I bought my first kimono last year for black friday. With the holidays coming up, I was wondering if anyone has made any great purchases or are looking forward to any sales.
Feel free to post pictures, discuss & ask questions
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I'm slowly but surely getting addicted to sou's shop. Just received a bolt of hakkake silk, and I've got a michiyuki coat on the way. I've bought a kimono and hakama for cosplay in order to take them apart and see how they're made, but now I kinda want to get a set to wear...
>tfw you're tall and all the nice kimonos are like 155 cm long
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How should white people style them to avoid looking insane? These are all adorable but would not look cute on a westerner. Too bright and cheerful
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Wear something with less colorful abd patterned if you're uncomfortable in it? They do come in solid colors or subdued patterns.
I know kimono-yukata-market has a great selection of yukata, but what are some good shops with more modern styles and patterns?
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OP here and like >>8735502 said, just wear what you're comfortable with. The photos I dumped were just the kind of stuff I like but there's a lot more out there of course. I'll dump a few more photos of westerners in kimono.
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Are you looking for yukata sellers that outside japan/ship overseas or would you mind some japanese shops?
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Shinei is having a big sale till the end of the month.
A few years ago, I bought a mixed lot of h.naoto clothing from Yahoo Japan. Included in this lot was a "yukata" from h.anarchy/anarchy forever. I've been trying now and then ever since to figure out how the fuck to wear this thing.
It's black cotton with screenprinted bats and text all over it, as well as patches sewn on at the shoulder, back, and "front" hem in red and yellow plaids. The problem I'm having isn't just coordinating, but also even wearing the bloody thing.
It's a weird mix:
>sleeves have the miyatsukuchi/underarm opening, but are not open the full-length of the furi
>lenth of sleeves is like a tall-size/men's kimono, but length does not match that and is in between "women's" and "men's" length
>too long to wear unfolded, just enough length to get a decent ohashori, but only if it's considerably above ankle-length
>"rings" at top of sleeves and just under where the ohashori would fold up, cords inside sleeves and a few inches above the hem to "bustle" length and sleeves out of the way
>bizarre vent extension/back slit about 40-50cm long up back seam
>collar only sits properly when pulled quite low in back, rather than the standard distance from the nap; flops over otherwise
>came with hanhaba obi in black and white plaid on one side, with black twill printed with text and bats on the other, as well as coordinating drawstring pouch
I don't have photos, but I'll try to get some later. Basically, do I try to wear this at least semi-properly, or say fuck it and sell it on to someone who can figure it out?
>>8735894
It's not for wearing properly, it's couture. It isn't meant to be a proper yukata. If the kimono-punk aesthetic isn't for you, sell it.
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Sorry. I didn't mean "properly" by kimono standards. I mean properly for the style of the garment.
Mostly, the rings and the back slit are what have me baffled, because "bustling" the extra cloth looks really, really bad, but leaving it flat and straight doesn't look good either because of the weird length.
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Try just pulling up the cords a little bit, until it reaches a more flattering length. Throw out any notions you have of the proper length, kick reason to the curb, and mess around with it a little until it looks good as a piece of avant garde kimono inspired couture.
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Fair enough. I'll give it a go. I've got some red VW wing sandals that I want to pair it with for that whole punk feel. Since those shoes were based on geta anyway.
I was also thinking about wearing it more "open" in front because of the collar situation, and maybe putting a bright top under it? Maybe something from Qutie Frash, since it's a similar aesthetic. Or even pairing it with a corset-style piece from them, or their layered skirts under it.
I'll also try to get some photos of it later.
It's a really cool piece, and I'm loathe to part with it, I just can't for the life of me figure out how to make it look good without it being weird. I've been trying to find photos from h.naoto to give me some inspiration, but none of the pieces I've found even vaguely resemble it.
>>8735226
I know the feeling, anon. I bought a piece of vintage kimono silk from an unstitched kimono and it went to my ankles. All my weeby dreams of wearing a real vintage kimono were already pretty much crushed, but that killed the last of them.
Won't stop me from collecting them though...
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Where did you find this thing
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Sadly it's sold out but just a gem I found on Shinei http://www.net-shinei.co.jp/com/item/detail.php?Item=2028136&Cate=42&ashi=1
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Nico Antique's stuff has some pretty great modern styles http://item.rakuten.co.jp/utatane/c/0000000281/
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Can we have some non white folks wearing them too? Do you have any good photos, anon?
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I'll see what I can dig up
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I'm surprised at how good she looks in japanese clothes
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For your viewing pleasure. She models all of their stuff http://www.tiara-mily.com/product-list/12
>>8739032
What kills me is that right now they have a 173cm houmongi on auction for 15 bucks, but it's vermilion red and I don't want to look like a fire truck. Meanwhile there's this beautiful navy one that I'd love to get, but it's only 165cm...
>>8739390
you could always try wearing it deliberately short and/or without ohashori, it seems to be becoming more acceptable, especially when paired with heels and socks rather than tabi.
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as for the vermilion red houmongi, a bold geometric design obi could break up the color really nicely - darker royal blue/navy and even black and white could look really good.
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$39 well spent.
There's a Liz Lisa furisode up on auction for only a small fortune.
http://page16.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/u89859934
I've always dreamed of wearing a beautiful kimono. I think they're one of the most elegant outfits I've ever seen.
It sucks because I'll never be able to wear one without being seen as a super fucking weeb
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My dream is to wear a furisode for a coming of age ceremony. It sounds so silly to say out loud that I get a little embarrassed confessing to it, but it really is the most solid dream I have.
> would probably get laughed as since I'm a baka gaijin
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not necessarily. if you wear it improperly you'll probably get laughed at, but worn stylishly and properly i don't think most people would think you're a weeb. just gotta pull it off right.
