i'm not even a gothic lolita but i think it looks really pretty, post coords and stuff.
it's usually good 4chan etiquette to start off threads like this with a small dump of your own, anon
>>9090833
Can we discuss gothic vs. kuro?
I still think kuro coords are still somewhat gothic even if they have some sweet elements.
>>9090869
Kuro relates to color only though, not style. For a coord to be kuro it has to be entirely black and that's it, and black doesn't necessarily mean gothic.
>>9090869
I have worn sweet kuro, multi-bow shoes, bell shaped jsk covered in beading lace and bows with waist ties, a bonnet with bows and roses, black Baby frilly parasol. Not gothic at all. Kuro just means an all black coord but it can be any style depending on the elements.
>>9090869
I think as long as kuro is relatively neutral, it can pass for gothic. I think it's important to say when you go into mostly solid color coords without obvious motifs, it becomes more ambiguous and the overall "feel" should be taken into consideration more than the colors.
If someone has gothic styled makeup, but is wearing a solid AP JSK that isn't very sweet, I think that could pass as gothic.
>>9090910
Depends on the shoes and accessories at that point. Bow shoes and a Peter Pan blouse with puffy sleeves, even in all black will get labeled sweet by people who don't have the 'it's black, must be goffic mindset. The whole coord needs to follow a more gothic style not just a less sweet ap dress with gothic makeup, for me to think it is a good gothic coord. And don't get me wrong, I like kuro cords and gothic lolita but too many just assume kuro can stand in for gothic just because it is black. There are many jewel tones and prints used in gothic and if you use a plain black main piece with everything else black, it still needs to be styled in a gothic way, not just be black.
>>9090869
In my opinion it's about motifs
Roses, crosses/Catholic imagery, coffins, skulls, other symbols of death, etc. steer it towards gothic while hearts, lots of bows, stars, cutesy animals, etc. steer it towards sweet
>>9090910
That's applying old school terms to modern lolita. Old school gothic lolita was a much more defined style. I don't believe kuro even exists anymore. A black coordinate is just gothic or classic now, but I guess if you wanna be nostalgic you can call it "kuro" but I doubt it's the first term that comes to most peoples minds anymore.
>>9090854
sorry, i went somewhere right after i made this thread
>>9090939
Kuro coordinates have no motifs unless they are black on black. It is a pure black coordinate.
>>9090964
>A black coordinate is just gothic or classic now
>>9090964
There are several kuro wardrobes posted every year and active lolitas who make kuro (and shiro) coordinates. It's not as common as it used to be but its not an 'old-school' either. If you make a kuro coord with a brand new black jsk, a chiffon hime blouse and a chiffon underskirt that is not old-school. Nor is it gothic. It would lean Classic in style.
>>9090964
You could make a very edgy and punk style kuro coord with an asymmetrical skirt, plain black h.Naoto blouse, bondage gear and RH boots or Docs and black fishnets. Kuro never really was a huge thing and it's still not but its a very unique and distinctive thing that is still done.
>>9090923
I still see what you described somewhat gothic, probably because I was a goth long before I was a lolita and there's many "sweeter" goth styles. I see a bow that is black as a gothic bow and a black heart as a gothic heart. If that makes sense.
>>9091026
I don't think you actually have an understanding of the differences between classic/sweet/gothic lolita, anon.
>>9091044
Look I'm one of those ancient lolitas and I know how community likes to categorize styles, okay? Are we on the same page?
HOWEVER; in my opinion even just being black adds a gothy feel to stuff. Think more like normie fashion. Black hair is more gothic than blonde hair or brown hair or orange hair by nature. Or think about horror movies and little creepy girl dresses. Or oldschool lolita. Oldschool lolita doesn't count as gothic and uses sweet themes like bows, ruffles, hearts but its aim is to look like a porcelain doll which is something creepy and gothic by nature.
>>9091077
>gaiz I've totally been a Lolita for forever
>j-just cause I don't know the difference between gothic and sweet doesn't mean I'm n-not!
> in my opinion even just being black adds a gothy feel to stuff
You're an idiot.
>>9091091
>I dont have a logical argument!!!
Okay, whatever.
>>9091097
You are saying even if something has gigantic sweet style bows everywhere on it and most elements are sweet, it feels gothic just because it is black. And you back this up by saying it's because black feels "gothy" to you.
