My mom and my biology teacher told me to cook ground beef through.
But the Bourdain technique episode and that dude on Munchies both said to cook hamburgers to medium rare, like steak.
So, my mom is wrong right? Do you have to make ground beef brown to kill bacteria?
>>7573106
>Do you have to make ground beef brown to kill bacteria?
is that even a question?, of course.
>>7573106
medium is the best
bourdain is an alcoholic pillhead so all the booze and pills kill the undercooked meat bacteria
>>7573106
frankly depends on the thickness of the burger but mostly the quality of the meat
I like mine just north of medium rare but not quite medium, although i do like a thin burger just seared on both sides like in n out
A little pink is okay. Red is a no go.
>>7573130
Do you trust your immune system? Medium is as far as I go
>>7573106
bugaboos start dying off at a certain temperature, 160/5 is when 99% are dead within a few seconds for ground beef, if you sear the outside of your beef before grinding you can eat it rare if you wish.
If you bought pre-made mince, you should cook it well done. You're unlikely to get ill if it's a bit pink, but there is a risk. If you made the mince yourself, cooking it medium is fine.
If you grind your own high quality beef then it's ok. Otherwise your package of ground beef is probably meat from several different cows and has been through god knows what -- cook it well
>>7573106
You run a gamble every time you eat a burger that's more than just slightly pink in the center (if it isn't coming from a reputable establishment).
Burgers =/ steaks. What works for one does not for the other.
The reasoning for cooking ground meat well done generally is:
Bacteria and stuff sits on the top of meat and doesn't penetrate deep into it. When you grind it for a burger it all gets mixed together and potentially all that meat is now exposed to it. Also now there is significantly more surface area for bacteria etc to get on.
Add in if you are getting it from a store, who knows how long ago it was ground, how clean it was etc.
Up to you if you think it's worth it.
Make some black bean burgers. They are delicious and they won't give you food poisoning.
>>7573273
Disgusting
>>7573273
I believe very strongly in human's omnivore status, but desu black bean burgers can be real good.
>>7573273
recipie you fucking vegan
>>7573266
Listen to this anon.
>>7573273
Would eat
>>7573273
>vegan
Kill yourself
Cooking a burger to medium or well don't ruin it if you get a high fat ground. Just so be going and pressing down on the meat with a spatula when you're cooking. The only time you want to touch a burger on the grill is when you're putting it on, flipping it one time only, and taking it off the grill. Otherwise you're going to loose all those good juices and it will just taste like a dry piece of shit jerky.
>>7573367
Please don't label me. I eat those burgers with cheese anyway.
>>7573273
I've unironically made some and thought they were pretty good. Would never beat gold ol beef though
>>7573378
>>7573367
>>7573290
Get triggered you faggots
i got 1kg of ground beef sitting in my fridge as we speak
but i have no bread crumbs, only shake and bake (no bully)
can i use it as a substitute? will it taste better?
>>7573106
Moms can be wrong you fucking oaf.
>>7573106
store bought mince? cook through
ground your own of have a butcher you trust with your life? medium rare
>>7573185
>>7573259
>>7573410
This.
Bacteria grows on the surface of meat. Always cook the surface thoroughly.
Ground beef, having a lot of surface, must be cooked well done.
Unless it has very recently been ground. In this scenario bacteria hasn't had time to move onto the new surfaces.
Only if you grind your own beef from scratch. Cook the pre-ground shit till it's grey and lifeless
>>7573383
I make Burgers with no binder at all mate.
I just sprinkle in an oxo cube. mix with cold wet hands then make into patties. Try and make them dented in the middle (so it looks like a red blood cell???) - throw into the fridge for at least 20 mins.
When it comes to cooking, do as this anon said. >>7573372
>>7573435
>Unless it has very recently been ground. In this scenario bacteria hasn't had time to move onto the new surfaces.
Makes no sense whatsoever. Ground beef has to be cooked well done because the contaminated surfaces are now distributed throughout the meat. The only way to make ground beef safe for lower temperatures is to sear an intact piece of meat on all sides and then grind that
you can eat raw ground beef. if you think about it, putting meat through the grinder kills and grinds all the bacteria to death.
>>7573796
Okay, I had a sensible chuckle.
