Coffee thread.
Discuss coffee.
If you don't drink coffee with milk/sugar, go fucking suck yourself you pretentious fuck.
>>7206534
So, you've never had a good cup of coffee. That sucks.
>be in London
>ask people where I could get coffee
>people tell me where the nearest Starbucks is
>find an italian restaurant
>order coffee
>"you have to order food sir, I can't just bring you coffee"
>actually go to starbucks
>it's pretty much just liquid desserts with a pinch of coffee
>at airport
>order a """""macchiato""""
>get a 3 dcl monstrosity
why are anglos so shit at coffee?
>>7206534
why is it cool to hate black coffee?
>>7206548
Come to Scotland. In edinburgh there is this small coffee shop called Wellington Coffee on the corner of George Street and Hanover Street. Best fucking coffee I have ever had.
>>7206552
because it was contrarian to like black coffee and now the pendulum is swinging back
nobody enjoys plain black coffee. they just think they look/ seem more cool and mysterious.
>>7206548
and where are you from?
go to one of these
>prufrock
>kaffeine
>department of coffee and social affairs
How do I get my moka pot to use all of the water I pour into it?
So far, it only uses about half. Pre heated or not.
>>7206568
>and where are you from?
The blessed crossroads of austrian, italian and turkish coffee culture
>kaffeine
I'll try to remember this one, shouldn't be too hard
>>7206555
>come to scotland, we have this one place
:^)
I made some idiot order a bulletproof coffee the other day. Morons are easily led, this chump proceeded to heave all over his Christmas shopping.
>>7206567
>they just think they look/ seem more cool and mysterious.
just because you think drinking black coffee makes a person seem "cool" and "mysterious" doesn't mean anyone else does
>>7206575
leave it on the stove a bit longer
if that doesn't help, you're either doing something unaccountably wrong or have a weird chinese ripoff that disobeys the laws of physics
And don't use too much water, usually up until the pressure valve is a good measure.
>>7206610
Thank you.
>>7206534
Honestly the only reason I drink my coffee black is to cut back on the sugar and milk...Literally prefer it with milk and sugar as well..I dont see what is so cool about black coffee
>>7206719
>cut back on milk
What are you, some kind of asian?
I know instant plebs probably aren't welcome here but this + Douwe Egberts are my two favourites
who /yuban/ here?
>>7206548
Why are you so shit at ordering coffee?
For the coffee connoisseurs on /ck/, is a very strong, sour taste desirable? I've been trying to drink strong instance coffee black but I can't get past how sour it ends up tasting. Am I just a pleb?
Sour = under-extracted. Your brew method is fucky.
>>7206889
It's like wine, there is no optimal taste, just drink what you like.
There are superior and inferior blends, obviously, but ultimately the characteristics of the flavour are down to personal preference and don't allow any pleb to tell you otherwise.
But really though, don't drink instant.
>>7206911
>there is no optimal taste
We have found the pleb. Sour = under-extracted.
>>7206917
I bet you're the kind of person that spergs out when people order red wine with fish.
>>7206921
Nah. Just a guy that thinks everyone should have a good cup of coffee.
reminder that black coffee fags deal with bitterness and act like it's good. no matter how you brew or which beans you use coffee is naturally bitter.
>>7206926
Bitterness means over-extraction
>no matter how you brew
It certainly does. You are why everyone is used to shit coffee because you perpetuate nonsense and your own failure.
>>7206552
It isn't. It's literally a few literal mega-aspies here that like posting funny tipped hats
>>7206933
>bitterness means over extraction
No it doesn't. Stop being a retard.
>>7206942
Why are you so proud of being ignorant?
>>7206933
even if you brew perfectly the coffee beans naturally have bitter causing chemicals
it's cool if you've grown accustomed to black coffee though
>>7206946
Do you honestly think it's funny to intentionally be more autistic and stupid than you already are? Do you just sit back and think to yourself "what am I doing with myself?
>>7206956
Wow, dark roasts and espresso are bitter! No fucking way! Anyone that actually enjoys coffee does not buy dark roasts and espresso is for dumb italians
>>7206924
Clearly not
>>7206926
*reminder that black coffee fags are mature enough to enjoy bitterness
>>7206969
>I can't read
What a surprise
Why don't you just go back to /tv/ already? I'm sure you'll be more entertained with shitposting there
>>7206971
Right, giving him the answer as to why his coffee is sour is not helpful at all, is it? How are you contributing to this thread, exactly?
>>7206980
I'm not sure that you read what you posted.
>>7206982
By clarifying when someone is being idiotic.
>>7206986
Please just leave already. What did /ck/ ever do to you?
>>7206993
Your screen cap literally says dark roasts are bitter because of the extended roasting and espresso is bitter because of the pressure used in the the brewing process.
>>7206889
>a very strong, sour taste desirable
Desirability depends on your palate.
Technically, sour taste is caused by a fault in the brewing process.
If you don't like it, then revise your brewing parameters, anon.
I've been drinking coffee for so long that it no longer has any effect on me, though I never feel like I 'need' it.
