Monsanto is a chemical company that was started in the year 1901. They created DDT and Agent Orange. Many people aren’t even aware of their existence and that needs to change ASAP. They’re absolutely huge and own a majority of agricultural production WORLDWIDE (India currently having many legal issues with them). (See link-http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/make-monsanto-pay-for-swindling-farmers-in-india) (yes source is a blog, but she’s a doctor and you can easily google her). I’m sure many of you have heard of GMO… guess who made those? MONSANTO. They are the ones who directly poison our food and encourage the use of chemicals in/on our food.
More than just health effects, (see link by New York Times about lawsuits against them) [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/01/business/monsanto-could-benefit-from-a-chemical-safety-bill.html] this company bullies and threatens farmers into producing their GMO crops. (see free doc- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvkNda-_jdc) . It’s important to note that GMO crop are to be made on a mass production scale and require heavy and expensive machinery (in order to keep up production) that poor farmers- especially 3rd world farmers- cannot afford. Unlike normal, natural plants, GMO crops (seeds) do not come back every year and must be repurchased from Monsanto with money that farmers do not have! There was a mass suicide among farmers in India over a ten year span that started in 2005 simply because they, as poor, 3rd world farmers, could not meet Monsanto’s requirements and fell into financial ruin! The farmers that produce food don’t even have enough to eat themselves- this is so sad!
To make things worse, Monsanto has sued farmers and have won in court! Monsanto has patented (copyrighted) GMO seeds, making them illegal to use/ sell unless paid for. Many crops, such as corn, are wind pollinated and can easily contaminate a neighbouring farmer’s organic crop (via wind).
When their crop tests positive for GMO and they don’t pay Monsanto- they sue the farmers and succeed in doing so! See how they can scare farmers?!
These crops, because of how large the sale is, must be maintained with the use of chemicals. (Chemicals synthesized by Monsanto as well). As stated before, Monsanto’s use of pesticides and fungicides contain chemicals that are very harmful to us and the environment. It’s odd how a chemical can kill all the plants (weeds) around the crop but not the actual crop itself. When it rains on these crops, its causes a toxic runoff that drains into bodies of water and pollutes them! Hence why it’s only recommended to eat fish once a week, as their mercury levels are so high (and for some reason we take that as fact and we’re all okay with it!)
The only financially reasonable way we can help is to spread the word and raise awareness of this company and what’s its doing to us and our planet. As a company that only cares about revenue, when people become aware, their sales will go down! When more people find out, Monsanto will only have two choices: either change their ways or go out of business.
I’m not debating whether GMO crop is good or bad. My focus is on the health effects of pesticides on us and the environment. And also, the hardships of famers (especially 3rd world). Here are some scholarly articles that are a better source than the blog (Blog is written by a doctor though).
This is some sort of parody, right?
www.researchgate.net/publication/7302066_Aquatic_Toxicity_Due_to_Residential_Use_of_Pyrethroid_Insecticides (click on PDF, is 8 pages).
http://pub.epsilon.slu.se/3364/
http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-0-585-36973-0_1#page-1
http://www.jstor.org/stable/1311994?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
http://www.toxicsaction.org/problems-and-solutions/pesticides
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2984095/
Thanks everyone for your time reading this and perhaps together we can discuss environmentally sustainable agriculture such as polyculture (see google lol)! I appreciate everyone’s feedback, negative or positive. A quick reminder that not everyone will agree (even some farmers), so remember to be patient and respectful of everyone’s opinion… as change does not happen overnight!
>They created DDT
Which was a very effective pesticide. It's still used in places.
>Agent Orange
At the insistence of the US government.
>Blog link to a real POO IN THE LOO doctor discussing legal and farming issues
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>GMO crops (seeds) do not come back every year and must be repurchased
False. Monsanto patented the idea of sterile seeds, but they don't actually exist.
Nice try OP but most are not going to believe that some avoid
1corn
2soy
3sugar (from sugar beets)
4Papaya (from Hawaii)
5canola
6alfalfa (for hay)
7cotton
8zucchini
9yellow crooked neck squash
Because their from roundup ready crops. And every cell of the plant has the roundup (weed kiiler)
But I try.
If you want to discuss s better way, check out a book called secrets of the soil. It tells of biodynamics which is some total hippie shit, and very organic. Anyone here mess with biodynamics here?
>>7676355
how is DDT effective u mongoloid? its been banned since the 70s cuz of how toxic it is.
>>7676258
>It’s important to note that GMO crop are to be made on a mass production scale and require heavy and expensive machinery (in order to keep up production) that poor farmers- especially 3rd world farmers- cannot afford
So like literally every other crop in the world? Or do you think non-GMO crops are grown on 100x100 plots and picked by hand. Farming is a commercial venture; the crop doesn't change this.
>>7676530
It's effective, just not efficient.
>>7676530
Toxic is the whole fucking point of DDT. Toxic means effective in this case.
I don't care.
Anti-gmo is literally the most infuriating of all food memes. Nothing is more ignorant and counterproductive
So basically
GMO=good, patenting genes=bad?
