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>>7469540
[spoiler]I know you're not supposed to put IPAs in snifters, but I didn't have a clean chilled pint[/spoiler]
Bought some variety pack last week. They're all pretty good but this one was my favourite.
>>7469545
You can put beer in anything you want
It works better with a snifter probably because you're getting more of the aroma
De Klok. Cheap but still drinkable pils.
>>7469545
Stop posting this
>>7469540
Fin du monde (Quebec)
Chimay blue (Belgium)
Erdinger (Germany)
These are all superior choices.
>>7469588
might as well drink water
You Dutch?
My favorites so far.
>>7469540
>Squire
Oath bloke, although you chose the most generic beer they put out. Their Porter is one of the best I've ever had and the pilsener is up there with the Czech stuff
Actually drinking Tsingtao at the moment. I have no downsides and no upsides. I might as well be drinking water that gets me drunk.
>>7469545
If you put any beer in a chilled glass you have no idea what you're doing
>>7469812
It can still get you drunk, so it's still better than water.
Who /Ziegen Bock/ here?
One of the few good things about living in Michigan.
>>7469540
>General
>>7469720
Sure, but there's also better Tripels, Quads, and whatever style you like from Erdinger out there too.
Like seriously, Chimay? Babby's first Trappist. Abt 12 isn't even actually Trappist and it's a better quad.
Drinking a 40 of Hurricane High Gravity like the pathetic poor person that I am.
Drinking this after work. Decent citrusy pale ale. Last years unfiltered version seems better, the floaters in it looked really cool.
beer makes me feel so bloated
even one pint
Drinking a Lagunitas Cappuccino Stout. It's alright but I've had much better coffee stouts. It has a very distinct dark chocolate flavor which is nice but it's not even black, just a dark brown color that really doesn't look like a stout.
Nickel Brook's Kentucky Bastard, a Bourbon Barrel aged Russian Imperial Stout. This is the greatest beer in the world.
>>7470195
Is that Flint tap water?
There's only one beer this discerning alcoholic drinks, the king of beers.
>>7472906
You sir, are the king of queers
>>7472906
i respect that
>>7471148
They're not even the same style of beer you ignorant prick
in germany Oettinger, in the US PBR
>>7472906
BUDWEISER? FUCK THAT SHIT
PABST
BLUE
RIBBON
>>7472906
How are those shits treating you?
I had Fuller's ESB for the first time in several years.
I had forgotten how pleasant it was to chug. It is an experience of its own. Very refreshing, very intoxicating, and delicious.
>>7469540
How do you guys like beer with a hint of whisky? Is beer brewed from whiskey malt or beer aged in whisky barrels better in your opinion? I tend to favour the former, though the latter are not too bad either, though g.e. Innis & Gunn fell flat on its arse for me, did not enjoy that one.
Germanbros try Smoky George or Wenn dat Opa wüstt from Füchschen. De Molen's Rasputin Bruichladdich was great too.
Got one of these waiting for a special occasion.
>>7472973
>>7472989
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just got myself some german pale ales.
want to drink 2 of them today.
chose 2 /ck/
>>7473426
>How do you guys like beer with a hint of whisky?
I don't
>Is beer brewed from whiskey malt or beer aged in whisky barrels better in your opinion?
Always worse
I prefer my Woodford Reserve or Eagle Rare on the rocks, not in my beer.
Beer is best as a fresh beverage, not as an aged one. Aged beers are just not enjoyable.
>>7474087
that's the saddest thing I've ever seen
German Pale ales?
Give me a hefe, fuck pale ales made in Germany
>>7474118
Yeah how dare they try something new
>>7474118
>a country may only brew one or two types of beers
also as a german i have had enough of hefe weizens.
also they are a beer for summer.
>>7474136
Fuck that, I drink hefes year around
I've recently discovered this angel piss here in the states and I cannot stop drinking it.
>>7474087
just opened drunken sailor, braukatz later tonight
6.4%, really solid IPA, nothing to special though
>>7469540
Ballast Point Even Keel right now
>>7474303
>supporting asshole companies
>>7474319
Feels good man
I'm having a Jever Pilsener right now. Out of all the big breweries I like it the most, it also helps that I live near the city of Jever, so there's always a little local pride involved.
>>7474328
i wish they weren't owned by dr. oetker...
solid beer, one of the only actual hoppy pilsnersin the mainstream segment
This is my standard when I just want beer and don't feel adventurous. Got a pack sitting in my fridge now.
Braukatz next
way lighter, in alcohol and taste, but as it's a regular Pale Ale that is to be expected
very comfy to drink
feels entry level, still a good beer
really digging the bottle design though
I don't know how far outside of New England this beer travels, but I love it. It's an "imperial pilsner"... if you like IPAs, give it a try.
>>7474640
>7.6% pilsner
wew
sounds good desu
This stuff is fucking good. Caught me off guard as they are usually amazing at making maltier barrel aged beers but their other hoppier beers are mediocre
I am drinking a growler of Hamajang. It is a three way colab between Evil Twin/Mikeller/Jolly Pumpkin and it is a blend of a sour with sea buckthorns and a sour with strawberries aged for 1 year 3 months in oak.
