New larp thread, previous one is in autosage ( >>9001709 ), standard procedure.
Now with 10% less HEMA/HMB/SCA/etc bullshit AND gluten free
Fuck that, you ain't taking my gluten you fucking slav!
>>9014252
>>9013818
>$80 burgerbucks
>I'm with ---- Thats a rip.
In case you did not know, things cost more in Europe. Even if you shop overpriced stuff from abroad it can still be cheaper than buying stuff domestically.
Since there is no re enactment thread ill just ask it here.
What is a good company for re enactment weapons, ive heard kovex ars and jiri krondak(fabri armorum) are very good.
>>9014284
No, that trash shouldn't cost more than 50€.
>>9014311
depends on what you what, where you live, what you will use it inside reenactment.
New member of SCA reporting in. I'm attending my first Border Raids this weekend for the first time. I don't even know what's happening all weekend as I haven't seen a schedule. Any advice for a newbie?
>>9014548
I'm no SCA but if its a battle then just follow those seem to know what they are doing and dont panic keep a cool head everything is gonna be alrigth.
Also i wont go into details because this is kinda frustrating but there is some new rules at bico and lots of people are not really happy about that.
i'm okay with everything except the armor part.
>Everything does 1 damage.
(yeah okay make sense so when we get hit in the back its easier to know in the middle of the battle how much hitpoint you have left, everything is fine there okay proceed)
>Siege engines kill you on the spot even if it touches your shield
Yeah okay that doesnt change its chill , make sense.
>Monster can now be killed by anybody
hey thats actually nice, they have a limited amount of hitpoints and kill you if they touch you (except your shield and/or weapon). this way we dont have to rely on ''runic'' figthers to ''save the day'' ...it was bullshit really i still think monsters are a nuisance but its my opinion.
>Plate armor protect 2 hits.
Yeah okay... so it will take 3 hits to kill a armored dude...this....okay i guess its like gn de guerre rules! holy shit gn de guerre was awesome!
>chainmail protect 1 point
wait what...
>leather protect 1 point
but i...
>gambeson does not give any point anymore
but...but my gambison is...thicker than...leather...
>fuck you
but i....i'm still a client
>no really fuck you
but i...
>we have joust now
i never wanted any
>too bad we have to make money with tourism
you have like 15 ''non-profit organisation'' under false name working for you and you dont pay your people working for you
>we built a shower
we're cool now.
>>9014626
>Yeah okay... so it will take 3 hits to kill a armored dude
so everyone has one hitpoint?
Anyway those armor rules are pretty similar to most boffertag rules.
>>9014663
Yeah thats not that bad.
Its the fact that a 50 lbs steel chainmail is the exact same amount of armor than a fucking fantasy leather armor.
>>9014666
consider this Satan: now you will see waaaaaay more shit tier leather armor.
That, and shit tier chainmail made out of aluminium or can openers
>>9014626
>>we built a shower
>we're cool now.
I think a lot of people think that way about their campaigns.
We have about the same rules when it comes to armor here, except that we have 2 base hp for humans and armor points are calculated when you check in. A chainmail shirt and a helmet can give you two extra if they are big enough.
Only problem is that everything else gets 3 base hp and the campaign is crawling with undead and demons who are either unkillable or has a ton of hp / regeneration effects. I would gladly sacrifice one hp if I could kill those fuckers instead of getting slowly slaughtered every damn night.
What shops are considered the best for costumes and armour? Looking to get myself a gambeson and a 14-16 gauge helm.
>>9014311
Purpose/Period/Budget/Location. You should know the drill now.
>>9014548
Which boarder raids? Kingdom?
>Any advice for a newbie?
*Bring extra socks and underwear
*bring stuff to eat off of, as you never know who will offer food: A cup, bowl, plate, fork, knife, spoon and napkin are great for feast, but a cup, noggin and knife will do for daily use.
*If its going to be sunny, wear a hat, and not sunglasses.
*If it might get cold or wet, bring appropriate clothes
*dont be afraid to bring a camera.
*If you have any handcrafts or the like to do to keep you busy, it never hurts.
*A deck of cards can be a great friendmaker.
>>9014626
>I'm no SCA but if its a battle then just follow those seem to know what they are doing and dont panic keep a cool head everything is gonna be alrigth.
He wont be fighting most likely. You need several weeks of practice, a harness to use, and to pass an authorization test.
>>9014626
>gambeson does not give any point anymore
Welcome to burgerland boffer rules. Don't forget: you're here forever.
>>9014626
touching on the armor thing, I wish there was a LARP in my area that was "armor as worn". Basically a boffer tag version of video related, where tactics matter...also gropey you will like this vid if you havent seen it already
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C46AHAhjyI&index=4&list=FL1lJSv0Yx-YeuMT67Ga9IPQ
>>9014329
Second part of the 15th century, im just asking who is the best .
>>9015663
yes but what kind of sword and which country.
We can tell you a few word famous blacksmiths who's stuff you probably couldn't afford or tell you a few more affordable ones but those will hugely depend on which country are you in. I mean technically you can order from other countries too, but it's only a good idea if you can't get it with similar quality from elsewhere or for similar price
Going to grab a Gambeson soon. Colourwise-Do I get pic related, or same thing but Black?
>>9016304
I wish I had gotten a natural/white one to be honest, my whole kit managed to turn out entirely black in the end.