My argument is you are talking out of your ass, anon. The difference in style(sweet/gothic/classic) for Lolita isn't based on color, I don't know how you are unaware of that.
>>9091077
Your opinion and commonly understood Lolita definitions of things are definitely not on the same page as at least a few of us have demonstrated by example. Pulling your 'ancient Lolita' or 'b'cuz goff' cards aren't going to help you when the rest of the Lolita world mostly is not on your page with these definitions. You have been given concrete examples of sweet, classic and punk kuro, all fitting both their sub style and the kuro definition, and clearly not gothic, what about these is unclear?
>>9091106
But anon she's totes been in Lolita since the beginning of time and we should bow to her definitions as they are superior.
>>9091103
Wasting our breath here, I'm afraid. I get it and was trying to provide examples <from my own closet> but obviously she doesn't get it or doesn't want to get it. My guess is that she is bored OP, or not actually wearing Lolita fashion, just has opinions about things.
>>9091044
>>9091091
>>9091103
diffrent anon but do you realize anon is aware of how lolita styles categorised right. he/she is only saying he/she is not satisfied with this categorization and i think they may have some point about old school being gothic without needing gothic elements.
also what do you think is the reason behind this diffrence between normie gothic and lolita gothic?
>>9091103
Look, I'm an older than average (as in age) lolita and occasionally I do like things frilly and sweet. One of the ONLY dignified ways I have found to wear it and not feel like I'm dressing too young or such is to style a kuro coordinate. So yes, I really do know what I am talking about in that there is absolutely such a thing as a sweet styled kuro coordinate that is not gothic. It's hanging in my closet. In several coordinates worth of pieces.
>>9091106
I think you are confused. Those examples were given by me actually I'm not the OP.
>>9091123
>diffrent anon but do you realize anon is aware of how lolita styles categorised righ
I honestly don't think that's the case. This is someone who says if an item is black it is automatically more "gothy".
>>9091124
You just said a while back a black coord is either classic or gothic. Can you really not remember what happened less than a day ago?
>age wise
How the fuck is this relevant to what we are discussing at all? I don't need you to blog your life's story to try and get a point across, it's not working.
You still clearly don't understand the differences between the sub styles of Lolita.
>>9091123
The reason is because they arise from not only different sources but different cultures half a world away from each other. I think gothic Lolita is as heavily influenced by rococo and VK as from Western Goth. Mix those elements together and gothic Lolita is very different than western goth.
>>9091133
Topkek anon go home you are drunk
>>9091140
How? All of my points are valid and have remained consistent. Unlike the other anon who can't even remember what they just said.
>>9091137
Actually lolita and western goth have some similar influences. Like victorian era. Victorian era child's clothings and porcelain dolls like anon said upthread.
>>9091133
I'm not the one that said they had to be classic or gothic.
This thread is fast becoming chaotic and contains some clearly unskilled Lolita opinions that need to learn but unfortunately seem to just want to argue. Not my thing, I prefer a nice low key discussion with simple respect and information exchange with examples to back the info up. I don't give any weight to the argument 'because it feels goth to me' over what the rest of the Lolita community at large thinks and more argument despite repeated examples.
Peace out.
Holy fucking shit, I just wanted to scroll through an inspiration thread. This is why we can't have nice things.
>>9091146
>ragequitting this hard
>>9091142
Because they are diffrent anons. You don't even know who you are answering to. Please stop.
>>9091151
>summering this hard
>>9091152
>Please stop
First off, just because you want someone to stop doing something that you disagree with doesn't mean they will stop. Grow up.
Secondly, I suppose it's my bad for assuming they were the same person but to be fair it's rare that two people are this level of stupid. Two people who can't comprehend the basics of Lolita styles on /cgl/? Not as likely as one idiot who keeps replying.
>>9091146
I think you are missing OP's point. Your argument of "frills and bows feeling sweet" is not more based than OP's argument. Color itself indeed counts as a fashion element and black is a color with gothic connotations for sure. It can be safely said a black coordinate with sweet elements carries contrasting elements.
>>9091103
This is why you get new lolitas wearing the 3 bow shoes with a super spooky look and going 'whaaaaat, it's gofffff because blaaaaack' oh and 'because DOLL'.