It is very fragrant of berries - strawberries obviously, but also raspberries. Some vague tropical fruit tasting flavors as well. Of course that is balanced by a comfortable level of sourness and acidity and some nice earthy brett and minimal oak. Not much carbonation as expected but it is still present. Good stuff.
>>7474112
But barrel aged sours are the best.
>>7474378
New Belgium has been my go-to for my casual beers. Fat Tire, Trippel, and 1554 are my favorites from them.
>>7474674
CW has been killing it as of late
>>7474336
>i wish they weren't owned by dr. oetker...
Yeah, I know. I still like drinking it, though.
The other big brewery I like is Flensburger and I absolutely love what Störtebeker is doing, although I don't know if they're a part of another bigger brewery or not. Their Atlantik Ale is great and I really enjoy their Hanse Porter, too.
>>7474319
Story? Why are they assholes?
>>7474692
Does it come with a free tampon?
>>7474826
Are you a moron?
>>7474674
I wish they distributed where I live.
>>7474841
You should really start off with that assumption around here.
>>7474692
Fucking do what?
Three way collaboration? This is a beer we're talking about right,?
>>7475219
people who let their children become obese should be arrested for child endangerment
Is this the proper glassware for some fine-ass malt liquor?
What is the definitive American beer?
>tfw poor af and cant afford nice beer on a regular basis
>all i have right now is a bottle of some local 8% amber ale that i dont particularly want to drink
suffering
I cant decide if I like beers or not. I find lagers and IPAs both alright, but lagers taste too bland while IPAs taste too hoppy. Are Pilsners a good middle?
>>7475673
Depends on what you mean by 'definitive'.
Sales wise, bud light is the winner.
The beer market in the US has so much diversity these days, it would be impossible to pick a definitive American beer.
>>7474773
No clue, but my guess, as with nearly all Commiefornia companies, they tend to be sue happy.
That or they refuse to lower the price of their fucking 6 packs. Sculpin (and their flavors) are good and all, but for 13.99 or 14.99 a fucking six pack I can get a MUCH better 6 pack or a decent 12 pack
>>7475692
Try as many styles of beers that you can, and when you've built up some experience, try some things that you didn't like before, you might be surprised.
Also, try experimenting with beers at different temperatures, beer doesn't have to be ice cold.
>>7475692
Judging by your tastes, for for an APA (american pale ale) or perhaps an ESB
When I want something local and cheap.
>>7475537
The bottle itself.
>>7475692
Sorry bud but you're looking at two very different styles of beers, you might like something like an amber or a bitter. There's so much shit to try.
>>7475699
If you can get a much better six pack then why bother getting the Ballast?
When most of you drink beer, if you get a case of bottles, do you usually pour the bottle into a glass? Or is the taste better preserved in the bottle?
>>7475699
That's high. They are $9.99 per sixer where I live.
>>7475673
This is
>>7476172
If it's cheap adjunct lawnmower beer, then I don't bother pouring.
If I'm trying something new or if I specifically get it for a craft flavor profile then yeah I'll find a glass after a sip or two from the bottle.
Best beer coming through
>>7476201
Schlitz is wonderful out of a glass
Also, nothing quite like drinking almost frozen cheap beer out of red solo cups or those clear plastic solo mini cups
>>7476202
>green bottle
Fuck off with your skunked shit
>>7476204
>because brown shit bottles are better
>>7476205
>they actually are
>posts nothing to refute the fact that brown glass does let in less damaging light than green glass
>>7476205
They actually are
Green and clear bottles let beer get skunked in less than 15 minutes of UV light exposure
Cans are superior to any bottle, however
>>7469547
Goose island is actually pretty good
>>7476212
>>7476215
>not drinking glorious UV to ascend to godlike status
>>7476220
No, they really aren't. They have like one beer that ranks higher than average, and that's BCBS - the beer that has had massive infection issues the past few years.
>>7476222
That's uh, not what you want in beer meme-master
H-here I go!
I've got the orange ale in secondary fermentation right now. I think I'm gonna make a chocolate & peanut butter porter next.
>>7476231
>brewing on the carpet
are you a gambling man, anon?
>>7476231
God why would you homebrew such nasty beers? Fuck your meme flavors
>>7476240
I did the actual brewing in the kitchen, it's just fermenting in this closet because it's a consistent temperature.
>>7476228
What are Matilda, Sofie, Lolita, etc.
They put out good beer.
>>7476252
I won't tell you what to brew, I'm just wondering why you'd brew faggot beers.
I'm ordering my equipment once I move into a house across the fucking country this summer. I will be doing all grain german style wheat beers,.
>>7474112
>I prefer my Woodford Reserve or Eagle Rare on the rocks, not in my beer.
Whiskey is not added to the beer, you're doing it wrong.
>Beer is best as a fresh beverage, not as an aged one. Aged beers are just not enjoyable.
What an awful blanket statement to make. Aged beers are experience like no other and bring so much more to the table than a fresh beer.
>>7476254
I'm well aware of the chances of that happening, but someone's usually home and I had a blow-off hose ready if things got crazy. I wasn't worried about it with a lite ale desu. The porter I'll probably have it on something to protect the carpet.
>>7476268
>Whiskey is not added to the beer, you're doing it wrong.
You don't get it, the barrels used with bourbon barrels still have bourbon in them, in the wood. You get a strong bourbon flavor ( comparatively).