I drink it purely for the smell and taste.
No sugar, no creamers, no flavorings. Just a plain, simple black cup of brewed bean water.
I love the roasty bitterness, and the smell takes me right to comfy town, day or night.
scientist have actually figured out a way to deal with the bitterness and sourness of coffee. By adding a mixture of lactose and fructose they made it into something worth drinking :)
>>7207009
>adding a mixture of lactose and fructose
>not drinking it black as nature intended
>>7207004
iktf
>sit down for study with a cup of coffee
>drink coffee
>fall asleep
How about you drink coffee which ever way you enjoy it and not get irrationally upset about something that doesn't affect you?
>>7207009
>bitterness and sourness of coffee
Bitterness = Over-extraction
Sourness = Under-extraction
I am going to pound this in to your heads until you get it.
>>7206589
But a bulletproof coffee isnt that bad. Just paying for it is retarded, make it at home. I didnt think it was a luxuriant wonder miracle. Just a way to drink enough calories at breakfast to last me to lunch. I love fat and butter, so the taste was pretty good to me.
>>7207001
no anon, you not "supposed" to like bitter or sour coffee.
It's what all the patricians say.
You don't want to be bullied by patricians and be called a pleb, do you?
>>7207016
brewing/roasting perfectly just minimizes the naturally occurring chemicals that cause this taste why is this so hard for you to accept?
>>7207022
You're right. Good coffee isn't sour or bitter.
Cold brew best brew (at least for Florida).
>fresh beans
>coarse grind by hand
>put them in giant pitcher or French Press
>leave overnight
>strain it
>done
I put a splash of homemade chocolate sauce, a small bit of turbinado sugar, and either skim milk or coconut milk.
>>7207022
>You don't want to be bullied...
>Being beta enough to be bothered by such things.
That's even more pleb than adding dairy to your coffee. gb2starbucks
>>7207023
Why haven't you had a good cup of coffee yet?
>>7207016
*Over-Bitterness = Over-extraction
*Over-Sourness = Under-extraction
ftfy aspie
>>7207031
I have. Went to the black hole and everything
http://www.yelp.com/biz/black-hole-coffee-house-houston
>>7207030
what part of irony does your autistic brain have a problem with?
>>7207033
No, really, a properly made cup of coffee has none of those qualities. Why is everyone so adamant that shit coffee is OK?
>>7207041
Why do you keep shitposting? Does your childish mind seriously get a laugh out of this?
>>7207048
>shitposting
Says the guy spreading misinformation
>>7207054
No, really, how deranged are you in real life? This is literally what a kid does, mimicking the opposite of what an adult says
My mom used to work morning shift a long time ago, and I'd get up super early to hang out with her before work, and we'd have a cup of coffee together.
I didn't like it at first, but I wanted to feel 'grown up' I guess, and I learned to like it after putting in enough cream and sugar.
After so many years, I stopped adding cream and sugar, and now I just drink it black.
I''ve noticed how beer and coffee are the same like this, where no one really starts out liking it, but you learn to like it, and then it just becomes part of you.
>>7207058
You're hilarious. It must be quite nice being content with being dumb and ignorant.
>>7207059
I liked black coffee from the get go
Same with pretty strong IPAs
It's genetics and palate maturation.
>>7207064
I'm genuinely dumbfounded as to how you think this is funny. You must be going through rough times.
>>7207071
I'm genuinely dumbfounded as to how you are so serious. I think you forgot what website that you're on.
you two can stop posting now
>>7207071
>>7207076
>shitting up my comfy coffee thread
both of you fuck off
>>7207076
Ah, so you are going through a rough patch. Being frustrating to others and obtuse as a way to vent frustrations with your current tribulations.
My apologies. We've all been through that, how naive of me to think you were different from anyone else
>>7207077
I'll touch your clam if you want
guys, does anyone know how to make really thick turkish coffee?
Is it all just about adding more coffee and not letting the coffee silt settle down?
I know how to make the thin version, but never tried to do the thick one.
>>7207040
>I was being ironic, I swear.
Okay.
>>7207099
you gotta use heated sand
>>7207085
All threads are shit and dead without some arguing
>>7207105
can't I just like, use a đezva and a stove? :r)
>>7206548
Dude, there are fucking hundreds of cafes all around london. The clue is in the name, fuckwit.
Paul's for example have great coffee for a chain. Try them
>He actually judges people for how they take their coffee
>He actually thinks it's an accomplishment or show of status to drink coffee black
>He actually brags that he drinks black coffee
>>7207165
Literally no one does any of these things.
>>7206567
....or it actually tastes pretty good if you find the right roast and bean. Preparation method matters too. I won't touch anything made by a keurig ever again.
>>7207004
Same feel friend.
Coffee never had an affect on me so I can just drink it all the time and however much I want. Although I've had a break for a while to try a bunch of teas i bought
>>7207099
Have you tried adding coffee to hot water? Thats how I do it and I get a thicker cup. I also take some crema out before I pour coffee in so it doesn't disappear while the grounds settle
Why is everyone so obsessed with the way other people drink their coffee? I opened this thread thinking I would hear about other peoples coffee experience but all I see is bitching and whinnying.
