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OP will start here.
I'm looking to buy a new button maker. I have a old hand held manual one but I'd like one with interchangeable sizes and that is a bit larger/better quality.
OP, if you're going to make the AA thread, include all the resource links.
>How to order from Vograce
How well did you gulls do at your first con? I did my first con recently and only managed to make a couple of hundred dollars. I lost a lot of money so I'm thinking twice about doing my next con. Other gulls seem to do successful first cons. Is it okay to not do well at your first con? Should I just give up doing cons?
At my first con, I only made a few hundred. It was a pretty small con and it was better than I thought I would do, but I learned a lot and the experience itself was pretty valuable.
what kind of con was it and what kind of art do you do (style, fanart vs original, etc) ?
remember there are a hundred different factors that influence whether or not someone buys something at a con and you control like 3 of them (having the merchandise at the con, the subject of and the quality of your art)
Whining or legitimate gripes? I'm on the fence because I've never experienced these problems but they sound pretty serious.
I had prints, acrylic charms, standees, and body pillows. I had mostly prints and a couple of charms last year, so diversifying merch did help a bit! The bulk of my sales were still posters though. I do $15 per print, buy two get one free and most people would spend at least $30 at my table and just take three posters.
For me, Voltron, OPM, and My Hero Academia were the best sellers. My Overwatch print did decent, but not as well as I expected - the market was kind of oversaturated for that.
Not a lot of people make bank at their first con! In fact, breaking even is generally the goal you should set for yourself for your first event. At my first con 6 years ago, I made maybe like... $10 profit after costs. Now I'm pulling in $5~6k regularly at most cons. If you post examples of your art or table perhaps we can give advice on how to improve!
I know a few artists who experienced rudeness from/have been fucked over by AN, so while I don't have firsthand experience, the fact that so many people from different circles are complaining means that something is probably wrong.
Anyone else getting sick of people losing their shit when a dark skinned character isn't drawn in the exact shade the official art has?
Nobody gives a shit when a white character is drawn with varying shades of white, or so red it looks like a horrible sunburn.
I don't know anything about this group, but I can say that the one year I did table at AN years ago, staff was was rude enough that I felt no desire to return. Profits were only okay (if they were really phenomenal I might have considered putting up with the staff but it wasn't worth it to me).
do you have examples?
ive only seen some shit recently cause Reaper from Overwatch being drawn as white when rly he should just be an ashy-er brown
like 9/10 times, its people who just have shitty color sense/picking skills rather than people who are like 'i bet this character would look nicer lighter skinned!'
i sold three sizes of prints with a buy-two-get-one-free deal, charms, buttons and pouches.
i pretty much sold out of charms, but the profit margin is a lot smaller than my prints which didn't sell nearly as well. it was a little weird considering my prints were my top seller last year at the same con.
It was some overwatch stuff as well and yeah the thing that annoys me is the assumption that the intent was malicious and the artist a horrible racist rather then just shit at picking colours
I agree with that, but it's silly to see stuff similair to the whole Korra debate happen. I remember one artist getting a lot of shit a few years ago because people didn't understand the concept of lighting
That happens with Dragon Age fandom a lot. Like they get all butthurt if you draw Sera from Inquisition as white when she's like two shades darker in like two pieces of concept art cuz of lighting and white in the game. But they also think it's ok to make Vivienne, a black character, even darker than she is in the game for some reason. Luckily most people i sell DA art too are casuals and not the srsbizniz people on tumblr.
My first con (a one day con) I made lost money since I made the terrible mistake of letting a friend table with me, and that friend let some stranger behind the table who stole almost $100.
That was 2011. I went to the same con again in 2013, 2014, and 2015. From those years, I made: $90, $380, $503. Thats from a one day con. I'm also a crafter btw, so my number are sorta low simply because I use to keep a low inventory.
AX seems to always be hit or miss depending on your table spot. I can imagine that if you had one behind a pillar you were basically fucked.
I made about 7k last year and 14k this year, i have no idea how that happened. I guess i had an middling-okay spot last year, and maybe this year i had a really good one??
Not too well haha! I had like 4 prints, a few stickers, and a handful of buttons. I was lucky enough that I kept my costs down by sharing with a more experienced friend, plus Fanime is local for me. Don't worry about not doing to well your first time, you'll pick up experience and exposure, and continue adding to your inventory as time goes on.
My first time I split with a friend because she got the table for free and I made a grand total of $3. That was mostly due to the fact that I had shitty wallgreens 4x6 prints that were 99% originals. The only prints that sold was a really bad digital original and one of Kermit the frog throwing up
It is so good if you manage to be the 'first'. past con I went to do I was the ONLY artist with any Overwatch merch/prints whatsoever. I stocked up for the year and sold out entirely at that one con. Next con i'm going to i've snooped around the other artists and it seems like everyone has at least a print.