>>7676258
>chemical food
What the fuck else would food be made out of?
Marketers who trick uneducated people into thinking science is bad are the worst
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH4bi60alZU
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/07/are_gmos_safe_yes_the_case_against_them_is_full_of_fraud_lies_and_errors.html
But GM cotton has dramatically reduced farmer suicide rates in India, your shtick is a straight up lie
>>7676587
This literally means nothing. Just because someone is a researcher does not mean they have special knowledge in every area of study or their opinion is more legitimate (e.g.: people citing racist physicians as proof/added credibility to racism).
Not to mention many people in research do not want to be seen as Luddites/kooks and would embrace GMOs or controversial technologies out of what essentially amounts to peer pressure (e.g.: climate change dogma).
Your image is basically an appeal to authority.
>>7676613
lol correlation apparently equals causation
The level of scientific thinking in India is still abysmal, people are forced to be exclusively reliant upon tradition as a result. 40%of the population is still illiterate, these sorts of propagandas to incredible damage to development in our country, especially among the farmers who are poorest. In fact NGO have to be closely scrutinized now because they often exist solely to fearmonger about nuclear or GMO to obstruct development and receive lots of funding from abroad to do so. GMO implementation may be imperfect but it is important to correctly identify the source of the problem in order to arrive at the optimal solution. So if you want to talk about GMO being destructive please avoid using propaganda news from our country, it causes many problems because as a democracy the people are responsible for electing the platform for governance, so if misinformation like this is fodder for politician fearmongering.
>>7676620
>This literally means nothing
No, it means quite a lot.
When scientifically literate people strongly support something (88% is pretty fucking strong support) you should pay attention to it. This situation is no different than with global warming, evolution and vaccines. These people simply know more than you, and as you are obviously unwilling to do the research you should trust them rather than some mommy blogger with an english degree
>>7676636
lol
>>7676642
http://www.gmwatch.org/news/latest-news/16316-errors-fraud-lies-and-william-saletan-part-2-gmo-food-safety
Fuck off, shill
>>7676636
You misunderstand
His whole point was that Bt Cotton lead to an increase in Indian farmer suicide. I am showing that that is factually untrue.
Meanwhile studies have been done suggesting a causal relationship between GM crops and reduced suicide, but that is really beside the point, I was just pointing out his claim was factually made up
>>7676648
>gmwatch
yeah, not even worth opening
>>7676653
Ignore the information that's inconvenient! Alright then.
>>7676642
>These people simply know more than you, and as you are obviously unwilling to do the research you should trust them rather than some mommy blogger with an english degree
No. Just no.
What a bioinformatician, dentist, pedagogist, astronomer, anthropologist, linguist, neuroscientist, etc. thinks about GMO crops is of no interest to me.
I am a researcher and I have an inside view of how research, researchers, and granting agencies work. Do not believe something because a group of people with irrelevant PhDs say so.
That said, there are many issues with GMOs that are only now being looked at due to recent technology advances and people thinking outside the box (i.e.: going beyond LD-50 and short-term planting trials).
I don't think it is as bad as the general public thinks, but it has to be regulated and relatively untested cultivars should not be widely planted without proper caution.
>>7676658
Yeah and evolution is fake and vaccines cause autism
>>7676587
>Safe to eat GMOs
Of course they're safe to eat. You'd have to be a screaming fucking moron to think otherwise. Who doesn't think they're safe to eat? Why do people keep raising that like some sort of false flag?
Oh wait, answered my own question didn't I?
The reason GMOs and companies like Monsanto can suck a big one are because they deliberately skew the market in favor of the company with the deepest pockets I.e. Monsanto. Farmers buy Monsanto seed and they have to buy Monsanto pesticides, and then they get sued if they try to grow anything on from the seed. They get sued if the neighbours farm produces seed from Monsanto crops and it drifts onto their land. They get sued if they even think of growing a single plant that Monsanto "owns" the genes to.
Yet apparently the above scenario is supposed to be impossible; Monsanto crops are supposed to be sterile. Good job too because we literally have no idea what might happen if these modified genes cross bread with wild species and say, became poisonous to bees, or impervious to common pesticides. It could upset the ecosystem on a massive scale.
Obviously that can't happen. Except, er, it does: because otherwise Monsanto wouldn't be suing farmers for growing their "sterile" seeds now would they?
The argument against GMO has nothing to do with health outside of the screaming loony vegan minority and everything to do with basic ethics & concern for biological stability. Pro-GMO groups really do like to confuse the issue, though.
>>7676664
False equivalence, but pretty typical for a shill.
>>7676658
Not him, but I tend to discredit sources that tell me their bias in their fucking URL
>>7676662
You do not need a PhD in Biochemistry or Genetics to understand GM crops
You just need a very basic sense of scientific literacy to see the overwhelming evidence in its favor and realize that all of the concerns against it are not even based in sound theory
>I am a researcher
No you aren't, there is no fucking way you even have a degree in a STEM field
>there are many issues with GMOs that are only now being looked at due to recent technology advances and people thinking outside the box
Such as?