>>7476268
>What an awful blanket statement to make. Aged beers are experience like no other and bring so much more to the table than a fresh beer.
You mean getting rid of flavors that I like in fresh beer? I can understand aging a big ABV beer that tastes off if you don't, but personally I don't prefer those styles where it is necessary.
>>7476198
Sold out? So they were in the music industry too?
Sounds like a dumb reason to call a company an asshole.
>>7476262
Eh, I'm in an apartment currently so all grain was a bit out of the question due to how much more shit it requires. Once I get a house and out of school I may try it. But frankly I'm happy with the brews I'm getting from extract, and its easier so I may never "upgrade" to all grain.
>>7476275
>Sold out? So they were in the music industry too?
What are you even trying to say? It's a common term to say people sold out when they're in a small industry like this and sell out to the companies who made the problem in the first place.
Yeah, they are assholes. They're obviously just in it for the money, because they've been jewing people on their overpriced beers for years, then sold out to fucking Constellation Brands.
It's pretty funny though, I've yet to see an actual good brewery sell out, unless you count Firestone and Boulevard getting bought by Duvel. Duvel's fucking tiny though, and a good brewery at that.
>>7476276
You can certainly brew good extract brews, just the beers being fresh makes them taste pretty fucking good compared to buying beer. Personally I'm going balls deep with it.
>>7476284
The biggest thing that's pushing my towards all grain would be the level of control it would give me over the flavor. Although as of right now I don't think I could really take advantage of that with my limited knowledge and experience.
>>7474166
BASED
>>7476287
I've been reading homebrewing books for years, so I feel pretty prepared to just go all grain the first time.
Check out John Palmer's book:
http://howtobrew.com/book/introduction
>>7476201
why dont flavor profiles come out in the bottle?
>>7476311
IMHO with bottles you don't' get the correct mouthfeel and don't get any aroma. same with cans.
I used to hate the cask version of this. I had a can of it the other day and thought it was great. Just drank it on keg and it was glorious.
>>7476333
>hoppy
Thank god, fucking hate it when people just slap on "india" or "india pale" for a hopped up version of a beer.
>>7474087
Crew Republik is good, have not been let down by any of their products. Dolden Sud smells a bit strong, tastes slighty light dish washing liquid but only slighty, overall a great brew.
>>7474112
Allow me to educate you. Whisky beers fall into two categories:
1) Beer brewed from malts that have been dried in a manner that they could be used for whisky production.
2) Beer that has been aged in barrels after the initial brewing process has been completed.
And try to taste some other whiskies than bourbon, there are many types available and the majority of them do not get better with ice, some do though. Try water for diluting without lowering the temperature?
>>7474692
Sea buckthorn kicks ass, try To Öl's seabuckthorn ipa if you can get one, it is very close to a sour.
>>7475219
They tend to do it these days, easier to justify shitting up a beer with all kinds of silly things and having the fallout on the brandname, well on nobody. If it's good it might bring in customers that were familiar with 1-2 of the breweries previously.
>>7475537
Loving the glass, but a .45 ought to be drunk straight from the bottle, no?
>>7475702
Hear hear, drinking a hoppy beer too cold will remind you mostly of dish washing soap, avoid.
Just enjoyed a Rook & Vuur from de Molen, smoky goodness, next up pic related.
>>7476340
>Allow me to educate you. Whisky beers fall into two categories:
You aren't educating me on a damn thing, dude.
I guarantee I've had more than enough bourbon, scotch, whisky, and beer to have an educated opinion.
I don't like bourbon barrel aged beers, and prefer my bourbon on the rocks.
Got one bottle left of this, going to enjoy it later tonight.
>>7469540
I drink iced mango green tea because I'm fucking hardcore.
>>7476298
I'll give it a look. I've been getting most of my info from YouTube videos and homebrewing forums and the local brew store.
Haven't had a bad beer from these guys yet.
>>7476346
Well done on not reading what I had to say. Of course taste is subjective and I cannot prove you wrong, though ice in whisky on a general level seems like a bad idea to me.
Can you name any beers that were brewed from whisky malts that disappointed you?
>>7476274
>You get a strong bourbon flavor ( comparatively).
I disagree. If you add a shot of bourbon to a beer, then that's what you're going to taste and it'll be harsh. Conditioning allows the nuances of bourbon to shine and not guaranteed to be strong.
>You mean getting rid of flavors that I like in fresh beer?
Not what I said at all. Aging a beer doesn't mean you're getting rid of off flavors. It changes the beer and that's all. A bad beer will still taste bad a year later.
>>7476365
I wasn't addressing the whiskey malts, because honestly I skipped over that and don't really care. I've had a few, wasn't impressed. Bourbon barrel or whisky barrel beers are a lot more prevalent in the US, and I fucking hate them.
I always try new whisky/bourbon straight, then I try it with just a touch of water, but if I'm drinking to enjoy it, I typically put just a single ice cube/whiskey rock in there - it all depends. Sometimes I don't give a fuck and just drink it straight from the bottle.
>>7476284
>small industry like this
How were they small before being bought out? They were a billion dollar company that shipped nationally.
I can understand being butthurt about a band selling out, but again, they were already making billions.
But why do you think they're assholes for selling out? You clearly didn't like them before they did that.