Nope
>>9091161
I'm not sure if you are baiting or you are so salty it makes impossible for you to comprehend. Either way you look like an idiot.
>>9091172
I look like an idiot? I'm not the one claiming something is gothic just because it's black.
>>9091171
>not as important
Wut? Where did I say that exactly?
All I'm saying is you cant disregard color when diffrentiating style. A pastel pink and a muted pink are not the same, why would black and pink would be?
>>9091167
Dresses are categorized by style in Lolita before color. A black AP dress with sweet motifs on it is sweet. A black plain AP dress with sweet detailing on it is sweet. Whether it is mint or black. If black = goth then what about shiro goth? It has no black yet it's goth.
>>9091179
You were responding to my point of themes/shapes being the main differences in lolita. Not once did I disregard color, I just said it was absolutely stupid to say something is automatically "gothy" because it is black.
>A pastel pink and a muted pink are not the same, why would black and pink would be?
I'm not saying that either, but all of those can be sweet or classic so using it as a point is stupid. You can have pastel classic just like you can have black sweet.
Or are you trying to defend the anon saying pic related is gothic just because it's black??
>>9091171
I fear you are correct because they (or she) just isn't making sense. No matter how we personally view something, if there is already consensus in the vocabulary and understanding of terms, we use them in context. Only new or very young do not know how to do this and cite opinion over and over like this with no examples or basis.
Well a few perma-itas but even they know better really and are just stubborn and not this ignorant.
I'm gonna post some inspiration before this thread gets too derailed.
>>9091185
Very good example. A non-lolita who has mall goth dresses might see this as gothic but any experienced lolita immediately thinks 'wow, so sweet everything' when they see this.
>>9091173
You can't even distinguish different people in the thread. Why would anyone trust you about distinguishing styles?
>>9091200
I don't give a fuck who I'm replying to, if someone is stupid I'm going to call them stupid. You are desperately clinging to a non topic related point to try and paint me as in the wrong when I'm clearly not. Did I make a mistake and assume the idiots babbling on about black making things gothic was the same person? Sure, but who cares?
Just because I don't look into posts as possibly being different posters on an anonymous image board doesn't mean my eye for knowing the differences in styles is impacted. Grow up.
>>9091207
Ending my dump here. Now please stop bitching, everyone.
>>9091206
>>9091185
something being gothy doesn't mean it is straight up gothic. an object can carry both sweet and gothic qualities without being either.
>>9091211
>>9091212
Black =/= gothy.
I don't know why this is so hard to understand. The pic I posted is a perfect example of my point of something that is clearly very sweet with no gothic influence that is black.
>>9091214
>>9091216
>>9091209
But anon... The two anon you confused were saying completely opposite things... Otherwise no one would notice. Honestly calm your tits get some sleep or something. Jesus.
>>9091212
Goth-y is not a term commonly used in lolita fashion at all, mainly because, you guessed it, it's completely subjective and easy to confuse with an established substyle we DO define as Gothic Lolita.
Gothy sounds like a term a noob would use to describe their hell bunny dress as a Lolita main piece.
>>9091203
"Hello AP Mercator bunny and bear. I know you are one of the defining hallmarks of an AP sweet dress but because you are on a black background here and you might feel 'Gothy' to someone, today you are magically Gothic."
No.
>>9091223
One post said something that contradicted the previous posts, and I assumed it was the same person because if it wasn't there was literally no need for the post. It was vapid and gave nothing towards either argument.
Once again, I'm not sure why one mistake of mine is so important to you.
>>9091234
You need that explained to you? Looks like I have to repeat myself.
Are you new or mentally deficient?
>>9091234
Because most of us are busier with our own style and wardrobes than these kinds of discussions (because they rarely result in anything but agreeing to disagree at best) and usually the only people who sit around picking those nits are people who are new or who don't actually dress lolita so want to have things to say.
>>9091241
So because someone has an opinion that they want to express for whatever reason they are new or aren't really a lolita? Are you high?
>>9091237
>tfw this is my first post in the thread
>>9091234
Post some concrete photo examples of what you are talking about and outline their points.
>>9091244
Right, but answer the question.
>>9091231
How about you shut the fuck up and contribute some pictures if you know so goddamn much about gothic lolita?