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Fuck, I knew I'd seen it somewhere else. Hard to forget this creepy face
http://www.ebay.com/itm/67806-JAPANESE-KIMONO-ANTIQUE-HIRAKI-NAGOYA-OBI-SHIOZE-NOH-MASK-/131661540486?hash=item1ea7a3ac86:g:YqkAAOSwt6ZWVvBQ
I've been really into hakama lately, going to do a coordinate somewhat like this. After a lot of searching I finally found a nice striped one for $75 on rakuten.
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Are you looking for yukata or kimono? I love soubien (rakuten shop) for yukata, they have a really good selection of sets with geta and obi, most of them are quite modern. Kimonomachi on rakuten is also good. And if you have a lot of money to blow, Furifu is my personal favourite. Very expensive though...
Hi /cgl/.
I'm wanting to get into kimono and purchase a yukata, but I'm not sure where to start. Do you guys have some sort of page with a beginner's guide I can look at? I don't want to flood the thread with silly questions.
If not, where's a good resource for information (history, how to wear, etc) and some good starter shops that ship to the USA?
Thank you for your time!
So my confession is that I was originally going to hop on here and preach about the sin of wearing kimono in any other fashion than in a traditional and respectful manner, and then I saw all the gorgeous and fun alternative designs and color pallets and I decided to pull the rod out of my ass and just sit back and enjoy the show.
I'm sorry for being so quick to judge. Thank you for opening my eyes, seagulls. :)
love these so damn much
Are you people used to walk with geta?
I really love their look especially with tabi but walking with them can be a bit annoying sometimes.
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I really like wearing geta. The only issue to me is that the sound on the pavement draws a lot of attention. I definitely prefer the look of geta to zori
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I'm really glad you saw them! They're amazing, aren't they? I still find it hard to believe that you can wear patterned reds and pinks together and make them look good.
On another note, I remember someone mentioning in a past thread that a guy threw a tantrum over the anon wearing kimono because it offended his sensibilities. I'm glad you didn't do something like that. Cultural appropriation is a thing, but it's not as big as Tumblr makes it out to be, and wearing something like a feather headdress is not the same as wearing old-fashioned clothes. It's too bad that the SJWs can't see that, because if they focused their attention on things that could be helped and actually mattered, they'd be able to get a lot done.
Probably going to be the oddest question but for those not living in Japan. When/Where do you wear your yukata/kimono at? I'm trying to think of how many times I can wear it a year so that my purchase could be more justified than a once in a life situation.
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Do you wear any other fancy clothing like lolita? Do you dress up when you go out on weekends for coffee, museum visits or something like that?
>>8756596
You can wear it at conventions or Japanese related festivals or multicultural events if you don't want to draw too much attention.
>>8752096
Male here, have one pair of low geta with two teeth, no rubber pads. Geta are fucking awesome, I'd wear them more often but winter lasts 8 months here and I don't want frostbitten feet.
>>8756611
Usually when I go out it's kind of a big event like with friends usually dinner, shopping and visits to the big city. I used to wear lolita when I'd do those things.
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I'll probably do this for sure though. As I do attend quite a few conventions and events where yukata/kimono would be appropriate to wear.
Drive by comment here but I noticed while looking for weeb stuff that a ton of kimono obis are on auction right now and ending soon. They're averaging about $6 right now in bidding.
All of them seem to be from http://www.ebay.com/usr/sou_japan if anyone wants to snag any. Don't know if they're any good but they seem cheap?
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Wait..wait...could this be our first documented case of someone being cured from Tumblritis?
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I think if more information spreads about how Japanese people love Westerners wearing and buying kimono (actually they were baffled about the Monet's wife painting debacle, as they themselves had replicated the kimono) and that modern kimono is an actual THING, things could calm down.
The best case scenario might even be more Westerners entering the global kimono market and the remaining kimono-makers not closing up shop like a bunch of them did right after the economic bubble burst in Japan.
Could you imagine kimono being as prevelant a hobby as lolita currently is? Fashion at the festivals in major metropolitan cities would be AMAZING. (Of course, the uncultured idiots will still take not-so-secret photos and laugh, but they're present in every country.)
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I don't think it'll ever get to be like lolita, since there is some aspect of kimono that is still about preserving tradition (as much as it is about understanding traditions and then breaking them). Wearing kimono has a lot more rules and while lolita also has rules, breaking them just make you look terrible and "not lolita" they're not potentially offensive like wearing a kimono print out of season could be (if you're going by traditions).
My response to the SJW and cultural appropriation argument has always been "don't want me wearing your kimono? Stop wearing my Western clothes!" which is a bit simplistic, but I do agree that if more people knew that Japan was much more cool with us wearing kimono people might see it differently.
Kimono are hella difficult to wear, so everytime I've gone out in it I've been complimented by Japanese ladies who have told me they are very impressed I was able to dress myself in it. All of my kimono friends are very serious and respectful of the fashion, so I've never really encountered anything negative aside from the asshats who pop into these threads screaming "appropriation." It's like... go after the weebs who wear a cheap satin bathrobe, not people who really love collecting antique kimono and wearing them properly.
Not sure if this has been asked before, but would it be offensive to wear an Angelic Pretty yukata out for something like a fireworks event? I see some people mention that being respectful of kimono and such is important to them, so would you be annoyed if you saw someone wear a yukata released by a lolita brand?
I own one and obviously can't wear it to lolita events, but was wondering if it might be a faux pas to wear it to Japanese themed events
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>kimonos are hella difficult to wear
So is lolita. In fact, I might say lolita is harder. It'll be great. We'll have kimono ita threads.
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Yukatas are for festivals no matter what brand they are. They are the most casual and hardest to screw up.