(i feel like having a generic tracer or widow print is the trademark of people who don't play or care about the game but want in on the fan money)
how do you deal with guys that try to commission weird stuff from you? i told him that i wouldnt do it but i still felt gross after because he even asked me
i was thinking of putting up an "only female" commission sign but im not sure what people would think of that...
Reframe it as something else. "Only female" sounds weird. Tell people when they ask you that you're bad at drawing x thing you get grossed out by.
Alternatively, was it NSFW? You could just write "no NSFW" on the sign and just deal with the fact you won't get people's yuri money.
yeah it was a butt and penis or something, gross and nsfw i think, i am okay with breasts though which some people consider nsfw, ugh dont wanna lose out on money but dont wanna feel so icky inside
hard too because im fine with genderfluid and dont want to excluse other genders, just not comfortable with regular males
the problem was they even showed me examples in a binder and it would have been easy to draw since it was so simple so they would have known i was lying if i said i was unable to draw and i dont like to lie
i know "female only" is bad because im okay with genderfluid and mtf and other genders also but hard to put all that on my signs
im worried because i talke to the girls at the table next to mine and they said people like that are at every con asking for the same lewd stuff ~_~
Just write 'no cis males' if you're too anxious to tell people what you can or can't draw for them. Sure it'll make you sound like tumblr plague, but it seems you're close enough to being one already so...
Yeah, I imagine every area has at least one of those gross otakus with the inane commission requests. They're usually willing to pay a lot of money to anyone who will draw their shit, but it's understandable if you turn it down.
Just a simple "No, sorry, I don't want to draw that" should be good enough for them.
What specifically are folks requesting that you draw that you're uncomfortable with? Like is it: nudity, gratuitous pin-ups, sexual content, specific fetish stuff (feet, inflation, transformation, diapers, hypno, etc)?
im fine with cute or sfw commisions from cis males though
maybe ill have a friend help me in my booth next time to explain this to people ~_~
yeah it seems like that is the only solution without seeming tumblr, ill have my friend do that at my booth
i just wish the con would ban gross guys like that cause im sure other tables are grossed out too
ya thats the pic, could you please delete it or your post? it makes me really uncomfortable
why would a guy like that come here to cgl this is a sfw board ~_~
It's...it's called a joke, anon. It's literally a little comedy weenie-man with another comedy weenie coming out of his butt.
...gr8 b8 we all fell for it
i'm sympathetic but its really not that hard to just refuse a commission because it makes you uncomfortable. and it's also like...barely nsfw. its just a extremely childish scribble. its not like someones asking you to draw extreme fetish porn.
this is a sfw board, you cant post penis or genitalia here, its not allowed even if its a meme, if you want to post stuff like that or do comms like that YOU can go elsewhere
i did tell him that i dont want to do it, but guys like that are so gross and creep me out and make me feel icky
cant we ban him and guys like him from cons? the con isnt 18+
cons are supposed to be sfw unless its a yaoicon or something
if we can just ban people like that then no one need to feel uncomfortable in an artist alley again
Is this entire conversation bait? What the hell is happening to these threads? Are people really so young here they don't recognize dickbutt
Just fucking say you don't want to do any r18 or nudity oriented art commissions you dumb weenie
>if we can just ban people like that then no one need to feel uncomfortable in an artist alley again
Look kid, I'm the one up there agreeing that cons have shitty otakus with shitty fetishes.
The problem with banning them is that it's hard to enforce. You can't just kick out anyone who looks creepy. Even "they asked me to draw something gross" isn't a good enough reason. You can only get someone kicked out if they do something actually harmful and even then, it's on a case-by-case basis.
Your best bet is to table with friends that are fine handling commission requests for you. By this I mean like.. your friend knows what you're capable of and okay with, they negotiate with the people, and just tell you "hey draw this" after approving something. You can even have this friend only handle requests from cis dudes, since it bothers you that much.
Sorry I didn't mean to be mean. I know how it feels when creepy people are pushy but the best way is to be firm with people like that. Or stick to doing cutesy chibi commissions only at cons.
The only practical deterrent I could see would be to ban all NSFW commissions. But with many AA's still permitting NSFW art to be sold, it probably wouldn't work at all. Plus it wouldn't help against the folks with non-sexually explicit but still fetish-y requests. (The sort of real oddball shit like some character obese and wearing baby clothes while transforming into a giant sweaty praying mantis. It's *technically* SFW, but it's still skeevy as heck.)
I guess this leads into a related question I'm curious about:
> Do you sell NSFW art?
> How well does it sell?
I remember years ago I remember many tables having the "18+ ONLY" binders of assorted yaoi and/or titty prints, but now it seems like a rare occurrence these days.
