Why are these called sausages when they're clearly not sausages?
>>7605106
Why must you attack the system in such ways? You are not suppose to question it. Just accept it and baaa baaaaa on.
>>7605106
Sausage is a blend of ground meats and spice, you just associate the term Sausage with the casing is it packed in.
>>7605140
So a hamburger is a sausage? So is a hot dog by what you say.
>>7605145
Well of course a hot dog is a sausage, what else could they be? Admittedly they're really cheap sausages, but still.
>>7605140
It needs to be in some sort of casing to be a sausage.
>>7605151
Well that is probably why I don't consider them real sausages and that is my bad on that one. They are such shitty meat I don't tend to associate them as such. Still, some are pretty good regardless but I would take a good normal sausage of any type over a hot dog any day.
>>7605167
What if you took a good sausage, grilled it, put it in a toasted bun, and topped it with mustard? What would you call that?
>>7605173
german
>>7605176
>>7605182
I would call that lunch.
>>7605106
its a sausage patty
I think those are called hamborgurs OP I'm not sure but with some nice potato strings it will surely taste like cow turds and hay
>>7605182
reminds me that summer is almost here
>>7605106
That is fresh sausage, not cured and/or smoked sausage, which is sold loose or in patty or link form. Stop being stupid.
>>7605161
Wrong again, idiot.
>>7605278
>idiot
rude
Its a sausage patty, just like the name says.
>>7605288
>usually
>>7605292
That refers to the ground meat part.
>>7605288
Do you not know what usually means?
>>7605296
No, it doesn't.
>>7605296
>cherry picking
well fuck SJW on /ck/ let's just say it's ground pork with herb and spices formed into a patty so we don't offend the pieces of shit
>>7605106
They are either rounds cut from a sausage or breakfast sausage spiced patties, they use a spice mix similar to other breakfast sausages.
>>7605288
>Wikipedia, that open source encyclopedia that anyone can edit is a credible source.
retard.
>>7605296
Clearly this. Everyone else has no idea how the English language works
>>7607368
As opposed to anon, the uncited retard? Just how many caseless traditional sausages are there out there anyway, I can only think of two.
yet another hopelessly autistic /ck/ taxonomy quibbling thread.
it's called sausage because it's sausage meat. a filling that traditionally gets put in a sausage. people took it out of the sausage but continued to call it sausage so that other people would know it tastes like a sausage.
there you go where's my fucking nobel prize.
I'm German and if it doesn't look like a sausage, it isn't a sausage for me.
It was weird as fuck to see people using "ground sausage" in cooking. We don't have shit like that here.
>>7605106
They're patties ya dingus.
>>7607470
The west is such burgers land we need the everything in burger form
>>7607411
A "sausage patty" if you will. Autists are stupid
They arent sausages, they are sausage patties
Fuckin morons ITT, theyre even labelled as such
>>7607478
They ARE sausages, they're just not sausage links.
>>7605106
I don't know what sort of fuck head would call those sausages, but I don't want them anywhere near me.
>>7605106
Based on a thread in the past, apparently Americans are the morons who do that. They buy a big tube of minced pork, split it open, make burgers out of it and call them sausages.
They are a backwards people.
Why are these called fish sticks? They're clearly not fish, they don't even have gills.
>>7607500
The tube is already sausage you dingus, you slice off a round and cook it.
It's literally the same thing as the giant sausage tubes you yurups have.
>>7607518
Good lord.
>>7605151
>Well of course a hot dog is a sausage
>>7605278
Wrong again, idiot.
>>7605273
What in the ever loving fuck are you talking about?
Americans need to be banned from talking about sausages, they spout utter nonsense and it always ends up in a shitstorm.
>>7605296
Indeed, ignore those yanks twats.
>>7607554
lol fag
>>7607411
They don't give them away for spewing shit on a screen. You're out of luck.
The evolution of language is an ugly thing.
>>7607476
Who the fuck is Patty? What the fuck are you even talking about?
>>7607557
Yeah but I don't hold it against you.
>>7607566
"I know you are but what am I" most excellent good sir
>>7607562
It is when it isn't an evolution and just clappyfats screaming insanity.
>>7607568
Takes one to know one.
>>7607532
They're also called frankfurters and weiners, as in "sausage prepared in the style of Frankfurt and/or Vienna"
>>7607572
Hotdogs and sausages are two completely different things.
>>7607569
Setting aside the fact that Americans are using the word 100% correctly, you Brits are the retards who decided "mincemeat" should contain neither mince nor meat so you've got no right to judge.
