So has anyone on /ck/ tasted authentic, Japanese Kobe beef? Does it taste that much different than normal American beef? If so, is it worth the price?
>>7458824
Dangerous beef
>>7458824
It's no better than canadian prime rib
>>7458824
When you get authentic Kobe Beef it is one of the best meats when prepared slowly so that it keeps that super soft texture and it is amazingly flavorful but can pick up flavors nicely
I have eaten Kobe meat last month in a restaurant specializing in meats. (colonelbrussels.com)
From memory, it was pretty expensive: € 500 per kilo for a Kobe tenderloin.
In fact, they (the restaurant) served it as a tasting between the entrance and the main course. VERY tender, but not as tasty as I thought.
On the same evening, I then had the chance to eat a piece of matured Rubia Gallega.
Man, this was the best meat of my life so far. Incredibly tasty AND also tender. Juicy, strong... can't find words enough.
All in all, I would put matured meat a step higher over Kobe beef.
Just my 2 cents
>>7460773
>in-house butcher
So was it actually Kobe or just "kobe"
literally meme steak
>>7460891
Given the price it most likely was. "Kobe" as you put it is nowhere near that expensive.
>>7458824
I have. It's different. I've had Japanese A5, Aussie wagyu and an American wagyu. They were all really great. Soft enough that I didn't need a knife to cut them; just pushed through with my fork. But the price is nuts. If it wasn't free I'd never had tried them.
>>7460904
Grades of beef are not meme's
For example Prime is not a meme.
Things being a meme is a meme.
>>7458824
I have. It was melt in your mouth tender but not as flavorful as I would have liked. For my money I kind of prefer the really richly flavored cuts (hanger, flank, skirt) from cows that have had to do a little leg work and been fed a nicely varied diet.
>>7459175
in japan they boil it
>>7460909
It may depend where you are, but the 3oz steaks that I had in a restaurant were a min. $116.
>>7461143
Wagyu is not a grade, including in Japan. It's not even an agreed upon term, even if you think it should be. There are grades of Wagyu in Japan, but Wagyu itself is a regulated term in Japan, as opposed to a grade.
Is usda prime the best you can do at a non-food expert price point?
>>7461933
The best you can do? Certainly not. It's the highest grade which the USDA provides concerning their particular criteria. Places that sell meats that go above and beyond that criteria are generally happy to explain or show the differences. Things like breed, feed, pasturing methodilogies, other differences in raising can lead to very different qualities. Best is a subjective concept, so learn what it is you want, first.
>>7458824
Due to the extremely low production rates, I highly doubt Authentic Wagyu & Kobe cuts of beef travel outside the border of Japan.. And if it did, -- to remain fresh -- it would need to be put on a plane in a refrigerated (not frozen) container which only adds $$$$$ to the already $$$$ price.
Also, as far as the US is concerned, since the USDA will not allow beef to be sold in the US unless it was prepared in a USDA approved processing facility you're not going to get it anyway.
webm unrelated.
>>7461933
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beef
then scroll down to the beef grades
>>7463788
>he thinks they serve gaijin real kobe beef
>>7458824
You need a real pic of A5 grade Kobe..
Wagyu or Kobe Beef are from Tajima cows.
Americans eat alot of Black Angus or other types of cow.
Its cheaper to raise a Black Angus compared to a Tajima cow.
This breed of cow known as Tajima has very good marbling. We dont grow many of them because its not economical to use this type of breed.
There are like four types of cow breeds that are used for Kobe beef.
Think of them like strains of Cannabis. The grower wants to take a strain that yields very good for the effort they put in.
But some growers only want the best quality with no concern for yield. So they grow OG's
>>7463769
No, webm related.
Joe Schmo is an expert on Jap meat.
>>7458824
I've heard kobe beef is kind of overrated, and there are better beefs in Japan.
>>7463769
I hear biden is a big pedo.