>>7476390
Honestly I'd expect someone who liked them to be more mad
I never drank their overpriced beers before hand, except for a sculpin or two in a mix six.
I still think they're assholes for selling out to fucking Constellation, of all people.
DESU though I don't care that much. Now, if Sierra Nevada, Odell, or Deschutes sold out, I'd fucking be pissed.
>>7476382
I am glad that we were able to turn this discussion into something sensible. Why I like whisky beers is that they combine good elements of both brews into one, for example allowing to savor an islay malt at length without getting extremely drunk and spending a lot of money.
Though they are not everyone's cup of tea and as I have previously stated, not all that I have tried were anywhere close to being worth the money.
>>7476340
The rauchbock was pretty damn nice too, close to Schlenkerla Märzen.
>>7476403
I can understand using whisky/smoked malt in the actual brewing of the beer, but I'm fucking sick of bourbon barrel beers. It's become a fucking meme here.
>>7476395
Deschutes got bought by inbev. Most of these companies sell to the big businesses just to get more distribution. It's a smart decision
>>7476415
No, they didn't.
>>7476407
It's tiring to see some chumps pump out a bourbon barrel aged beer and think they can charge a premium for it without any reputation.
But, BCBS is still one of the best beers out there.
>>7476429
I got so sick of my 4 pack of BCBS last time I bought it that I drain poured it.
You mad?
Fuck that beer.
>>7476417
Oh I got it confused with 10 barrel or whatever. Regardless, it's not a bad thing to do. Your beer reaches more people and you get more money to expand.
>>7476435
You wasted your money and clearly have bad taste. Why would I be mad at someone making a fool of themselves?
Also, have plenty of BCBS that I get to enjoy with family and friends.
>>7476446
I understand if you only care about money, of course. It's always smart on their part. It's the American dream.
>>7476451
>You wasted your money and clearly have bad taste
Guess what? Most people would say you have bad taste for enjoying a beer that tastes like soy sauce, bourbon, and warm alcohol. There are plenty of craft beer drinkers who never touch barrel aged beers, and even more who don't touch bourbon barrel aged beers.
I really gave them a fair shot, too. I've done verticals of BCBS, aged my own BCBS at home, vertical of Mephistophiles, various Yetis ( IIRC none of those were bourbon barrel, and I liked them more), the Founder's stouts, and a few others.
For me, if I'm going to barrel age, it's gotta be steamed oak barrels and not too huge of a beer. 10-11% maximum.
>>7473426
>whiskey malt
you wut m8
>>7476476
thank you for the toppest of kek's anon. you have demonstrated beyond any doubt your plebeian nature.
I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
>>7476503
Oh, yeah, I'm a total pleb for not liking what you like!
I've no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to beer!
>bourbon barrel beer
Working class scum.
>>7476476
>Guess what? Most people would say you have bad taste for enjoying a beer that tastes like soy sauce, bourbon, and warm alcohol.
Soy sauce is not a desired or common flavor in bourbon barrel aged beers. Not sure how 'warm alcohol' is a flavor description.
>There are plenty of craft beer drinkers who never touch barrel aged beers, and even more who don't touch bourbon barrel aged beers.
It's more popular than not, while demanding a higher price point. Not sure what your point is.
>10-11% maximum.
Why does abv play a role in whether you enjoy it or not? I've had BBA beers that have been lower in abv with too much heat and >10% where all you tasted was sweetness.
>>7476509
>implying that yelping super hard means that you know anything
I'm sorry for the shitposting. If you want a legit argument, I'd say that you'd need to try more than a couple of bourbon barrel aged beers before making blanket statements. KBS and BCBS are pretty good representations of the style though, so if you don't like those... sorry? sucks for you? Trying not to nitpick arbitrary 10-11% ABV limits and "steamed oak barrels."
>>7476480
Allow me to be more precise. Here I referred to barley that has been malted as "whisky malt". I believe that you understood my meaning.
This malted barley can be then mashed and distilled into whisky whisky or to produce beer with notes of whisky.
>>7476509
You're not a pleb for disagreeing with my tastes. You're a pleb for making broad brush statements about a style of beer. Posting your social media shit is just embarrassing and desperate.
>>7476522
>can't afford new barrels
> not aging in large oak foeders
>>7476529
>Not sure how 'warm alcohol' is a flavor description.
Means that you get a spicy, warm note from the alcohol level.
>It's more popular than not, while demanding a higher price point. Not sure what your point is.
Bourbon barrel beers aren't large sellers, and most craft beer drinkers never try them. They're only consumed by enthusiasts, and only some. There's a large contingent of the community that hates IPAs and stouts entirely, and instead regards Belgians as the end all be all to good beer.
>>7476529
>Why does abv play a role in whether you enjoy it or not?
Because any higher and I don't enjoy it? It doesn't matter if it's super sweet ( of course it is, fermentation is less efficient in those ranges and they become quite sweet). 10% is my sweet spot.
>>7476532
If you count the differing years, I reckon I've had at least 3 dozen different bourbon barrel stouts, and didn't care for any of them. I didn't mind some, sure, and I even bought some BCBS two years in a row. I finally decided it wasn't my thing after aging that 2013 batch for 2 years in the fridge. I don't mind fresh oak barrels ( all barrel wood is steamed to remove various tannin levels). Wine barrels I guess are ok, but I'm not going to bother with those again. Oak foeder beers are the best when it comes to aging on wood.
