FACT: If you don't use one of these, you're an autist.
This is not up for debate.
>muh japanese sharpening stones
>muh rice paper
>muh honing steel
>muh leather strope
>>7463400
>not knowing how to sharpen a knife without training wheels.
pleb
>>7463421
>'sperging out on a task that should literally take 3 seconds
>>7463400
1 of the fastest ways to ruin your knives
Why not just get a grinder & go full retard
>>7463440
Spotted the autist.
>>7463439
>getting metal shavings all over your knife and making them gradually smaller
>>7463440
I prefer a belt sander myself
>>7463421
Not OP, but I guess I'm a pleb. I've no idea how to sharpen a knife without training wheels and I use a guided sharpener at home like that one. Also, I get my knives sharpened professionally every couple of years or so. Is that bad? Just how pleb does that make me?
>>7463443
Oh no, after 10 years of sharpening, my knife will be 1/2 cm smaller! I'd better spend 30 minutes using 5 different grades of Japanese water stones instead.
For the low low price of $250 USD, you too can spend hours ritualizing a basic task that should take no more than 5 seconds.
>>7463459
That is only $229 you autist. Not even close to $250. I bet you can't even make a glass of coffee or fry fruit properly. Protip: Your heat is too low.
>>7463489
Only 229 for the privilege of becoming a culinary samurai.
>>7463494
touche
>>7463494
>buying 15 sharpening stones
Now that's dedication.
>>7463443
So wipe it down when you're done?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTKV5-ZSWcE
>soak wetstone for 15 minutes
>draw a pencil grid on wetstone
>spend 15 minutes leveling your wetstone until pencil grid gone
>spend 10 minutes sharpening knife at exact angle ensuring the tone is approximately 2 khz and velocity is constant
>repeat for all 5 grades of wetstone
>3 hours later your knife is sharp!
OMG you plebs why haven't you bought a wetstone yet. Unbelievable.
>>7463519
Some people do it as a relaxing type thing, like cleaning guns or painting pictures and stuff. But christ, 3 hours to sharpen a knife would be insane. They build them in less time on that one tv show.
>>7463533
Hugboxes are relaxing too.
>>7463443
you realize sharpening knives gradually removes a bit of metal little by little over time right?
real people who had had a knife and regularly sharpen it would know
>>7463459
You don't need all that shit
A 1000 to do the hard initial work or reset your edge & the 6000 or 8000 to finish or keep it up to date.
Of you're a home cook, go for the $20 hand sharpener
If you work in the industry, use your knives all day everyday & care about them, buy the right equipment & learn to sharpen properly
A 45 degree is fine for a home cook but you're more serious you'll go for a finer edge
>>7463533
3 hours???
Maybe if you royally fucked up your knife or were lazy & need to reset the edge but basic maintenance you're looking at about 40 min tops
>>7463654
Merciful heavens, why should one ever sharpen his hands?
>>7463656
>a mere 40 minutes
I take sharpening my kitchen knives to austitic heights.
The Wicked Edge is the best sharpener you can get.
>>7463400
Get a Lansky Sharp Stick. I have one of those ceramic notches for my fishing knife, but knives have different edge angles and not all can use the notch, obviously. It's not a be-all and end-all, ya goober.
>>7463400
use a proper sharpening stone... not onf of those unskilled lazy arse prop, sold at incredible high price for two pieces of chineese made ceramic on top of plastic.
>can't sharpen any types of blades, like thin ones, or meat cleavers
>useless if the edge of your knife is too much damaged
>fragile overall
FACT: This stuff is shit. get a whetstone an learn how to use it noob
>>7463782
that's what she said
>>7463782
Its a vice that holds the knife and two arms with stone paddles sharpen the blade. You can adjust the angle that the paddle sharpens at by a single degree and you can measure the angle of the blade touching the stone.
>>7463782
>It looks like it's just a vice.
You mean vise. And it's not just a vise, it has guides that hold the stones at a fixed angle so if you're too retarded to use a normal stone this will keep the angle fixed for you. It's a rather expensive gadget that "solves" a non-existent problem.
Professional knife sharpeners run businesses using the Wicked Edge.
>>7463798
>>7463795
Yeah, a vise, excuse me. And ah, okay.
>>7463790
That's when you execute stage S.
>>7463802
a proper cutler can sharp any knife razor-like with a common stone. as long as the grain allows it. that's how you recognize a "pro".
why barther with all those ultra expensive tools supposed to make shit easier? learn the job, do the job and do it well.
Why americans can't recognise handcrafting as it is: a proper mastery that allows you to do the best form any material with the most simple tools. its not complicated to handle, just practice and nothing would be hard enough for you.