> but it has to be regulated and relatively untested cultivars should not be widely planted without proper caution.
It is very strongly regulated and extreme caution is currently used
>>7676666
>Of course they're safe to eat. You'd have to be a screaming fucking moron to think otherwise. Who doesn't think they're safe to eat
apparently all but 38% of the general public thanks to the nefarious marketing efforts of the 'natural' lobby
>>7676667
Vaccines and GMOs are the exact same issues. It is the public's propensity to listen to uneducated bloggers over data. There is near zero dissent on these issues amongst people with an education
>>7676684
>38% of the general public
In American perhaps, but it's well established that Americans are scientifically illiterate.
>>7676668
Fair point, but there are numerous references to easily-found studies and documents that are completely ignored by the shill's outrageous Slate article.
>>7676620
>This literally means nothing.
>>7676658
>Ignore the information that's inconvenient!
>>7676694
In europe it is even worse though. You have actual europeans that have banned GMOs on the whims of uneducated mommies and bureaucrats
>>7676700
So perhaps try linking to some of them instead of Insta-Bait-zomgz-Breathless-Bias.com
>>7676700
The Slate article is pretty fucking spot on
>>7676691
>There is near zero dissent on these issues amongst people with an education
Not outside of the US, which is for your information not the center of the planet.
>>7676703
GMO crops are banned in Europe because of environmental, not health, concerns. I.e. the right reason to ban them.
>>7676664
>vaccines cause autism
Vaccines do however contain mercury, and US doctors recommend up to 30 vaccines before age 15, because theres no accepted upper limit on vaccines and they get kickbacks from the drug companies for using their product.
Also, noone really knows what causes autism.
>>7676711
What? Scientists across the entire globe overwhelmingly support the consumption of GM crops.
Are you seriously implying that Euro scientists for some reason decided to disregard the data and somehow come to a different conclusion than everyone else?
>>7676710
And yet among many facts he conveniently fails to mention that glyphosate which is used on 80% of GM crops was declared by the WHO's cancer agency IARC as a "probable" carcinogen. Assuming you're not being paid to peddle this shit, how is this NOT a red flag for you?
>>7676718
>GMO crops are banned in Europe because of environmental, not health
Any evidence to back this up?
Also what environmental concerns? Both reasons are equally dumbfounding and non-fact based
protip: the real reason has nothing to do with science or the environment, its simple economic protectionism banning an american product try and keep more money local. A very unsound policy economically and scientifically but its the world Europeans have created for themselves
>>7676724
>Also, noone really knows what causes autism.
That doesn't fucking mean its ok to guess that it is vaccines
But this is the exact kind of logic that leads to the anti-GMO/anti-vax/anti-gluten movement
>>7676733
Do you even fucking know what 'probable carcinogen' means? Or what implications it has for humans consuming the crops
Also are you just gonna disregard the fact that glyphosate is much healthier for people and the environment than the nasty cocktail of natural pesticides that it replaced?
>>7676750
except none of that is a real thing
>>7676740
>Everything America does is automatically great and anyone who says otherwise is just anti-American
>USA! USA! USA!
>>7676667
>typical for a shill.
Dont call people a shill. Not everyone who disagrees with you is being paid to do so. To think so is just paranoia.
There seems to be allot of paranoia in how you interpret the evidence you find. I define conspiricies as "a way of explaining the world that does not have to involve trusting it." This lack of trust of the world probably didnt start with GMO crops for you, but another mildly traumatising event.
Ultimatly you are not nesecerally wrong. But you are attaching too much significance to some things, and this is paranoia.
>>7676755
Great refutation there chief. Awesome work. You've sure convinced me.
>>7676751
>Do you even fucking know what 'probable carcinogen' means? Or what implications it has for humans consuming the crops
Do you have some sort of point here or are you going to keep asking pointless questions?
>>7676676
>You just need a very basic sense of scientific literacy to see the overwhelming evidence in its favor and realize that all of the concerns against it are not even based in sound theory
Oh really? What is your opinion on the impact of glyphosate residue on the gut microbiome? Or the impact of Bt-transgenic crops on the plant rhizosphere and microbiome?
Keep in mind NGS technology and bioinformatics advances have only really allowed us to test these populations for the last 10 years at most.
But hey, "it's common sense".
>>7676756
Pretty much this.
>>7676523
ive heard of biodynmics before. similar to organic farming right? use of manures and polycrop. crop rotation ect
>They created DDT and Agent Orange.
Jake "The Snake" Roberts invented the DDT, actually
Europe has banned GMO completely.
its weird how we've been eating bread for 15,000 years and now so many people are gluten sensitive.
weird how food allergies have increased dramatically.
weird how our food isn't even food anymore- but rather food like substances.
weird that cancer rates are so high, weird that there's no solid long term testing of gmos that all scientists agree on. they'll just have to study us, as we are the human experiment.
