Why are you against GMOs again?
They only help people.
I once was in a shitty mood while working my cashier job and I made a comment about how organic food is a scam at that price. A woman retorted that as a toxicologist, she can confirm that it isn't.
Were apples grown at the time of the crusades organic? I don't know, but the poorest fuckers on the planet could somehow find a way to get an apple. Now an organic apple that's "better" are two for $3.50 and it's bullshit.
Anyway GMOs are fine because Golden Rice. Like alternative energy, it's about kingpins and money.
they have strains that are so closely related that if one plant is weak to disease of pest or weather the whole crop is lost and gmo companies are so large that crop failure and yeild can be guessed and market price and investment and reaction guessed to the point where the economic math is manipulate-ible.
I'm not. I'm against the overuse of pesticides and giving control of the global food supply to one company.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/may/29/gm-hybrid-fish-threat-natural-populations
some gmo plants crosspolinate with non gmo, or as gmo becomes more animal and less plant outright breeds the odd gene that makes it marketable in the store but undesirable in nature or other crops.
also one of the major suppliers of gmo have farmers by the balls http://web.mit.edu/demoscience/Monsanto/about.html
and while positive things can be associated with gmo be assured the underlying whoopies and unattended to dangers will not get the headlines because of the weighty power of these companies and the short attention-span of a public unwilling to invest effort into its opposition http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/03/03/genetically-modified-mosquitoes.aspx
>>7097111
>manipulate-ible
Oh dude...
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>>7097164
You're stupid.
>>7096778
>I'm a broken human who will take ANY attention I can get.
>>7097112
And which company is that?
inb4 Monsanto
https://www.quora.com/Monsanto/Is-Monsanto-evil
>>7097130
see
>>7097183
>A lot of folks don't like that farmers aren't allowed to save seeds from GMO crops. Well, farmers also can't save seeds from patented organic or conventional crops either. Or from hybrid crops (seeds from hybrid crops don't tend to breed the desired traits reliably).[17][18] But I grew up in a farm town, and I've never met a farmer who wants to save seeds. It's bad for business. Seeds are one of the cheapest parts of running a farm.[19] Farmers who save seeds have to dry, process, and store them. Farmers who buy seeds get a guarantee that the seeds will grow; if they don't, the seed company will pay them.
>>7097068
>Two for 3.50
Bullshit. I can get 5 for 2 bucks. A dollar a pound.
And you have a problem with the unscrupulous greed and wrath of capitalists and exploiters, not the cost of a good apple. There are too many people.
>>7097188
>People say that Monsanto is evil because they sue farmers for accidental contamination of their fields. I looked, but I couldn't find any court cases of this. I did find court cases where farmers denied stealing seeds and said it must be contamination, but in all those cases, a jury or the court found they were lying.[20][21] (If someone inspects your field and 98% of the plants growing on it are a patented variety, that's not accidental contamination.)
>>7097192
these cases caused them such pain that they paid out of court and gag ordered or paid for silence.
>>7097188
this is your experience, not necessarily the world at large.
>>7097210
>paid out of court and paid for silence
Did you miss the part about
>all those cases, a jury or the court found they were lying
>>7097211
I'm not a Monsanto shill, just tired of people spreading bullshit and lies about GMOs. When fucking Whole Foods makes the same amount of money as Monsanto but I don't see anyone complaining about how they're some "evil corporation" and making up lies about them either.
>>7097212
That isn't that guy's experience, he has sources that he cited in that article, those are what the numbers are. Go to the article and look.
>>7097218
You seem awfully upset for someone who isn't a Monsanto employee.
>>7097220
I don't like retarded hippies
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>>7097223
Corndogs have REAL DOG GENETIX
GMOS BTFO
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>>7097223
don't let these guys derail the thread from actually pointing out valid issues with gmos. like loss of genetic diversity leading to crop susceptibility, economic manipulation, environmental disaster, and monopolies.
>>7096778
most people on here have no experience with science, mostly chem. its bs for the most part. /ck/ would claim organic more than inorganic without having a clue what it all means.
if i werent so drunk right now, i would have probably cared enough to bother an arguement, but im not doing that now.
>>7097235
I'm a liberal and I live in a super liberal area. I just don't like hippies that are retarded, I deal with them a lot. I live in Portland, OR.
>>7097239
Okay link some sources then to back up your claims.
>>7097241
That is pretty much how I feel most of the time so I just link them to that article where the guy took the time to cite all his sources and shit. That's as much effort as I'm willing to put in.
>>7097249
http://www.iaea.org/inis/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/35/002/35002623.pdf#search=%22nutrition%20engineered%22
>>7097256
Your link doesn't work
>>7097262
copy\paste
http://www.iaea.org/inis/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/35/002/35002623.pdf#search=%22nutrition%20engineered%22
>>7097262
>Your link doesn't work
worked fine for me. your browser must be shit
that makes you a pleb
how embarrassing
>>7097272
I'm using Firefox because I'm not part of the botnet
>>7097270
I gave in to the botnet to read it. What you linked is in favor of GMOs, it was at a symposium that was in favor of them and was talking about how people protesting them has set back medical development for needy countries and animals.