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I don't really think the idea of japanese being super excited about people wearing kimono will help, as you said with the monet painting issue, most of the SJWs were ignoring them. Also offending the fuck out of them because a bunch of non-japanese asians were protesting it, my grandmother told me her friend in boston was pretty disgusted that koreans and chinese were protesting the japanese culture when they have less to do with it than white people. the japanese society representatives were pretty ashamed by the whole thing.
sorry for offtopic, here's a pic of a somewhat weeby modern set i got for summer. i love the wagashi print!
I've always wanted to wear a nice kimono, but I am a little chubby and super dorky looking and white on top of it all...
Can chubby dorks ever hope to look kawaii in kimono? Or am I doomed to be an ugly baka gaijin forever?
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also the edging looks weird on the stock photo, but it's a cute tulle layering at the end(mimicking hadajuban) I love how the look is really poppy and cute.
>>8762395
Everyone can look elegant in the right lighting. A friend of mine is half Japanese and her mother insisted on formal coming of age portraits in kimono. She's about as graceful as a truck, but the photos are beautiful.
>>8762366
Lolita is hard to get right in the sense that "what is lolita" is somewhat subjective beyond the rules. But it's pretty much just putting on clothes and a petticoat. Kimono is much more difficult because of how it's wrapped, tying an obi, etc. Coordinating lolita is hard, but wearing it is not.
>>8762395
Just make sure you pad where necessary. If you have a big bust you stand a good chance of getting "kimono boob" and still having curves instead of being an elegant cylinder. Wear a minimizing bra or a binder to help cut down on how big your bust is. I think bigger girls can look find in kimono, but when I see all the curves and big boobs bulging out over an obi, it does not look kawaii.
>>8762339
Most of the people who feel it necessary to say "But only in a respectful/traditional way!" are the ones who think that kimono is some super special formal clothing and only worn during ancient sacred spoopy Nippon ceremonies.
It's literally no different to whacking on a 1940s styled dress. Just use your own discretion; obviously you wouldn't wear a vintage wedding dress out and about.
For everyone worrying what tumblr will think, the proper thing is just to do it anyway. There will always be someone labeling you as culturally appropriative or some barbaric thief, especially if white, for just wearing something outside your culture. It will never be good enough for them. They will always find something to whine and complain about. Never, ever cater to them and never even apologize. They feed off it because they're narcissists and like to feel superior and enlightened to you.
If we start a community and do it in a group, it's much safer. Look at how lolitas basically chased off that weird Mid-Life Crisis lady who wrote about lolita being for stupid air-headed girls and said it was also "anti-feminist". She actually ended up realizing she kicked a hornets nest and was shocked we stood up for ourselves.
Also, kimono restyling is getting pretty big in Japan - basically the idea that if kimono is going survive as a clothing style, it has to be open to evolution. There are probably traditionalists somewhere decrying this, but that's kind of universal whenever fashion changes.
For people interested in getting into kimono but feeling nervous - get a nice haori to start. They're pretty one-size-fits-all, and you can wear them in combination with Western clothing very easily.
And a question - anyone have any tips for keeping kimono closed across wide hips? I picked up a few kimono for dirt-cheap at temple markets in Kyoto over the summer, and they're all vintage and thus intended for someone with like six inches less hip and butt than me ideally.
Self post. There was a Harajuku fashion meet up in Little Tokyo yesterday. Looking for any kimono wearing gulls in the area who are interested in going to the next meet up in Jan.
>>8764652
Big feet does suck when it comes to cute shoes. Luckily though Sou Sou creates some fun tabi shoes that work with kimono in a huge variety of sizes.
>>8764342
Safety pins solve all clothing gap problems.
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Yeah no
>>8764342
Have a good base and nagajuban that will flow with your kimono. Most likely there is a bit of fabric sewn in the back seem you could let go to get a bit of wiggle room too. Angling the edge of the kimono upward when closing it is a really common trick to make you look thinner, but it might help with that too.
I was curious about this too actually, so I picked up my oldest piece and tried to make it work. It's from the 20's so pretty tiny overall. I managed to get a small ohashori and felt that the kimono overall fit better/looked less frumpy when tying the obi really really high up my bust, vintage style.
>>8766599
Where did you find the 20s kimono? I can't seem to find anything earlier than the 60s lately.
>>8767821
I've got a few pre-WWII kimono and I got them all at Ichiroya. I don't think I have anything from the 20s, probably 30s though.
>>8766599
Thanks for the advice! Thinking about it, I think if I make or buy a nagajuban that's a little wider across the hips, I don't risk flashing everyone even if the outer kimono flutters a little.
Anyway, some slightly wilder/modern kimono ensembles!
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Does anyone have a list of Rakuten shops that will ship kimono/yukata that will ship to the U.S.?
>>8767915
Thanks! I need more vintage kimono in my life.
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>http://thekimonolady.tumblr.com/post/133868839062/paypal-friendly-rakuten-kimono-shops
Here's a bunch - I haven't tried any of them myself, though (mine are all Ichiroya or bought when I was in Japan)
>>8767821
My bad, it's apparently a late 30's early 40's one, I though it as a late 20's. You can find some really good oldies on Etsy
>>8768881
A lot of the shops have some sweet obi for yukata, some really stylish and fun.I bought this yukata and am looking for an obi that is reasonable but compliments it.
I really want to get into some of these, but I have no idea where to start. Does anyone have some good sites with information and tutorials? What would you gulls say is the easiest type to wear and pull off for beginners?
>>8772105
Starting with a yukata is the easiest, for the simple reason that it requires the fewest pieces and accessories, and is the simplest type to put on. There are also pre-tied, casual obi if you're not yet ready to learn to tie your own.
You just need the yukata, a few pieces of narrow cotton cloth for tying (koshi-himo), a piece of wide cotton cloth for smoothing (or a proper date-jime) and a hanhaba obi. Hahaba obi are the cheapest style of obi in general, though you can buy fancier versions. You can often find yukata sets that come with a coordinating one for reasonable prices when you're starting out.
