7865788
I need to explain this but if the spheres are not carved the globes will have air bubbles in them and once they melt a few millimeters your drink will come in to contact with these and the melting rate will increase. same for ice cubes easy fix is to buy those longish shapes that freeze slowly with some insulation on the part of the ice you actually use. perfect crystal clear ice that will last longer and will make you look like a pro. or you can just deal with the fact that anything other than a skill, time and proper tools is what you need for a small improvement on your drinking experience. also quit being an autistic sperg if you are not willing to go full out retard and carve your own spheres of slowly frozen clear ice made with distilled water.
>>7865856
I bet you are one of those people who can't imagine why someone would like spicy food, let alone sour or bitter flavors. keep enjoying your coke and skittles for lunch.
Buying rocks to put in booze? You're having a fucking laugh aren't you? My mate tried to convince me he needs a silicone block to put in his whiskey for the same reason. Here's what I do.
Pour some fucking rum instead you ponces, and lashings of ginger ale.
>>7865660
Why not just put the bottle in the fridge?
Pretentious cunts.
>>7865958
>dumb fucks doing dumb shit, i'll set you all straight
>drink a completely different liquor than the one you wanted and dilute it with sugar water
Wow, great advice. If only every tried that I'm sure they'd all realize that you have the best taste in the world, and anything else is just silly.
>>7865660
I, personally, have never seen any point to the whiskey stones except for the sake of aesthetics. Certain liquors, like scotch, actually have a more pronounced taste with a little water added, so a real ice cube is actually a better choice overall, but it's all a matter of the drinker's choice.
Bourbon? No ice. Scotch? JUST ICE MY SHIT UP SENPAI.
Do none of you own refrigerators? Do you all debate putting ice in your beer too?
>>7866057
I frost my mugs, but that's only if I have visitors. Otherwise it's a fucking waste of time that only serves the purpose of trying to impress people.
>mfw I serve my guests Milly Lite and Bud-Sleazy in frosted mugs and they feel honored
>>7866049
Obvious troll is obvious: scotch is served neat, bourbon with ice/branch water. Kys.
>>7865799
what >>7865801
said
>has to do with shape of ice crystals
Just wanted to say while this can be issue, you won't actually ever encounter it outside of a lab or extreme areas of the Earth because you would need equipment in order to modify the atmospheric pressure of the water you were freezing.
>>7865757
If they actually had numbers it would be better because u can use them
>>7865660
Make ice with your shit tap water put it in a plastic bag and drop the bag in the drink. Boom. No contamination.
Or if your worried about looking like a redneck/ getting cancer from plastic chemicals you could get a bowl fill it with your heavy metal infused ice and set your glass of whatever inside the bowl. Or you could put the bottle in the fridge. Or any mix of the three.
>>7866061
I frost my mugs if it's a really cold day and I want my beer cold for as long as possible, mostly if it's a lager, if it's a darker beer I don't mind it getting warm.
>>7865660
>water in my area is unsafe to drink
where do you live
>>7866198
India.
>>7866145
>frosting your mugs to drink cold beer on a cold day
>>7866198
USA
>>7865682
well, rocks do have terrible heat capacity
water has the highest among easily available materials
plastic ones that can be filled with water com every close to real ice cubes without watering down but will probably be frowned upon because not cool enough. I think i saw some filled with a phase-change wax instead of water, those can stay cool for even longer
>>7866057
>Do you all debate putting ice in your beer too?
While doing yardwork I'm often seen with cheap-ass beer (PBR, Bud, Yeungling, Rock) in a big glass filled with ice.
And yes, at times it has caused a few debates.
Works well though when in the hot sun.
>>7865788
Wouldn't circlear rocks work as well?
>>7866279
no, circular rocks wouldn't work as well.
>>7865660
>>7866057
You'd put whiskey in the fridge.
>>7865788
A sphere minimizes surface area for a given volume. The lower the surface area the lower the heat transfer thus the long it takes to melt. It also cools your drink slower for the same reason.
>>7865856
as you grow up, the stuff begins to either lose its harsh flavor or simply taste good
grow up a little, you'll see
I genuinely can't understand the purpose of putting rocks in your booze. Did someone just hear "on the rocks" and take it literally?
>>7866420
To chill your drink without watering it down. Is it really that hard to wrap your mind around?