>>7573796
this
>>7573380
this, actually.
i was (almost) glad my one friend's new girlfriend was a vegetarian. first time he brought her over and dropped that fucking bomb i had to figure something out quick.
quite the challenge but the bean burgers i made came out pretty okay.
she liked them, except she criticized the fact i used the same spatula to flip her bean burgs as i did the normal all american beefy burgs.
>medium is the best
Correct.
The FDA says that beef should be cooked to 160 degrees to kill e-coli, but that's being over-cautious.
If you freeze the ground beef before-hand, it kills most strains of e-coli and the rest die at about 130 degrees (medium is typically 140-145) due to temperature shock.
>>7573273
Does it have to be black beans, or will any bean work? I need to know for reasons.
>>7573106
If you want a rare burger, you can buy a cut of meat at a grocery store and ask them to grind it for you.
The problem isn't the surface area so much as the number of cows the meat comes from. A cut of meat will only have e-coli if the one cow that produced it (or possibly a small number of other cows whose meat came in contact with your cut) was infected, but pre-ground beef usually comes from quite a few different organisms.
>>7573273
Gotta admit vegans are some of the shittiest people on this board but mmm dem black beans..
>>7573106
>My mom and my biology teacher told me to never ride in a motor vehicle that way I'm never in a crash.
>But I see everyone riding in cars and buses and airplanes all the time.
>So, my mom is wrong right? Do you have to stay at home to avoid being in an accident?
FFS, OP it's all about risk. Cooking a burger well done is safer than cooking one to a lesser degree, but the chance of getting sick from an "undercooked" burger is minuscule.
>>7573273
Ive had a few of those fake vegan burguers, they are ok i eat them sometimes
>>7573106
when you undercook beef you need to make sure its fresh, you can even eat raw ground beef if its fresh enough, but if you ever aren't sure about the meat cook it through. it's not a nice steak, its ground beef,
>>7573273
Might end up doing this. people are fucking sperging out hilariously but ground beef is pretty expensive if you don't own a grinder so a cheap but decent patty that goes good on a burger made of something cheap like black beans would be absolutely awesome. I can taste my hot pickles already.
>>7573106
You dumb mother fucker do you even know what an immune system is.
>>7574123
>but ground beef is pretty expensive if you don't own a grinder
What? Where on earth do you live where ground beef is expensive? It's usually one of the cheapest meats in the market.
And even if you aren't happy with the ground beef on display you can always buy a steak or chop or whatever you like and ask the butcher to grind it for you.
>>7574132
no, its almost never anywhere close to one of the cheapest meats in the market you fucking idiot.
ground beef is usually 3 dollars or more a lb, when its cheaper its pretty shitty, but even accounting for something under 3 dollars you can buy almost any good pork cut besides loin and chops for that kind of money, and I'd rather do pulled pork "burgers" with 89 c a lb carnitas from pork shoulder, or chicken, from 99c chicken thighs, or ham, or bacon ends, or sometimes, even bacon. even some of the cheaper steaks and beef roasts are cheaper than ground meat.
>>7574126
i hate when people say this. an immune system does not make you invulnerable, and you're not tough because you think you have good genes for your immune system.
>>7574137
I didn't mean it was literally THE cheapest meat, but rather that it was nothing close to "expensive". In my opinion $3/lb is cheap meat.
>cheaper steaks and beef roasts are cheaper than ground meat.
Ask the butcher to grind those for you and you have even cheaper ground meat.
>>7574139
>i hate when people say this. an immune system does not make you invulnerable
Nobody is implying that. The point is that you don't need to worry so much about eating undercooked food because such things don't automatically make you sick.
>>7574151
he kind of was implying that, because not all undercooked food is the same and just telling people they have an immune system makes them think it's all safe. a massive batch of ground beef prepared all at once is much more likely to make you sick than a small batch.
>>7573106
Ive eaten burgers medium-medium rare all my life. Never had a problem
>>7574123
What kind of hot pickles?
Your mom is technically correct, but fuck that pussy bitch ass nigga bullshit.
Medium tastes better and the chances of getting shit are hella slim.
>>7574021
kidney beans work, too. I guess don't use any high quality ingredients since the taste will be overshadowed by spices/onion/carrots, whatever you decide to put in. just try it nigga.