A korin can belt help further, but they aren't strictly necessary. You can generally buy little kits that include the koshihimo, korin, and date-jime (usually in elasticated, velcro-closure form these days) for about $10-15 on Rakuten.
>koshi-himo
>http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/so-bien/item/salevol2-01a/
I've made my own koshi-himo before, using strips of muslin sewn into tubes, then pressed. They're generally very light-weight and either white or pink, but you can find bright colours and patterns as well. They're not intended to be visible.
>date-jime
>http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/so-bien/item/hsd0023k-2992/
Elastic versions with velcro are popular for their ease of use, but you can still buy vintage/traditional ones, which you tie and tuck into themselves. They're typically white or pink these days, but you can find other colours.
>hanhaba obi
>http://global.rakuten.com/en/search/?sid=so-bien&tl=206567
A "half-width" obi, which is more casual in nature. Slightly more formal versions do exist, but yukata only really call for simple ones.
>pre-tied obi/tsuke-obi
>http://global.rakuten.com/en/search/?sid=so-bien&tl=206563
These are pre-tied in a cute shape. Bows/chouchou musubi are most common, but you can find all kinds, including pre-tied knots for more formal looks.
>>8772144
Optional pieces for yukata:
>obi-ita
>http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/so-bien/item/wasou277k-2986/
A piece of stiff plastic, board, or canvas used to give the obi a nicer shape on the waist. Yukata are casual, so while this looks nice, it's not strictly necessary to use one. They make ones out of a stiffened, breathable mesh for summer wear, which is what I've linked above.
>korin belt
>http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/so-bien/item/hsd0014k-2986/
Used to properly close your collar, and replaces or supplements your muna-himo (the same thing as your koshi-himo, but at the chest/bust instead of the hip).
>collar clips
>http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/so-bien/item/wasou54s/
You use these to position your collar while dressing, but also to hold the obi in place while you tie it. They often can slide around and make getting dressed a pain. I generally use bulldog/heavy duty paper clips and ponytail rubberbands instead of these clips, because I'm kind of cheap.
>specialty underwear
>http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/so-bien/item/uw0018k-3033/
>http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/so-bien/item/uw0032ko-2999/
You can generally get away with a sports bra, camisol and close-fitting shorts, but if you want to really go all-out, there are specialty bras and slips (hadajuban) that you can buy. The sleeveless kind are recommended for yukata, since you don't wear another juban to conceal the sleeves. Regardless of what you wear underneath, cotton is best, so that it breathes. Yukata are for warm weather, after all.
>geta
>http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/so-bien/item/zg2224ok-3016/
Because yukata are so casual, geta are not strictly necessary, depending on how you coordinate the whole look. Western shoes (cute sandals or mules) are popular choices. So long as you don't wear flip-flops, you're generally ok.
And here's a tutorial from Ichiroya for how to put it all on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCZtGi21ysM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEGSemM222g
>>8772157
For other tutorials, The Kimono Lady blog (which 4chan thinks is spam when I link it) and the Immortal Geisha forums have a slew of information on all aspects of kimono.
These two sites are also favourites of mine for yukata bunko/hanhaba obi knots:
>http://yukatalism.com/html/sp_kituke_06.php
In Japanese. Each page includes detailed, animated diagrams that walk you through the steps to form the illustrated knots, as well as a photo of the final result.
>http://kimono-bunka.ynu.ac.jp/kikata-en.html
General information for wearing yukata for both men and women, with detailed tutorials on how to tie different hanhaba bunko. Includes brief movies for each step. Kind of a pain to load mid-dressing, so best for watching in advance.
>>8762394
I'm really loving that skirt. Does it have hakama styled pleats or just normal pleats?
>>8772568
Hakama pleats are just knife pleats in a particularly arrangement (mostly the right and left side fold toward the middle, and a few of the folds overlap) - that looks like it's just straight knife pleats all the way around.
>>8769161
I'm not sure what you mean- do you want an obi that isn't too loud and clashing but fits the eyeball theme, or one that's not too expensive but matches?
>>8774687
Either or. I only have a budget for no more than $200, which would include shipping or fees depending if I have to go through a shopping service
>>8766302
How's these as indoor slippers?
I like the look of jikatabi but I'm not sure its supposed to be used that way.
>>8772105
I'm a newbie myself but I think I'm going to go ahead and order a set from Kyoto Kimonomachi since they accept paypal. I'm excited since it comes with the undergarments.
http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/kimono-kyoukomati/item/10079916/
>>8776409
They're for outdoors wear and these ones that I posted are made with a traditional tabi workbrand so they've got more grip than usual.
Sou Sou does actually sell indoor shoes though.
>>8776797
Hey, that's not bad! It looks super cute too. If they're still there when I get paid I'm getting one.
>>8761818
the problem with it getting as popular as lolita is it's a lot harder to learn to put on kimono properly without someone to help you.
Sharing link for where I buy all my yukata.
http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/753ya/
Kimono Nagomiya. They have a lot of super cute modern styles.
>mens kimono are all blue black and grey
>mfw
fuck im so jealous of women and their colours
>>8764555
Is that your real hair?
>>8778748
nope, its an epiccosplay wig
>>8777381
Can you imagine the kimono ita threads though? They'd be 50% 'I made the yukata furisode myself! It's white because I'm pure!' and 50% snowflakes sobbing about why they can't wear a bathrobe as a kimono to an event, sprinkled with SJW comments on cultural appropriation. It'd be hilarious.
>>8764555
You look lovely, anon! I love both your kimono and obi <3
>>8780682
Thanks! That means a lot. It's the first komon I've ever worn. I've only worn yukata before.
should white girls wear kimonos?
Lads, I'm gonna be honest
It looks a bit weird, these white girls in kimonos
I need more examples
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>tfw I'll never be a black beauty
>>8764555
You looks gorgeous!