>>7866089
Literally scotch makers drink it with a splash of water
>>7865851
basically it takes a ton more energy to change phase (here, solid ice to liquid water) than it does to just change the temperature of a single phase. = tons more of the whiskey's heat energy going toward melting ice, thus keeping it colder than a lesser amount of heat energy going to warm a rock (which stays the same phase, solid).
if i remember right.
>>7865956
only literal tryhard failure faggots ever try eating spicy or bitter thing's
>>7866542
no they fucking don't fucking retarded gaymerican
>>7866579
t. American manchild
>>7866595
aww, eurobabby is mad his garbage food isn't worth eating for people with real taste
Why would you want to cool a whisky?
>>7866593
Get your head out of your arse, you uneducated fuck.
You're as dumb as a brick and nationality has nothing to do with it.
>>7866616
>implying i'm a eurofag
>>7866672
oh so u're even less relavent lololol
>>7866622
Cooling it brings out the hints of meme and caramel
>>7865660
>We've all heard the expression "on the rocks" before. Are they really better than ice?
Not sure if troll, but "on the rocks" refers to ice cubes, not memestones. These actually have an awful rate of heat transfer, and so they won't cool a beverage nearly as well as ice. Additionally, with whiskey and the like, a bit of ice melt is typically desired as watering the whiskey down slowly opens up the flavors, allowing them to "breathe" and develop more deeply on the palate.
>>7866767
>watering the whiskey down slowly opens up the flavors, allowing them to "breathe" and develop more deeply on the palate
Why not just spit in it?
>>7866680
He probably lives in the real world, unlike your average sheltered eurofag or americuck. So I will trust his word over your airconditioned typos.
>>7866806
4/10
>>7866593
http://www.esquire.com/food-drink/drinks/a14244/scotch-drinking-tips-053012/
>>7866806
if you don't mind drinking spit, go ahead, although spit is more viscous so probs won't have the same effect.
>>7866924
who read's gay sight's like that lol
>>7866937
>sight
Maybe literate people?
>People saying he should buy bottled water instead of just getting something like a Brita pitcher.
>>7866987
He should get an education, a job, and move out of the 3rd world.
>>7866987
If your water isn't safe to drink, there is no way in fuck a brita pitcher will make it safe.
>>7866995
Yeah man he should drink his whiskey through a Life Straw
>>7865856
Maybe your are just friends with dumb assholes? Or what is more likely is that your probably judge dumb assholes from a distance, pretending to yourself that they are your friends, whilst at the same time hating them for not "getting you".
Sounds like you need a hug anon, tough day at school?
>>7866993
>Someone that definitely did not pay for their education
>>7866263
This guy has a point.
Granite has a heat capacity of 790 J/kg C, whereas water has one of 4182.
> If that above isn't clear, it means that 1 gram of water chilled to a certain temperature will chill your whiskey very much more than one gram of granite at the same temperature, and this even disregarding heat of fusion.
>>7867050
People who grew up with money obviously have it easier, but succeeding or not is 90% about intelligence and also not not being lazy. Unless you spent years taking care of a sick mother or something, everything else is an excuse.
This thread is dildos
>>7865851
>>7866578
To put this in perspective, it only takes 25% more energy to heat water from 0℃ to 100℃ than it does to just melt ice at 0℃.
>>7867209
To be fair, granite is also more dense than water. But it still leaves its volumetric heat capacity well short of water. Your drink will be more rock than alcohol. The only normal substance that approaches water's volumetric heat capacity is cold carbon steel.
nothing personnel, kid
>>7865697
Pro tip: The benefit from a little water meme doesn't work with ice.
the tl;dr version is that when certain chemicals in the whiskey interact with water they accelerate and heat up and as a result releases more flavor. With ice it cools down and cancels the effect. You need room temperature for the water to open them up.
>>7867665
Placebo
Why would I want my whiskey to be cold? I'm not some limp-wristed pussy who can't deal with the full flavor.
>>7865829
Some people literally do have a different response to the taste of liquor in their receptors. Also, fuck me if Tequila isn't the greatest shit. It is the only liquor I'm capable of sipping and enjoying, and is the crown jewel of Mexican culture imo.