I'm currently drinking some Tanzanian peaberry for the first time and I've got to stay that its almost like drinking hot chocolate but doesn't quite have the body of hot chocolate.
>>7207541
>whinnying
>>7207543
You know what I meant whining
>>7207548
Of course, but I had to give you shit about it.
>Christmas eve
>need coffee really bad
>so tired of Turkish instant coffee
>coffee place is a block away
>have to walk
>fuck, they're closed. Oh yeah holidays.
>Maybe Martha's Vineyard is open (next closest grocery place, three times farther)
>they're open. They're packed.
>Squeeze into the dry goods aisle.
>Coffee selection is practically barren.
>all whole beans, no preground
>choices are tiny bag $9 certified organic bullshit hippie beans or bigger bag $15 fair trade single source herpaderp beans
>audibly groan at being forced to buy organic
>if I die from E. coli you will all know why
>wait in line forever
>Can I get these ground please?
>oh sorry we don't do that anymore
>ffffffffffffffff fine
>go home and use crank-turn nut chopper and mortor and pestle to grind beans
>Good enough grind for French press
>actually it's pretty awesome coffee
That's my story about coffee today kids.
>>7207584
>purposefully buying pre-gound and not owning a grinder.
What a fucking pleb. Literally the best step up in coffee is grinding your beans immediately before you brew.
I drank basically a liter of coffee of various kinds today and I feel like I'm going to die. I'm not even a caffeinefag, I just like the taste of the good beans I buy.
>>7207593
I'd like one but can't really afford it. Maybe next Christmas.
>>7207611
You can afford $26 and a couple minutes of your time.
>>7207099
Are you not getting any foam with your brewing process? That's what really gives it the body you're looking for IMO.
>>7207617
I got one of these for christmas.
Grinding takes forever.
>>7207638
22 grams of beans (one 12oz mug) takes me one minute. Double that for two mugs and slightly longer for a full 1L FP.
>>7207643
Shit senpai, how fast you grinding?
>>7207638
If you're grinding for espresso then yeah it takes forever.
I have an aero press at work but can't seem to get it to taste right. No scale and pre ground (fine grind) coffee. Also not sure how hot the hot water dispenser is. Halp?
>>7207593
Family sent us pre-ground from a local roaster. It wasn't too bad. We'll have to use it up pretty fast though.
>>7207662
I grind at a six for my presses according to this guide:
http://fourbarrel.tumblr.com/post/283821195/easy-way-to-set-the-grind-on-a-hario-skerton
Zero is closed, then count each open notch that you turn. Also, mine is modded and I ALWAYS top my contact time at <4 minutes. Bitter shite is not accepted.
>>7207682
I meant like actually grinding, not the setting lol.
>>7207932
The grind setting makes a huge difference in the time it takes.
Lol.
Siphon or pour over? I want try cleaner brew methods because my moka pot and the press just produce too much sediment for my liking.
>>7206917
what does under extracted mean. i definitely know what you mean by the sour taste in coffee. i fucking hate it. i think my favorite bean or whateber the fuck its called is brazilian. it tastes good [spoiler]black[/spoiler]. whatd be strongest brew? drip+xbean?
>>7208022
>what does under extracted mean
The water wasn't in contact with the grounds for enough time.
ahh ok thanks anon
>>7208022
>what does under extracted mean
>>7208033
>The water wasn't in contact with the grounds for enough time.
adding: the water could be too cold or the grind too course or simply too old and has gone stale.
could also mean a lack of water pressure but i think the context is >>7208022
>drip
so water pressure isn't a factor.
basically extraction has three phases: sour, body, bitter.
if the brew is underextracted then you're only getting the sour part.
Mexican "café de olla" is my favorite. Is usually thick and has a nice subtle cinnamon smell and toasty flavor. I drink it either black or with milk ("lechero"). I really wish I knew how to make it at home in the US :c, although I found this instant variety in a hispanic market and I think is alright :)
I received a bag of whole bean coffee for christmas but I have no grinder for it.
Will I regret getting this grinder?
http://www.amazon.com/Hamilton-Beach-80335-Fresh-Grind-Grinder/dp/B005EPRFKO
It's the only one they sell in stores around here.
>>7208238
>Blade grinder
Yes.
>>7208238
>Stainless steel blades
Avoid it.
>It's the only one they sell in stores around here.
Then don't buy from stores.
>>7208257
What's wrong with it?
And what do you suggest?
>>7208238
It's not a grinder, it's a chopper, baby.
Burr or bust!
>>7208238
>Will I regret getting this grinder?
Probably.
Blade grinders tend to give you an uneven grind, so while most of the coffee will be ground to the right size there will always be some that's been ground way too fine or too coarsely.
It works in a pinch and it's good to have one around to grind spices I guess but I'd still try and find a decent burr grinder.
>>7208238
Just put it in a ziplock bag and beat it with a hammer or something till its all busted up
That'd work basically the same way right?