Even you geta laces are matching with your kimono.
Congrats pretty anon
>>8781420
Anyone can wear kimonos. The problem is that most of them don't put any effort into learning how to do things the right way and just slap shit on. It literally takes like 10 min to watch a how to tutorial on YouTube. A lot of them don't bother, which leads to the whole SJW 'cultural appropriation'.
But yeah, people really should wear kimonos since it's dying out in Japan.
Hoping someone here will know... Does anyone in this thread have favorites/recommendations of smaller/lesser known PHYSICAL shops to visit in Kyoto or other big cities for vintage kimono and kimono fabrics? I'm going to be traveling there with my mother who usually collects just from online sellers like Ichiroya and we're trying to make our list of places to visit. I wanted to see if gulls have personal recommendations. Thanks!
>>8782971
I know of a few places in tokyo that sell more modern styles if you're interested in links let me know. If not I also know of a few used stores around harajuku that sell a heap of old haori and kimono on a second floor. Other than that I think your best bet is second hand stops nearby and temple thrift sales.
>>8783069
Also, here's a few links on dates for temple thrift sales. I'm not sure when you're going but it would be worth checking out. However these are the 2015 schedules:
http://www.japanesestreets.com/reports/1357/fabulous-flea-markets-in-japan
This one you have to click the "see more" bullshit because ads and revenue:
http://www.fleamarketinsiders.com/flea-markets-in-japan-2013-update/
>>8783072
(Sorry to keep posting links)
If you read moon runes, here's a .jp website about flea markets!
http://fleamarket.or.jp/
>>8783126
I was in Japan over the summer, and I second the temple markets - I got a bunch of stuff at the To-ji one for cheap, and it was fun to just browse, too. Osaka has a bunch of used kimono stores clustered together just past the otaku district - I got some dirt-cheap iromuji there. Map is not 100% accurate as I was with a friend who's a local and she led the way, but within a block or two.
>>8783613
This is perfect since this is actually right where we're staying! Would you say it was towards the north, or south of Denden town or...?
>>8747824
I really want a nice full set for a Hakama. I'm going back to Japan this summer just in time for all the summer matsuri. Any shop recommendations? My budget is probably up to $400, but of course less would be appreciated lol
>>8784961
I saw a super nice store selling a gradient pink to purple hakama with sakura petals, it was 100$ but brand new. I cried slowly because those aren't my colours and I would have nothing to match. It was near asakusa.
>>8784923
Judging by Google Maps, the south - basically if you're walking from Namba station, you go through Denden Town and it's just beyond where the Animate and K-Books are (the K-Books in Osaka also has a way better selection than the ones in Tokyo, imo - I suspect because it's not as picked-over)
>>8785038
Really convenient, because we'll be right by Ebisucho.. it should be practically outside our door. Thank you so much for this info!
Are komono bundle worth it ? I'm eyeing a 40$ one on ebay. I have the basics but the kimono clips, date eri and additinnal gauze koshi himo and bigger makura and obi ita could be helpful in more complex styling, so I'm really torn.
>>8786983
I'm also wondering too..
I need a juban, and sometimes I see a new one paired with accessories for ~$40. I also wonder if it's worth it to buy a pack or just the juban.
>>8786983
It depends to be honest, sometimes the accessories in the komono packs aren't great. If there is feedback relating to the packs take a look and see, if it's positive then go for it!
For those who are plus sized or have massive bone structure(large hips for example), I would NOT recommend those packs, instead buy your stuff separately as standard things like koshihimo, korin belts and date jime are useless. Instead look for elastic koshihimo, large size korin belts and shirred date jime. Machigiya on Rakuten Global is very reasonable for them and they are a really good seller. For standard kimono stuff, I also like kyoetsu-orosiya
>>8784961
Oh sorry I should have specified online shops! I want to wear it once I get there. It doesn't matter if they don't ship overseas, I can send it to my grandfather or use Tenso and I also speak fluent Japanese if that is necessary as well. I seem to suck at Google, because I can only find rental shops!
>>8787454
alternatively, you can make korin belts really easily from wide elastic and suspender clips from the fabric store
there's a photo tutorial here:
http://www.immortalgeisha.com/ig_bb/viewtopic.php?t=3616
>>8787460
Check out Rakuten(either JP or Global), Nissen or Yahoo Auctions
>>8762317
Westerners wearing kimono can't be cultural appropriation, that'd require a history of colonization, forbidding/outlawing of the kimono by the dominant state for the oppressed culture, social stigma against wearing kimonos in Japanese society, etc
>>8787582
not only that but the traditional way to wear kimono is just that, traditional. it's not applicable to modern wear, clothing has the capacity to modernize and change. while traditional ways do exist, only a few rules are used in the modern setting. plus cultural appropriation only really applies to sacred clothing...
kimono had class rules, most clothing did when class was important, but there's nothing sacred about it in general, hell, even the class rules don't apply anymore that's what people don't get.
>>8787591
Looking over the event people were protesting in Boston, some of it was kind of racist though. I don't think it meets the criteria for appropriation which is more of a "stealing" thing.
>>8787622
the event from boston was just supposed to be trying to mimi Monet's stupid painting of his wife. plus, japanese people are more offended by other asians 'defending' their culture than white people being 'racist'...
honestly getting rid of the event was disgusting.
>>8787645
What's the story?
>>8787654
you can find it online. but i can greentext
>exhibit at MFA in boston included kimono
>contest held to re-create famous monet painting of his wife in kimono
>professionals were going to dress people up in kimono so they could pose for pictures etc
>sjws get mad and protest
>some college 'azn' association gets involved
>japanese society gets extremely confused and actually angry at the stupidity of protestors
>MFA caves and cancels event
>no one gets to wear kimonos, white people can't even touch them
>mfw my grandma was more offended that chinese and koreans were defending her culture
>>8787664
The Alliance Française of Boston should have started a shitstorm over it claiming their artistic heritage was being repressed, it would have confused the sjw's no end.