Eh, banning NSFW commissions would be tricky because the con staff generally don't see those. You would only be able to ban NSFW art from being displayed (ie. even censored wouldn't be allowed), I'd think. You can still get by that though. We might end up with some kind of under-the-table tiddy art black market.
I feel like people are undercharging for their acrylic charms. My 2-3 inch charms are all $12 because I need to make at least 3x my cost. I don't understand how people can charge $5 for 1-2 inch charms and $8 for 2-3 inch charms! Even if you get them made for cheap in China, shipping is expensive. Am I overcharging??
$12 seems a bit too much for me - I've seen them priced for $9-10 though I understand that you'd want to maximize your profit.
But yeesh, anything under $9 makes me cringe. Especially if they got the charms for cheap through a group order, sell them for the market price and make a nice profit dammit.
I made 2.3k (which is a lot for me) but seeing these other anons numbers makes me a little less impressed with myself haha. I at least made a pretty decent profit after costs so Im happy.
This was also my first AX AA
Anything under $10 makes me cringe. Many people charge $12 for 2-3" charms. Some lesser known artists think they HAVE to charge less than other artists, but that is not a good idea. Charge the market price, please.
this frustrates me so much because there are a group of amateur/young chinese artists who get a bunch of their AA stuff from alibaba and act like its a Super Secret Resource and price stuff SUPER cheaply/belong the con average, and then act smug if asked about their prices.
like... why act proud for making a $1-2 profit and make other artists look like they're overcharging
This just hurts everybody. Why act so proud about how little they are making?? We are doing this to earn an income. This is so frustrating. I honestly think $12 is very fair for a 3-inch charm. This not only includes your printing costs, but the time you put in to drawing the design and assemsbling the charms, s&h, etc. Maybe it is too much for a 2-inch charm, but $12 is more than fair for 3-in.
I haven't sold them yet but my 2.5" charms cost around $2 including shipping. So $8 seems pretty reasonable to me. Honestly, I usually just price my stuff at whatever the market price is, with some combo discounts if I have wiggle room for that.
This is what I'm most worried about. I'm selling at my first AA next weekend and I think my prices are pretty fair but I got some people with wildly varying prices when I asked on Facebook. One guy was charging $10 for 11x17 prints while someone else was charging $20. I've decided to sell mine for $15 (I'm debating about doing by 2 get 1 free because a lot of people keep saying that deals help). I'm just not too sure.
One time I ordered 2 double-sided transparent and they were 22 usd with shipping. It was a matching friendship thing I did for a friend so it was all good, but if I made it to sell it, I would have cried lol.
I should clarify that my charms are 3in, transparent, double-sided. I usually embellish my charms and usually order no more than 20-30 charms at once. I think $12 is very fair but now I am not so sure. The prices are just everywhere.
Yes, I'm just not too sure about my prices either. I just say screw it and charge the higher end if I see a lot of different price points. It's a bad business move I'm sure, but people will buy it if they like it. This could be why I don't do very well at cons but I also don't want ti undercharge if I can.
Yeah, $12 sounds very fair in that case. The prices are indeed all over the place. Recently, I've found that print prices were also all over the place as well like >>9093989 said. I think it has to do with people discovering alternative (and cheaper) production methods, as well as people spreading more interstately/internationally.
Since people are talking about charm pricing I guess I'll throw this in here for some feedback! What would be a fair and socially acceptable price for blindboxed charms ranging from 1.25" to 2.25"? (Clear/doublesided). I've got a buttload of Pokemon designs and I wanted to create something fancy and fun with a rarity chart and shinies and etc. to really invoke that sort of random encounter collecting feel the games have.
Being a manufacturer I'm obviously in a position where my costs are uh.. dirt cheap with no limitations whatsoever. I don't want to undercut other artists by any means, but I don't want it to be too cost prohibitive for people get a variety and thought blindboxes might be a fun and fair way to do that.
lmao i'm chinese too anon. i pointed it that THEY are chinese because theres this dumb attitude of 'only chinese ppl know about chinese resources' like the internet doesn't exist, which specifically annoys me...b ut yeah it was more about how just because you can get charms for cheaper than western manufacturers doesn't mean you should be proud about lowering the market value...
i know! this is so frustrating. Like why be proud of being the 'cheapest' artist there. You might be selling a lot of stuff to kids with a fistful of coins and dollar notes but the artist next door made the same amount of money selling only 2-3 of the same item.
6-8? and offer discounts if you buy a bunch like 5 for $20 or something.
i'm a huge sucker for mystery stuff though so please do this!! would people be able to order these alongside charm orders or do you have an online shop?