>>7676846
t. george carlin
>>7676846
there's pretty much only 2 reasons that cancer rates are higher now
1. people are dying less from other things and cancer is most commonly what people are dying of when they talk about dying from "natural causes" in old age
2. people eat way more meat now
>>7676823
Totally organic. But has more to do with microorganisms. A few examples.. Fill hollowed bull horns with fresh cow shit, dig a hole, stick a a stick in the middle and stack the filled horns (open end down) around the stick and bury, do this during the fall and in the spring when you dig them up you will have a mixture that resembles compost but its teaming with microorganisms.
Another is filling a stag bladder with dandelions and burying,
Fill a bull skull with yarrow root and burying.
And there's more, but the kicker is how to use it.
Use just a couple tablespoons of this stuff per three gallons of water (in a five gsllon bucket) and stir it clockwise until the vortex reaches its max and then stir counter clockwise until the vortex reaches its max. Repeat for a half an hour all the while thinking loving thoughts. So its best to tag team it. And then put that strained water in your sprayer, and spray your field with it a couple days before you turn your field.
>>7676756
It has nothing to do with America. All sorts of scientists from every part of the world have formed a consensus
>>7676768
>Oh really? What is your opinion on the impact of glyphosate residue on the gut microbiome?
Negligible
>Or the impact of Bt-transgenic crops on the plant rhizosphere and microbiome?
Much preferable to impact of the pesticides and herbicides required if you do not have GM crops
>>7676941
>Negligible
Not that anon, but putting a "probable carcinogen" in my body isn't negligible to me.
>Much preferable to impact of the pesticides and herbicides required if you do not have GM crops
And yet this doesn't seem to be an issue in Europe? Their non-GM agriculture out-yields the US' with LESS pesticide use than we have here.
>>7676954
>Not that anon, but putting a "probable carcinogen" in my body isn't negligible to me
You do it constantly
Please read up on what they mean by 'probable carcinogen' it is not nearly as menacing as it initially sounds to the uneducated
Also, even if glyphosate were a strong carcinogen, the quantities that enter your body through a diet inducing GM crops would what is called 'biologically insignificant', or 'negligible'
>>7676666
The biggest GMO company is ConAgra
Monsanto just has a patent on Round Up and Round Up resistant seeds, that's it. The reason the seeds cost money is they are an insurance for farmers, if they don't produce any crops Monsanto refunds them their money. That is why they don't save the seeds and reuse them, the process is expensive to save them on a mass scale and it is more cost effective and safer to continue buying them and have insurance if they don't produce any crops.
Article about the case in which they sued a guy and won:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012/10/18/163034053/top-five-myths-of-genetically-modified-seeds-busted
Basically if you find seeds on your farm, spray Round Up on them and they don't die, you can call up Monsanto and they will come remove the plants for free and do nothing to do you. This guy was a farmer and knew this, he knew Monsanto has the patent on Round Up resistant seeds. cont
>>7676966
He sprayed Round Up on the plants he found, kept the seeds and reused them without paying for the patent. Monsanto found out and sued him. But since the guy hadn't actually made any money from the seeds, he didn't have to pay any money to Monsanto at all. They basically went to court over it because patent laws in the US are fucking weird and if they hadn't they would have lost their patent on their seeds, and the whole system with providing farmers with insurance for their seeds would be fucked.
>>7676570
This.
So. Many. Shills.
>>7676570
>Anti-gmo is literally the most infuriating of all food memes. Nothing is more ignorant and counterproductive
America could get rid of GMOs and it would have literally no impact on food security. Adjustments would have to be made to agriculture systems but food productivity would basically remain the same.
It's funny that Americans, of all people, have been convinced they *need* GMOs. Look at how much food you throw out and the obesity rate and tell me it is critical that farmers be able to apply more Roundup haphazardly on their crops.
>>7676258
Can you explain what a GMO actually is?
>>7676530
>Chemical meant to kill pests
>It's not effective because it's toxic
kek
>>7676355
I'm pretty sure sterile seeds can occur naturally.
>>7679534
>we have zero fucking idea what will happen with that kind of thing once consumed by humans
Yes we do. We will digest it like any other food.
Just because you personally don't understand genetics and how genetic modification works doesn't mean nobody else does.
>>7680165
do you not understand long term studies?
splicing animal and plant dna is under 20 years old. we have no idea what will happen with long term consumption (50 years+)
>>7680165
This chach
In every case that Monsato has brought against farmers there was clear proof that the farmers not only illegally collected the seeds, but knowingly sold and/or plented them too.
>>7680089
GMOs don't only affect the quantity of crops.
>>7680261
>selling people seeds but not allowing them replant the offspring of said seeds
thats fucked up but was the deal, i just think thats not an okay deal
my other comlaint is that bc of monsanto large market share they are majorly responsible for the lack of diversity of north american crops, just a hundred years ago we had thousands of different foods not only about 500 native north american crops exist today
>>7680292
>selling people seeds but not allowing them replant the offspring of said seeds
No, people outside of the contract collected and sold/replanted them.