https://books.google.com/books?id=68SaDOL58qUC&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=FAO/IAEA+INTERNATIONAL+SYMPOSIUMON+APPLICATIONS+OFGENE-BASED+TECHNOLOGIESFOR+IMPROVING+ANIMAL+PRODUCTIONAND+HEALTH+IN+DEVELOPING+COUNTRIES&source=bl&ots=ArCTD6EFSN&sig=czZIFpam6UyVLmHm-S1k1R2KLJs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjh24W6gKPJAhUBImMKHYSkC-QQ6AEIMjAD#v=onepage&q=FAO%2FIAEA%20INTERNATIONAL%20SYMPOSIUMON%20APPLICATIONS%20OFGENE-BASED%20TECHNOLOGIESFOR%20IMPROVING%20ANIMAL%20PRODUCTIONAND%20HEALTH%20IN%20DEVELOPING%20COUNTRIES&f=false
>>7097290
wow coulda just posted tldnr. no if you read it it points out all of what i am saying coming from the mouths of scientists. it is cleaner in the fact that its goal is not so much for or against as condensing ideas and goals for other groups of science moving forward. it is a bit of inner dialog, not generally edited and condensed for public digestion with sensitivity, and unbiased in that.
>>7097302
I'm sorry but I'm not willing to read all of that. Just post some quotes or something.
>>7097302
and even unbiased as i say or 'in favor as you say' much of it points to the possible tilt to disaster
>>7097308
>>7097312
I don't care one way or another if you think Monsanto is evil, I'm not willing to put free time in to convincing you otherwise. That's way more work than I'm willing to put in to this conversation.
>>7097317
heh laughing to hard to post properly
also lets appreciate for a moment the half-assed things gmo's have put out. like 'blue roses that are purple, melons that have empty spaces in them because they need to be pollinated more thoroughly than other types of mellon, gmo plants given to third world countries that have higer need for water than native versions and cannot be planted only eaten, meh.
>>7097405
After thirteen years of collaborative research by an Australian company, Florigene, and a Japanese company, Suntory, a rose containing the blue pigment delphinidin was created in 2004 by genetic engineering of a white rose.[4] The company and press have described it as a blue rose, but it is lavender or pale mauve in color.[5]
The genetic engineering involved three alterations - adding two genes, and interfering with another. First the researchers inserted a gene for the blue plant pigment delphinidin cloned from the pansy into a purplish-red Old Garden rose 'Cardinal de Richelieu', resulting in a dark burgundy rose.[4][6] The researchers then used RNA interference (RNAi) technology to depress all other color production by endogenous genes by blocking a crucial protein in color production, called dihydroflavonol 4-reductase) (DFR), and adding a variant of that protein that would not be blocked by the RNAi but that would allow the color of the delphinidin to show. If the strategy worked perfectly, in theory it could produce a truly blue rose. However the RNAi did not completely knock out the activity of DFR, so the resulting flower still made some of its natural color, and so was a red-tinged blue - a mauve or lavender.[4][7] Additionally, rose petals are more acidic than pansy petals, and the pansy delphinidin in the transgenic roses is degraded by the acidity in the rose petals. Further deepening the blue colour would therefore require further modifications, by traditional breeding or further genetic engineering, to make the rose less acidic.[4]
As of 2008 the GM roses were being grown in test batches at the Martino Cassanova seed institution in South Hampshire, according to company spokesman Atsuhito Osaka.[8] Suntory was reported to have sold 10,000 Applause blue roses in Japan in 2010.[9] Prices were from 2,000 to 3,000 Yen or US$22 to 35 a stem.[10] The company announced the North American sales would commence in the fall of 2011.[
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>>7097405
bet you've seen more of these in stores guys.
>>7097238
LOOKS TASTY
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>>7096778
I'm not, stop projecting.
>>7096778
>Why are you against GMOs again?
Not against GMOs, just don't want to eat that shit.
>>7099362
In other words you are against it. Why?
>>7097188
In the real world, farmers do save seeds.
Around here, if farmers couldn't save wheat to plant as seed the next year, there wouldn't be any wheat in the area.
In the case of F1 Hyrbird seed for things like milo and corn, the increased production is moret than enough to make it worth buying seed each year.
But for other crops like wheat, there is no reason at all to buy seed every year.
>>7099366
Same reason why I don't eat food from chain restaurants or companies like Kraft, Nestle, General Mills, Kellogg's, Tyson, Coca-Cola, PepsiCo and their ilk if I can help it. I value flavor and nutrition, not cheapness and corporate profit.
If you ever want to educate yourself on shilling tactics, make a GMO thread.
>>7099422
have you ever eaten corn?
>>7101065
Try to avoid it, along with meat and dairy.
>>7097239
These are the real issues with GMOs.
BIG FOOD GET OUT
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwiF_bX8j6fJAhVGlogKHSt7A4kQFggdMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.miaminewtimes.com%2Frestaurants%2Fhow-monsanto-is-terrifying-the-farming-world-6392824&usg=AFQjCNEUmD584RXVQYJzlxHCxtnqJFEi1g&sig2=ppDQ_N5LokeFa0X9ZCTtEA&bvm=bv.108194040,d.cGU
>>7102584
shit man trying to post this damn link
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/restaurants/how-monsanto-is-terrifying-the-farming-world-6392824
>>7102228
thank you
>>7102584
That farmer found some roundup ready canola in a field and intentionally used that seed for harvest the next year.
>>7103290
>The farmer found a crop growing and harvested it.
What a cunt. Monsanto were fully in their rights to shoot him under a summary execution for that sort of thing.
If we start letting farmers harvest stuff, what's next? Letting them choose what crops to sow? Where will it end?!
>>7096778
>OP actually expects people to take the bait
>>7096778
bump