Oop I guess I should mention that the larger charms would be a lot rarer, 3rd stage evos/legendaries etc. Probably like 1/25 chance if not less. Most will be about 1.5"! I don't want people to feel like they get less than what they pay for because then there's that whole potential "this counts as gambling" problem.
I'm glad you like the idea! It's something I've been wanting to do for a while now. I think they have more appeal in person since you can share the surprise with friends and trade, but if people are interested in ordering them online I can put them up there too once everything's ready. My online shop has been pretty cleaned out and dead for a while but I'm hoping to launch it again soon. As much as I love printing everybody's charms I'm really itching to work on my own stuff again once con season dies down haha.
What's the max amount of charms you'd order at once? I'm doing my first AA soon so I have no stock to start out with obviously, I'm aiming to have about 20 different designs total but I don't want to bombard a manufacturer with an order of 100+ charms. Should I split it up between different companies or are they totally used to orders this size?
>i just wish the con would ban gross guys like that cause im sure other tables are grossed out too
actually we should ban fucking tumblr retards like you
i don't even know if you're baiting or not but holy shit here's your (you)
also kil self pls
not them but I did a dickbutt for them at AX, and they said they had thousands already so a lot of people are pretty ok with it.
its all in good fun man
Has anyone done Anime Impulse and is it worth it? Im thinking about it, but it seems like a weird little 2 day event more than a con?
They want $160 for a table which seems high for that kind of thing
they werent creepy? they just enjoy silly memes
i know its bait at this point but dang
you're embarrassing, who is honestly this pathetic about someone trying to give you money to crudely draw featureless butt and penis
just leave the AA thread and go cry about it to your kindergarten class
I'm a local and I hated it last year. If you're local, you'll make a small profit but it's not worth the hassle. The hours are very long, there is basically 0 AA staff presence, and they have live performances in the same hall all day. Last year, several artists had persistent headaches from them blasting club music for like 10 hours straight. Most of the people who show up are normies who're there for the As Am Expo. People are there to spend money on food trucks, not con stuff. It's a colossal waste of time for profit in the low hundreds.
I'm not doing it again until they have had a couple of years to figure shit out. They raised prices this year without consulting artists or asking us for feedback at all so I don't trust their AA head to have fixed these issues for this year.
(Also! I think I traded with you at AX? Thanks for the Kuragehime print!)
Oh man thank you for telling me, I live in san diego so it would have been much more effort than its worth, glad I didnt buy the table.
I'll just try anime california this year and see how that pans out
(that sounds about right! im not sure which artist you are but thank you for trading with me as well! :> hope your AX went well for you)
I have mixed feelings about AC - if you can get off the waitlist, I highly recommend Sacanime instead. But at least AC is better than Anime Impulse. It's just a slow con in general and I'm worried about it moving to Sac weekend and to a bigger venue in the same year. I hope you do well!
Have you tried looking into NerdCon? I'm also a San Diego native, and I'm thinking of selling there. Plus, I know they still have some spaces available. (One note I'm not sure on, I registered as a vendor a while back and got a discount code that cuts my rate in half for the weekend. If they aren't still giving those out it can be around $300+ for a space + table rental for the weekend.)
What kinda hangups do you have about AC? My biggest gripe is it's Labor Day weekend (an expensive weekend for travel) and it's up against some pretty popular cons. PMX had that issue last year, and I'm still shocked I did relatively well. But otherwise, what have you experienced with AC?
/cgl/ is a blue worksafe board
not sure what's silly about harassing women
you make it sound like i should be HAPPY that a creepy guy is trying to make me draw lewd things
im not stupid, maybe your the joke here, think about how this affects the rest of us and how it encourages more lewd men to go to artist alley instead of dealers for their lewd fetishes
stop responding to the troll, guys. Just don't fuckin do it
New topic: Have you guys seen any different or unique "sales" tactics or strategies? These could be things like sales, booth setups, etc.
My friend got gacha machines for her booth. You pay x amount and she'll give you a special coin that you can put in to get a random charm/pin. It was super fun!
my friends and i want to do the gacha thing, but i can't fathom packing one of those machines in my luggage. i personally have a huge weakness for gachapon though so i'm sure it would work on a lot of congoers too
I saw an artist who offered people who bought an eevee sticker on day 1 their choice of an eeveelution sticker on day 2. it was a cute idea and quite a few of the people who returned for the free extra sticker seemed to make additional purchases.
I just checked their site
they are asking quite a lot for a space
I think i'll sit that one out and see how others do, also I dont like the idea of being side by side with standard vendors. It's hard to justify artist alley pricing when you're competing with official mass produced merch
It really struck me as weird that they grew so quickly. I sold at their event last year, when it was a first year, one day convention. It was pretty reasonable (about $115 for space + table + WiFi) and I easily made that back and then some. This year they went for a full weekend and are renting out the entire space (likely due to the fact it was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too crowded last year. It was both good and bad when you consider it was a first year con), so it seems like everything is much pricier. If you're interested for future years, sign up as a vendor when the 2017 site goes up, and they might do the discount deal again.