>>8787664
Woah, I though these stories were a joke...
This is incredible, that would never happen in my country.
Sorry to read that, I don't even understand how this could happen, this makes no sense.
>>8787664
Wrong. The museum had a replica of the kimono from the painting that was MADE IN JAPAN available to try on and pose with in front of the painting. After the dumb ass protests it just went on regular display by the painting. It had a tour in Japan where women brought blonde wigs so they could look closer to the painting. I try not to think about these because the arguments were infuriatingly dumb. If only SJWs could turn their ridiculous amounts of hatred and energy towards causes that actually mattered. You can read more here:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/2015/07/18/counter-protesters-join-kimono-fray-mfa/ZgVWiT3yIZSlQgxCghAOFM/story.html
>>8787454
Thi one especially have a bigger makura and large obi ita as well as gauze koshi himo and a few kimono clips, and could prove handy since I may have to style a uchikake in a close future.
Btw, is full golden brocade fukuro like pic related acceptable to style with a uchikake ? It's a really vivid piece in tropical blue and orange with a lot of okinawan references that comes from an Osaka based family.
>>8787664
I'm so ashamed of my city for this. I'm an art history nerd and was pretty excited about that event until this SWJ crap ruined it. SJWs always go on about how we have to listen to the native people about their culture and yet, when actual Japanese people say it is ok to wear a kimono SJWs ignore them.
>>8788411
Of course. They know better than the uneducated, poor, oppressed people they're championing. They have the benefit of a western education and enlightened thinking. Those Japanese people are just internalising everything and don't know any better.
*gag*
>>8788340
Then I would definitely go for it!
As for the obi, I'd say go with the Fukuro Obi.
Heads-up that Sou is having a New Year's sale - there's some good deals on iromuji and komon, as well as tomosode.
https://www.net-qp.com/en
>>8788411
SJWs are the human equivalent of Very Special Episodes, only they don't shut up after twenty minutes. It pisses me the fuck off. That event sounded so cool...
>>8788340
Oh wow, I love the colours.
>>8739079
This is amazing. Any sauce on where to get it?
>>8795220
http://sitateyasan.chicappa.jp/gofukuyasan/?product-cat=kimono
Upside: comes in sizes up to LL. Downside: paying $200+ for polyester
My secret of the day is that I came online to look at porn but accidentally clicked on /cgl/ and winded up reading an entire thread about kimono and this is all really fascinating.
Ugh those sjw.
Clothing of deep important religious and cultural significance: dont wear it if ur not from there
Clothing from country: have fun, wear it properly u fucker.
Theres a difference between wearing like.. an indian war bonnet and a kimono.
>>8799454
Not to people who can't tell the difference between henna and bindis.
>>8796273
It really, genuinely is.
Congrats on finding something new.
Anyone here good with colour coordination? I have a royal purple komon that I'm stuck with. No motif so I can't take a colour from that and use it. I'm planning on pairing it with a red obi, but i am stuck for obiage + obijime colours, I want them to contrast with both the kimono and obi but not to the point where it hurts to look at.
Also, has anyone got links to japanese online kimono shops other than Rakuten and Yahoo?
>>8739108
check out uberdandy kimono, she also has a fb. Amazing coords!
>>8807029
Purple. Red. Pink. Silver. Cream. Peach.
>>8799454
THIS. I've been telling people this for ages. I love you.
In any case, Japanese people fucking love it when foreigners wear kimonos. If I walk into a kimono shop, if there is an older woman IN the shop she will guaranteed pounce on me and start gushing about how its good to see young people interested in kimono, and how it is a dying art, and what color and style would I like? She will be guaranteed to want to dress me up and reteach me everything I already know.
But the sjw wouldn't believe that shit.
>>8807200
Case and point- A friendly obaa-san in a secondhand shop in Kawagoe begged me to buy this. She said the pattern was too young for her, but she wanted it anyway and I should get it before she succumbed to temptation. It was 5000 yen and hidden in some back corner probably for months.
Anyone have a suggestion for what would pair well with this? I have a casual yellow kimono the same shade as the tracks, and a pink obiage, but I think I might want something different...
>>8802833
In the end, can non-desi people use henna and wear bindis? I'd love to get mehndi someday, but I got the impression it was only for weddings
picture to stay on topic
>>8808391
Of course! I had a henna-dyeing kit at home for a while, gotten from a hobby shop. It's all about how you make it work with the rest of your look.
Do you guys have any good pictures of the backside of worn kimono? I just love those, but I can't find them easily
>>8811624
I got you anon.
I have two pics from this year's coming of age festival.
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>>8811635
And a bonus.
>>8811639
I brought more from Tokyo fashion.
This one is pretty fun.
1/3
>>8811663
2/3
>>8811665
3/3
Cont with more stuff later.
>>8811666
The only hakama photo that I've seen. She's such a QT3.14
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>>8811675
Loving the jfash element.
>>8739160
It looks really nice with the hijab. I'll have to send this to my friend who wears a hijab, she is always unsure of how things will look with it
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>>8811639
All of these are so cute! I wish we had some tradition here (england) that allowed us to get all dressed up with friend like that. Is there a particular significance/meaning to the fluffy white shawl/collar things, or is it just for warmth?
>>8811741
Thank you! I think it's just a stylistic thing. I have more photos saved of girls with wool shawls instead of fur stoles.What is popular though is white fur, I occasionally see brown fur if it matches the kimono better. Even more rare are cloth/wool mufflers.
>>8811830
Aww plis. I'll upload more in a bit.
Continuing with the dump.
Most of my photos are coming from flickr, you too can find a lot of photos by searching: 成人の日
>>8811994
Some good hair inspiration.