>>7680300
oh i gotchu senpai then yeah they fucked up. case closed. the monsanto is le evil big farma like the hippies say but there are legitamite concerns about species crossing(animal+plant) that we just dont have long term studies about.
also the thing about biodiversity sucks but it was most likely a mistake of profit for producing the most recognizable/highest yeilding foods
>>7680261
source or shut the fuck up
>>7680165
>Yes we do. We will digest it like any other food.
>Just because you personally don't understand genetics and how genetic modification works doesn't mean nobody else does.
Only someone with a superficial understand of genetics and genetic modification would think we have elucidated these fields.
People thought glyposate was harmless because the shikimic acid pathway is not a component of the mammalian metabolism. A recent paper showed that glyphosate residue on crops selectively inhibited "good" gut microflora over "bad" (i.e.: pathogeneic) bacteria. This is a pretty big deal with huge implications yet it was of course not considered when people tested glyphosate toxicity (e.g.: LD-50 in mice or cell lines). We are only beginning to understand the importance of the microflora in human health.
This is something that, until recently, people had not considered for some reason. Without recent NGS technology, the quantification/qualification of the microbiota was severely biased and hindered by the methods at hand.
The widespread use of Roundup Ready crops equates to more gylphosate residue in the food supply. Without even considering HGT, hybridization, and other ecological issues, this is an unrealized issue that stems entirely from agri practices evolving from almost exclusive use of RR GMOs.
GMOs aren't evil but for people to say they are entirely safe is along the same vein of ignorance as the other extremists.
>>7680314
>the monsanto is le evil big farma like the hippies say but there are legitamite concerns about species crossing(animal+plant) that we just dont have long term studies about.
Shut the fuck up retard.
Just because you're an idiot doesn't mean everyone else is.
>>7680333
You can't prove a negative.
>>7680340
monsanto isnt*
animal and plant gene combos are new we have not had long term studies and allowing them into the wild is an unknown of what will happen
also see about other types of gmo>>7680338
its a great idea and research should be done but i would like to see identification on food products that would inform the public rather then have dumb assess think its all bad and act like its poison bc its not labled which can seem "suspicious"
>>7676523
Sorry, I only mess with biomemetics.
>>7676889
>humanity has been eating mass quantities of meat for its entire existence
>"more meat now" is killing us
>>7680349
>ts a great idea and research should be done
Unfortunately, who is going to fund it? Federal government? Private sector? There really isn't much incentive, especially with the, "hurrrrr only morons and hippies think GMOs are bad science rules durrr" mentality.
People should never be dogmatic about science, and this includes both ends of the spectrum.
>>7680522
I agree with you both sides have dumb parts. i think it has to be the private sector to do the research and varias firms to as well, anytime the feds do it its way over budget, and usually shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnGiKr90zu8
>>7680421
it doesn't matter how much meat you eat when everybody dies at 30 years old from the common cold anyway
>>7680543
Why would the private sector put money into serious long-term research that could blow their product that they spend a shit load of money/time on off the market?
I've read lots of Monsanto-funded papers saying glyphosate does not increase crop pathogens. Then I've seen papers that said glyphosate increased diseases in invasive plants that we want to get rid off and how great that is. Well, which is it?
I'm not saying it is a conspiracy, it's just human nature and the business world. You aren't going to pay millions of dollars to elaborately shoot yourself in the foot.
It would be best if there were decent federal grants that promoted this research by academics.
>>7678358
T-they don't agree with me! Shill! Y-you corporate shill! Stop using facts!
>>7680755
your completely right but i meant to private firms that ARENT funded by the creators of the project, im sure there are those that are interested and able to conduct such a study, but it would be very difficult.
>It would be best if there were decent federal grants that promoted this research by academics.
it is double egded sword they can do great with help but then there are other scammy groups that do whatever they can to get teh most subsidy then do whatever they want anyway after they get the money
unfortunately there is no way to protect against this other then to stop all gov funding all together. which would force more competition in the private sector
>>7678358
>le everyone i disagree with is a shill meme
take your psychosis meds
What are some good documentaries regarding food and health?
Watching the Bananas documentary atm
>>7678358
>Everyone who disagrees with me is a shill
>GMO is a battle between good and evil into which facts do not factor
>>7680172
>Do you not understand my ability to think of types of studies which, though there isn't a theoretical risk they would assess, haven't been performed on all members of a category of crops.
>>7680349
Studies would get funded if there were plausible risks those studies would investigate. There will always be a difference between the range of situations used for safety testing and the range of situations encountered in practice. The best way to know what is and isn't safe is to concenrate efforts where we do.
Only conspiracy theorists are so convinced that the less education they have on a subject, the more likely they know better than they experts.
>>7680172
Nothing. Not a god damned thing. You aren't going to grow a third eye. Kuato isn't going to burst out of your chest cavity and take up residence.
You are going to eat the food, digest the food, and excrete the waste.