>>9016304
get it in magenta
>>9016341
I'm afraid Magenta will look a bit too lordly or noble, which won't work when I'm willing to play a common soldier.
>>9016353
then how about black outside, magenta inside?
>>9016360
Unless I misunderstood, I don't see the point in having a different colour on the inside?
Earlier today I went to a renaissance faire, and very kindly lady thought I would look nice in a coat she had on, so I tried it on. This thing is very comfortable, and I liked how it looked.
Regardless of historical accuracy and such, I think I'd like something like this to wear around for other faires and maybe a larp if I ever find the time to start.
Does anyone know what this kind of coat would be called, and, more importantly, what that kind of fabric is? If you think there's a better thread for asking about the name/fabric, could you point me to it?
>>9016361
style
>>9016367
But others won't see the Magenta, I think? Or maybe I misunderstood what you meant.
>>9016371
it won't be shown all the time but it will be seen from time to time. It's a subtle touch of stlye
>>9016382
Not bad!
Is that you/your gambeson? Where can I get one?
>>9016383
it's a friend of mine on the pic. He got the gambeson from Ukraine. Funny story actually because when he ordered it they said because of some fuckups they don't have enough material to do a fully black gambeson for him so he can choose that he will either have a magenta outside, black inside gambeson or a black outside, magenta inside. At the end it turned out way better than expected.
>>9016391
It sure did come out for the best, then!
Another question: Is there anywhere I can see gamebsons in different colours with all sorts of armours on them, so I'd know what would fit the most?
>>9016393
we know. He knows it too. He can be fabulous as fuck. In fact he already has a kid, which is kind of shocking if you know him.
I mean he is the one who coined down the the term "nigger beating stick" around here, among other things.
Also he is the one I'm larping with for the longest time. Sometimes I tell stories here about the old times when me nad a friend of mine "terrorized" in game whole larps, just the two of us could keep in fear 50+ people during the night. He is that friend.
He has a great deal of charisma and good with the sword. Although he has various flaws for this min/maxing. Like, he can get lost in a stairway.
>>9016399
google would be my first try but I have a few pics too and not yet sleeping. Anything more specific you want?
>>9016401
Sounds like a really cool guy to hang around with.
>>9016403
I tried googling "gambeson with armour", "natural gambeson with armour", "black gambeson with armour" and I found about one or two that were helpful.
As for things I want-Pretty much any outfit/armour build the shows the gambeson-Gambeson with a tabard, gambeson and spaulders, etc. Don't wanna drop too much work on you anything.
How would I make a gambeson? Cram a bunch of cotton padding between quilting pattern fabric?
>>9016411
cool guy if you can stand casual racism and a really high fpm (fucks per minute) Which I find hilarious but that's me. Also he is a very heavy drinker, even among eastern europeans. But a fun guy anyway, I can work with him in a team like with noone else.
Anyway here is one sample of gambesons, although the second from the right is more of a padded jack
>>9016416
varies. You can get away with just a lot of layers, but stuffing the thing is also viable, although you have to know where to stop.
And cotton might not be the best material for it as it doesn't breath that much.
>>9016420
Whoa, that pic is fucking beautiful. Is it some HMB or something? Or Ren fair?
I could use more awesome pics like this one if you feel like it, but don't wanna make it feel like a drag for you
>>9016424
it's from a reenactment battle. some people from my Landsknecht reenactment group. That's basically how the early landsknechts looked like late 15th century when they were all new and not so gaudy.
And don't worry about it I can't sleep anyway.
Also with armour you will see probably way more arming doublets than gambesons. Gambeson is usually for chainmail and transitional armour and you can't see much of the gambeson from those. Sometimes it's worn stand alone but those are thicker. And there are of course the padded jacks that are standalone textile armours on their own right.
And there are a fuckton of different stuff too
>>9016437
What's an arming doublet?
I think I've seen it once, but I thought it was thinner than the gambeson?
>>9016440
arming doublet is basically a doublet with laes and stuff so you can attach your armour on it. And yes it's thinner than a gambeson. Usually it's just a few layers thin because the plate armour you use it with are better at distributing the force so you don't need that much padding.
Then even later people just wore their usual doublet under the armor when the attaching points weren't needed anymore and your usualy civilian clots were enough under the armor (that still meant 2-3 layers of linen and 1-2 layers of wool at least)
![tumblr_nyh6c6NHvu1rjkl6po1_500[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yZD07Jj.jpg "tumblr_nyh6c6NHvu1rjkl6po1_500[1].jpg")
here is a very good reconstruction of a padded jack
>>9016467
His back is only covered by the jack?
Is it thicker than Gambeson?
>>9016472
yes and yes.
there were a lot of armors that just didn't had a backplate or it was optional. usually you doesn't need it.
>>9016479
If the enemy is behind you, you're probably dead regardless
>>9016484
more or less.
There are exceptions of course, like for cavalry. Cavalry is always an exception. They go either skirmishing around the enemy or charge right inside their formation so they different and more protective armour generally, so backplate wasn't really optional for them
>>9016437
A padded jack what Gropalope wears, yes? Anyone know where he got his?
>>9016502
just don't forget that kettle hats are the helmet master race and the coolest ones
>>9016504
his mother made it for him
>>9016507
Seen some of your posts about it in the past and I never got wether it's some LARP joke I fail to understand or you legit like Kettles the most
>>9016507
> his mother made it for him
Thats kind of awesome
>>9016512
I legit like kettle hats the most and I also like to pull gropalopes leg with it and everyone who is into closed helmets.