>>7463782
>40 minutes isn't a long time.
It is compared to the 15 seconds a non-autistic person takes to sharpen their knives.
Swallowing the bait.
There's a middle ground between raping your knives with a $.99 plastic handle with two ceramic shards and going full autist with 42 stones of increasing grit alternating between water and oil. Just get a coarse diamond plate, a fine stone for touching up and a steel. Aquire further gear along the way or don't.
>>7463845
You must be new here. Logic and reason has no place on 4chan.
>>7463845
finally someone that makes sense
>>7463845
Yes two stones at 15 minutes each, and you have your "relaxing" half hour autistic ritual. So sensible!
Meanwhile using a ceramic sharpener puts a perfect edge on a knife in less than 5 seconds.
But it's not bushido enough for a true weabo chef.
>>7463845
The Wicked Edge paddles have diamond stones. And then you can also get ceramic paddles or leather ones for stropping with micron sized compounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzL41ygQG0o
I am such an autist that I check my edge with a microscope to see how the sharpening progression is going.
The scratches get smaller and smaller as you go down in size from each set of paddles
>>7463865
If it takes you 15 minutes x 2 to sharpen knives with a stone then you're doing something very wrong.
Last weekend I pulled out my stones (3 different grits) and sharpened 6 knives. I was done with all 6 in less than one 30-minute TV episode I had playing in the background. I do this about twice a year. Otherwise it's a quick (just a few seconds) touch-up with a steel aka "honing rod" for you autists out there.
>>ceramic sharpener puts a perfect edge on a knife in less than 5 seconds.
Perfect? Not even close. More like "barely passable" and then you have to do it again three days later.
>>7463902
This guy knows more than you and says it's 15 minutes per grit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTKV5-ZSWcE
Sounds like you've just been dulling your knives by doing it wrong. That's pretty sad, autist! Maybe you should use a ceramic sharpener.
>not using the edge of a coffe mug exclusively
I am a cook and I used German Forschners for many years and sharpened them with a Norton Tri Stone.
Yea it works and yea it takes some free handing skill.
But I have upgrade and now I have a two thousand dollar set of globals and I use the wicked edge to maintain them.
>>7463965
What a shit video.
>>7463986
Aren't Forschners made in Switzerland by Victorinox?
>>7463412
>japanese
every hunter in my country knows how to properly sharpen a knife and this plastic shit is not the proper tool, you fag
>>7463965
>This guy knows more than you
>Calls a whetstone a wet stone
>>7463996
>my country
are you the king?
>>7463965
>soaking the wet-stone
>wet-stone
what a fucking rube
>>7463996
suomi?
>>7463993
>Forschners
Its German steel from Solingen made into knife by Swiss Victorinox.
I use Japanese water stones from a sacred cave near Mt Fuji
![61415287[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Re6on40.jpg "61415287[1].jpg")
>>7464189
>I use Japanese water stones from a sacred cave near Mt Fuji
>Not collecting irradiated rock from the shore of Futaba Town.
Pleb
>>7463832
An Apex clone is actually a lot cheaper than buying normal stones. Simply because they can use so much smaller stones.
>>7463443
making them smaller is literally what sharpening is you retard
>>7464056
>i am n-n-not an autist
>throws and autist tantrum about spelling
>>7464020
>>7463400
Do I also need a honing rod if I'm using this to sharpen?
>>7463519
>wetstone
You seem to be an authority and a paragon of sharpening knowledge.
Tell me more.
>>7463445
>I get my knives sharpened professionally every couple of years or so
Jesus christ /ck, sometimes I just...
>wasting your money on something useless
>not autistic
>>7464664
I'd say a hone is worth it no matter what sharpening technique you use.
A hone straightens a microscopically folded or bent edge. If you look at the image of the ceramic sharpener, you can see the edge is going to fold and buckle a lot more than the factory edge or the wicked edge.
If you're using whetstones or a wicked edge, a hone lets you go longer between hour long sharpening sessions.
>letting your knives go blunt in the first place
>>7464674
Elaborate.
any non-meme responses?
can i effectively use a whetstone after watching a few youtube videos or am i better off finding a professional in-town?
can i use the gadgets that i just run the knife through? i'm not a professional chef. will it make my home kitchen knives more effective?
the consensus seems to be that honing rods should be used regardless. i'll pick one up later.
My muramasa is so sharp that it that I have to spill blood with it before i'm able to put it away
>>7466068
>can i effectively use a whetstone after watching a few youtube videos
Of course. It's not hard at all.
>>can i use the gadgets that i just run the knife through
Yes, but they don't do a very good job.