>>7208275
that article was so full of itself I have a difficult time taking any of it's advice seriously
is there any real taste difference between burr ground and blade ground coffee?
If it's an issue about that soot at the bottom of your cup, I'm already used to it.
>>7208335
Then carry on with your blade grinder.
>>7208345
Is that really the only reason to pay more for a burr grinder?
To avoid ground soot?
>>7207617
>10 seconds on a $10 electric grinder
>10 minutes on a $30 manual grinder
you might as well use a mortar and pestle, it takes equally as long and it might even give you the illusion that you're in control of your grind consistency
>>7208017
>moka
>produce sediment
Get/make more roughly grinded coffee, this should not happen
>>7207622
I'm getting all the foam I want, but not the thickness.
Tried it just now, with triple the does of coffee and a really slow and low simmer, with tons of foaming, but it's still really thin.
When I was in Anatolia, all their coffee was thick as fuck. Couldn't get any info off of them though, when I asked a guy at a more local kafana how he makes it, he just said "you heat the water, add coffee, that's it" like I'm some retard or something.
>>7208453
>$10 electric grinder
which one. i wanna cop
>>7208335
I dont know. I was in the same boat and honestly coffee pseudoscientists are the most annoying breed on the earth, they all think their opinion is fact because "it just makes sense if you think about it".
But i went ahead and got a hario burr grinder because if i am going to be spending ~14$ on 12 oz of coffee i better be getting the most out of it and people said use a burr grinder to get the most out of your coffee.
I brew with a chemex and and the only thing i have noticed since switching to the burr grinder is that there is less large chunks of coffee sticking to the sides of the filter when the water drains down. When i was using the electric blade grinder there would often be large chunks hiding in the otherwise medium course grind and they would stick to the sides of the chemex filter + float to the top when you pour water in. Does the coffee taste better? I dont think there is a huge difference but it helps me save a little coffee by promoting "more" even extraction of everything you grind
>>7206532
bought into the moka pot meme just last week.
similar but chinese knock off brand 3 cup one, when I got home with my bag of coffee grounds I quickly realised they were in fact whole beans, so now I also have a coffee grinder worth twice as much as the combined cost of the pot, milk throther, fancy pour cup, coffee and two new mugs.
holy shit though, freshly ground coffee is amazing, just so much flavour, like not just coffee, it's like you can taste everything from the earth it was grown in to the dew on the leafs.
>>7208777
We should end this bustelo + pilon meme. They taste like death itself (pilon less so), especially in a moka pot. They're only good as a cocaine-substitute.
>>7207010
Ah yes, the fabled Coffee Falls of the Andes. Where coffee beans fall right off the tree onto rocks for roasting, and then the local wildlife tips the rocks over a cliff and into some more rocks, and high-pressure water from a waterfall shoots through, creating natural and delicious coffee.
>>7208810
pilon is actually pretty nice out of a moka pot, same with an espresso machine.
>>7206532
If you don't own an aero press you have no business posting in this thread.
Just got an Aeropress and it always comes out really fucking bitter. I have tried steeping it for 10 seconds to a minute, using expresso grounds or drip grounds, using boiling water or water below boiling, inverted and normal methods.
What am I doing wrong?
>>7208967
>expresso grounds
That's the first problem.
>>7208960
Well fuckin' memed
>>7208978
I used expresso grounds and drip grounds and they both tasted like shit
where I live (but it's probably used everywhere) we have a recipe for a coffee that keeps you awake even if you haven't been sleeping for days, it's called >student's coffee
it's basically moka coffee brewed using other moka coffee instead of water (repeated a couple of times)
the taste is fucking horrible, but when you need that extra boost it's perfect.
I'm needing it a lot these days so I've been experimenting to make it less disgusting, condensed milk and various sweeteners didn't work, any ideas?
>>7209000
Caffeine pills
Or meth
>>7209003
caffeine pills have waaay less caffeine than that, trust me.
That shit has really dangerous amounts of caffeine, don't even think about it if you have heart problems
meth is too expensive senpai, i'm a broke student, tho I agree that having some before drinking it would definitely improve the taste
>>7209000
Why not just make it really concentrated and have it like a shot? Add some double cream to mask the taste and sugar.
The better alternative would probably just to get some more sleep though.
Does anyone have an espresso machine in the $100 range? Does it make a good espresso and do you like it?
>>7206869
>>7206534
I changed to white coffee on the recommendation of my dentist as my teeth were stained to fuck. I only occasionally drink black now as a rare treat
>that massive disappointment when you fuck up your coffee
God dammit. I don't even know what I did wrong, grounded my shit and brewed it for the same amount of time I always do.
I feel like whenever I drink coffee after 10 in the morning it always tastes like shit.
Got myself a Moka pot today. Is it supposed to yield a single cup of coffee? Do you water the coffee down with more boiling water? I could get about 3 cups out of a single brew in my press.
>>7209319
Just like french presses, moka pots come in sizes. Yours is most likely single serving, so it makes just the one cup. You don't water it down unless you're into that sort of thing, it should be ready to drink when it erupts from the moka fountain.