I seriously think they over estimate the advantages of closed helmets. I get it that protection is important but it's not THAT hard to protect your face and the added advantage that you can breath freely is a huge plus.
tl;dr: if it was good enough for thousands of soldiers and dozens of kings, it's good enough for me.
>>9016523
They're cool, I agree. Only two things that prevent me from buying one:
1) Will they fit a more noble character? They're great if you're some infantry or a grizzled veteran, but will it work for a knight/paladin/noble?
2) How badass can you look with it?
>>9016528
1.) if it decorated enough or the proper style then it can fit a noble. There are examples of heavily decorated ones. But even a simple one if covered in textile can fit a noble. Just cover it with some more expensive textile and do some embroilment on it or something. If you are in doubt, add feathers. You can never have enough feathers.
2.) it's not the helmet that makes you badass
>>9016528
What about paladins and such, for dem Fantasy LARPs? Would they work?
Just found out they look pretty decent when a bevor is added.
I'll have to admit most of my image about close helms comes from things like Game of Thrones and Dark Souls, so my thought of them as badass may come from there (It's somehow never the dude in who gets to be the badass fighter thing)
>>9016523
I just like closed helmets more because they look cooler to me. I'm a big fan of anything that covers the face. Masks, veils, helmets, anything.
>>9016391
dat hair ...id court him for a dowry of 2 fallow fields and an ox.
>>9016401
>>9016437
>>9016459
>>9016467
>>9016479
>>9016482
>>9016485
>>9016507
>>9016523
>>9016527
>>9016559
these pics tho...
seriously, if I wanted to move to Hungary after the inevitable Trump victory can survive?
>have 3 sets of armor
>have brown skin
>have a trade skill
>have starting capital
>have an interest in white western culture/SCA/LARP
>basically willing to assimilate the values of Hungary.
>>9016821
only one of those pics are from hungary mind you.
But about living in hungary... well you have brown skin which is a drawback, but if you have money people can turn a blind eye to that.
Our SCA scene is non existent, and the larp scene is close to it too.
About hungarian values... We hate each other, not just the foreigners. That's pretty much the base of it, although sometimes we pretend otherwise
planning on making this for post-apo, any tips?
>>9016905
>any tips?
it's always good to stop and think for at least 5 minutes before you shit in someones pool
>>9016908
fuck you
>>9016911
well, I don't live your life, if you want to shit in other peoples pool on impulse that's on you, but still it's better to think about it beforehand
Another question about kettles!
Somehow I always see Kettle-helmeted warriors using a polearm, but never shieldmen. Does it look too weird for a shieldman to wear one?
>>9016916
no, not really. It's just polearms are clearly better
>>9016920
In a real fight, or in LARPs?
Would they work with a center grip shield? And do you perhaps have any more kettles shieldman?
>>9016926
better in a real fight, but shields have their places too.
In most larp systems though shileds are way more overpowered but depends on the system.
And are you asking if kettle hats works with a center grip shields? Because I see no way that a helmet would invalidate any kind of shield use.
If you ask for polearms, bucklers can be used in conjunction with a polearm.
And yes have a few more somewhere I will post a few but I'm playing Stellaris right now and have to exterminate a bird species for the good of all mankind, or at least for the part of mankind that is under my empire
>>9016935
Good luck with exterminating the birds, we all count on you!
I didn't mean it in the fashion of wether it's physically possible or not. It just I feel like some combinations just don't work too well or look rather silly (i.e. a knight in 14th century armour and a katana, a viking-era dressed dude with a halberd, etc. I can stretch it to anachronistic stuff but to an extent)
>>9016941
depends on the shield and the helmet. I mean a viking shiled with a late era kettle hat obviously looks strange. A buckler on the other hand is totally okay.
Then again for some people that would look strange too.
At the end of the day it's all about style. If you pimp up your gear in a way that it looks whole and good then noone will care if it's authentic or not. As long as you are larping and not doing reenactment
>>9016821
>not wanting to take your SCA gear and join the other patriotic brown people
>not wanting to prove yourself to the God Emperor by joining the crusade against the unwalled
Disgusting
>>9016965
Reenactment isn't currently my thing although it looks like great fun.
I had some if the kit I want planned out, just not syre if it'll all match
Hey Gropey, does your mom take commissions?
>>9017088
What's the thing with those bands they have on their helmets?
Also, I think you convinced me to go with Kettles. How can I differ between them? Is there a site or anything where I can see all their types and what is each of them named?
>>9017140
This is either going to be a nice deal offer or a childish and siqq burn
>>9017181
>What's the thing with those bands they have on their helmets?
dunno, always forget the english term. It's just a piece of cloth wrapped around the helmet, sometimes people wet it to help cooling of.
>How can I differ between them? Is there a site or anything where I can see all their types and what is each of them named?
Never seen a site that I can suggest to others, either missing a fuckton things or just plain bullshit.
Try looking up museum pages and doing research all around generally. No easy way that I know of
>>9017194
Alright.
One last question: All those pictures you post here, do you mind if I post them in other places and such?
>>9017204
I posted them on 4chan. It's already on at least a dozen archives and fuck knows how many other sites. If I would care about it to not go other places I wouldn't posted them
>>9017215
Thanks.