By the way, "splicing animal and plant dna" is something done in laboratories, for experimental and observational purposes. Not for food crops. Stop buying into the Frankenfood scaremongering.
Banning DDT caused millions of deaths due to Malaria and Dengue, both mosquito-borne diseases. We were winning until spotted owl lovers banned it. Now Zika is spreading too. Good job.
>>7681927
>By the way, "splicing animal and plant dna" is something done in laboratories, for experimental and observational purposes. Not for food crops. Stop buying into the Frankenfood scaremongering.
no shit go re read my posts, i said "not let it get out in the open" ive already clarified i am interested and hope for more research in in plant+plant and that more studies should be done by more firms. the animal+plant is something that should be super controlled, for instance there was a company, saying that they wanted to release altered mosquitoes into the wild to hunt and kill other disease containing mosquitoes-while thats a great idea we need some serious testing before releasing chimera animals into the wild bc who know how that effects everything long term.
another example is the ebola vaccination has animal and plant dna spliced together and was new af, there where no long term studies, and now those africans are still in the public
is this xman/spiderman? no fuck you faggot you assume im talking about that bc you want an easy straw man to argue against
are there possible unknown diseases that could affect our ecosystem/the person who takes such a medicine/food? very possible and we dont know bc the shit is so new (~20 years tops)
Renault and Peugeot made tanks back then
Hugo Boss was a nazi and Ford a piece of shit
>>7680158
yes but it was also decimating the bird populations due to its effects of thinning egg shells and biomagnification, mainly why it was banned
>>7676718
Really it's just a protectionist policy.
>>7682695
It's a bit of both.
>>7681525
Yup. Conspiracy theorists by their nature are full of insecurities. Pretending the know something about a field they don't gives them this false sense of power.
I am surrounded by these vegan people. What is a good response arguments when they claim that Mosanto products give people cancer?
Thank you in advance, 4chan people.
>>7682453
Incorrect.
>tfw your parents are caving into the "cancer is a new disease caused by diet" meme.
Hippies blown the fuck out by science
http://nas-sites.org/ge-crops/
I like Monsanto, and see nothing wrong with GMOs.
Soon we might be able to genetically modify T Cells to attack Cancer, and the entire argument about genetic modification will be Irrelevant.
>>7684130
>and the entire argument about genetic modification will be Irrelevant.
The fact that there still is an argument about GMOs, evolution, vaccines and global warming suggests that a certain subsection of people whether they are hippies or religious fanatics will always disregard fact in favor of straight up falsehoods
>>7684153
>and global warming
>a few times for a couple minutes there is a gust of hot air in the artic
>NO MORE FOSSIL FUELS KYS SAVE THE PLANET
al gore got btfo completely and his models are wrong.
the IPCC redacted their own study bc they didnt like the results
then they alter their models bc reality doesnt fit with their hypothesis
fossil fuel use and potable water availability are positively correlated so why do you hate brown people so much that you want to keep them poor and malnourished?
>>7684166
I'm not saying you should agree with any politician's take on what we should do about it. But you cannot fucking deny it is a real thing
I am somewhat of a nihilist, I think its too late to do anything and we will just have to deal with it
>>7684130
I don't see anything wrong with consuming GMOs
I don't like monsanto purely because of how it conducts itself as a business, but I think that's an issue with US Patent law in general.
>>7684189
While US patent law is pretty bad in many, I think anger people have toward companies patenting GM crops is entirely misguided. Companies have to be able to profit on things they spend a lot of fucking money researching (especially expensive considering how overregulated the industry is becoming)
>>7684174
>I am somewhat of a nihilist, I think its too late to do anything and we will just have to deal with it
there is literally nothing happening that isnt reversible other than species' dying off which is due to expansion of civilized zones not from pollution.
the truth that fossil fuels provide the cheapest cleanest and most available and resourceful energy/textiles/manufacturing source and nothing can replace it. without oil the medical industry couldnt be what it is. all the plastic and medicine is based on petroleum products
is climate change real? yes but the climate has always been changing, al gores models all got proven wrong last year
and the IPCC and NOAA was caught on their own internal emails to withhold results from their own satellite data that destroyed the man made climate change meme
climate change is can mean anything-it rains too much climate change
it rains too little climate change- all the solutions those who think man made climate change is permanently fucking us is the same. totalitarian government
in the uk and germony were they both forced "green energy" on their countries now have people dying bc they cont afford the cost to heat their homes bc of the taxes levied on coal
for instance solyra's hundreds of millions that obama gave too it did nothing! the company tanked and lost all our tax money
and that solar tower in utah proceeds like such a pos that they are forced to burn natural gas and they still dont produce the minimum required to hold up their end of the deal
i am 100% for more effecient energy and technology but government control isnt required for that
>>7684211
All I am saying is that humans have changed the climate, and it is silly to deny it. I am entirely uninterested in debating anything about what policy we should take towards it
>chemical food
I want hippies to die
I always look for the 'certified non gmo' logo when I shop for groceries, and I make sure to NOT buy that shit.
suck my dick Ill eat gmo food all I want, it doesnt hurt me
>>7684222
>All I am saying is that humans have changed the climate
who else is the environment for other then humans?
its not irreversible and it isnt that far reaching, humans are not messing up the planet.
carbon is a necessary gas the very people who claim to be "on the case" are the very same people who have been caught conspirying to manipulate data and withold information from an official report bc the realtime satelite data proved their models wrong
the climate has always changed and we will be fine in that regard
>>7684259
>74edgy148me
>>7684275
>who else is the environment for other then humans?