Who cares either way? Feeding real ignorance or regular trolls is the same thing either way. In the end, they're both people not worth your time at all. The ignorant choose not to learn and grow while the trolls choose just to frustrate and disrupt honest productive discussion.
AWA and AUSA are my last two anime cons for 2016!
I'm also doing FlameCon, which is an LGBT con.. I'm just a teensy bit nervous because I'm trying to figure out my stock/marketing strategy, and it's a little bit different from the usual anime con stock and setup that I'm used to.
i did square payments no problem with mobile data or wifi. the artist alley had its own wifi which was complementary for artists and helpers, separate from vendors and other con related wifi
anime california and next years AX
going to try for ALA, hanadoki, anime conji whenever the reg goes up
its like what anime conji was before the AX staff took it over. Small comfy convention, the only problem being the table sizing issues.
The first year tables were supposed be 8 feet, and the hotel supplied 6 foot tables, the second year it was the same 6 foot tables but you could only buy a half table. if not for that the con wouldve been great
I understand them not wanting to push artists away but honestly I can understand not getting in a lot more than having an over abundance of 3 foot artist displays
wait sorry to bring this up again re: dickbutt but okay i've actually had someone ask for a really fucked up commission that i don't think they should be allowed to ask for?
It wasn't dick butt. First they asked if i like ghibli, then they asked if i like grave of the fireflies. then they asked if i would draw the brother and sister from grave of the fireflies, but the sister is dead and disemboweled, and the brother is having sex with her body and guts everywhere.
the dickbutt thing is stupid, but am i crazy to think just asking random artists (Some who may be under 18??) to draw this is fucked up? It's a bit far, isn't it? and on top of that they only wanted to pay $10 for it lol
No i'm not that person, i had this requested from me two otakons ago. You might even know who i am from this specific story cause i've told a bunch of friends about it too. My neighbor told me that couple goes around otakon every year asking to see how will do it v_v
>asking random artists to draw this is fucked up
Eh, at their point they feel like it's worth a shot. Most don't give much of a shit, they expect half the people they talk to to be horrified. Some of them get off on that.
>only wanted to pay $10
LMaaaooooo fuck no. You can possibly get an SFW sketch of 2 people for that price, no more.
October: Fang con, Rocket City NerdCon
November: Hama mini con
December: Yama con
January: Kami con
February: seishun con
btw, what do you guys think about artists having a sign on their table with "Will donate 10% of proceeds to Red Cross to help [insert recent tragedy here] victims"? I feel its sorta lame. Feels like they are trying to use a tragedy to increase sales.
yea the entire story is actually kind of funny because i was offering $10 sketches of dopey ass pokemon/animals only (kinda like omocat art?), but when i refused their commission of two necrophiliac incest child porn they were like "wait, not even for 10 whole dollars?"
in my fucking head "not for a god damn million dollars", out load "no, sorry ^_^;;;"
I don't know how I feel about percentages like that, wherein the charitable donation is marketed in such a way as to drive sales. I actually did do something recently where I had a charity item on my table, and for this very reason was very clear in that 100% of proceeds would go to the stated charity. That seemed fair to me, because even if people are buying that item only for the sake of making a donation, it's still all going to that charity either way.
On the other hand, it can be argued that the artist has just as much a right to make a profit off of their own work, and the fact that they're making a charitable contribution at all is something good.
I can understand why they tried, but they're still really stupid about the value of art. Very rarely does $10 commissions = any fucking thing you could ever think of drawing.
I wouldn't buy from them /just/ for the charity, mostly because I have no way of knowing if they're even telling the truth.
If I genuinely liked their stuff, I'd buy it anyway and they can use the profit to wipe their ass for all I care.
Related personal anecdote: Someone I'm very close to needs surgery for bilateral inguinal hernias. He designed a custom patch that he sells, with the proceeds going to help offset any expenses insurance won't cover. I told him I could take some of those patches, sell them at my table, and I would give him whatever proceeds they made. I don't count that as part of my overall table revenues, and I'm upfront that all the money I make from those patches goes to him.
But, yeah. If they're making a charitable contribution from sales of their art, then I guess there's not much wrong with that.
I tabled at a small gaming con that was advertised as Family Friendly, so I made a few coloring sheets that I offered for free and bought two packs of cheap crayons. Since the tables were big, I had a coloring station and aside from just "This table has a free thing! Yay!" some parents browsed what I had while their kids colored and I made a few extra sales.