>>7209349
I see, thanks.
>>7209000
you can get pure (~) powdered caffeine pretty cheap in a pharmacy/chemical store
It's bitter as hell, but you can also snort it.
Still better than the monstrosity you're describing...
>>7208967
You fell for the meme, buddy
So a friend of mine bought me an iced coffee maker for Christmas. Do you reckon I could place a glass container of some sort inside it (I can't put the water reservoir on a different container, it has to click into place to work), turn it on and use it as a regular coffeemaker? I'd have to put a glass container on the inside as the jug you're meant to use is plastic. The only issue I can think of is that the reservoir wouldn't like the heat/steam since it's meant to just place the coffee directly into an ice/milk/etc mixture, but when you clean it out you don't put any ice into it and it seems to be fine. It isn't a very large amount of water though.
What do you guys think?
>>7209160
Delonghi EC155 is p decent, I like mine, just wish the area under the portafilter was taller.
>>7209493
You probably could but that doesn't mean you should.
I would just get a cheap moka pot, aeropress or hario v60, all of which are around $20 and will produce significantly higher quality coffee.
>>7209528
Why not? Do you think it would taste like shit or fuck up the mechanisms inside? He told me that this thing was really cheap but I don't wanna break it after using it a single time.
I've been thinking about getting a moka pot though, seems like a pretty good idea. I'll have to look into those.
>>7206889
Get an aeropress and go for dark roasts... You will thank me
Just got a French press. My coffee is coming out weak.
Been grinding 2 tablespoons of beans per cup of water. I bring a kettle to boil then letting it rest 1 minute to bring the temperature down.
Am I using enough grounds? Am I letting the water cool too much?
>>7209202
lol
Me and some people are planning on running pop up board game cafes at conventions (assuming we can get permission from them all, some are pretty resistant to having anywhere competing with their own food outlets), and are looking into getting a coffee/expresso machine.
Anyway, whats a good entry level model thats relatively affordable.
>there are people ITT who don't use a coffee siphon
you might as well drink instant with non-dairy flavored creamer desu
I need to know, what can I get at Kwik Trip on mondays when they have Karuba gold for $1 (reg $2.99) that isn't too sweet or too bitter, and is hot? And isnt just bitter coffee + milk.
I tried the hazelnut mocha today and its way too sweet. If nothing else I'll just have to remember to add some normal dark coffee to it at the 3nd.
> while I was there I thought about the people who designed the machine and wondered if they ever imagined designing a coffee machine for kwik trip when studying in college or wherever.
>>7209652
>expresso
>>7206567
Maybe this is a cheat, but theres a place in my town I love getting plain black coffee from, but I usually get a freshly baked cookie or scone to eat with it.
>>7206567
Is this what flyovers actually believe?
>>7208984
>expresso grounds
Are typically ground from shitty robusta beans. Unless the can or plastic container says "100% Arabica," then they're likely in there as filler in your drip grounds too.
I drink a single cup of black coffee every morning.
I then proceed to take a massive shit.
I could never drink more than that one cup every morning, I only use it for the bowel evacuation
Got a French press for Christmas and have been experimenting with different beans, my favorite so far is this Columbian dark I just got earlier. What is your favorite coffee?
>>7206534
extra chromosome
>>7210030
Ethiopia yirgacheffe is pretty good.
>>7210030
>What is your favorite coffee?
These Brazilian beans I get from my local roaster.
>>7206548
why are you such a retard that you could not find a cafe?
I only like drinking espresso, is there something wrong with me?
Starbucks coffee is overpriced and shit. It tastes bad when they make it and when you put it in your coffee maker. Dunkin Donuts is the best. I drink coffee black, and DD knows how to make good coffee
>OMG you gotta get whole bean and grind right before you brew!
>buy grinder
>buy whole bean coffee
>grind
>brew
>tastes exactly the same as preground folgers
>now i'm left with 5 different things to clean every morning instead of just one
wow thanks guys, that was so worth dropping 30 bucks on
What are some good store brands of coffee?
I'm not sure I'm ready to start visiting hipster local coffee roasting places yet.
>>7209622
If your coffee is weak it wouldn't hurt to try more grounds
>>7210170
>Having shit taste
>>7210177
the only acceptable answer
>>7206532
believe it or not I picked this up the other day and really like it.
>>7210244
does it taste like their restaurant coffee?
because that shit is burnt and nasty
>>7210177
Order online
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHGdnbe0s4s
Yooooo
>>7209000
Just drink another cup of moka pot coffee. No need to complicate things.
>>7210375
fuck me, did not expect it to come out that clean
>>7209622
A cup is 6oz so for every 6oz you want to use two tablespoons. A minute after you add the water to the ground give it a stir and let it brew longer. I like to let my grounds to steep for 3-3 1/2mins
My Grandmother has a coffee grinder like pic related from her youth. Something like this is just a sturdy burr grinder, right? I'm tempted to ask her for it since its just a display piece now
What's the recommended amount of coffee grounds in a French press per oz of water? I've just been using the scoop that came with the press since I don't have a scale to measure out the grounds. I usually brew a 12 oz cup
>>7210529
What tastes best?