>>7476545
Sure thing bud
Bourbon barrel beers are crap and only consumed by fat retards
Kill yourself
> If you don't like bourbon barrel beers you're a faggot!
Man people who drink these beers are always the most defensive about their shit
>>7476546
Tried Schneider Weisse's Tap X Cuvee Barrique. They took a dark weizenbock and aged it in red wine barrels.
Tasted very vinegary and all around unpleasant.
Taught me a valuable lesson in checking what kind of barrels the brew has been aged in prior to purchase.
>>7476546
I don't even know where to begin with this... at least you tried? good work anon. #craftforthecraft
>>7476565
I love Schneider, but that beer was shit.
>>7476546
>Bourbon barrel beers aren't large sellers
Where do you live? Kansas? Any metropolitan area sells out of most any BBA beers the day they're released.
Stop speaking for a whole community when you don't even hold the majority opinion. Stouts and IPAs are the most popular styles in the US. I really don't get the point you're trying to drive home.
>Because any higher and I don't enjoy it?
I get that. I'm just trying to understand why. If you're handed a beer without knowing the abv beforehand, what sets you off? The sweetness, viscosity, etc.
>>7471722
Came here to post this. It's really great, but maybe not as good as last year, you're right.
>>7476559
It's clearly the opposite. Those that are missing out feel the need to compensate by saying a whole category sucks.
Don't drink anything that says "bourbon" on it. The rest of us will be happy about it since there's more for the patricians.
>>7476574
>Where do you live? Kansas? Any metropolitan area sells out of most any BBA beers the day they're released.
Dude, do you not understand how this shit works? It's a relatively niche style. Most double/russian imperial stouts aren't barrel aged, and even those are small categories next to IPAs, normal stouts, APAs, etc. Of course it sells out, even in smaller areas it sells out, but it doesn't account for much volume at all.
IPAs alone make up about 30% of all craft beer sales. That's popular.
>.If you're handed a beer without knowing the abv beforehand, what sets you off?
Overt alcohol warmth and spice, fusel alcohol flavors, and depending on the beer, too syrupy. Mephistopheles is the worse for all of those. Ever had it? That's a piece of shit beer. I can at least understand why people like BCBS, but not Mephistopheles.
>>7476593
>It's a relatively niche style.
Honestly, where do you live? This is not true at all considering the craft community.
Bocks, saisons, and rauchs are niche styles.
>Mephistopheles is the worse for all of those. Ever had it?
Not that one, but I've had some of the other extreme Avery beers and I can agree with you on the point that they're too syrupy and boozy. Not worth it to me.
>>7476623
Dude, just look at sales. Stouts themselves are a joke.
>>7476623
>Honestly, where do you live? This is not true at all considering the craft community.
As far as beer sales in general it's incredibly niche. Hell, any "Craft beer" is niche. What sells well is mass-market crap like Bud Light. That's a high selling beer.
>>7476623
Also for supermarkets
>>7476643
Even within craft beer, stouts don't sell well.
>>7476593
this is some next level trolling. where do I learn such a art?
>>7476650
these threads make me REEEEEEEEE so hard.
so many people who know just enough about beer to upset me.
>>7476655
What's your problem? What am I saying that makes you mad? That I don't like your beer style, or that you don't like that stouts are a fucking small part of the market share and you don't agree despite facts?
>>7476669
To be fair they're getting a lot better than what they were ten years ago. Ten years ago you did get some of that great American strain hop aroma, but they were a lot more bitter and less hop forward. They're getting pretty amazing these days.
People like hops, and I swear it's addictive.
>>7476663
the big things are:
1. you don't like BBA beers. cool. are they objectively "shit beers?" no. that's your opinion and you're welcome to it. but, if you're willing to write off an entire category of beer as shit, then you are just limiting yourself, and you are the one missing out. I'm assuming you know that stouts aren't the only beers aged in bourbon barrels, and that barrel aged beers are often blended to achieved the desired level of bourbon character? Quads in bourbon barrels can be incredible. Maybe you just need to find a BBA beer that's been blended down to your tastes? Verticals of the same beer hardly count if you're trying to develop an appreciation for the style.
2. linking your BA profile - do you think anybody would be impressed by this? how can you drink
2000+ beers and only have a handful of BBA beers?
3.
>I don't mind fresh oak barrels ( all barrel wood is steamed to remove various tannin levels). Wine barrels I guess are ok, but I'm not going to bother with those again. Oak foeder beers are the best when it comes to aging on wood.
...what? there is no "best" when it comes to again on wood. each type of barrel contributes different flavors, and different styles benefit differently from different barrels.
assuming we are still talking about strong ales/stouts -- cool. you like oak character in them. "not going to bother with wine barrels again?" some of the best mixed fermentation beers are aged in wine barrels. "Oak foder beers are the best" is just simply stupid and wrong.
>>7476706
IDK, I can't seem to find any charts that separate them out.
>>7476704
>objectively
I never said anything here was objective, of course it's subjective.
>if you're willing to write off an entire category of beer as shit
After sampling some 3 dozen different BBAs if you include verticals ( which I do, they're vastly different at times), yes, I can write them off.