>>7458824
Even the regular wagyu beef you get at the grocery store is far better than American beef. Like a lot better. The super expensive stuff is great every so often but its super fatty so it melts in your mouth but its hard to eat more than a little bit
>>7463890
Some people say they like Matsusaka better but once you get to the really high quality A5 stuff its expensive and you're not noticing much difference between them
Looks too fatty for my liking, I usually prefer lean meat.
>>7463823
The marble says it all
>>7458824
Just go for wagyu instead. Same shit but cheaper.
Where does one even find wagyu? I'm in southern california.
>>7464562
Higher end butchers/butcher counters at higher end stores. Could probably order some online and have it shipped as well. Just use google to look for wagyu producers/distributors in your area.
>>7464581
Anything in between wagyuu and basic usda prime? Not really the kind of guy to spend $50 (random number I pulled out of my ass idk if it reflects reality) on a single piece of meat I'm cooking myself.
>>7464764
Not really. Just stick with Prime from the supermarket, maybe check some local specialty shops/butchers or farmers market and see what they have available.
>>7464776
>Prime from the supermarket
USDA prime at a supermarket? I'd like a pic of that.. BTW Prime Rib, is not the same as the grade "USDA Prime"
A strip of A5 Miyazaki Wagyu
>>7464783
Most, if not all good sized supermarkets with butcher counters have Prime grade beef.
>>7464783
The Ralphs closest to my house has usda prime ribeye. Nothing else though. Never looked anywhere else.
>>7464562
http://www.costco.com/D%E2%80%99Artagnan-Japanese-Wagyu-Boneless-Ribeye-Roast-A-5-Grade.product.100082950.html
>>7464878
I doubt I'm proficient enough with any cooking appliance in existence to make that purchase worthwhile.
>>7464892
You can find Burgerland Wagyu in Korean supermarkets.
>>7464903
Its $16. How much meat is that?
>>7458824
it's shit because it's mostly fat
>>7464996
lmao dumbass, the fat is what makes it good.
>>7464994
That's real wagyu since wagyu just means Japanese beef but that doesn't mean it's real Kobe.
>>7465028
This.
Wagyu comes beef is from specific breeds of cattle originating from Japan. They can be raised anywhere, not just Japan.
Kobe beef is Wagyu beef specifically raised in the Hyogo Prefecture in Japan.
>>7465018
>replying
>>7465048
No. Literally any beef from a cow raised in Japan is wagyu
>>7466873
not true, it's a breed not a cow from Japan
>>7466911
It's not a single breed.
There are four breeds of wagyu: Japanese Black (黒毛和種 Kuroge Washu), Japanese Brown (赤毛和種 Akage Washu or Akaushi), Japanese Polled (無角和種 Mukaku Washu), and Japanese Shorthorn (日本短角和種 Nihon Tankaku Washu)
Authentic kobe is from Australia is it not
>>7458917
i got some canadian prime striploins recently and they were quite surreal
How healthy is marbling for the animal? It looks like the muscle is screwed up with fat
>>7466911
Ass, I live in Japan. 和牛 means Japanese beef. Its on every single piece of domestic meat at every single grocery store. Japanese beef is general is far fattier than American and Aussie beef.
I had tons of Wagyu during my time in 'Straya which was delicious. So close enough.
Angus>Wagyu
>>7467232
oh you.jpg
>>7467232
>Literally 5 cent normie meat vs. patrician meat
Ayyy
>>7465028
Hence the quotations on the "real". I was implying that Americans think Kobe beef is the only real wagyu.
>>7460891
>>7460909
I have magical water that makes all beef tastes like Kobe beef. I'll sell it to you guys for 50 dollars per litre, but you have to use an entire litre per 500 grams of meat.
Trust me, it's way cheaper than Kobe beef, and it's better too. You just have to believe it's better, but apparently you guys have no problem with post-purchase rationalisation.
I was in Japan back in 2002, through a school exchange program. We spent most of our time in a small town some hours north of Hiroshima and enjoyed the rural life.
On the last day with my host family they took me to a small local restaurant and asked me what I want. I dared to ask for the beef steak.
No clue if it was Kobe beef or not, but by god the taste was completely out of this world. I've had beef in Germany, France and the US prior to that and this was just on a completely different scale.