>>will it make my home kitchen knives more effective?
Depends on what you mean exactly. It's better than doing nothing, but it doesn't do as good a job as sharpening with stones.
>>honing rods should be used regardless
Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm53mCOQTR8
can I sharpen my kitchen knives with a tool like this?
>>7463421
>>7463439
>>7463400
Professional cook here Op. In my knife roll for work I keep 2 pull sharpeners. Both by Smith's, one is large and does standard, santuku and scissors, the I have a tiny one I keep in ky pocket for when I loose track of my roll during shift.
To put a good working edge on your knife when you are busy it works well. At home I use a steel or file. They work, most working kitchens I havr been in have a bunch of them floating around.
I like my whetstones. Personally I find the act of sharpening my knives cathartic, but I also like cleaning my guns and reloading so maybe I just like repetitive tasks that I can do while zoned out slightly.
>>7466068
http://www.amazon.com/Goplus%C2%AE-Professional-Kitchen-Sharpener-Fix-angle/dp/B009OAZEIA
>>7467344
The picture has a knife on it, what do you think? Will be a hollow grind though.
>>7467488
Chinese also have an all steel version of that, they also put an elevated knob on the rod holding the stone so your hand isn't in the same plane as the blade.
http://www.banggood.com/Profession-Kitchen-Sharpening-Tool-Scissor-Knife-Blade-Sharpener-Tools-With-4-Stones-p-1006019.html
>where is this order?
HOLD ON CHEF GIVE ME 40 MINUTES, JUST GOTTA SHARPEN MY KNIFE
Just got one of these and sharpened my knives with it. Took 20 minutes and very little skill.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0018RSEMU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00
>>7469043
It's a shame they don't just make the guide replaceable and make them with different angles.
>>7469027
How assblasted were you when you destroyed your knife on one of those shitty Ronco sharpeners?
>>7469072
That's probably how they do it on the selectable models, but honestly I feel no remorse with my decision, I don't sharpen my knives that often and I don't see a problem with a thinner blade.
>>7469043
20 mins to sharpen a knife! Holy shit I just put the kitchen back on every order. Sounds nice but is in no way practical in a working kitchen. Only home cooks do things like this.
>>7463519
>3 hours
Nigga what? Maybe if you're making an edge out of sheet metal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okv6N7KfR6A
>not having a grindstone in your kitchen
>not just buying a new set of knives
poor plebs ITT
>>7469072
Look at the Work Sharp sharpener, it uses belts and has different angles. Its great, especially the Ken onion version
>>7463400
To be honest my problem with that type a sharpener was that it would get the knife sharp but I could easily destroy the edge of a steak knife cutting steak. It seems that those type of sharpeners somehow put a fairy fragile edge on the night and you have to do it so often that's not efficient.
>sharpening your knives
i've been using dull knives all this time. fuck you nerds.
>>7463564
That looks comfy to sleep in.
Actually nevermind.
>>7469729
I know why people say "a blunt knife is always more dangerous" but I've never been hurt by a blunt knife. I was washing up once and was confused by the appearance of a red slitty "eye" on my hand until a few seconds later the pain arrived and realized what had happened
>not just using one of these
>>7469752
that's what I use and it never failed me.
>>7469752
That is for honing
>>7469769
It's a meme stick, it does nothing.
What the fuck hell is wrong with you all?
I'm a chef and I sharpen my knives on a stone. It takes me about 6 minutes to do all of them.
Fuck off with your sperg thread.
My roommate's father, a marketer for an engineering firm, who has killed an animal on every continent, is manlier than the two of us put together, and who has the sharpest kitchen knives I've ever seen, uses an electric knife sharpener.
That was good enough for me. I got a Chef's Choice and I stopped worrying about it. Got them sharper then I could ever do with all my bumbling and fucking around with a Spyderco Sharpmaker.
>>7469796
Like anything else, some people sperg out and make things far more complicated than they need to be.
>>7467442
kek
saving this one
>>7469778
>it's a meme stick
You're a fuckstick.
>>7469778
that's what yer mum said and then she had you
>>7463902
So your sharpen every 6 months and hope it stays sharp all that time, while ceramicbro can sharpen it every time he uses if he wants because it takes 10 seconds?
the knives my crew uses need sharpening on a nearly weekly basis and are completely fucked after 6 months or so of use.
not because they are really shitty, which they are, but because they get used so much.
>>7470640
This is normal.
Kitchens get their knives sharpened on a belt grinder and its really hard on the knives.
It grinds away the steel.
It also leaves a wire edge which sucks and cuts into the cutting board.
>>7470624
No, you don't hope it stays sharp. You sharpen every 6 months but you HONE often to maintain the edge.