Dude, I am not trying to make any judgement on what we should or shouldn't do
All I am saying is people who deny that humans have changed the climate are objectively incorrect, on par with the people who think GMOs and Vaccines are bad or that Evolution is made up and the earth is only a few thousand years old
>>7684211
>climate change meme
If you can't talk about research without using the word, "meme" you are a fucking illiterate dork.
>>7676666
>they get sued if they try to grow anything on from the seed
Farmers have to take very seriously which seed they purchase every year. They consider every aspect down to the weather they're expecting in the planting year. They need hybrids which have very specific and consistent high yields. I don't know if you know what happens when you save and replant hybrids, but you're going to get a fucked up crop, and farmers are not interested in losing a percentage of their crop to the genetic roulette. Organic farmers are fine with this because they can sell a shit crop as "heirloom" and mark it up 4x it's market value, but conventional farmers Do Not Save Seeds.
>>7684287
>>7684285
>not knowing how corrupt climate change proponents are
http://energyindepth.org/national/new-foiad-emails-tell-a-very-different-story-about-how-ny-ags-rico-campaign-started-off/
they are going after people for free speech just bc they want the IPCC to release the information they refuse to release
their models have to be altered in order to make sense with their predictions
the ipcc and noaa claim that the realtime satelite data from all over the world is inaccurate and their computer models are more real despite not reflecting realtime data
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/05/13/breaking-cei-defeats-rico-20-ringleader-shukla-in-foia-lawsuit-emails-to-be-made-public/
>>7680089
Well if you like a ton of herbicides by all means get rid of GMOs.
Glyphosphate (roundup), something you can literally drink that has no adverse effects (done it personally, poop was a little squirty that's it), replaced the need for chemicals that could literally kill you.
Also, organic and GMO-free farmers currently use these class of chemicals on their fields.
Source- I'm an agriculturalist that does work in the sugar beet industry and have seen first hand the elimination of chemical products that used to be incredibly poisonous and hazardous to the environment
>>7684301
Thank you. I swear to god people just think you get the same results from seed generation to seed generation.
Monsanto also has a right to patent their genetics that they literally spent billions on developing
>>7684558
>Glyphosphate (roundup), something you can literally drink that has no adverse effects (done it personally, poop was a little squirty that's it),
>Glyphosate inhibits the shikimic acid pathway.
>Bacteria, among other organisms, possess the shikimic acid pathway.
>Glyphosate creates a selection pressure for certain taxa over others.
>Your body is primarily bacteria.
Yup. LD50 with mice and mammalian cell lines don't lie and tell the whole story. People like you are just literate enough to be easily fooled with partial truths.
>>7684590
>>Your body is primarily bacteria.
This is wildly inaccurate
>>7684590
LD50 of ..."10,000 mg/kg for mice, rabbits mg/kg, and goats"
Source: National Library of Medicine (1992). Hazardous Substances Databank. TOXNET, Medlars Management Section, Bethesda, MD.
and
Forest Service (1984). Pesticide Background Statements, Vol. I Herbicides. United States Dept. of Agriculture, Agriculture Handbook No. 633.
Sounds uber toxic. BUT YOU'RE SO SMART
>>7684601
Nope, it's common knowledge.
>>7684590
Also, see- "The shikimate pathway (shikimic acid pathway) is a seven step metabolic route used by bacteria, fungi, algae, parasites and plants for the biosynthesis of aromatic amino acids (phenylalanine, tyrosine, and tryptophan). This pathway is not found in animals, hence the products of this pathway represent essential amino acids that must be obtained from the animal's diet."
Are you really this fucking dumb?
>>7684610
You clearly didn't understand my post. Maybe you should research the affect of glyphosate on the gut microbiome and then get back to me.
>>7684614
No, you are confused. There are more bacterial cells than human cells in your body, but please keep in mind that bacterial cells are a fraction of the size of eukaryotic cells, and thats not even considering the large portion of your body that is extracellular
>>7684620
Is there any evidence at all that the effects of the trace amounts of glyphosate effect your body in any harmful way?
>>7684620
Bacteria make up only a couple percent of your body
>>7680726
Shows what you know. People have been living for a long time, even long ago.
The reason the age is dragged down to mid 30's is because tards always factor in infant mortality, which really affects the statistic.
If you made it to 20 you were very likely to make it to 60.
>>7684301
This and the fact that preparing your own seeds, especially to the amount that you need to sow commercial sized fields, is one of the biggest pains in the ass a man might encounter.