Really gotta appreciate you for all the help you give people here and such
>>9017216
have to balance my karma between two shitposting
>>9017221
>>9017226
Taking back what I said about badasses and kettles
>>9017236
Huh, that type of breastplate.. I've seen one in the same style on display and just assumed it was some wacky ww1 body armour.
>>9017357
it was a transitional/experimental type of armor, existed for roughly 30-40 years and then people dropped it as it didn't gave you anything more than the other armors
>>9017357
Boob sag plate.
It seemed like a good idea at the time but then they realised that not that many warriors actually had sagging boobs.
>>9016518
Damn straight it is. Made with love. And linen.
>>9016523
And I counter your kettlesperging.
>>9016821
>>have 3 sets of armor
Most of it shit
>have brown skin
Thats a negative in Slavistan
>have a trade skill
Probably not nearly as good as the locals.
>>have starting capital
I have some local investment opportunities
>have an interest in white western culture/SCA/LARP
OREO
>basically willing to assimilate the values of Hungary.
Racism, drinking and squatting?
>>9016905
>>9016911
Hungarian is giving you good advice, and you should heed him. Same goes for shitting in fire pits.
>>9016969
>Disgusting
Agreed. We must start our own medieval fortified town to survive the comming trumpocalypes
>>9017140
Nope. We got enough of our own work that needs doing.
>>9017181
Its called a torse I have dumped the pattern here a half dozen times.
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/cgl/thread/S8852388#p8867546
>>9017189
My mom kicks ass. Literally, used to do competitive judo.
So last weekend I was at No Rest for the Wicked, a Warhams 40k Rogue Trader game. We laughed, we cried, we drank and we killed the fuck out of load of Dark Eldar.
Oh, and this fucking thing too.
>>9017550
In that case I'd say she throws ass, rather than kicking it.
Also post 10/10 kits
>friend and I are driving back from larp today
>he tells me when he was captured he had his dick rubbed by a married woman and a woman I thought was gay
>Other friend confirms this and they asked him to torture him
Anyone else have lewd moments at LARP
>>9015647
Nice illegal greave shot m8.
>>9017807
Had two separate girls touch my legs at a campfire.
First one did it after I bragged about how much gold I make, timely enough we got attacked by demons.
Second one was, rubbing my leg with an axe and you kinda know what that usually ends up with...
>>9017550
We could do it. Didn't the SCA get investigated by the government for their potential threat to the nation?
>>9017844
The thing I remember was the SCA being designated the 2nd Largest Paramilitary force in the states by the FBI. The biggest? Boy Scouts.
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>>9016364
That is just one more take on a classic surcote. A more specific name isn't really viable since there were so many variations, and there are equivalents all over Europe and Asia.
As for historical accuracy, I don't think those cap sleeves were done until centuries after the surcote went out of fashion, so that would make it even more difficult to put a name on it.
If you want it made later on, just ask for a front split surcoat with cap sleeves, a decent tailor will know what you mean.
While I can't tell what the actual fabric or weave is from that picture, what you want is "diamond stitched fabric" if you want the aesthetic.
>>9016364
>>9018286
I am 90% sure its supposed to be a generic men's Persian qaba.
>>9017608
>Those spindly little legs
That's a target.
>>9017550
>And I counter your kettlesperging.
just stay behind the counter
>Racism, drinking and squatting?
let's be honest here. squatting isn't really done in hungary. but you can chalk up alcoholism instead of that
>>9018424
>squatting isn't really done in hungary
Suuuure its not, slav.
>>9018485
American spotted.
Doing my first fantasy larp in a few weeks. I have access to. What do people do for pants? I'm wearing gambeson, pauldrons, and gorget up top with some leather gloves. I can make pants, I'm a decent seamstress, but don't know where to really start. Just plain cloth, earthy color?
My character is warrior priest.
>>9018485
I think you'll find that there are only slavs in the Hungarian Navy.
Unless you think that everyone from eastern Europe is a "slav". in which case, by your logic, I guess everyone in America is a mexican.
>>9018409
They are only spindly in comparison to the rest. Also, by how the system works, hitting those bits wouldn't give any advantage over just smacking it, which is easier to do elsewhere.
>>9018603
Black, brown, beige/natural are good neutral colors if you dont have a color scheme going. Its important that they are durable and dirt resistant enough to be able to be used as pants especially if you want to fight in them. And don't be afraid of putting in some elastic bands to help with comfort.
Otherwise its fine to go with an all black sweatpants if it has no markings.
>>9017236
Name of the plate please?
>>9017789
Nice helmet, what's the name?
>>9018652
it's basicallya kastenbrust, somewhere around 1420-1450 (probably closer to 20 than to 50). German version.
There were a lot of other kind of kastenbrusts, more rounded ones too but those were italian versions.
>>9018603
just some regular pants could do as a first try. But you can look at the medieval tailors assistant for period pants, or look up venetian hose for some simple stuff, although for that you will also need some knee socks or the period equivalents (and probably it won't match a gambeson)
>>9018674
nice, thanks
>>9018733
Also, I remember seeing a guide for making a boffer spear( I think it was a spear) a while ago. Anyone have it by chance?
>>9018424
>squatting isn't really done in hungary
I know fire pits that say otherwise
>>9018576
>>9018607
Here in LARPthread, Hungarians are dirty, tracksuit wearing, racist drunken Slavs. As a magical gypsy, you can trust me.