>>7470711
Duh, we use steels in kitchens.
They still get dull.
>>7469778
my parents have an incredibly cheap IKEA knife that is easily 20+ years old by now. my dad is using such a meme stick on it on a regular basis and the thing still cuts without much issues.
>>7463400
I dont use those
But then again,I never sharpen my knifes,I just throw them out like a normal grown up.
Seems like you're the real autist here OP.
>>7470699
Really upset theres no sonic oc in that picture.
>>7469752
True chef
>>7463459
I can get a mirror polish with this $30 kit and a leather strop in 20 min
>>7472069
Autists spending 20 mins on a task that should take seconds. Home cooks truly are dumb.
>>7472118
I wish I had that microscope blade closeup off different types of sharpening to post for this instance.
Shears are shit and usually not the right bevel level. Beats electronic roller shears, but not nearly close to real sharpening.
>>7463400
For German steel yes. But this does ruin the blade quickly. I use a whetstone. 250 and 1000 grain.
>>7469277
Why aren't your knives sharp going into service? You're that fucking retard who does laps to the walk-in and back because you're shit isn't ready.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im2IeQ4XpN4
>>7464056
>>7464020
If Ja/ck/ calls it a wet stone, then a wet stone it is
Question
if you are all so worried about your knives losing their edge, why not get Ceramic ones? (Or even Obsidian)
Whats wrong with a good old fashioned steel rod?
>>7473786
1) ceramic knives still get dull, just not as quickly as steel knives. And when you do need to sharpen them it's impractical to do at home.
2) they only exist in relatively small (short) blade sizes. That's fine if you need to mince some garlic but they're far too short for many kitchen tasks.
3) They're useless for chopping anything firmer than a vegetable
4) They're brittle/fragile
>>7472439
No, knives get dull during work. Its not something you spend all that time on.
>>7473800
I see, I guess I will have to try and keep that in mind when I use mine, thanks.
But what about Obsidian? (I only know they are brittle)
>>7473841
Sorry, I've never seen or used an obsidian kitchen knife, though I have used obsidian scalpels in a lab setting.
I would imagine the exact same concerns would apply to obsidian knives as ceramic: both are a hard brittle material so I would think the concerns are the same.
>>7473841
Aztec Jaguar warrior detected
>>7473804
Why isn't your shit prepped before the rush. And how garbage is your knife that you need to actually sharpen it in the middle of a shift rather than hone it once or twice.
I got this at the dollar store and use it once a week on my knife. I run it under water for a second then swipe the knife about 10 times on each side. I can cut through veggies and stuff just by pressing down so I guess thats good enough.
>>7473796
Honing =/= sharpening
>>7473887
You should be using a honing rod weekly and the stone less frequently.
>>7469752
you gotta get a smooth one that isn't for filing.
>Spending 3 seconds on a task that should last 2 plancks
>>7476440
>Gordon Ramsay
nah.
>>7465075
You should get them sharpened way more often than every couple of years. Where I work, granted it's a restaurant, we have our knifes sent out to be sharpened weekly. For my home knifes, I do it about once a month.
There is literally nothing wrong with paying some guy a dollar to sharpen it on a wheel. He also does ice skates. On the same wheel.
I have to sharpen a lot more than just kitchen knives. So I guess I'm autistic.
Is there anything wrong with just using an electric grinder? I have one and it works just fine, really makes a noticeable difference. It's easy to use too if you know how to properly angle the knife.
>>7476510
Nothing at all. It may take off a little more material. Not a problem if your blade is monolithic.
>>7463400
But I have two of the other kind already
>>7473866
Not following well are you? I previous posts in this very thread I talked about using a file and steel at home. Knives do get dull during shift and need to be sharpened. I don't know how much veg, chicken, pork and beef you are going through in your shift or if you are just a home cook talking from zero experience. Also, I use the white handled 19 inch Restaurant Depot chef knife.
>>7463832
Because who wants to spend hours and hours on a mundane task? It's incredibly autistic to put so much value on making cutty things cut more
>>7477173
>> It's incredibly autistic to put so much value on making cutty things cut more
Agreed. But I think you'll find that everyone has something they focus that much on. Maybe it's playing the guitar. Maybe it's vidya games. Maybe it's hand-washing their car. Maybe it's facebook. But pretty much everyone has something they focus on more than necessary.
That being said, you don't have to spend ages or have a massive collection of stones to sharpen knives. It only takes a few minutes to do a really good job.
>>7477058
I've been a chef for 20 years and never have I ever felt the need to sharpen a knife in the middle of a shift.
>>7463489
only autistic math nerds would not consider 229 close to 250