>>7865757
mmm tastes like cancer
you have to be crazy or retarded to drink with that in your glass
>>7867594
>The only normal substance that approaches water's volumetric heat capacity is cold carbon steel.
why not made the "rocks" from steel then? more efficient?
>>7867758
Rust
>>7867758
They would be more expensive to manufacture. (meme barware needs to have a high profit margin)
They would be more likely to damage your glassware.
just use ice
>>7867758
Because it's metal, it transfers heat easier than stone...
>>7865851
Enjoy your watery drink
>>7865696
so much this
how the government requires cigarettes to have warning labels but alcohol to be sold without them shows how powerful big booze is
>wasting money on rocks so you can cool your drink without watering it down
>instead of just sticking it in the fucking fridge
anyone who does this deserves any ridicule they receive and probably more
>>7868081
booze is only harmful when you binge drink, but cigarettes are always harmful
>>7868465
>booze is only harmful when you binge drink
not really
http://www.bookeranddax.com/cube/
this is the most loltastic thing cause hundreds of people have doubtless bought it because they think it's gonna chill their drink.
lol if you want cold whisky just keep it in the freezer and stop wasting water.
>>7868467
your liver can deal with a reasonable amount, just so long as you dont neck an entire bottle
>>7867758
>Why don't you serve people glasses with metal in them?
>>7868475
>big ice cubes can cost a dollar or more
>water in any form
>ever being a monetary factor
What the christ, water is so cheap it's nearly free, and ice costs as much as the tray you're freezing it in.
No man should ever trust a liar.
Why does OP need cold whisky?
>>7868546
wow that sounds like science
the current limits are like 2 units a day and there are many people saying they should be lower on health grounds
>>7865660
holy sheet now I've seen everything. First they sell you overpriced bottle water, and now Rocks?
Can't wait for supa-cool rejuventaing dirt, only $20 for 1oz, order now... wait...
>>7868946
>now Rocks?
>now
These have been around for decades, broski.
>>7866263
Soap stone is a much more luxurious material than plastic though. Best of both world would be soapstone exterior filled with some sort phase change fluid. For instance a brine stabilized to have an eutectic point ~-10C like they use in ice cream makers.
Granite is silly, you don't want anything harder than the glass.
>>7865660
Why don't you just filter your water?
>>7865829
>being a pleb
The fact that you have the palette of a twelve year old boy who only wants nuggers and chocolate milk does not make you right.
>>7869041
>low conductivity (stays cold longer)
That would also mean it doesn't cool your drink very much.
Most important thing is the specific heat, not thermal conductivity. specific heat determines how much "cold" the stones can store.
>>7865895
Believing that most non alcoholics who drink hard liquor have to still consciously suppress their physical response, yet pretend it's effortless, is not the inability to recognize differing opinions and tastes.
It's just believing most people are slightly pretentious.
>>7868546
you're mistaken, you don't have to get hung over for alcohol to harm you, it is always neurotoxic. in addition, it puts greatly increased strain on your liver and kidneys, which is why even people who drink responsibly on a given day but drink far too often, sometimes eventually suffer from kidney/liver failure
sometimes i think half this board is just alcoholics in denial
>>7869025
>palette
>>7867758
You can buy steel ice cubes, but steel is pretty hard. So be careful dropping them in your glass. Also licking them is a really bad idea.
That said, these look pretty nice :
https://www.originalbos.com/pages/technology
Stainless steel balls with a phase change core.
>>7865856
When your balls drop and life hits you in the gut 21 times you will have no problem straight facing 40% alcohol mah boy.
>>7869084
and on the other hand you can have people who drink heavily for years not experience any ill effects, correlation =/= causation
>>7868862
im hardly going to write an essay about why a glass of wine or a beer everyday isnt harmful, its not like doctors are going to start a campaign to increase the recommended daily limit
>>7869734
>>who drink heavily for years not experience any ill effect
you seem to be confusing "ill effects" with "obvious symptoms".
>>7869734
>and on the other hand you can have people who drink heavily for years not experience any ill effects, correlation =/= causation
anon, that's why there's all sorts of research on the effects of different chemicals on the human body. you denying the toxicity of alcohol because some people drink heavily and don't die is about as legitimate as an opiate addict saying shooting up heroin isn't always bad for you because keith richards did heroin and is fine