>>9018603
>>9018638
>>9018733
Sweatpants are good, as are cotton pajama bottoms. Don't be afraid of colors or plaids. You can also dress them up to make them look and fit betterL Wams/Winnegas/Leg wraps are good for earlier period feels, while tall socks and garters are more late-period.
Crude MS paint related
>>9018781
you are like an unicorn Gropey
>>9018745
anything closer? there are a fuckton of tutorials out there (although not all of them noteworthy in my opinion)
But here are a small collection I have on various larp related stuff
https://picasaweb.google.com/102150401639510130489/PatternsAndStuff
>>9018789
Look man, don't kinkshame me. Consensual non-consent is fun.
What are some places in America to get a good looking sugarloaf helmet in 12 gauge for around $500?
>>9018916
From an SCA/ACL armourer.
Purpose?
>>9016304
My Gambeson has just came out of a second round of being dyed, it was originally white.
Anyone here has been to Kandorya? I'm going to the next one, in July, and it will be my first, is there anything I should know about it?
>>9018941
SCA heavy fighting.
>>9018781
Any wam/winnegas/leg wrap retailers that you would reconmend?
>>9019029
What did you dye with, just regular old dye?
>>9019272
>I feel like a broken record as no one ever checks the archives.... Mad Matt.
Those helmets he sells though don't look really special, and my budget is up to $500.
>>9019282
Yeah, used a brand called Dylon. First packet left a couple of noticeably lighter patches, so used a second pack.
>>9019287
If you're asking this question here on 4chan, its safe to say you're new enough that the $500 is better spent on a decent, but simple helm and using the rest of the money to upgrade the rest of your kit. You asked for good looking, which i took to mean "historical". You can dress such helms up with brass work and painting.
Otherwise, you're looking at a custom commission, as fancy sugarloaves are not in demand in the SCA. I am sure they are out there, but even people who play in that period go for more distinct helms when they drop that kind of dosh.
https://sites.google.com/site/knotwolfarmory/
http://www.aesirmetalwyrks.com/
If you have the time, and have the knowledge and patience to make sure they build it SCA legal:
http://www.steel-mastery.com/en/plate-armour/helmets/blued-sugarloaf-helm
>>9019287
Here you go. Go nuts, but heed my advice.
http://www.aesirmetalwyrks.com/sca-sugarloaf.html
>>9019029
Interesting that the sewing threads survived.
>>9019373
The thread is most likely a polycotton
>>9019428
If you have only talked to local guys and are asking for armourers on 4chan, then you need to get talking to more folks, get on the Armour Archive, and start with something simpler than going for a $500 helm.
How long have you been fighting? How many helms have you owned?
If you haven't owned a helm before, and have less than a year of solid fight time, get something quality, but simple, as you still don't actually know what you want and need yet, no matter what you think.
Its like deciding what plane you want to buy, without ever having flown
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>>9018618
Oh, I know, I know. Just saying some fabric there to hide it, much as the face has been, would not have gone amiss, or some electric tubing.
>>9014807
Hi Gropey, nice to see you. I've a favor to ask. I searched but couldn't find your directions for using clown makeup and spray sealant to lay down a perfect white base for Shiro Nuri when someone asked. Would you please link or repost? Promise I'll save them in a good place this time.
Joining a Western larp in August with my gf and some friends. Drew up some costume concepts for each of us. Her costume should be easy to buy piece by piece, but mine will probably need to look hand made.
The biggest issues will probably be a neat looking shirt and pants. I'm thinking native american inspired with an animal hide looking material. Any good guides to making basic shirts/trousers?
>>9019797
Here you go.
>>9019811
Thank you so much!
>>9019816
I take thanks in the form of cash, land and serfs.
So when picking armor for a character do you go helmet first and then the rest of the armor in that era or do you go at it the other way around?
>>9019878
If we're talking about larp characters, the first thing you should do is get a feel for the rough culture and time period your race/setting is based off of.
>But Gropey, its fantasy!
Yes, but you'll notice that factions, races and setting usually take inspiration or tech-level from real-world counterparts. Using Warhammer for example, the Empire is basically fantasy 16thC German Holy Roman Empire. Bretonnia is firmly Arthurian/Crusades French. Tilea is Ren DaVinci-punk Italy etc.
Also, ask the major question: Does your character even wear a helmet?
If we're talking historic recreation like SCA or the like, you should really just flatly pick a time span of 50 years and vague region, if not a decade and country.
>>9014231
Lookit all those fancy hats. Does anyone have any ideas of a good seller/maker of fancy hats?
I'm aiming vaguely renaissance Italy and certainly fancy and foppish. (Also able to cover my character's mouse ears because god damn it that headband hurts eventually.)
>>9019963
http://www.zvab.com/9783938922170/3938922176/plp
If you feel like trying your hand at making your own, this thing is pretty good.
>>9019963
those tallerberrets on the pic are pretty easy to make for yourself
>>9020083
>I don't mind the thread not taking the dye, it gives a tiny bit of contrast, and the House colours are blue and silver so it fits reasonably well.
It looks better and makes it seem less like a cheaply dyed piece of clothing.