>>7607575
wat?
>>7607575
You're retarded.
>>7607576
>you Brits
Interesting conclusion. I have noticed that everyone who disagrees with an American is an island monkey.
>>7607581
What the fuck sort of sausages are you eating that they are the same as hotdogs?
my god this thread is stupider than the one i made threed days ago when i was drunk and having dizzy spells from my hep
>>7607582
The word sausage literally just means "salted" and yet you're still throwing a hissy fit over seeing sausages not shaped like a penis, the history of mincemeat is irrelevant.
ITT: Pedantic meets ethnocentric.
>>7607588
Hot dogs, for one.
Since they're sausages.
Vienna sausages are also quite similar.
>>7607582
>American
>Any concept of history
>>7607591
Where was I throwing a hissy fit, I was saying that meanings of words change not that anybody is right or wrong.
>the history of mincemeat is irrelevant
well, fundamentally everything is irrelevant, the history is interesting though. they used to have mince meat in them, the name stuck, that's language for you.
>>7607596
well now you're just being mean
>>7607583
Well with an argument that compelling I must be wrong.
You stupid horse fucker.
>>7607588
"A hot dog (also spelled hotdog) is a cooked sausage, traditionally grilled or steamed and served in a sliced bun.[2][3][4][5] Hot dog variants include the corn dog and pigs in blankets. Typical hot dog garnishes include mustard, ketchup, onions, mayonnaise, relish, cheese, chili, olives, and sauerkraut."
...
>>7607595
Well, you're wrong but I don't know what the fuck that abomination is but that picture looks like hotdogs.
>>7607602
a graph is what this thread is lacking
What is it about sausages specifically that cause Americans to sperg out? It's really fucking weird.
>>7607605
but anon, we've already established that wikipedia is editable by everybody and so is useless junk, and you should all accept my opinion given without any references instead
>>7607591
>The word sausage literally just means "salted"
What the fuck fills Americans head up with this utter shit?
>>7607602
Well yes, if you are going to make an incorrect claim then you should at least have an infographic to support it. Give us a real chuckle at your stupidity.
>>7607631
that is literally the etymology of sausage
please don't shit the bed
>>7607634
what a word means and what its etymology is are different things
>>7607605
That doesn't answer anything. You are an American calling hotdogs sausages so posting an American written wiki entry doing the same means nothing.
All you have to do is simple explain how they are the same. Don't even fucking dare try and say they are the same purely because they have the same shape, because that would just make me lose all remaining faith I have in America.
>>7607615
I love it, sausages are like /ck/s Kryptonite. If you want to ruin a thread and you know Americans are scooting about, you just bring up sausages and watch the tards flail about.
>>7607639
>You are an American calling hotdogs sausages
What's the problem with that? Hotdogs are made of a forcemeat put into a casing. Surely that qualifies as one of the many types of sausage out there?
>>7607642
cheese is a good one, also.
>>7607642
what are biscuits again?
>>7607639
now I'm british but isn't a frankfurter/hot dog just finely processed sausage meat in a casing?
>>7607644
They are different ingredients, manufacturing processes, cooking methods, tastes, texture, look, casing and eating style.
How in the fuck are they the same to you? The only way they are even vaguely similar is the phallic shape.
>>7607656
M8 hotdogs are tubes of jelly, that has fuck all to do with a proper sausage.
>>7607639
1) I am not american, but I was a few times in USA and eat hotdogs there...
2) finelly minced meat put in a casing and boiled is a sausage
3) putting this sausage in a bun with typical garnishment like sauerkraut makes a.. hotdog!
>>7607658
Don't forget that hotdogs are even stored for sale in a completely different way to sausages.
>>7607660
oh so you're debating what's really in them not what's supposed to be in them
>>7607661
>boiled
>>7607667
The entire thing is completely different. It's like calling a pork pie a sausage because it has minced pork in it even though that would be much more similar to a sausage than a hotdog.
It's asinine.
>>7607661
Tell me, what country do you live in because I don't believe it is a country that consumes sausages.
>>7607658
>How in the fuck are they the same to you?
I didn't say they were the same. I said that they matched the definition of a sausage: a forcemeat stuffed into a casing.
Many things that we call "sausages" have very different production methods, but those are still sausages:
-hot dogs and frankfurters are made of a very finely ground meat emulsion which gives them their characteristic texture
-coarsely ground sausages like bratwurst, Lincolnshire, etc, are very common. Sometimes they are smoked, sometimes they are not.