Holy fucking shit you gotta be kidding me
THIS NIGGER IS SCARED OF DRAWING DICKBUTT
I'm screen capping all of this
hey fera, if you're still here, how does one go about ordering charms with the top layer printing (like the nge charms) ? and can it be done with colors other than white?
sry for the dumb questions ): just curious
depends entirely on the con, but as a general rule if it's at all possible for you (like if you won't be at work or whatever) then just apply as soon as you are physically able to avoid potential stress. decide well before applications open if you want to table at a certain con, don't procrastinate because you aren't sure.
AoD is bit too far for me for now but I'll keep it in mind, thank you.
I'm 99% set on tabling but I've heard stories from friends about how tables run out in seconds, which is making me worried. I'm already set for my sellers permit and planning merch but it'd be a real bummer if it all went to waste if I miss registration by a minute or something.
Working on a tutorial right now actually! Like >>9095437 said, I passed out a buttload of samples at AX and a whole additional a+white+b layer on top of the acrylic is also possible. Getting a tumblr post up this evening and planning to boost it on SPS tomorrow, I'll be available to answer any questions about it there or here.
ALA and SacAnime fill up super quickly (Sac summer has long been filled up, waitlist included) although I think ALA does lottery or something now, or at least half-and-half
I'd say any con that's proven to turn a profit will sell out in minutes, if not seconds, even for smaller cons.
For those who sell online, do things like prints and charms sell well for you on places like etsy? Or do those pretty much function only as convention items.
I'm having a decent time selling button sets on etsy and I'm not sure if its worth adding the rest of my convention stuff to my store or if I should just focus on the conventions themselves.
Saw a few people accepting venmo at AX and thought it was smart, but I've heard a lot of sketchy things about venmo and people somehow cancelling their transactions after sending. Does anyone have any experience with it?
I'm thinking of trying ALA for my first con; I'm assuming they don't since you said it was lottery, but do they look at portfolios? I don't have much in the way of prints atm and draw slower than a fuckin rock but I'm hoping to get some stuff together for the application if they do.
not artist alley but...has anyone done a tumblr giveaway? do they actually work, to gain followers/goodwill/whatever?
It's been a while since I've done ALA but I think part of it is FCFS and the other part is lottery. I think last year they announced the time/date for FCFS, which you could apply to, then after that if you missed FCFS or didn't get in, you could apply for lottery, which was open for a period of time. Then they'd draw the lottery (I don't know if they still do it physically, but usually they'd do it publicly and invite anyone in the area to come witness to prevent any corruption/etc.).
I'm not sure if quality factors into it, but they'd definitely weed out obvious bootleggers. It's not necessarily "quality" based judging-- they just check the lottery entries to make sure they're legit.
Otakon staffer here with a story about the artist alley. While most artists are domestic, this one year I met two female Japanese artists who got a table in the dealer's room. One was also dressed in gothic lolita, quite stylish.
Very much a minimalist setup, even less than what is show in the OP pic, as they only brought their art and sketches, and didn't have any props or equipment at all. I ended up jury-rigging some stands from their artist's supplies for them.
Anyway, had some fun chatting, and they showed me their art which was quite impressive. Almost hit on one of them, but stopped myself as they were at the con to work (and so was I), wouldn't have been a professional thing to do.
Apparently, they had a manga they'd drawn, and were working on a deal to get published. I wished them luck, and complimented them that they were professional quality, and hoped they would succeed.
The title of the manga they were working on was D. Gray-man.
I'm highly sceptical of the story since I doubt any one would go to some American con if they wanted to be published. DGM was published in shounen jump which would be constant hard work in japan.
>Uh I'm assuming they were selling a doujin? D.Gray-man has been sterelized for about 10 years now.... There's no way they'd be selling a manga with the exact same title
I've been working for Otakon for the past 20 years, so yes, it was that long ago. I still have a business card they gave me, can't figure out what I did with it though.
>I'm highly sceptical of the story since I doubt any one would go to some American con if they wanted to be published. DGM was published in shounen jump which would be constant hard work in japan.
That's what surprised me, I just assumed they were small-time artists, and then a few months later they got announced. Apparently the two of them somehow got bypassed by the "guest" system, but instead just heard about this American convention and paid their own way to come.
>D.Gray-man is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Katsura Hoshino. The series tells the story of a boy named Allen Walker, a member of an organization of Exorcists who make use of an ...Wikipedia
Damn not even ten seconds on Google dude
She definitely had a partner with her at the time, they were tentatively planning to call themselves "Seeping Blood Studios". Dunno what happened to the other girl, they seemed pretty close at the time.
Still skeptical. Dgm was published in 2004 by shueisha, and because the company is so big and reputable, I highly doubt they'd just let one of their published artists go off and self-promote at an American con (if she even had the time... Pro mangakas for weeks serial series have a brutal schedule).