> then you are just limiting yourself
So? Why is this a bad thing? I don't drink wine, I don't like tequila, and I don't like vodka. Who gives a shit? Why did you even bring this up?
>you are the one missing out.
On what, throwing away my money, time, and calories?
> I'm assuming you know that stouts aren't the only beers aged in bourbon barrels
Yeah, and I fucking hate quads in them as well. Sours too.
>that barrel aged beers are often blended to achieved the desired level of bourbon character?
Right, because the flavor can depend a lot on the temperature of the barrel house, the barrel itself, the amount of bourbon left in the barrel after it was used by the distillery, it's location within the barrel house, and the conditions of the process of making the barrel/the tree growth as well.
>how can you drink 2000+ beers and only have a handful
Because most beers aren't BBA beers, and I decided I didn't care for them. I probably had my first one in 2009. I did a kick of trying them in 2013, bought some BCBS and aged it myself, and finally just said "fuck it, I don't like these and won't bother again" in early 2015.
> Maybe you just need to find a BBA beer that's been blended down to your tastes?
Nah, I'm good.
>Verticals of the same beer hardly count if you're trying to develop an appreciation for the style.
I disagree, some of them were quite different from year to year. I've had all the "greats."
>some of the best mixed fermentation beers are aged in wine barrels
I thought we were being subjective here?
>is just simply stupid and wrong.
Again, I prefer that if they're going to age it all. It's all subjective, remember?
>>7472973
Oettinger a best
>>7476754
>implying you can taste a difference between beer aged in a 59 gal barrel and one in a foeder
please stop pretending you know anything about barrels or barrel aging. I think that is the most painful part for me.
also, I'm not trying to argue semantics but you should probably look up the definition of subjective/objective.
>>7476775
>>7476775
No, I'm stating my opinions here. That's subjective.
saying things like "You're stupid for not liking what I like!" is trying to be objective about your subjective opinions. That's treating opinions like fact.
Oak foeders impart less flavor from the wood than a barrel primarily because of the techniques used in construction. The oak used in foeders is typically an oak that has less flavor, then they steam it for up to a week to remove certain flavor elements - depends on what the brewery wants to impart with their foeder.
>>7476649
You could always assume that since /ck/ is a slower board and and does not appeal to a wide audience, the % of shitposts is actually lower than in other boards and poster actually attempt to engage in moderately civil discussions?
Pic related next, bought them expired but the spices are there, like this one quite a bit.
>>7476782
please man, just stop. you're killing me.
your barrel bro-science lecture has been one of the more brutal things I've endured recently.
>>7476808
Oh wise one, provide sources that I'm wrong about anything I said. I've not made any strange claims about it.
How about we go through the few objective things I've said here? Anything about what's "best" is subjective, as it's obviously an opinion.
>>7476782
>Oak foeders impart less flavor from the wood than a barrel primarily because of the techniques used in construction. The oak used in foeders is typically an oak that has less flavor, then they steam it for up to a week to remove certain flavor elements - depends on what the brewery wants to impart with their foeder.
Source:
http://www.foedercrafters.com/faqs/
>>7476754
>Right, because the flavor can depend a lot on the temperature of the barrel house, the barrel itself, the amount of bourbon left in the barrel after it was used by the distillery, its location within the barrel house, and the conditions of the process of making the barrel/the tree growth as well.
Sources:
http://www.shakestir.com/features/id/551/science-of-barrel-aging
http://www.gobourbon.com/using-oak-barrels-to-age-whiskey/
So what is it? You're just pissed that I don't like what you like, or do you disagree with those statements?
>>7476839
my point was essentially:
of course there are different kinds of foeders. it just seems like you are implying that there isn't the same variety in smaller barrels.
you don't need to educate me on barrels. I literally make beer, and put it in barrels for a living.
I'm not really sure what we're arguing about anymore anyway. we seem to have gone away from your dislike of bourbon barrel aged beers. cool, agree to disagree.
lets just be friends, friend.
>>7472922
Chimay Blue and St Bernardus Abt 12 are both quads. You seem dumb.
>>7476978
Chimay blue is a Belgian strong
>>7477033
I just looked into this and honestly can't believe I was wrong. It's a super fine line. I'd say Chimay Blue is more in line with a Quad than something like Gulden Draak 9k which is considered a Quad.
Babby's first trappist still applies. Chimay Blue is needlessly over priced just because it's Trappist, and isn't even one of the better Trappist beers.
>>7476839
>>Oak foeders impart less flavor from the wood than a barrel primarily because of the techniques used in construction. The oak used in foeders is typically an oak that has less flavor, then they steam it for up to a week to remove certain flavor elements - depends on what the brewery wants to impart with their foeder.
What the fuck? That's not even what it says in your source. You construing information to fit your own narrative. Foeders are great because you have better control over your product. It doesn't impart "less flavor" Stop spewing your bullshit.
>>7477059
Yeah honestly I looked it up because I didn't remember which was which, I could have sworn it was a quad as well. I think those are two styles that are close, not unlike porter and stout.
>>7477063
You're right, it totally depends on how the brewery wants to use them. You can find sours and shit with lots of flavor coming from the foeder, because the foeder has live lacto, brett, or other wild yeasts living in it and they carries on from batch to batch.