>>7210529
I do 22g coffee to 370g of water for a 12oz mug which is roughly 17:1. Assuming you're talking about the Bodum scoop, it is 7 grams, so you'd want slightly more than 3 of them.
>>7210529
The instructions recommended 1 tablespoon per 4oz of water. I usually do somewhere between 2 or 3 tablespoons. The coffee usually tastes good, but I figure it could be better
>>7209656
>this kills the traditionalist
>>7210529
I use 17.5g for every 500ml of water.
I refuse to deviate from this little ratio because it took me a long time to get right.
>>7209656
this is like an omega hipster version of a french press, holy shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6cPahOAFCQ
>cleanup takes longer than drinking that tiny cup of siphon piss
>>7210529
My preference is 15g for 12oz. I've got the bodum 3 cup French press
>>7209694
Do you filter the water before boiling?
I believe siphon/vacuum brewing is essentially for show. To impress yourself or others if not for curiosity.
>>7209694
What the fuck are you doing wrong?
I have been using an aeropress for two months now and love it.
1. Set kettle to 80C
2. Grind beans while water is heating
3. Put ground beans in aeropress, inverted style
4. Pour water half way
5. Stir for ten seconds, let sit for total of 30 seconds
6. Pour rest of water, let sit for total of 1 minute 30 seconds
7. Press for 30-60 seconds
8. Clean aeropress
9. Add a splash of water to coffee cup
10. Enjoy
>>7210608
Oh and of course the water is filtered.
>>7210090
Too obvious anon.
>>7206575
Its not supposed to.
>>7210177
Lavazza is great store-brand standards; and even my shitty c-town carries it. Illy is probably just as good too but I haven't had it. Community Coffee and Chock Full o' Nuts are probably drinkable.
>>7211511
There should only be a small amount remaining: whatever is left under the funnel (with the grinds). Not half of the water you pour in.
>>7207099
Add coffee to hot water
when it begins to rise take it off the heat
return to heat
let it rise again and remove from hear
return to heat
let it rise again and remove from hear
Then pour.
Spices like cardamom are traditionally added.
>>7209622
I use Bodum's recommended ratio and it's solid for me. I use 21 grams of coffee and about 290 grams of water; so roughly 1:14 ratio. Other people online recommend 1:16 and 1:17 ratios, but it's a bit weak to me.
A tablespoon of coffee is roughly 5 grams if you don't have a scale.
>>7206575
The tube on the base of the funnel act like a straw and can't suck water up if it's not touching water.
If it's submerged in water and still not sucking the water up then it's either not hot enough or your grind is too fine and blocking the filter. When the grind gets wet, if it's too fine it will fuse into a solid clump. Does the safety release valve activate? Does the water slow to a slight trickle before stopping? Are you using a flat blade chopper/grinder?
>>7207128
Turkish coffee uses a Ibrik
>>7207663
You shouldn't be using a skerton for espresso. Bare minimum is a Lido
>>7207682
If you are grinding for FP in a Skerton then you should really get the Orphan Espresso upgrade. The burrs wobble and don't grind evenly at that coarseness.
>>7208017
I would say the Kalita Wave 155, its pretty cheap as are the filers and don't have as much of a learning curve as the V60 or Chemex
>>7208022
Extraction is based on several factors, grind size, temperature of water, and amount of time in contact with water being the main ones.
Capresso Infinity and Baratza Encore are considered bare minimum electric coffee grinders. If you don't have the money for that then look into the zassenhaus, porlex, and hario grinder.
>>7208484
Probably not grinding fine enough. It needs to be even finer than espresso. Use darker beans as they are more oily
>>7209160
No such thing exists. Your cheapest option is to look for a used or refurb gaggia. Its also important to remember that, especially with cheaper machines, your grinder is very important. Be prepared to spend at least 200 if willing to grind by hand or $400 for an entry level espresso grinder
>>7209521
By the time you do all the mods a 155 needs to actually produce real espresso you could have gotten a real espresso machine.
>>7209622
sounds like you either need to increase the grind size or your brew time but only one of those. It could also be that you aren't using enough. 15:1 is a good place to start
>>7209980
No the aren't. Many espresso blends do contain some robusta but generally 5% or less and almost never more than 10%. Also don't buy coffee in plastic or a tin. Its long past stale.
>>7210030
Yemen Mokka from Happy Mug at the moment
>>7210041
Thats and overly general statement.
>>7210517
It really depends on the exact model. Hario has a cannister grinder like that with ceramic burrs that is pretty decent.
>>7210529
15:1 is the baseline
>>7210608
80c is way too cold. You want your BREW temp to be 175-205 not your prebrew temp. You also only want to add 200% water by weight for your bloom. You also make no mention of grind size which is critical for coffee recipes.