I'm also not seeing shiy floor this "seeping blood studio." Dgm is a popular series so I doubt the artist's history would go unpublished by the internet
I've done a giveaway with shipping actually prints/bookmarks/charms, and surprisingly, most of the followers you gain do actually stay. Not much boost in your public image though, or at least I didn't feel people thought of me much different before vs after.
Dunno how to prove it to you, unless I can find her business card buried in two decades worth of dusty Otakon crap.
One of the troubling possibilities that occurs to me is that a big commercial break-out with Shueisha is why the author didn't go through with the studio idea, and why she isn't with that friend/partner I met that day.
It sounds like this was before DGM got published though. I mean, Otakon has a good reputation so it's plausible that someone went trying to self promote, and then later got picked up by a publisher. Just because she was there with a friend doesn't necessarily discount the story. A lot of manga-ka draw doujinshi as a pair, but have their serialized work solo. She could have even just been a friend along for the trip, and unless they published anything under the name "seeping blood studio" it sounds like that's just what they were thinking of calling themselves.
If this was really that long ago, before DGM got published, I do still think it's plausible that there were doujin works that haven't made their way online. Her style has changed once already, who's to say the early work wouldn't be identifiable either?
I don't know if the story is true, but the plot holes aren't as big as y'all are making them out to be.
Thought venmo was meant only for "personal transactions" friends family etc - people you know=less risk. It stated its not meant for "merchant transactions" ~ people you don't know = reversal of funds, your loss, your problem.
I haven't heard about any problems with artists using it at artist alley so far, but there are numerous articles online of people getting scammed. The payer can cancel the transaction even though it says that the money is sent since it actually takes a while for the transaction to be finished.
So more or less, I'd be very careful with using it unless it's with someone with know.
I read that the real scam is it makes you think the money was sent - all transactions take awhile even a few days - so the fraud easily with venmo is it convinces you that you got the money when in fact it's just a "message" only that the money was sent in reality.
Sad case about the guy after doing a venmo transaction that the buyer than asks the guy to buy 5iphones sends him over 5k on venmo, but buys the iphones on his credit card and hands the lady the iphones, later no money in his acct. venmo reversal.
why the fuck would anyone take venmo when we have square now? Anyone asking you to do venmo instead of square is shadey imo. It's like asking you to paypal something as friends & family when it's a purchase. There's a fee for the purchase protection for a reason, if someone *insists* it be venmo or friends&family and they aren't your friend or family, be ware.
>why the fuck would anyone take venmo when we have square now?
I worry that I'll have to pay business taxes and stuff if I get a square, with venmo it looks like it's just family stuff
Don't risk using Venmo, their customer service has constantly told people to not use it for merchant sales due to scammers.
Wouldn't most sales come from cash anyway? I've seen a handful of people be turned off from the added fees and instead come back after using the ATM.
How much is the norm for 4x6 prints? I charge $5 but like charms, the prices are kind of everywhere. I get mine printed very cheap but charge $5 to even out the rush shipping I have to do sometimes. I've seen $2-7 from various artists. Any thoughts?
$5 is probably on the high end, though acceptable. Especially if they're actually postcard quality prints and not just photo prints from costco/walgreens/etc.
In addition to the common $3, 2 for $5, some people also do $5 for one, 3 for $10
what's the standard pricing in the US and Canada for doublesided 2-3" acrylic keychains with bells/charms on them?
It seems to bounce all over the place from $5-$12.
Does the deal $8 each or 2 for $15 sounds reasonable?
I never charge less than $10 for doublesided 2" charms, but i'm factoring in how long they take me to assemble and materials into the cost. This question keeps being asked and to be honest it's whatever you think people will pay.
idk about canada but in the US, double sided acrylic charms generally start around $10 for 1.5" (3 for $25) and can go up for 2"+ or multi peices. Usually around $12 of $15 if sufficiently complex.
$8 is actually way too cheap, it's the pricing when i first started double sided charms to see if people bought them. They will buy them at $10+ easily so don't undercut artists and undersell yourself.
My first few cons weren't so successful and I struggle with not having much online presence and next to 0 online sales. How many cons or how much time would you say is required to build up your brand and exposure? I am probably being impatient but my sales are not picking up at all. Very discouraging but I don't want to give up yet. For those of you who weren't successful right off the bet, did it pick up after some time?
For crafters, how much time do think you can spend on a single item and still be profitable? I've been thinking of selling papercut art, but each piece takes around 6 hours and the most I can see anyone paying is around 25-30. Pic is an example of my work.