However, like the source says, this can vary depending on what the customer wants.
In general though, old world foeders use a really mild french oak that on its own imparts less flavor than the wood typically used for wine, bourbon, and new oak barrels.
For a long time, no one even wanted American made foeders because no one trusted anyone but the French to make them. A lot of people still will only purchase used foeders from France or Belgium.
>>7477063
Read this
http://allaboutbeer.com/foeders/
>>7474112
>>7476509
Are you the same people? Cause you seem to share the same opinions and join date.
But...you inflated your "stats" to show off on an anonymous forum?
>>7477059
>doesn't know what style of beer they drink
>calling other people out for "babbys first" anything
>>7476559
>Lagunitas Lucky 13 in the background
>won't be brewed again
>>7472906
Budweiser is bad
If im drinking a macro gimme a bottle of miller high life f a m
Currently drinking a Three Philosophers, excellent stuff.
Reccing Immort Ale by Dogfish, and Strong Patrick by Beau's if you're in Ontario. It's a great St. Patrick's Day red ale.
Soon to try Nikolai Vorluf.
last can from treehouse, gonna have to make another run next week
>>7477967
that looks amazing
>>7476243
grow up child
>>7476262
Eat shit
So, I've pretty much only tasted the "standard" beers, Heineken and some similar swedish brands, and while I don't really like the taste, I think it's an interesting one. What different beers are good, quality, "beginner" ones? Preferably different styles as well to get a good grasp of them.
>>7479533
Anything german
>>7476640
>Porter 1.9%
Hey guys, here is what I have been drinking as of recent.
Looking for more of the Sip of Sunshine ASAP
>>7469540
Drinking this. I'd recommend it to anyone.
>>7479533
Where do you live and what kinds of beers do you like lager, stout pale ales etc?
if you dont know kinds, what kinds of flavors do you like, fruity? hoppy? malty?
>>7480880
I live in Sweden and I'm really open to all different kinds of flavor.
>>7480904
Ah ok cool, I'm an Americunt so I cant recommend anything specific but what I will say is that Europe in general has good beer. Check out some high rated German stuff of course.
I'm not an expert by any means but in terms of beginning I would say trying different stuff to see what you like and then moving up to find the best of that specific style is a good starting method.
Is Swedish beer a thing?
>>7480940
As far as I know (and I know nothing), we have the "commercial" beers, that I'm guessing is like the swedish version of Budweiser/PBR etc. But we probably have some native breweries, but as I said, I know nothing.
But thank you for the tips, will probably go to the only swedish alcohol chain and ask for advice/recommendations.
>>7469588
Huh. I tried this for the first ever time today on a whim. Was worth the 50 cents each
>>7479533
Systembolaget has a wide variety of stuff, though you might want to order by mail as well. Some good stores in Germany, Holland and Belgium and have a wider selection at a lower cost delivered straight to your door. (Google is your friend here)
As for beginner beers I really cannot tell, though I can let you know that the palate has diminishing returns, so if you get a nice tasting selection I would not quaff them in a single evening as you would not be able to pick up the subtler flavors due to the fact that you got drunk from the 6 beers before. I personally just go nuts (depending on your budget ofc) and pick stuff up that looks interesting.
Just got to try supposedly the last keg of this stuff.
Drinking this and really happy they started canning it.
>>7476215
Sure aluminum tasting beer is the best!
>>7481398
How fucking old are you?
They solved the problem of metal leaching into beer from cans like 50 years ago, its not even a concern at all
Cans are by far the best way to sell beer except that old bottling machines are easier to come by so a lot of start up craft brewers go to them
>>7477967
Can you get any more meme?
>>7481398
>he thinks this is a factor
P L E B
>>7481427
>he thinks metal will ever be as neutral as glas
Kek
>>7481481
its coated with an inert polymer
>>7481505
Lol I neva hud a such a thing bafo must me fake or something hahaha lol I don't ebeive you1111!
Anyone else have a problem with drinking beer too fast?
I only really like it when its cold and that doesnt last long, AND I love the taste. When I drink beer I just want to drink it as fast as possible. It's not uncommon for me to drink my first 3-4 beers in under 2 minutes each.
boston lager sucks man. no taste at all. its like water
Who /fell for the Guinness meme/ here?
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/b4GrkOb.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
Shit's like 5 bucks for a 12 pack. Sue me
Back again with something else I drank first a few months back, pretty cool
>>7481835
Picture was turned sideways, Sorry!
>>7469540
>2016
>drinking beer
Beer makes you fat, start drinking titos, it has zero calories.
Very cheap, and gets the job done.
>>7481883
yeah, thats not true
how the fuck has this not been mentioned yet?
got a 4 pack a year ago, tried one when i got back home
>it was pretty nice
then i stashed the rest away for a few months
>dear christ
since then i've slowly migrated to mixed drinks after too many shitty recommendations from the local store, but every time i make one i know out there is a beer that is simply better.
>>7481895
BRO! shuts god tier, but seasonal as fuck. Literally one week out of the year.
>>7481883
>zero calorie alcohol
Better known as: water.
>>7481883
A: kill yourself
B: hey you know what's cheaper and less shitty? pic related.