>>7573106
beef
>>7574814
just krogrer store brand, nothing special, but desu where I am its hard to find hot pickles at all, most like em sweet, so the shelves are stocked with sweet dill, kosher dill, dill, and bread and butter chips. theres maybe 2-3 choices if you like it hot, and most of those hots are also sweet. I tend to just pick whatevers got heat and the least ammount of sugar.
>>7574067
Oh yes, the people that actually have a slight moral compass for animals, the environment, and their bodies are the shittiest people
don't eat undercooked ground beef
shits full retard
>>7575251
generally speaking for a human any other human that is not an exact copy of themselves and their ideals is "objectively" a shittier person than them.
>>7573106
what i do when i want a hamburger is sear a steak on super high heat, and then put it through a grinder, and form it into patties and do it again pretty much. mostly rare on the inside, but no bacteria. totally delicious.
>>7575280
What you said literally means nothing and makes absolutely no sense
I suggest some grammar lessons from the local ESL teachers
>>7575343
>>dyrr eyem retarded, I can't understand simple english
back for more? or are you a new example of human ineptitude? No one is so dumb they don't understand what chauvinism is and that the default human state is provincialism. they might pretend they are on the internet but theyre not.
>>7575404
You've recently read something or learned something and desperately wanted to show it off as soon as possible.
Sadly you just come across as a rambling fedoralord.
>>7575410
>>recently
nah
>>show it off
you got me there?
I mean the human state is persistant delusions of grandure and its basically cultural poison. why wouldn't anyone who didn't buy into it want to tell people that it's bullshit?
>>7575415
Oh my god, nobody is interested in your ramblings.
>>7575415
>grandure
kek stop trying to sound smart
18+ by the way
If you drive over the speed limit or your BMI is overweight/obese, then you're clearly okay with taking risks, and you can probably get away with eating raw mincemeat.
>>7575324
This is actually probably a decent way to go about this, providing your grinder is super clean. Most bacteria are on the surface of big cuts, meaning you can sear the surface of a steak and kill most of the bugs. When you grind larger cuts, the bugs on the surface are redistributed throughout the meat, meaning they aren't killed with a quick sear, you have to get the center of the patty to a high enough temperature, and thus a higher doneness.
If you process the meat yourself and know what you're doing, medium rare is totally acceptable.
Otherwise, you cook ground beef well-done to eliminate the risk of illness because. a) how does the source handle the meat? b) have they been using the same machine all day and just gave it a little wipe between grinds?
>>7574119
i.e. beef tartar.
or my native german choice: Mett https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mett
Obviously the DoubleSwee method is superior
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KofI6ocTLE8
>>7573106
I almost always cook mine thoroughly, that being said I've experimented with the 'Bourdain method' a few times and I haven't gotten sick. No real change in flavor or texture so I just cook it thoroughly.
>>7573993
Freezing ruins the meat. It's better to have a well done burger that has never been frozen.
>>7574479
>It didn't happen to me so it can't happen to anyone else
Great "logic" there buddy.
>>7573273
if you mixed black bean burger mix with some kind of ground meat would you create a slightly healthier burger that tastes dope as fuck
>>7573106
Steak if fine to eat rare because it's unprocessed, only the exterior is exposed to bacteria which are killed in the searing process.
Ground beef is as you may expect, ground so the original surface area of the beef is mixed together with all the rest, causing potential bacteria to be impregnated into the entire quantity of meat. This is why it must be cooked through, rare burgers is a trend but its pretty retarded.
Gourmet burgers shouldn't = undercooked.
>>7576547
>steak
>unprocessed
Retard.
>>7573106
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3WwNbLhreKM
If this little bundle of autism can get away with it so can you.
If you buy ground beef then cook it all the way through
If you grins it yourself and are sure its a clean cut of meat, then go medium
>>7573106
Gotta cook to this doneness....perfection
>>7576576
>image.jpg
>>7575343
Sue whoever educated you, that was a very easily understood sentence, your reading comprehension is garbage.
Does each grain of beef need to be cooked through, or are they whole pieces of meat?
aslong as the middle is heated to the right temperature to kill any bacteria your fine. just get a food thermometer
Well, OP here, still confused.
Thanks guys.
>>7573106
>b-but mommy said...
>>7573273
>won't give you food poisoning
It's funny that you think avoiding meat makes you immune to food poisoning.