Does anyone have good suggestions for spicing up Grab Bags? I'm a crafter, and I use them at my table for older pieces, or things with slight cosmetic issues (i.e. upside-down print, slightly crooked hardware. Nothing that affects their usability but things that make them look a bit 'eh') and I currently just use brown paper bags.
If it fits your aesthetic, I use something like this, and put one of my buttons through the top to keep the bag shut. They get to pick their favorite button, so everyone knows they'll get at least one thing they like from the bag.
Catprint and overnightprints do them, generally any site that lets you print on extra heavy card stock (something like 100-110lb+) and UV gloss will look like professional post cards. If they are just meant to be prints you can skip the UV coating too.
About half of my prints at my last con were papercut art, and I base them on my own sketches. They took anywhere from 3 hours to 8 hours. My style is different from yours, but you catch my drift, right?
Realistic traditional painters take a lot more time to do their work, price their things proportionally, and still get interest and sales. Painter anon from a couple threads ago got a lot of interested replies in that thread alone.
But I would suggest doing prints based on your own sketches. You can sell a higher volume, be able to correct your mistakes, and avoid copying others' work. You can sell your originals at a price proportional to the time you spent on it (25-30 is definitely lowballing yourself!!), but you'll also be giving people a cheaper option.
>caring at all how many notes your art gets
Sometimes I get tens of thousands, sometimes I get just a couple hundred. It's completely fucking random.
I know far too many people that get caught up in that shit. my ex was OBSESSED with likes, followers, and notes.
just curious, fanart or original (or both)?
Either way that's a relief to hear as someone who has been wanting to table but was always worried I'd do badly since I'm not well known online.
That's missing the point! I'm a huge advocate of make art for you, fuck everyone else.
my name starts with a w and ends with an akkawa
Seriously though, I know a lot of people that have almost no online presence but do amazingly well selling prints online or at cons. My friend (at a previous studio), out of nowhere, became an overnight pop culture hit. He was like "Man, know what I want to do? I want to make old pulp fiction covers of shit I like" and so he made a couple western styled star wars posters (before disney bought them) and people went absolutely crazy for them. I had a little bit of experience selling my own posters online so he came to me for help. I told him to either sell them cheaper OR you can do limited print runs and sell them for a little bit more.
He went with the latter. Again, he had no online presence AT ALL but a couple big print sites featured his poster (he emailed them and asked... they liked his work). Then it got shared on reddit and he sold 200 prints over the weekend. Since then he has been known as that "pulp poster cover guy" and has gotten a shit ton of legit side work. He designed the 2013 coachella posters, some RedvsBlue work, did a poster for Pacific Rim, and so much more. He made easily $70,000+ in a year JUST from his poster sales. That's not counting his day job pay either (which I don't know how much he got paid but on average concept artists get paid $35/h)
meanwhile, I had at the time nearly 100k followers and subscribers on DA, cghub, tumblr, ect and I didn't sell shit. To be fair, I really don't care either. I just want to paint... that's literally all I care about.
Just do what you like and try to not let followers and likes get you down. If you build it... they will come.
in addition to what others have said...tumblr 'giveaways' (or any other social media giveaways) are not more likely to bring in sales or followers than simply having any other random post get popular. People will just reblog/share it because they want free shit, it doesn't matter what kind of shit it is.
I know people have already been harping on AX's AA being a tiny little mess but it's more fun when it's in article form.
Not the person you were asking originally but...
Everyone I know that goes to cons is one of three things. First, Fanart. Fanart is always going to do better than original art if you don't have a following. Even then your fanart needs to have a twist to it, like say "Disney Princess in Lolita!" Not only are you going to get the disney crowd, but the lolita lovers.
Second, is when a person fills a very niche market. Like if an artist does only paintings of historic 13th century english-saxon knights.
lastly, are your well known artists. People that have webcomics online, make original posters, other original art. The people that have millions of views on their sites.
If you fit into any of those categories you will have a much better time. If you're just a good artists making your own work you might sell a few things but most people will just pass you by thinking "Oh, that's neat. OH SHIT ARIEL AS A KAIJU BYE"
While what you are saying is very true, a lot of artists who draw generic headshots of popular characters do amazingly well (some even have mediocre art) so I find it confusing how to better in terms of sales. The niche thing works only when you find a popular niche because if you go with too obscure stuff, noone is going to care. What I'm trying to say is that selling is hard and I still don't understand it...
I'm looking to get set up with standardized sizing for my art and would like some input. I want to go with common frame sizes so definitely 8x10s and maybe 11x14, but can't decide on 4x6 or 5x7 for the small size. Thoughts?
It doesn't say explicitly that you can't leave early but I'd rather not risk it. My table partner (ie my mom) is making a big stink about not being able to leave until 3:00 but, at this point, she'll just have to suck it up. Honestly would have way less headaches if I could just go by myself