>>9091252
>this mad
Anon calm down. Mercator is sweet but you don't have to shit yourself about it.
>>9091256
Like I said, post pictures then if you know so much.
>>9091258
I'm not the anon you responded to. I just worry for your health, your blood pressure must be sky high.
>>9091248
I don't see you pointing out any differences between sweet-gothic hybrid and black sweet.
>>9091261
I shouldn't have to spoon feed you the obvious.
>>9091260
My blood pressure will be lower once people actually start posting inspiration pictures.
>>9091247
>Post some concrete photo examples of what you are talking about and outline their points.
Are you high? You are the one who claim they are two different styles.
>>9091267
You can't rely on other people to help your health anon. Help yourself. It'll be okay.
>>9091265
>argues for hours on a silly topic
>can't respond to a simple question
>muh spoonfeedin!!
>>9091272
I refer you to my previous posts about themes and shapes. If you can't figure it out from there you should probably kill yourself, it must be miserable being that incapable of thought.
>>9091252
But that's such a great example already. Can't you just FEEL the goth-y-ness of that cute little bunny and teddy bear on the front?
>>9091275
Clearly kawaii animals are the most gothic thing ever.
>>9091278
Ikr? <the chills>
>>9091274
Aww I feel sorry for you anon. I bet you don't even wear lolita, nice backing out after spreading salt like that. salty/10
>>9091285
>I bet you don't even wear Lolita
Based on what? Your fee fees being hurt?
>>9091275
Quick: Gothic or sweet?
>>9091291
clusterfuck
>>9091291
Badly done, costumey mashup of both. Isn't a good example of either nor does it stand on its own style merit.
>>9091287
Do you? Post pics then. If you trust yourself this much you must be such an inspiration. Please let your light shine on us itas and newfags eh?
>>9091291
The image title defines it well, actually.
Tumblr.
Enough said.
>>9091297
>post pics of myself on 4chan because someone I am arguing with tells me to
You can't be serious.
inb4 >hurr ur not real lowleeta cause u won't give me pics of u >.<
I wear it but I'm not obligated to give you any pictures of myself.
>>9091292
>>9091296
SWEET OR GOTHIC
>>9091302
Badly done.
>>9091300
>I'm not obligated to give you any pictures of myself.
Then don't be sad if I don't regard your precious opinions more than next door lolita at heart ita's. You can shove them up to your ass if anything.
>>9091302
Off brand crap?
Seriously, it's not a full coord so with accessories or styling could probably be worn either way.
It's ugly though for largely that reason, not enough of either elements to really be either so just hangs badly in between. A common off brand problem.
See Rouge Aerie.
>>9091304
sweet or gothic
>>9091307
Very pretty gothic. Nice because the bonnet can also be worn with sweet but is formal enough for gothic. I like this.
>>9091313
sweet or gothic?
>>9091314
Not a full coord so I'd wait to see the whole thing. Could be either with what is shown or also maybe oldschool as well. This is why we use full length pictures for these discussions, which most people besides newbies know.
>>9091313
How come that is not a full coord? I'm sick of this OTT faggotry.
>>9091321
Post full coord photos with all the elements showing. At this point it could have pumpkin pants and even be ouji.
>>9091327
Well for starters we can't even see the bottom half of it you nitwit.
>>9091327
No jewelry, no bag, can't see leg wear or shoes. No one says it has to be ott but this would get concrit regardless for lack of any visible accessories. They can be plain, just not missing.
>>9091307
>>9091334
Oldschool gothic. I like it. Strong motifs and lets the jsk motif shine but has balance as well.
>>9091339
Why should I? You failed in your task so why do I have to do your job for you?
>>9091291
this is so cute
>>9091339
That's just it, there aren't many good mishmashes because it's not really a thing or you'd be finding lots, ya? That's what we've been saying all along.
>>9091345
Ita is cute? What?
>>9090869
Not even slightly.
Lurk more, you sound like the dummies on CoF calling their coords gothic when it's a mishmash of styles in black colorways and clashes horrible
>>9091334
>>9091339
Cries: it's a thing, it's a thing.
After searches cries: where's the thing, where's the thing?
We smile.
Perhaps it's not SUCH a thing.
Perhaps.