-things like salami are fermented: the filling is treated with a bacterial culture (and often mold as well) after which point they are aged to allow them to lactoferment, which preserves the sausage and allows them to be stored at room temperature. "Summer sausage" is a similar concept.
-some sausages are made from cooked ingredients, like cajun Boudin
....there's all sorts of variations among sasuages, and hot dogs are just one of the many types; it's all forcemeat stuffed into a casing.
>>7607670
what makes it different, the way it's cooked or what goes in it or both?
>>7607670
we do have natural casing pork hot dogs in the US that are very similar to sausages and they are white not red. The ones I know about are zweigles brand out of Rochester, NY and are in the left in this photo and still called hotdog except it's a white hot and has the skin encasing it for the snap. Don't know if this helps us Americans in any way or not but they are good.
>>7607658
'sausage' is a category. both hot dogs and whatever sausage you're talking about fit into that category despite being made differently. the more you know!
>>7605145
Yes actually.
Hamburgers are from Hamburg in Germany.
Just like Frankfurters are from Frankfurt.
They're all "sausage" - a ground, formed, spiced meat.
>>7607687
Americans really need to just stop talking. It's clear they don't have a fucking clue.
>>7607675
France... we have hundreds of diffetent types sausages , and we make the difference between "saucisse" ( raw , must be cooked grilled, poached, etc) and "saucisson" (cured and dryed like salami, or cooked and smoked etc)
>>7607689
Burgers are officially sausage
Mc Donald's is a hot dog stand
>mfw yanks try to talk about sausages
>>7607717
>Lisicki
>>7607704
And hot dogs are sandwiches!
>>7607726
And hot snow falls up.
Why do Americans call Cheese & Tomato Roundbread "pizza"?
>>7607732
You just said it, it has tomato. it's a vegetable.
>>7607725
You starting shit? I'll walk over there and smash you out sunshine.
>>7605106
>they're clearly not sausages
They're ground sausage patties.
Have you never heard of ground sausage vs link sausage?
>>7607572
As a Viennese I take offense in you equating your beer hot dogs with our Frankfurters.
>>7605106
IT'S CUT FROM A SAUSAGE ROLL YOU FAGGOT IF YOU KNEW HOW TO COOK YOU WOULDNT BE A KEK THAT QUESTIONS THIS SHIT I SWEAR ON ME MUM IF YOU TAKE AWAY MY BREAKFAST ALL DAY COMBOS AT JACK IN THE BOX THERE WILL BE PROTEST MEMES FROM HERE TO YAHOO QUESTIONS / ANSWERS
>>7607470
As a German, you should be ashamed for your stupidity. You should know that just because you don't have a particular kind of food available to you, that doesn't mean it's bad. That's one of the most retarded, village-idiot fucking arguments I've ever heard. Stop being stupid.
>>7607551
So, you ARE an idiot. Okay then.
>>7607576
Ameribro here. I hate to break it to you, but mincemeat does have meat in it. Well, suet to be precise. You can buy it without the meat in it, but it's not as good.
>>7607593
It's fucking pain in the ass, it what it is. This is why I hate people.
>>7605106
Because the people who name these things in a stupid manner are also the sort too proud for revisioning afterwards when they're proven wrong and rather commit into thick-skulled battle about their right to name things in as unintuitive and awkward manner as possible so they can hold their deluded sense of pride intact.
>>7607615
I don't know if you've been even attempting to follow the past few sausage fight threads (pun intended), but it was the dumb Europoors who started it.
>>7607695
Holy fuck look at this, the French actually know what they're talking about.
You know, there's a reason why we used to be bros, France.
>>7607517
>lain
>on /ck/
gtfo
>>7607816
No because that's asinine. Why would you grind a sausage?
>>7608174
But he didn't comment on the quality of the item, merely the validity of the name and in that regard he is correct.
Say squirrel.
>>7608176
Well gee whiz Billy, that was sure some counter.
You lanky streak of piss.
>>7608188
Oh I have been a central part of them. I refuse to acknowledge this things existence and to this day have no idea of what type of sausages it is supposed to be.
>>7608185
Sounds like Americans when we get on the topic of cheese and they bring up their ripoffs that they slapped the names of the real products on like they were Chinese.
>>7609736
Well, that sounds like a personal issue to me. Seek sausage therapy.
>>7609708
>if it doesn't look like a sausage, it isn't a sausage for me.