>>8811996
From 2011.
Tangentially related to kitsuke, what do you all think of wa/wamono kei(I've seen both used, not sure if Whitney is accurate) from brands like Takuya Angel or Qutie Frash?
>>8811998
Alternative take.
>>8812001
>if Whitney
If EITHER is accurate
>>8812002
Zoom on the obi for
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>>8812006
Some male inspiration as well.
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>>8812012
Ending with two cuties.
>the photos just makes me dokidoki
>>8811994
Girl looks super cute, the pink really compliments her hair.
>>8811998
This is so cool. I wish traditional clothes were more popular for everyday wear, it'd be amazing.
Some crazy-bright furisode by Iroca
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>>8739162
I've been actively looking for a kente cloth or other large scale African print for a while now so I can make a kimono.
I've done it twice before so no big deal. But man am I having the worst time finding a good fabric in a local store.
I think I'll have to buy online for the best selection.
>>8813832
is there no african immigration where you live?
>>8812001
I own a couple pieces from Qutie Frash (a draped sleeveless top and a blazer) that I love, but I feel like they ruin a lot of their designs with tacky raschel lace. Like on the edges of necklines and sleeves, some kind of deconstructed-edge ruffle would look more elegant while still giving a punk feeling.
I prefer H. Naoto's gouk (god what an awful brand name) line, it's a little more understated and less LOL LET ME SHOW YOU MY CHINESE BROCADE.
Mad jealous of all the pretty women in kimono on the coming of age day. I managed to time my years in Japan so that I missed the one year I turned 20. Eternally sad.
I've been reading up on kimono for a while but never had the courage to dive in, but recently I succumbed to temptation and bought some haori and a simple komon at a flea market. The kimono was a last minute buy before this super nice old lady was closing shop and she even advised me on the lengths and colors + gave me a huge price reduction from buying last minute and also buying a haori there earlier. (I was only supposed to buy haori for my regular clothes but it was so hard to resist.)
Since it was last minute I didn't want to buy an obi since I felt it would be hard to match and rushed, so if anyone has any advice on what I can match to a simple gray mixed komon with faint pink accents?
Was thinking something that picks up the pink, but at the same time maybe is a little louder and colorful since I fear that it will become to dull otherwise. I'm very much a beginner so any advice would be humbly received.
Thank you for a kick-ass thread, been lurking these threads for ages.
>>8819122
In general, the plainer the kimono then the flashier the obi and vice versa(but a lot of the more modern kimono coordinatinations tend to be flashy x flashy).
Now you could go with a pink obi that matches the pink in the komon(there's some nice ones on Rakuten and Yahoo auctions) and pair it with a contrasting colour obijime and obiage(like green or red), or you could go with a green or red obi and pink jime or age. It really depends on the colours of the kimono. Scarves make for great obiage(if you can get a nice pattern), just ensure they are long enough to tie around you.
Also some general advice for sizing kimono. This is aimed at anyone who wants to dip their toes into kimono but aren't too sure if a kimono they are looking at online will fit or not(since different sellers, list their measurements in different ways).
First you need to get your measurements(ideally in cm but you can covert):
>height
>wrist to wrist
>bust*
>hips*
*whichever is the bigger measurement you'll need to use(usually it's the hips)
Ideally your kimono should be 1.4x the size of your largest measurement(bust or hips). You can go a few cm under and there are a few tricks to getting it to fit(which I'll mention) but you shouldn't go more than 10cm under(in my experience). Once you have these measurements down, you should multiply your largest measurement by 1.4 to get your ideal width size. Some sellers list the kimono's width as bottom width, so it's easy to know if the kimono will fit your width but a lot of sellers(in particular sellers who mainly deal with Japanese buyers), list the measurements of the panels separately. To calculate the width from these measurements: (front width + back width + 15)*2. This will give you the result in cm(in case you are wondering the 15 is for the Okumi which tend to be 15cm. There are some instances of larger Okumi but it's not common).
If your kimono is a bit too narrow, the tips I have for getting a decent fit are:
>hakama
Get a nice pair of hakama to go with the kimono, Rakuten and Yahoo are great for these. Kyoetsu-orosiya on Rakuten do lovely pastel colours for example.
>adjust the back seam
Adjust the back seam on the lower half of the kimono to the left. This will allow you to pull the front panel over on the bottom part of the kimono.
>clip the inner panel to your juban
Get a korin belt and clip one end onto the front part of the juban(by your legs) and clip the other end to the inner panel of the kimono(the right side of the kimono(ny your legs), this will prevent the kimono from flashing open.
>>8764555
>reppin' yo husbando
>sonIamproud.jpeg
>>8808391
If your college or town has community events for Eid that are open to all (I know stuff like that happened in my school), there will often be teenage Asian girls offering to do henna for people there and nobody cares who wears it. I never got the impression it was only for weddings. I'm in the UK though.
For plus size people who want to get into kimono.
>don't bother getting an accessory set
A few reasons for this are: the koshihimo will not tie properly, the datejime won't secure properly and the korin belt will get stretched out(they aren't supposed to).
Instead get yourself elastic/stretch himo, L size Korin belt and a shirred/stretch datejime(machigiya on Rakuten are pretty reasonable for these). Make sure to get a few himo and korin belts as you may end up needing extra to fit correctly.
>if you have large breasts, get a sports bra or a kimono bra.
If your boobs can fit a kimono bra then get one. If your boobs are too big for a kimono bra, then invest in a good sports bra. Something that looks like pic related(Shock absorber are a good brand). Ideally in a cup size smaller than your normal(no smaller) and ideally with a racer back(this will help pull your chest in). Some use sarashi and chest binders as well(I haven't looked into them but I am getting around to it).