>>9091347
Saying where? I read whole thread, didn't see anything like that.
>>9091356
Maybe you just severely lack reading comprehension?
>>9091352
>>9091354
Lol I never said it is a thing though.
>>9091365
Someone in the thread demanded examples of it.
>>9091345
It IS cute.
For Halloween.
3/10 would ask them to remove the wings for a con tea meet. So it's not such a costume-based thing.
Pity about the boots.
>>9091361
>>9091216
anyone have suggestions on what to search for a bag like this?
>>9091369
Pitty about all of it, really. Defacing MMIGT should be a crime.
>>9091368
I don't think I'm responsible of someone's actions.
>>9091370
>>9091377
Right, I'm just explaining why you are getting this reaction.
>>9091373
It's just a treasure chest shaped bag. Pretty sure that one's AatP.
>>9091369
Seeing ott shit people wear to conventions, this is pretty tame. Angel wings are not a rare sight either.
>>9091360
Or maybe you are just delusional.
>>9091378
>>9091392
Stop projecting so hard.
>>9091397
>>9091381
Seconding but I think it is sold out on the site. Try Lacemarket when they get the new site straightened back out or look it up on lolibrary and post a wtb in one of the FB sales groups or on egl comm sales group on LJ.
>>9091400
ok but you
>>9091405
Are you 10 or did you forget your meds this morning?
>>9091382
People wear a lot of things to conventions but generally costume wings are not encouraged at Lolita meet ups which of course you'd know if you'd been to many (or any).
>>9091401
Sweet or gothic?
>>9091397
I really like the strap overskirt, the hat not so much.
>>9091409
It's bad, so does it matter?
>>9091408
>>9091409
Sweet. As described up-thread.
>>9091407
Wth is your problem why are you so hostile?
Conventions and meetups are different occasions jfc. of course you'd know if you'd been to many (or any).
>>9091416
>hostile
>that
>>>/tumblr/
I think you're lost.
>>9091415
Sweet or gothic?
>>9091291
shit
>>9091414
>>9091418
You need a hot bath gurl
>>9091416
Because anyone wearing those to the convention tea would be told to take them off and most of us don't give a shit about convention things outside Lolita unless we cosplay in which case we make a costume and don't feel the need to wing up our coordinates. This would get jibes for the wings on CoF too, don't pretend it would not.
>>9091427
You need more points on your IQ. Currently it's at room temperature.
>>9091408
>tfw you have this print and bonnet
although one gripe i have with the fabric is it feels cheap as fuck... its kind of woven unevenly and shiny...
>>9091419
Sweet, collar, bolero ruffles, shoe bows.
>>9091426
>>9091430
How is the bonnet? What brand is it?
>>9091428
nah I've seen many crazy shit posted to cof and more ott equals more drooling most of the time
holy shit a pair of wings are not as awful as wearing a piece of cake or a carosel as a headdress at all
>>9091429
>not hostile at all, totally friendly
>>9091443
I'm not the same poster as the one who got called that to begin with
>>9091440
Again, subjective opinion, and yes those 2 you mentioned often get crap too but wings are a particularly commented about thing and get the 'costume' label more. I don't like any of them, honestly.
>>9091431
Sweet or gothic
>>9091437
>>9091449
the boots ruin it
>>9091449
Another bad mashup both in style and for the season, short sleeves, stompy boots. Unbalanced.
>>9091445
Do >you< have a legit reason for being this salty?
>>9091449
I personally wouldn't even consider this real Lolita.
>>9091458
I'm not salty, I just thought I'd join in on the shitfest that is this thread.
>>9091450
>>9091438
express L's in love with thanatos is the bonnet
it's lovely! nice lace, chiffon inside. very flexible, and the corsage it comes with is nice. the only 2 issuse i had was having to re sew the straps to a better position so they thing would actually stay on my head, I don't know why they sew it in the place they do. the second issue was the strap material- it's velvet, but it's elastic as well so the sides of the ribbon start to stretch out...
also to clarify the dress is the one with the fabric issues, i dunno what's up wth fox's feathers and their fabric choices
>>9091462
Haha kurohime. This is so pretty!
>>9091463
Thank you. It's a great shape. I'm wanting a triple fortune but timing and expense, <sigh>. I'd like to try a more economical but still nice one meantime so I've been waffling. I'll look this one up, thank you for the info about it!