>>9019878
In addition to what Gropey said, I feel like for a fantasy larp, it's less important to go with a helmet first. Historically it's what you'd want to do, but in a larp there's rarely much reason to wear one outside of looking good. By contrast, lower arms and legs tend to get hit a lot, so from a purely practical standpoint, I would look at bracers and greaves first.
>>9020718
A lot of people skip helmets because they don't do as much good as they do in real combat, and usually don't bring more hp points (or if any at all) than a maille or plate armor.
But if a newbie comes up and tries to break down your shield wall with a calimacil sword, you better fucking have a helmet on.
How do you build a kit in a LARP without a real time period?
The rulebook talks about Arthurian times, and lord of the rings in the same breath.
Looking at the player, its a mishmash of video games and movies.Should I just build a kit like that? Whatever I think looks cool? Or stick to a time period and build around whatever I choose.
>>9020763
>if fantasy larp
choose whatever type of a character you are that fits the scene and build a kit accordingly
>if historical larp
choose an actual character out of history for the place and time the larp revolves around and build a kit accordingly
>>9020767
Yeah, its just a fantasy larp.
I was planning to just build a cool looking kit. I'm just torn between making an accurate/functional kit vs. a kit for larping. Wearing armor gives a benefit, but not enough to justify wearing a full suit of plate.
>>9020797
>I'm just torn between making an accurate/functional kit vs. a kit for larping
People typically have a number of different sets so that they can attend multiple larps and use different characters. One tip in making a set is to have pieces of your equipment work between other sets to save storage space and money and time.
And do keep in mind that some cool fantasy sets are used by half the human population and a lot of non-human characters, you wont be unique if you come in all black and leather and a hoodie. Good part of it though is that you get virtually untraceable if you get in to trouble.
>"- Excuse me citizens, but did you perhaps see a black clothed and hooded man come past here in the last 30 minutes?"
>"- Yes, we saw about 8 men fitting that description in the last 30 minutes, which one do you mean?"
Boy did I feel stupid just asking that.
Reminds me of that Danish agent comic where he gets a contract to kill a furry, and the police just gave up because finding and interrogating 300 wolf boys from a furcon to find the killer is impossible.
>>9020797
Well, if they talk about Tolkien and Arthurian stuff with regard to the same region, what they probably mean is your typical Europe-inspired fantasy look, which leaves you with a lot of wiggle room. If you want to make a more knightly costume, you can't go wrong with a tabard and chainmail.
>>9020875
I have access to a full set of plate, but I don't want to wear that shit all weekend. So Im probably just going to take some pieces off and wear gambeson underneath.
What fabric should I use to make a tabard?
Also how difficult it is to make one?
>>9021049
Depends on how fancy you want to be, and what style/how complex
There is no shame in a cotton duck-cloth (canvas) simple rectangular tabbard.
>>9021119
Are there 'styles' for tabards? Basically I thought of making it like a normal tabard until my waist, then nake it more a-shape and cut it.
I don't know what will be best though.
>>9021119
>>9021121
Pic related is the pattern I thought going for.
>>9021123
Can you sew, hem and bias?
>>9021123
I made like five of these in 3 days once, they're not difficult, assuming you know your way around a sewing machine, Even easier if you don't line them.
I used the same type of shape as you're talking about. I'd make it flare out starting at the hips though.
>>9021134
>>9021134
Yeah, the trickiest bit its sewing the biastape around the compound hem.
>>9021123
http://tutorials.abbott.me.uk/high-quality-kit/how-to-make-a-surcote is the tutorial I used for mine, it turned out excellent and has lasted a long time.
![large[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/WOlgz4h.jpg "large[1].jpg")
>>9020797
>not enough to justify wearing a full suit of plate.
Then don't. Plate armour is never cheap. It's either expensive and good, or it's cheap which means it's an expensive mistake.
You might even get completely fucked and get an expensive one that's bad.
As much as I enjoy ragging on leather armour, whenever I wish to go lightly armoured (which is more due to class restrictions than anything else), I end up wearing one of these WW1 leather vests. Padded, flexible, warm, has the leather look and fits a lot of fantasy characters.
>>9020718
>but in a larp there's rarely much reason to wear one outside of looking good
that's the MOST IMPORTANT reason to wear anything.
and leg armour is overhyped. People always ask why I don't wear leg armour. Simply because if you use proper weapons it's not likely that you will get hit on the legs
>>9021375
>proper weapons
being?
>>9021516
anything two handed
>>9021338
I meant, I have a suit I can borrow. Its a pretty nice suit of plate. Worn it before, It fits pretty good. Just heavy, and when I comes to fighting, I prefer speed.
Fighting what sort of people will give me the closest experience of facing legit medieval fighters? (Skillwise)
SCAdians? Decent-level HEMAfags? Reenactors? HMBfags? Or anything else I missed?
>>9022082
HEMA probably. They try to stick to ye old manuals.
>>9021375
>that's the MOST IMPORTANT reason to wear anything.
You make a convincing argument.
>>9021375
>If you use proper weapons ... hit on the legts
Elaborate? What would be proper weapons for you? I've seen, given and recieved plenty of thigh/calf strikes with all sort of weapons DESU.
>>9022300
He's being facetious about polearms (which are the master race of weapons).
>>9021643
>and when I comes to fighting, I prefer speed.
yes, but armor keeps you alive.
I have to leave in the morning for Empire, should probably at least start packing...
>>9022530
Could be a good idea.