>It was weird as fuck to see people using "ground sausage" in cooking. We don't have shit like that here.
Explain yourself. Your post doesn't even make sense.
>>7609802
My post doesn't make sense? I don't even know what you're asking of me.
>>7609720
There's no need to counter the village idiot.
>>7609807
Which Is why I didn't bother lowering myself to your level.
>>7609810
Troooooololololol
No, you sunk even lower than village idiot, and are continuing too. Just how stupid are you?
>>7609823
Grow up.
>>7609832
Did posting that make you feel all warm and fuzzy, anon? Are you jizzing on your keyboard right now from your rush of self-importance? I'd imagine your pencil dick has literally sucked back up into your body because of your own shame in being such a shit tier troll in a fucking sausage thread.
@7609859
You aren't baiting a (you) out of me.
>>7609870
Too late.
>>7607704
>Hotdog = Sausage
>Hamburger = Sausage
>Hotdog =/= Hamburger
Get it straight, faggot. They're KINDS of sausages. Hamburgers and hotdogs are 2 different KINDS of sausages.
>>7609922
>Hamburger = Sausage
is this some meta-level trolling shit?
I have a better question. Why are Europeans so autistic about the precise definition and taxonomy of foods that they are practically willing to go to war over them? If an American makes the logical deduction that a hotdog is a sausage because it shares characteristics with sausages and with no other foods, does this harm you in some way? Does a helpless little British or French girl get anally raped by a Muslim immigrant every time an American "incorrectly" classifies a food item? I'm genuinely curious where all of this rectal ravishment is coming from.
>>7608161
>sausage roll
>>7607411
Here you go. If you want to be super technical you can group them all together as forcemeat.
>>7610116
there are autistic people everywhere and trolls eager to harness that autism to further their own jingoistic campaigns
to be honest... I thought a sausage patty was just an actual sausage stuffing cut out of the casing and then cooked as a burger patty.
I'm probably wrong, but who cares.
>>7611027
Why do you call burgers "patties"?
>>7611117
>Why do you call burgers "patties"?
Because that's the word for them:
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/patty
>noun, plural patties.
>2. a thin, round piece of ground or minced food, as of meat or the like:
>a hamburger patty.
>>7611027
Sausages are defined culinarily by the way you use fat and meat to provide a more consistant interlinking network of meat, this causes it to firm up and retain moisture even when cooked.
>>7611117
as a way of distinguishing between the whole hamburger with bun and condiments and its synecdochical component, the burger patty.
>>7611130
>Sausages are defined culinarily by the way you use fat and meat to provide a more consistant interlinking network of meat,
no
anyone who thinks this is a britain vs america shitfest should google lorne sausage
>>7605106
They're called sausage patties.
>>7609703
It's the same meat without the casing, idiot.
>>7609859
Holy shit this is hot
>>7611133
I can't believe the first time I've seen an anon use the word "synecdochical" in a sentence - and correctly - is in a shitty argument thread about sausage. What a world.
I guess chorizo isn't sausage
thanks /ck/
![Chorizo1-edited[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/DoPtpOj.jpg "Chorizo1-edited[1].jpg")
>>7612406
Where does it say that?
>>7612514
The entire thread.
>>7612518
uhuh
>>7607490
no, nigger, you don't call sausage patties "sausages" you call them either "sausage" or a "piece of sausage." "Sausages" is used when they're in link form.
>>7612406
Nope. It's chorizo.
>>7611120
The meat is simply called a burger. Patty is some weird Americanism.
>>7611940
And that is simply sausage meat, not sausages. You cretinous melt.
>>7612518
I don't know what that is but it isn't chorizo.
>>7612551
How convenient.
>>7612552
Do you know what a chorizo is? f you did you wouldn't be saying this thing.
>>7612556
>Do you know what a chorizo is? f[sic] you did you wouldn't be saying this thing.
Right back at you, uncultured moron.
>>7612557
Chorizo is a PDO. Your shitty image is litterally illegal to be named chorizo, you stupid swine.
>>7608215
>>7612406
Chorizo isn't sausage, it's saucisson anyway
>>7612655
wut
How does it's categorization in French affect its categorization in English? Why, exactly, is it not a sausage?
It's not a sausage because it has no skin.
People call them sausages because people are retarded.
>>7605106
Ctrl + f
No mention of it.
Is not a sausage without its casing a faggot?
Its a sausage patty or a faggot.