>Mainly stick with modern kimono
Sometimes you can get vintage kimono that will fit, but you will have better chances with modern kimono. For example, kimonomachi on Rakuten offer a generous LL size and do a really good 4 piece kimono set(comes in both awase and hitoe). Kimonomachi also do really nice hitoe pieces coming in modern patterns(houndstooth!). Outside of that it's a matter of checking the sizing of the kimono with the formula I gave earlier. If a kimono doesn't give the front and back width(or the bottom hem measurement), don't buy it as it more than likely won't fit. Another option is to search Rakuten.jp or Yahoo auctions for BL着物/LW着物/2LW着物/LL着物. Don't assume because you can fit into one maker's LL size then you will fit into everyone's LL. Also google for these options as you can find japanese webstores that offer kimono in these sizes.
I can't remember anything else but if I do I'll post here.
>>8819847
Question anon, I need a large size for my height but I usually wear a medium in clothing. For better stats, I'm 125 lbs. at 5'5''-5'6'', would it be okay for me to buy a large? Sorry to ask, they don't have any other measurements on the Rakuten shopping page I'm on.
>>8819871
not that anon but a lot of shops make tall specific kimono now for foreigners.
>>8819871
Do they happen to have the height measurement, would you mind letting me know it? Remember you can go 10cm under and 10cm over your height.
In this case, I'd go for a large. Also, keep an eye out for TL size kimono, they are tall in height but not super wide.
>>8819847
Also, I can't believe I forgot. Padding and shapewear are very helpful in achieving the correct shape for kimono. You should be a tube shape to get a correct fit! For example, if you are an hourglass shape pad your waist etc. It helps the kimono to fit correctly and helps the obi to sit right.
>>8819878
Thanks for the heads-up anon!
>>8819883
All they have is this anon, sorry it's not much to work with!
>Kimono
>Please choose M or L
>[M size: length 160 cm sleeves length 49 cm arm length 66 cm for a height of about 155cm-165cm.
>[L size] length163cm sleeves length 49 cm arm length 68 cm for a height of about 158cm-168cm
>>8819933
I would go with the L size(technically you could go with the M but it's better to be safe than sorry).
>>8819939
Thanks for the advice anon, I'll give it a little more thought before I purchase!
>>8819969
No worries! I'll be lurking this thread so if anyone has questions fire away!
Does anyone here live in an area with a kimono club or meetup group for it? If so, what do y'all do for meetups? How often do you have meets? How many people attend?
We've got a small one in my area but I'm very disheartened after we try to plan meets and the planning gets done last minute or people constantly bail. I made a formal meet for furisode over a month ago and everyone bailed within 4 hours of the meet except my friend. Another person made a meetup for a festival last minute and everyone went to that instead it seems. I'm not the main organizer of our group nor do I want to be, but I just wondered how other groups plan and what attendance is like.
>>8820006
God I wish there was a meetup around here. I helped put on a kimono fashion show at my university recently and was approached by a woman who invited me to help make the local group more active, but I never heard anything back from them. It would be nice if there was a group of like 5 or more that could meet every few months for a cultural event or dinner or something...
(Side note: I'm not really a fan of shibori at all but I've recently found myself eyeing a few different shibori furisode...)
>>8781471
Thank you so much! They're my only pair of geta so I didn't have much of a choice. Good thing they matched.
>>8819826
yessss, someone noticed
Posting pic to add content. I really want to get into wearing my kimono short because I'm fairly tall and I want to show off cute stockings
>>8822889
Fellow tall anon here, I really like this idea. It'd be fun to match the stockings to the rest of the outfit.
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>>8822889
I love the trend of wearing kimono short! I feel like it's so hard to get the right shoes though (I have really small feet and I hate ordering shoes online...)
>>8824724
I love these loud vintage stylings too but I always end up buying toned down pieces
I'd like a little help with coordinating- I was gifted this kimono for working at a shrine's New Year's Celebrations, and I managed to get the year when they were gifting bright pink kimono (just the kimono itself). Although I hardly ever wear it, I'd like to be able to have a whole set just in case an occasion arises.
Does anyone have suggestions for obi/obiage/other parts? I am particularly stumped for colour- I was lent some that had an orangey-red theme, but I'd like to see if there are any other suggestions, as the bright pink is throwing me off a bit!
Does anyone know beginner's guides like the lolitaguidebook? Something that's not written from a scholarly/historical perspective but for people who want to wear the fashion?
>>8825999
Check out the immortal geisha forums. They are inactive now but there is a huge amount of tips on how to wear kimono/coordination tips etc.. There are also plenty of youtube videos, unfortunately there isn't a guide of any sort, so you just have to figure it out yourself.
Although I have no problem compiling a guide for future threads, if I could get others to collab with me
>>8813957
>is there no African immigration where you live?
You know, that's a really good point.
There should be something around here. I've seen bath/skincare/clothing stores. Someone must have some fabric.
Thank you for the idea.
>>8825999
I've got The Book of Kimono
It's definitely best supplemented with knowledge from the internet and the Immortal Geisha forums, but it does a good job describing all the different types of kimono, the various parts, and gives pretty solid instructions for how to put everything on. Not to mention it's got a lot of pretty, full color pictures.
>>8825891
Red seems like a safe call for this kimono. You could also go with a cream or gold ob for a more traditional looking coordination. Maybe you might be able to pull in some of that light blue color? In the obiage or something
>>8735684
I'm pretty jelly of this. Wish I could afford their 2.5k furisode. They're pretty.
>>8829036
This book is GOAT
I'm just lurking in there, just wanted to drop that seeing these kimonos, colors, beautiful patterns and cute socks fills me with joy to the brim, it's my little shine of the day when things get tiring out there.
Keep these threads going
>>8829054
>tfw enough money for 2.5k furisode
>tfw 175cm tall
if i could find one...
>>8831917
You can go upto 10cm under your height, so if you can find a furi that has a height of 165-166 you should be ok.