>>7467062
They started to breed Wagyu in Germany and said they can't and won't reach the highest grades because they can only be achieved by what is considered unnecessary cruelty to animals.
Enjoying Kobe is all about choosing the right cooking method. Grilling is best, followed by other quick cooking dishes like hotpot or sukiyaki. This is the best way for the mild flavour and tender fattyness to be enjoyed.
Oh, also, never pay for Kobe that has been ground, ie: a "Kobe" Beef Burger. Grinding the meat ruins the flavour of the fat.
It's worth keeping in mind that the Japanese palate is different from the American palate, and different aspects of the meat are appreciated in each country. For example, many Japanese dislike the strong odor that normally accompanies red meat. Kobe does not have a strong smell.
>>7458824
It's very delicious, but the richness means a little bit goes a long way. Had kobe with Mike Tyson once, and he only finished half of his plate because it was too rich.
I've had it in sushi before also, where it's good, but again, even a small order can be too much. Very "melt in your mouth"
>>7469537
Fucking hippies.
>>7458824
it's good but it overwhelms.
>>7470064
Whats mike tyson like?
>>7458824
Had Kobe beef in Kobe. It wasn't really good, the cook made two steaks for 5 people, fried them in a shitton of fat with garlic, cut them into pieces and continued frying them until they were brown from the outside. The inside was still medium and tender, however I could barely enjoy it because it was so fat. As soon as I bit it, it released the fat, like a sponge. Two other friends had it as well, at different restaurants and they said the same.
Anyone got a picture of the cows this meat comes from?
>>7464581
>higher end
You can order it from a lot of places that aren't "high end". I really hope all you guys are just shitty trolls, but I see this stupidity repeated so much that I can't believe all of it is trolling.
>>7463863
>>7470985
He's a good guy. Not a huge conversationalist, and I'll be the first to say he was a bit intimidating to hang out with, but certainly friendly. He enjoyed the meal a lot, so I think that was probably the ideal context in which to be spending time with the dude.
>>7472531
How you'd end up having a meal with him? anyone else you've eaten with?
>>7464801
this is shopped
i can tell from the photo and having looked at quite a few shops in my time
>>7458824
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>>7464892
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>>7467205
Many American restaurants like to scam customers into thinking they sell real Japanese wagyu so Japan's beef producers created an association to try to prevent the scam from going further.
Here is a list of every American or foreign restaurant or distributor outside of Japan that serves or sells Kobe Beef (and other Japanese beef) and has gotten certified and authorized by Japan's Wagyu Association.
http://www.kobe-niku.jp/shop/?lang=1
http://www.kobe-niku.jp/shop/?lang=1&prefecture=&tag=3
Next time, you buy or eat Wagyu, check this list to see if you didn't get scammed or not.
Since someone mentioned California, only two restaurants have gotten certified in CA to proudly declare that they serve genuine imported Japanese Beef.
Alexander's Steakhouse-Cupertino
Alexander's Steakhouse-San Francisco
Also, these are the only Las Vegas restaurants that import in and serve genuine Kobe beef and other Japanese beef.
Bazaar Meat by José Andrés
MGM RESORTS INTERNATIONAL
Wynn Las Vegas
Also, picture related, any meat distributor or restaurant will now be encouraged to display this Japanese certification plaque as proof to customers that they are selling geniune Japanese beef.
So yeah, before you enter a steakhouse that claims to serve Kobe beef, check to see if the Golden Plaque is shown anywhere.
If not, then you should doubt that they are serving you genuine Japanese Beef.
This doesn't just apply to only America but every country outside Japan.
European restaurants that serve real Japanese beef are strongly encouraged by Japan to display this Golden Plaque as well.
So yeah, don't get scammed /ck/.
>>7460773
http://www.kobe-niku.jp/shop/?lang=1&prefecture=&tag=3
ROB GOURMETS' MARKET is the only place in Belgium that has proof of serving Japanese Beef.
>>7458824
"kobe" beef in the US is nothing more than a markteting term.