>>9091462
Sweet. Gothic photography kind of ruins it.
>>9091462
>>9091474
I would say classic because of cut, sleeves, shoes and headdress style.
>>9091475
What a clusterfuck. How come every Moitiefag and Mana copycat manage to end up like this?
>>9091475
>>9091478
>>9091476
Princess sleeves mostly a sweet and hime thing and dress leans more to sweet side with all those ruffles and huge bow.
What's the difference between black classic and gothic?
Also if gothic has such a distinct sense to it and it doesn't matter about colour can there be pink gothic?
>>9091477
It's only natural man would fail at imitating God
>>9091490
Someone smells new to not recognize older moitie socks complete with real ribbon ties on *surprise* a moitie coord.
>>9091490
They're Moitie
>>9091482
>>9091491
doesn't change the fact it looks terrible and cheap
>>9091483
That is also true. Undecided since hime sleeves and this cut with shoes are now usually more worn with classic, admittedly ott classic. This may be a true mix that could lean either way. I have a classic over sweet preference so it's likely biasing my opinion that way.
>>9091494
>>9091491
Again with the subjective opinion since these days those socks (used) can easily cost more than a bodyline dress, but the fact remains that they are certainly not from 'out of nowhere' just because you were too new to have seen them back in the day. A very common sight in moitie coords.
>>9091499
I wouldn't call this gothic. Doesn't have a gothic theme at all. Shoes doesn't fit with the whole aura of the coord other than that pretty basic classic, even old school.
>>9091196
those boots and the cape seem pretty sweet to me.
>>9091506
Definately out of nowhere. It is a fact most oldschool brand items are out of fashion at best and ita at worst now, this is not an exception.
>>9091499
This is one of the pictures that got me into lolita back in the day. The nostalgia of it makes me so happy.
>>9091513
Agreed, bonnet/hat thingy too.
>>9091499
>>9091528
Out of fashion doesn't mean out of nowhere, these are perfectly at home in both of these 2 coords whether you LIKE them or not. It has always been acceptable to drag out the moitie ribbon socks with any moitie dress they are just a bother to thread and tie and if the ends weren't sealed, are often frayed. But they are instantly recognizable and quite nostalgia evoking to see. Next you'll be gasping at a pair of moitie arm warmers.
Holy shit guys most of lolita in general has sweet elements to it whether it be classic or gothic or any other substyle. I agree that gothic lolita has a distinct "flavour" to it but that's partially because of the colour and partially because of the styling.
A few sweet elements in a gothic coord doesn't make a coord not gothic as a gothic element in a sweet coord doesn't make it not sweet. There is always going to be some mixing I don't understand why we look at the idk shoes or something of a coord and say automatically that the whole outfit isn't goth.
>>9091535
>>9091540
Welcome to Lolita. I suggest you read the sticky.
>>9091538
Not sure since it looks more like a gothic print+coffin bag shoved into a sweet coord
>>9091540
exactly this, acting like some sort of almighty lolita style gatekeeper is annoying as fuck
>"you are wearing bows so therefore i declare this coord stripped of its gothic style! j'accuse!"
i mean if you're running around in a pastel pink sweets print with plastic pink accessories piled on then yea, it's obviously sweet but come on, bows + ruffles ≠automatically not gothic
>>9091539
Sure, Jan.
>>9091551
You sound like a special snowflake ita
>>9091540
If this were true then what is a moitie white dress with a gold print or one covered in blue roses on white chiffon? Both are the epitome of EGL, neither are black or likely close to what spooky-chan up-thread would 'feel' are 'goth-y' but by their very nature and definition are Gothic Lolita?
You motherfuckers need Mana. Your personal opinion on what is and isn't gothic is not helping the thread at all, so if you actually want to solidify a point please post examples and stop shitposting.
>>9091560
But this one is easy because everything of his is EGA or EGL. All of it. It has never been defined or marketed otherwise. No contest.
>>9091551
This. Tl;dr upthread discussion:
>too old to wear any color and not to look like ageplay
>All black wardrobe
>sweet lolita at heart uwu
>>9091560
Also ribbon moitie socks got 'sure Jan'.