>>7676740
>A very unsound policy economically and scientifically but its the world Europeans have created for themselves
because europe is strugling so hard with food shortage, right?
>>7676258
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2016/05/17/gmos-safe-academies-of-science-report-genetically-modified-food/84458872/
>A multinational super corporation would never ever produce a product with negative health effects even if it meant a larger profit margin
>No corporation has ever paid off researchers to publish studies in their benefit, or paid exorbitant amounts of money to lobby or lawyer their way out of inconvenient protest or lawsuits
>People will plug their ears and ignore a problem because the alternative is realizing they can't stop being exploited
>>7684631
>No, you are confused. There are more bacterial cells than human cells in your body, but please keep in mind that bacterial cells are a fraction of the size of eukaryotic cells, and thats not even considering the large portion of your body that is extracellular
Function isn't dependent on size, I'm not sure why you would think this.
>hurrr Aspergillus flavus doesn't matter because corn cells are much bigger
But in all seriousness, you should actually read recent papers on the function of the gut microbiome. Research is continually showing that it is much more significant to human health than previously thought. You would be doing a favor to your rather rudimentary view on the human body and microbiome.
>le big bad corpurashun meme
Good goy, buy into the propaganda
>>7686410
>corporations aren't evil
unrestricted big government is the biggest/deadliest evil on earth but the fact that big business is a moderately better alternative doesn't mean they aren't evil and won't kill you for a few dollars
i am definitely not a treehugger faggot hippy vegan by any means but i have no problem with people trying to fight big corporations just to maintain some sort of checks and balances.
they might not have fucked with your food much yet but wait until WW3 subsistence next age shit where your grand children only get various choices of soylent green to live off of while the rich eat steaks every night.
inb4
>you are crazy there is no way rationing will ever happen again
for now enjoy your cornsyrup fat and salt induced stupor from your processed foods sheep
>>7686405
>Function isn't dependent on size, I'm not sure why you would think this.
You said "your body is primarily bacteria" when in fact less than 1 Kg typically is.
>>7676355
Sterile seeds do exist. Friend of mine was working for the governemnt (in Canada) to do some seed caching on corn, just in case some shit happens they can remake a lot of older variants and start over. They had to put plastic bags on the reproductive parts of the corn because pollen from other corn cross pollinates and after a growing season the corn decides to commit suicide. The idea is good in some cases where you want to plan wheat the next year and don't want corn in your field, but it also makes shit hard if you want to grow organic because they will fuck up you crop.
Also if they do cross pollinate, they own your corn because it is your job to manage your own corn. Kind of sucks
>>7687359
>Also if they do cross pollinate, they own your corn because it is your job to manage your own corn. Kind of sucks
Has there ever been a case where a farmer has gotten in legal trouble for this without intentionally planting GM crops illegally?
>>7686461
>sheep
Why
>>7687398
if you believe anyone other than MAYBE your immediate friends, family and spouse give a fuck about you/won't take advantage of you then you are a fucking sheep living in a fantasy world
>the government cares and won't fuck me
or
>the corporations aren't bad guys and won't fuck me
are both equally fucking stupid
>>7687371
Yes
>Monsanto's history of aggressive investigations and lawsuits brought against farmers in America has been a source of concern for organic and non-GMO agricultural producers since Monsanto's first lawsuit brought against a farmer in the mid-‘90s. Since then, 144 farmers have had lawsuits filed against them by Monsanto for alleged violations of their patented seed technology.
>Monsanto has sued more than 700 additional farmers who have settled out-of-court rather than face Monsanto's belligerent, and well-financed, litigious actions.
>Many of these farmers claim to not have had the intention to grow or save seeds that contain Monsanto's patented genes. Seed contamination and pollen drift from genetically engineered crops often migrate to neighboring fields. If Monsanto's seed technology is found on a farmer's land without a contract the farmer can be found liable for patent infringement.
>>7687450
Are there any cases where a farmer was clearly doing it unintentionally. I mean there are a few where they pretend they didn't, but I can't ever recall seeing a case where that story was really plausible
>>7684558
>Glyphosphate (roundup), something you can literally drink that has no adverse effects (done it personally, poop was a little squirty that's it),
I've smoked two packs a day for 20 years with no adverse effects, therefore smoking tobacco is safe and everyone should do it daily.
http://gizmodo.com/the-real-reason-people-are-still-so-confused-about-gene-1777194860
>>7687667
Monsanto makes GMO chemicles and they dont even ad it to the igredeiants!!
>>7679534
>we have zero fucking idea what will happen with that kind of thing once consumed by humans
You have zero concept of culinary history, don't you? I suppose you think we landed in America with wild fist sized tomatoes and huge bunches of bananas.
>>7676846
It's almost as if people are living longer and we have a larger population than ever before...
>>7680771
>facts
>indian doctors and eastern medicine
Nearly as bad as anti vaxxers
>>7688100
Its almost as if you believe that has anything to do with the post you responded to instead of medicine, fast responding medical help, advanced civilized societies and instant communications.