I usually pack everything two days ahead in case I missed anything that needs maintenance/cleaning, or if I forget something.
>>9022530
I've just finished my packing. Well at least the stuff that fits in bags. Will chuck it all in the car in the morning.
>>9022546
Normally I do too but have really got distracted last few days! My mistake!
>>9022558
I am currently tidying and rooting around in my shed.
Are there people who are worthy of being considered good LARP fighters? Or is the combat in LARP not good enough to consider one as a good swordsman and such?
If there are, ever met any? Would love to hear stories and such
>>9022621
I use a crossbow and have a reputation for shooting people in the balls. If that counts?
>>9022621
There are definitely people who are good at larp fighting. You can be a good swordsman, some skills carry over(things like defence and distance) but actual fightin is fundamentally different because of power. larp is about speed and landing hits anywhere. Any actual fighting is about hitting the right area with force.
>>9022650
crossbow bro. It is the best weapon
>>9022082
Doesn't quite work that way, as they all have pros and cons, based on the limitations of the systems.
*HEMA is still essentially sport fencing, and based on theory and drill, even with their free-sparing. You don't actually hit eachother in a meaningful way, no matter what they may say otherwise.
*SCA Heavy is good for melee training and pain tolerance, but no matter what is still tournament fighting with batons, and disallows many things as safety concessions (IE, no joint locks, shots to the shin, etc)
*HMB/ACL is a straight up, full on brawl, but lacks thrusting in any form.
*Reenactors don't actually fight per-say, but may have crossover training.
A mixture of all three is where its at. Cross-system master-race!
>>9022096
Negative. Every pure-HEMA guy I have met who has stepped into harness has had a great battle plan.... Until I popped them in the side of the head with a flatsnap, or kick them in the shin with a mailled boot. They get so comfortable with their system, they simply have no conditioning to fighting with intent to force submission.
>>9022277
Live fast, look fabulous.
>>9022621
Depends on the system.
Most American games, no.
>>9022798
under HEMA I'm pretty sure you are talking about the american version of it and with that criteria I agree with you.
Also don't be so hard on the BotN variants. They do real fencing. I mean they grab the fence all the time
>>9022300
Polearms mostly but as I said anything two handed, so two handed and and and a half swords are valid too.
I mean honestly every once in a while you can get ahit on your leg but if you don't do anything retarded you can protect it pretty much.
Obviously you need a non retarded fighting system too but I take that as granted
What would be the best place to buy a gambeson?
Perferrably sent with UPS/DHL since our local mailing service is bad, and preferrably with laced/removable/half sleeves since I live in a hot country.
>>9023201
Also stating I'll be at DF this year. Is it better to buy there, or order from somewhere?
>>9023223
You tend to pay festival prices at festivals, so I suggest buying elsewhere.
>>9023223
the problem with buying at DF you will get the overpriced mediocer stuff that mytholon, wyvern and the others sell. Their price will be the same as you would get from the webshop, it's just overprice compared the quality by default.
But it's good enough for larping and it's not like you can get it way more cheaper a decent one either.
My main problem is the material they use, cotton is not the worst option but still not as good as linen.
But the advantage of buying at DF is that you can try it on before buying.
As for proper gambeson... well you have to search the interwebz or find your loal crafters who can make it.
>>9023179
>Also don't be so hard on the BotN variants. They do real fencing. I mean they grab the fence all the time
Not any more. North American ACL/HMB just passed a new rule: Hold the bar more than five seconds while actively engaged, and you're out. Many other countries have adopted it, and it will go international soon.
I fully support it.
>>9023258
fencing will never be the same again
>>9023251
Are there no linen gambeson there at all? I don't know much, but I understand linen is much better because it 'breathes' more.
>>9023334
Linen gambs are rare as its now cost prohibitive. Canvas weight linen is not exactly common, and hell, finding shirt or suit weight is a pain and adds up quick.
You dont wanna know what my jack would cost at retail.
>>9023334
maybe at etsy or something but not in big larpshops that I know of.
>>9023409
What are the differences between them? Like, what sort of 'advantages' does Linen have over Cotton?
Also, a general request: Do any of you have some straight-out cool or impressive photos of LARPs? Not nessecarily where you show in, so anything goes really.
Purpose of this is to show them to people who don't know much about LARP and showing them how cool it can be, so the more variety the better-Combat, cool outfits in general, feasts, photos which show people who are In Character, etc.
>>9023507
linen is better at breating. Also better at absorbing water and worse at holding it.
The second part is important. Thisd means it's not just absorb the water and holds it as a sponge but let's it evaporate which is the thing that cools you. All in all, in linen stuff you less likely to overheat or at least not as much.
About pictures... I have a literal fuckton of them, but I'm kind of tired now as I just got back from training.
I will post a few though and will continue it tomorrow
>>9023698
>head tattoo
>>9019805
I did a composite photo mock-up of the costume idea I had. Any recommendations or alterations?
>>9023765
Wear shoes.
>>9023854
Noted. Just couldn't find a good picture of moccasins to edit on
>Suggestion
Wouldn't it be better to just base your armor points on how much your gear weighs instead of flat and complex directives that everyone either hates or abuses?
It would rightfully nerf leather fags to a level where they belong, and actually encourage people to go beyond just carrying a metal cuirass or a small chain mail shirt if the system doesn't give bonuses for arm or leg protection. Gambesons could really benefit from this but they also sit in an odd position since they have a different protection level based on a number of different factors.