So much for solid examples.
>>9091564
Are you high? Because that didn't sum up any of the major points in the thread.
>>9091558
>anon says black coords are gothic
>b-but white can be gothic too!
???
>>9091558
I didn't say that colour had to be black. White, black, dark blue and wine/red, grey all lend themselves to gothic very well when provided with the proper styling as you mentioned. Even colours like a darker green can be styled fairly gothic.
Turn that colour into pastel pink or baby blue and the tides turn on what the substyle is no matter the styling however. I am just saying its a combo of the two.
>>9091499
last picture
>>9091568
This is a dumpster fire.
>>9091567
You think there were some "major points" in that shitpost?
>>9091579
They tried to do a tldr of the thread and failed so badly I thought they were high.
>>9091577
not even lolita
>>9091571
>provided with proper styling.
That's why we look at shoes, accessories etc. wasn't that the question and part of the debate all along? But since Mercator was posted as gothic here (assuming not troll) so yes, there's this level of new or ignorance to post it as a gothic Jsk. And argue personal opinion.
>>9091577
This barely even looks lolita desu.
>>9091580
It's true to "I wear black but I'm a 100% sweet lolita" bullshit though.
>>9091575
Yes but it's a sweet one :^)
>>9091585
Oh of course I agree I just think it's stilly how one accessory turns a gothic coord into sweet but the opposite isn't true at all. I suppose I just like to give leeway as long as they don't look like a clusterfuck.
>>9091588
But you can wear black and still have it be 100% sweet you daft cunt.
Another example of an all black NOT gothic coord.
>>9091585
Sweet jsks in black or any other gothic colors can easily be styled as gothic desu. Just because it released by AP or Baby doesn't make a piece inherently sweet. Take Horror Garden or Holy Lantern.
>>9091600
>a sweet JSK can be styled gothic
No, then you get a mismatched clusterfuck as shown earlier in this thread.
>holy lantern is actually gothic
No.
>>9090833
>post coords and stuff.
This was the shittiest thread you guys. I was expecting fucking Japanese street snaps of gothic lolita outfits.
And it's an argument I've seen like 500 times on this board.
>>9091596
Says who? Post examples if you want to prove a point.
>>9091597
This is a gothic and hime meshup. Please get out if you posted this as sweet.
>>9091593
I critique the same way when it's real people posting their own coords and giving example instead of just 'well I feel it's this' with very subjective and often odd opinions about what makes what in lolita regardless of their Western gothic fashion bias and nothing but loud opinions to back it up. "Well it just feels goth-y to me so it's Gothic Lolita" is certainly a creative new one.
>>9091602
>holy lantern is actually gothic
>I am a lying cunt
holy lantern CAN be styled gothic in certain colorways.
>>9091609
But HL shouldn't be considered gothic. None of the shapes are gothic AT ALL, and the gothic themes to it are cutesy(plus crosses are in 99% of AP sweet recently)
>>9091612
But you can see how all of that, which is a picture directly from AP, is sweet even though it's all black can't you?
>>9091606
Which elements are the gothic ones here?
>>9091616
The ones anon is pulling out of their ass.
>>9091613
>posts goddamned pink high waist
ok lol
>>9091608
Ah I see what you are saying! Yes I think critique is important definitely and I support that for sure. I guess I was just saying it's unfair to categorize someone's entire attempt at gothic as something else because of one mismatched accessory.
Though yes I think the "gothy feel" thing is a bit ridiculous.
It's all really a moot point, goth-y chan is either new, clueless, both, doesn't wear Lolita or all 3. If we start seeing sweet stuff styled so goff in CoF then we will shoot it down as usual but I'm thinking they are just a hot topic refugee who got a bug in their butt after stumbling on Lolita fashion on tumblr and discovering the chan.
>>9091615
>no shoes
>no legwear
>wtf headwear
>full coord
Dumping some gothic lolita that uses jewel tones and whites as the base instead of black
>>9091616
It's hime and sweet there is no gothic besides the colour. Anon is reaching hard.
>>9091619
HL is what sweet lolitas wear for a Halloween coord or to feel edgy desu senpai. It's not gothic just because it has bats on it.
>>9091627
Did I say it was a full coord? No. You asked for an example of sweet that is black and I gave it to you.