>>7208351
Imagine using a flat blade grinder to chop up ice. Ignoring the fact that the friction will melt the ice, if it didn't then you'd get a bunch of different sized rocks of ice and if you put that ice in a seive and submerged it in water for a few seconds the small tiny rocks will melt instantly while the larger rocks will only melt a little bit. If it was coffee then the small pieces will be over extracted and bitter while the larger pieces will be under extracted and sour. Plus the friction of the flat blades will burn your coffee so it will all taste horrible.
Grinding means crushing, not chopping. This is why the only true grinders have burrs, not blades.
>>7210177
The only store brand worth buying is Peets. They are the only one that put an actual roast date on the bag instead of just a sell by date. Get the freshest one available.
>>7211542
Make 2 cups of coffee, one from blade ground coffee and another from burr ground coffee.
Can you tell the difference?
>>7211547
Definitely.
>>7211527
I think I was just turning off the heat too soon.
>Does the safety release valve activate?
Nope
>Does the water slow to a slight trickle before stopping?
Nah, I was actually trying to smooth out the sputter that happens at the end.
>Are you using a flat blade chopper/grinder?
Nope, Baratza Encore set to 13 (12 is recommended, but it seemed a little too fine). Maybe 13 is too fine?
Anyway, I got 6-cup moka pot to almost fill my 10oz cup to the 8oz mark. It was maybe 7oz with an entire oz left in the pot.
Even though I tried applying more heat, that extra ounce wouldn't come up the column. The coffee was still fucking good though.
So what is a cup of regular coffee made with a regular pot suppose to taste like? Like the coffee snobs definition ?
>>7211548
No you can't.
>>7211552
Bitter, overextracted and burnt.
Just go into any random cafe and ask for coffee.
It's going to come out of an aging industrial bunn drip machine.
>>7211552
Depends on the bean and the roast.
>>7211537
175f is 80c you fucking troglodyte.
>>7211552
Coffee isn't supposed to taste like Folgers, Maxwell House, etc. Which all taste the same.
>>7211550
>I think I was just turning off the heat too soon.
I think so too based on:
> I was actually trying to smooth out the sputter that happens at the end.
That sputter means the water level has reached the base of the 'straw' and the steam has started going up through that straw, which signifies the end of the brew.
If it's making a mess then I'm guessing you're keeping the lid up to watch it. Just keep the lid closed and listen carefully.
I don't have a lid on mine (took it off because it annoys me) but I'm usually standing by the stove ready to turn the heat off immediately. Never a mess.
>>7211555
So I'm not super coffee smart but I enjoy coffee smart. But I enjoy coffee so a medium blend with a regular coffee pot. Is what I have at the moment I'm not a fan of adding stuff sugar, creamer what would be my next step to making a good cup of coffee. What should I use? What is a good kind of coffee? Is there a way to make my coffee better with out buying a new machine? Sorry for all the questions just kinda new to it all in been drinking coffee for a while but mostly from dinners and what not. Had some from a French press once was not to bad. Thx for the info
>>7211537
>80c is way too cold
maybe it's just my autism but i don't know if it's a good idea to generalize like that. 94 C is good for most coffees but i've seen single origin coffees with a recommended brew temp of 82 C. they're not common but they exist. and tend to be fruity rather than nutty.
>>7211566
just get a french press
you don't have to change anything else, but the brewing mechanism of the french press means
the brew gets impregnated with more of the coffee oils, leading to a richer, thicker coffee than with drip.
It also gives you lots of control over brewing parameters so you can experiment.
>>7211566
get a aero press with a flat blade grinder and buy your beans from starbucks
Who else here is rummaging through the book "Coffee Flavor chemistry"?
Pretty dry and boring (Pretty much a chemistry textbook tobh), but full of information if you care about the compounds that give coffee it's distinct flavors.
Also who is /home roaster/ here? Seems like most people in these threads enjoy drinking coffee but don't roast. I'm personally trying to get back into the rhythm of roasting but since I left my old job at a local roaster, I haven't gone through the trouble of sourcing good beans.
I haven't fucked with sweetmarias since the credit card incident a couple years ago, and their greens were never as good as the ones my boss would let me have anyway :/
Isn't Starbucks a meme? Is there coffee better not just over priced name brand?
>>7211568
What kind of beans should I be looking at?
>>7211574
starbucks™ invented coffee and is an american institution.
if you don't like starbucks™ then you don't like freedom.
bullshit asside; starbucks is to coffee what mcdonalds is to fine dining.
mass produced commercial crap.
also, the meme press is a gymick and a flat blade grinder is an insult to coffee.
>>7211581
>meme press
it's literally the only non-meme coffee brewing method aside from drip machine.
Literally every other method of brewing is more pretentious or laborious, or messy or all 3.
>there are people who spend $40 on a porcelain pour-over kit just so they can do the work of a drip machine manually
>>7211583
This. Memeover fags are the worst.
Aeropress is the easiest way to brew coffee. It's like a French press but even easier and faster to clean. Really it's probably the best outside of an espresso machine.
>>7211589
FUCK off, fagfag.
I used to be bald, fat and ugly. But then I bought the MemePress 2000™ and turned into a wizard!