C: speaking of getting you skinny, you're talking about gin. I prefer New Amsterdam because i'm white (but not white enough for bombay sapphire) and sometimes prefer citrus and sometimes prefer mint
>>7481900
I know right? Every year i go from beer store to beer store looking for it and it's sold out.
the worst part? they have it on tap around me
>>7481916
>calico vision jack memed rum
Nice try I'll stick to svedka.
>>7481953
you could get pinnacle for less, and if you really hate yourself Vladamir
i mean yeah they're in plastic bottles but lets face it svedka is just as trash
>>7480904
>>7480962
Not that anon, but it looks like your government-run liquor stores have a decent selection of import (including craft).
https://www.systembolaget.se/dryck/ol/sierra-nevada-152503
https://www.systembolaget.se/dryck/ol/sierra-nevada-8214703
https://www.systembolaget.se/dryck/ol/weihenstephaner-152601
https://www.systembolaget.se/dryck/ol/weihenstephaner-korbinian-8909801
https://www.systembolaget.se/dryck/ol/lagunitas-8960703
https://www.systembolaget.se/dryck/ol/pilsner-urquell-156603
I'd drink those to get a general idea of which beer styles taste best to you and then look for local beer in the same style. What the previous anon said about not overloading is true, if you're doing tasting, two a night maximum before switching to cheap shit.
>>7481560
Pour your beer into an insulated travel mug?
For ultimate richfag showoff points there's a University lab geek in California (radiation safety officer IIRC) that builds beer steins out of liquid nitrogen storage flasks.
http://shop.funraniumlabs.com/products/350ml-fmj-stein-of-science.html
>>7481832
Check the label and see who makes it. If it says Anheuser Busch or Los Angeles California consider yourself gargling the AB InBev cock.
>>7469834
Nah, the sundown is good on a hot day, mate. Queensland summers and lager seem to mix really well in a taste defying way.
>>7481635
It has plenty of taste, your buds are just probably shit from over the top stouts and ipas
>tfw pissed the bed after drinking last night
Forgot about this thread and got somewhat drunk This is what i´m sipping now, like it!
whats a good pale ale? not an IPA but a normal pale ale
>>7484404
Depends where you live. If you can get Spotted Cow or Pseudo Sue or Zombie Dust you should obviously drink those. Sierra Nevada is the quintessential APA that you can find everywhere.
>>7469540
It's not the best but it's for a good cause.
>>7484164
Looks good. I've never heard of this beer before but I know TG from Pseudo Sue
Is this an appropriate glass to drink beer out of? I don't have a traditional beer glass.
>>7484606
Good enough.
Found me a bottle of this. I still don't get the Three Floyds meme. It's good beer, but nothing to chase shipping trucks over.
Yinzer reporting in. My go to.
Drinking Guinness
Would recommend Lil Sumpin Sumpin
Tried pic related, Victory's DirtWolf, and Brooklyn's Sorachi Ace tonight.
All were pretty good. Dark Truth is a bit too smoky, but was nice nonetheless.
DirtWolf was a beer I tried a few years ago when I first got into craft beer and turned me off of IPAs for a long time. Now I like it, go figure.
![boulebard-rye-on-rye[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/sLff8vJ.jpg "boulebard-rye-on-rye[1].jpg")
I'm enjoying this Rye-on-Rye. First time I've tried it and it's true to the name. This is like a barleywine with a ton of rye spiciness amped up with even more rye from the rye whiskey. It's not too sweet and pretty easy to drink but the strong flavor and 12% abv make it better for sipping so I'm trying to keep it slow.
>>7484658
Yuengling is amazing for the price point. I pity those who live outside it's range.
>>7484665
Nice night, anon. I haven't had Dark Truth yet but I'm a big fan of DirtWolf. Hop Devil was actually the IPA that turned me onto craft beer. DirtWolf is very different but I love that it isn't as sweet as a lot of worse DIPA's.
I cannot stop drinking that Not Yours stuff.
It's not even that good, just ok. But I still drink it.
>>7484685
Not Your Father's Root Beer?
It's too sweet for me so I consider myself lucky. I let one get warm once while drinking it and it kind of spoiled them for me.
>>7484671
>Yuengling is amazing for the price point. I pity those who live outside it's range.
Yuengling is bad at any price point
>>7484630
Pseudo Sue is better and not as much bullshit to find
>>7484699
Obviously I enjoy flavorful beer but when the options are all cheap macro beers Yuengling is the clear winner.
>>7484698
I agree. I picked up a six pack of it a few weeks ago and it was almost sickeningly sweet. Didn't let it warm up, but I can only imagine how awful it tastes when warm.
>>7484705
I'd take High Life or PBR or Schlitz over Yuengling any day, though I haven't bought any cheap beer in years
>>7484698
That's a big thing, it is really sweet. I can even taste which artificial sweetener they're using to boot.
I was able to pick up some Milkshake today. The beer is definitely a little overhyped but it's unique and good. Previously I tried the strawberry Shilkmake from Omnipollo but these are more exotic fruits.
>>7484606
Or is this a better type of glass? Or is it too large for just one bottle?
>>7484722
There is really nothing wrong with either glass. Using any glass is good because it lets your pour the beer so the carbonation changes and you can really smell the beer while drinking it. Smell is what makes it taste better.
Different shape glasses can cater to different beers but in fairly minor ways.