>>7605296
Yea, I'm confused how people even managed to misinterpret it any other way.
>>7605167
Not all hotdogs are shitty, just as not all bologna is shitty, and less expensive does not always mean shitty. Some people simply don't like the milder mix of smoothly ground meat, which I understand, but I think the bad rap is undeserved and perpetuated by people with sticks up their asses.
>>7612406
What metric are you basing that on? It is minced meat in a casing and in a sausage shape.
>>7612810
No because faggots use organ membrane as a casing. Faggots have casings.
>>7612847
Sausage doesn't have to have a casing. Even if it did, you can buy tubed hamburger meat, which is arguably just as much sausage as chorizo in that same packaging. When you crumble sausage to cook for a dish, does it magically become not-sausage? If it only had to be in a casing at some point, if I put ground beef in a casing, took it out, formed it into a patty, grilled it, placed between a sliced bun, would it not be a hamburger?
>>7612874
>you can buy tubed hamburger meat, which is arguably just as much sausage as chorizo in that same packaging.
Mexican style chorizo didn't (and still doesn't) always come in a dog food looking plastic tube, friend.
>>7612874
>Sausage doesn't have to have a casing.
You're simply wrong there's nothing more to say about it
>>7612874
>Sausage doesn't have to have a casing
Yes it does.
>you can buy tubed hamburger meat
You mean minced beef? What does it being available in a tube in America have to do with sausages?
>which is arguably just as much sausage as chorizo in that same packaging
This sentence is faulty for several reasons.
How is minced beef anything like sausages?
How is it being in a tube in any way like chorizo?
What does chorizo have to do with beef?
What does raw minced beef have to do with a cured pork sausage?
>When you crumble sausage
How the fuck do you crumble sausages? Over cook them to high hell and then break them into pieces?
>if I put minced beef in a casing, took it out, formed it into a burger, barbecued it, placed between a sliced bun, would it not be a hamburger?
*Edited for correct English*
Yes and what in the donkey dicked hell does that have to do with sausages? That part in particular doesn't make sense.
>>7612874
Good hustle kid, your bait won you three replies.
>>7612851
no, all good sausages use organ membrane, faggots are uncased, they can look like meatballs.
After looking into though I see its usually a culinary term for a more specific mix that usually includes liver and offal. I just thought it was a more universal term for a sausage without its casing.
>>7612914
>faggots are uncased
They do use caul fat.
>>7612919
holy shit, any new recipe calls for them to be wrapped. Well shit ignore the post then
Just a few off the top of my head:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorne_sausage
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goetta
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakfast_sausage
>>7607639
Americans call the sausages that they put inside buns "hotdogs", as short for hotdog-sausage (what everyone else would probably call a frankfurter). So one would put a hotdog inside a bun to make a hotdog. It's very confusing.
>>7607693
Stop denying the obvious fact that as sausage is ground meat in a tubular casing
>>7612979
And hot dogs don't have a casing.
>>7612969
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goetta
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakfast_sausage
Both of these aren't sausages.
Read the thread.
>>7605106
Because farmers would us meat scraps and form then into little tube shapes and call it sausage, even though it had no casing. It was cheap, greasy, food to keep them going for the day. Thus breakfast sausage was born.
The breakfast sausage patty came out of convenience for people because you didn't have to take the time to form them into little tiny loafs and you could put them is sandwiches.
Its just the evolution of vocabulary.
>>7612985
nigga you shitposting
Lorne sausage is a loaf of sausage mice, yet you leave that out, while both goetta and breakfast sausage are often found cased
>>7612985
I have read the thread. No post has been made which offers a solid definition that makes them not sausage yet would allow Lorne sausage or some other accepted traditional sausage of varying characteristics to be included as sausage.
>>7612997
sausage mince*
>>7612975
>Americans call the sausages that they put inside buns "hotdogs", as short for hotdog-sausage (what everyone else would probably call a frankfurter)
No. We call hotdogs hotdogs. A hotdog is a specific kind of sausage that is put on a special kind of bun called a hotdog bun. We do also put other kinds of sausage on other kinds of buns, but the word "hotdog" doesn't simply refer to any type of sausage which an American happens to put on a bun of some kind. "Frankfurter" is the original type of European sausage from which the American hotdog originated, and is also used as a cognate for "hotdog". It's not "short" for anything. It's also not confusing at all, you're just a smelly foreigner.
>>7612999
Lorne "sausage" gets let off due to historical usage. They are jocks so don't know any better.
There.