But lets say you get +1 hp for every 5kg of armor, starting at 3kg. Kids 10 and below start at 1kg and get their next at 3kg but with no extra points after that since they shouldn't be carrying "heavy" armor for safety reasons.
That seems more fair, right?
I'm thinking about sending this in to our game master and I want to have a good presentation with solid numbers in it, if anyone here is willing to give feedback to help me with that, which would be very much appreciated.
>>9023939
My game uses a system based on the protection of the piece * hit locations, so its basically weight. Leather _> Studded Leather -> mail -> plate.
Makes it sort of worth it to wear full plate.
>>9023939
The problem is that it's no more accurate than it was before. A chainmail hauberk is often heavier than a breastplate, but doesn't provide as much protective value IRL.
Is alternating riveted constructed chainmail weaker than all riveted chainmail?
>>9023677
>M'lord
>>9023507
>Also, a general request: Do any of you have some straight-out cool or impressive photos of LARPs?
sure do
>>9023685
10/10, would establish the superiority of humanity.
>>9023939
Its a horrible idea, as >>9024161 mentions, the biggest points in armour development is weight/protection/fit/cost. My plate is properly fit, from good materials and is both lighter and stronger than any maille.
>>9024248
Alternating what? A shirt is only as strong as the weakest link.
If its alternating solid-riveted, then its as strong as riveted. Its its alternating butted riveted, then its no better than butted.
>>9024451
>>9024451
>>9023765
put a little more stuff on your upper arm. Painting, random shit and bones, or just plain dirt.
>>9023939
>Wouldn't it be better to just base your armor points on how much your gear weighs instead of flat and complex directives that everyone either hates or abuses?
wouldn't it be better to not use retarded and complex directives? including basing your armour points on the weight of your stuff.
I mean weight isn't what protects you.
>>9024248
not weaker but as gropey said the weakest part will break first.
That said it can be stronger than your average chainmail with the right pattern.
Also there were japanese chainmail that was fixed on a strong textil/leather (can't remember which one) backing, but not every row.
>>9024484
Like I said, only as strong as the weakest links.
It should also be said that cultures (such as Japanese and Indian) that use butted maille as a primary construction, used significantly denser patterns to offset the weakness in question.
This is actually a good example of the weight-to-defense discussion we're having. Riveted/Welded links are much stronger, meaning you can use less material/less dense a weave, but the production time and labour greater than simple butted.
pic related. A style of Japanese 6-in-1
>>9024504
again, with some patterns or creative thinking you can make it stronger than a simple butted one. Yeah sure the butted one will give away just as easily but if the pattern is made in a way that if a butted gives away only a small area is destroyed then all in all it's stronger than one that is constructed only from butted ones.
Obviously at that point you can make al pieces riveted but still, the idea works
>>9024507
>>9024504
So this stuff would be just as strong as riveted.
>>9024834
are those whole rings? If yes then it would be just as strong or maybe stronger than riveted
>>9024846
Yeah whole rings, its cheaper than all riveted
Hey! So I wanna get into larping, I've fucked around with my friends making costumes and swingin shit but we want to go DEEPER - anyone know of any groups in South Florida? Or maybe where I can find more information?
You could also just change it so you win a LARP fight by forcing the enemy to the ground in a grapple and keeping him there.
>>9024905
Ru and Esh-Esh lives in South Florida afaik I will summon them here
Does anyone have any experience with Chows Emporium?
http://www.chowsemporium.co.uk
Their stuff looks really good and really well priced, but I'm worried it's one of those cheaply made clothing advertised well.
>>9024925
But milord what does this mean??
>>9025078
that there are two people in florida who are making great effort so the games they go on won't suck. Also they will probably know the local scene. They sometimes drop by in these threads. If they say something is good there then I will believe them.
That and I wrote on them on facebook to look at this thread
>>9025085
>>9024905
Hello.
So South FL, is basically a vast desert of No-Fun... The nearest decent LARP to us is DR, or Dystopia Rising... Which in my personal opinion has a shit sandwhich of a rules system, BUT A really good Staff and player base who both work hard to make the game fun.
We live near Fort Myers in South FL, and the nearest DR venue is up in Gainesville.
Do I recommend DR? Sure, if you go with a friend whos been, or talk to someone in advance so you know what your getting into.
I look at DR like playing old school Table top RPGs, Kinda Crap system, but you are there for the fun the DM and players provide...
Picture is a Sword that Esh-Esh Recently made for a player at DR.
P.S. DR is a distant post Apoc Zombie themed LARP.
>>9025268
>>9025066
Seconding this question, because those products do look very nice, and suspiciously cheap, and I'm always wary of prices that seem too fair. I may just order one of their things myself to see what it's like.
>>9025269
Esh-esh ever do tutorials? Would love to make something great.
Only have made duct tape boffers before,, but am stepping my game up this year. Working on a latex shield then a spear next.
>>9025376
Sometimes, she did a lil simple one for this piece. Other people have suggested she do a more in depth step by step for stuff like this, I'll try to nudge her in that direction.
http://rawringcrafts.tumblr.com/post/144584476891/thedrunkensatyr-rawringcrafts-another-boffer
Also we both can highly recommend Evil Teds Eva Foam Books
http://eviltedsmith.com/store/