Due to protectionist trade restrictions we dont import any beef from japan, if you paid for Kobe in the USA, you got scammed.
>>7473278
Depends on what you paid. You're correct that genuine "Kobe" is not imported to the US. But what non-autists know is that in the US "Kobe" or "Wagyu" means that the beef is from cattle that is a crossbreed between domestic breeds and Japanese cattle. It's not as good as genuine Japanese beef, but it's still better than most domestic cattle. And the price is usually between the two as well.
Can't they just inject fat into regular cuts of beef for the same effect?
>>7469536
All regular wagyu you find in Japan is much fattier than Australian and US beef and much better. Pretty much all steak and yakiniku places serve wagyu unless they are all you can eat type places, then its usually American beef since American beef is so much cheaper.
>>7463769
lmao what the fuck Joe
Basketball players have steak endorsement deals?
>>7473293
>>inject fat into regular cuts of beef
The marbling is not the only part of the equation, anon. The real key is that the cattle are bred for flavor. That's in stark contrast to the vast majority of the beef industry worldwide where the cattle are bred for fast growth to market weight and maximum possible yield.
Also, the idea of adding fat to lean meat before cooking it already exists. It's called "larding". There are special tools for it, like pic related. It's a special needle for inserting strips of fat into a roast.
>>7472945
Thx for the link
At first I was scared that you linked me to a page beginning by "the DESIGNATED..."
>>7472939
I don't care about where its from, I care about the breed of cow.
Actually went to Kobe Japan to have kobe beef. It was good, but this was back when it was 86 yen to a dollar. It's definitely the kind of food you need to try if you're there, but of course too expensive
>>7463897
leave biden alone
his daughter died in a car crash
>>7458824
Had it on my trip to Japan last year. It was very tasty but not worth anywhere near the $200/lb or whatever the fuck it is. I've had angus ribeyes here in the States that were just as good.
>>7473540
>I don't care about where its from, I care about the breed of cow.
That's the point.
In Japan "Wagyu" means one of four domestic breeds.
Outside of Japan it means a cross breed between one of those and domestic cattle.
>>7474292
They have pure breeds, but limited stock so they have nothing to do selective breeding with. Part of the cross breeding will be for yield, part of it will be for quality.
What ends up giving best quality can only be determined with honest blind testing. Wagyu's Judgement of Paris moment will come if Japanese chefs allow themselves to be roped into it.
>>7474237
American true and free Black Angus > Japshit Wagyu Kobe Overpriced Shit
>>7474485
True, but what I meant was that when someone says "Kobe" outside Japan, it's usually a cross-breed cow. So location still matters.
Honest blind testing would be great, but I doubt I'd see the day that Japanese chefs would allow it.
>>7474583
Ignoring the taste, if it was crossbred, is it even considered to be wagyu anymore? Aren't the beef producers just watering down the definition?
>>7474591
It shouldn't be considered wagyu anymore considering this crossbred cow is neither raised in Japan nor going to adhere by Japanese raising methods.
Foreign beef producers are just shameless so that is why the term "American Wagyu" or "Australian Wagyu" exists these days.
>>7472939
>implying any of that is enforceable
Fucking weeaboo.
>>7458824
It's usually more tender because of the heavy marbling, but I wouldn't say it any tastier.
I've had Japanese wagyu in an upscale restaurant in Singapore. Both cooked and wagyu "sushi" which I'm assuming was raw.
Both delicious and very tender, needless to say my company changed our travel spending polices after I got back
>>7474204
That just means he doesn't have anyone to remind him that getting lewd with kids is wrong.
Biden puts the vice in Vice President. He's the reason Democrats are represented by the big D.
Yes. It's amazing. Beef was meant to be eaten with fat. It feels as if it melts in your mouth and has a taste of butter even if you don't add butter (butter is hard to get here)
I feel like I'm the only one in the world who likes a bit if bite in their nest anymore. None of this melt in your mouth shit, I prefer to chew. Fuck all this beef that is 75%fat cooked blue rate.
>>7475163
>nest
Meat
Fuck
>>7475163
just fuck off