>>7211586
aeropress is nice, if you intend to drink a tiny shot glass full of coffee
aeropress is a meme
>drinking literal drugs
shiggity diggity 2016
might as well take energy pills u nitwits
>inb4 muh taste
enjoi ur stained teeth
I like the taste of coffee.
Whether I drink it black and chilled or mixed with brandy, milk and maple syrup or somewhere depends on my mood because I'm not an aut' who thinks in black and white.
End the AeroPress meme. For the love of God how do people see it as easier than a French press when it makes less? I have a 12 oz French press. When I used an AeroPress I had to add water to get it to even be 8 oz. Why do people insist that it's better when the default paper filter circles it uses leave out oils that a French press keeps? Even if you have an aftermarket metal filter it still has the "concentrate" problem.
>>7211651
post purchase rationalization
i get the same vibe from people who own electric burr grinders that cost over $100
>>7211654
>buying a <100$ electric burr grinder
Just buy a decent hand mill for a half to three-quarters of the price and enjoy the easy maintenance, better consistency, and longer lifespan.
no point shelling out for a good electric grinder (min. 200$ new) unless you're brewing espresso, or a large amount of coffee consistently.
>>7211695
>i spend 10 minutes grinding coffee every day
haha
HAHAHAHAHAA
>>7206548
I'm portuguese, used to make my own espressos (tweaking the water, amount of coffee and cut, etc) and I travel a lot. Never find coffee even close to what I make at home, it's always watery/sugary shit. I hear it's worse in 'murrica, where they drink coffee colored piss by the gallon.
>>7211697
it takes ~4 min to grind 60 grams of coffee manualy. if it takes you 10 min for one cup you are handicapped
>>7211737
This
I rarely grind more than like 25-40g on any given morning, and it takes about 1.5-3 minutes if I go at a pretty slow pace.
>if i can't press a button to make things happen then it's not happening
>>7210375
>sweden
>good for anything
>>7211535
>mod the ec155 to make REAL espresso
U wot
>>7210608
How much beans do you use? Do you just use the Aeropress scoop or do you weigh?
>>7211651
I endorse this product or service.
>>7211535
OK say I get the kalita wave. What am I suppose to drink this in? Can I put it on top of my thermos and just have it drip in it?
>>7211560
You didn't read what I said. 175F is the low end of the BREW temp. Heating water to 175F and then pouring it in is going to result in a substantially lower brew temp.
>>7211567
Right, but again that is brew temp. That is what temp you want the water while you are brewing. Heating water to 82C(you example) and then brewing is going to result in a much lower brew temp.
>>7211572
Don't buy a blade grinder, if you are strapped then just get a Hario Mini Mill or Skerton. Don't buy your beans from starbucks either. They are over roasted and stale. Try Happy Mug if you want good coffee that is freshly roasted but also cheap.
>>7211576
Depends on what kind of flavors you like. I would experiment a bit and see what you like.
>>7211595
I regularly brew 300ml cups with the aeropress.
>>7211804
Its not that hard. The ecc155 uses pressurized portafilters to give the illusion of espresso but it isn't. You can mod the portafiler to make it nonpressurized and bottomless but you still have to temp surf unless you want to install a PID too. Steam wand needs to be modded as well usually with a SIlvia want to produce decent microfoam but by the time you do all that you could have had a cheap gaggia.
>>7211893
When I use the aero I usually do:
20g med/med-fine grind
40ml bloom 45s 205F
260ml steep 60s 205F
30s press using a metal filter.
>>7213431
Yes, you can just set it on top of a mug.
>>7206567
lol except if people have had a good fresh delicious coffee you can enjoy it black. retards buying instant coffee and then claiming it tastes like shit black
>>7208967
>bitter
Are you using the basic recipe?
>18g coffee
>79 degrees celcius water
>>7213665
Whats wrong with pressurized? Never had a bad time with my EC155.
Also the steamwand is "ok," might take the frothing aid off though.
Plus I got it like $45 used.
>>7213719
>Not so for an espresso machine with a heated group.
Espresso is a completely different monster entirely and we both know that we were not talking about espresso at all. Nice moving the goal posts though. We were talking about brew methods like immersion and pour over and it that case, yes, it does.
>he fell for the meme press gymick
Yes, I have an aeropress, I also have a moka, phin, ibrik, Kalita 185, Chemex, French Press, and an Astra Pro. Whats your point? Its a good immersion brewer for ~$20 and great for people to learn on.
>>7213784
Pressurized produces faux espresso and just isn't very good in general. You can't control any parameters except grind size and even that is limited. If it is working for you though that is great but not something I would ever recommend to someone wanting to get into espresso. Its just got a lot of short comings. Pressurized basket, single, small boiler, steam wand is pretty much unusable if you want a proper microfoam, small water reservoir, you have to temp. surf, etc. The portafilter mod is easy enough to do yourself and will greatly increase the quality of your shot. I would definitely recommend it. Its a pretty good machine to learn on and play around with without too much investment(although definitely not worth the price new) but people wishing to get into espresso even casually would be better off to save a little more money and get a better machine.
