What is casual lolita? What is not? What is acceptable and what isn't? Post your opinions and pictures!
Real talk?
It comes down to how old you physically look. If you're still passing for highschool age, then the mish-mash j-fash styles incorporated with lolita look pretty cute and casual.
When you start to show your age, then it's time to hit up the Fanny Rose tumblr for style tips and aim for a more casual vintage feel.
>>8727697
I want every single thing in the coord! It's actually so lovely!
>>8727697
Sauce on skirt/vest?
I'm not keen on the tights but I can deal.
To me, a coord is casual, if it's both a rather simple coord without many accessoires and a super elaborate hair-do or wig and uses normie fashion stuff in the outfit. So, a cutsew instead of a blouse or simple flats instead of fancy lolita heels. (Also, I know cutsews are not exaclty normie fashion, but they feel more normal than a chiffon blouse with a ruffly collar)
Then again, there are coords that capture that casual lolita feel without following this rules. It's a difficult substyle to describe.
What really bothers me is when simple lolita coords get called casual, just because they don't wear a wig, patterned tights or a ton of jewelry. Not every simple coord is casual.
I'll post a couple of outfits that capture that casual feel for me.
>>8727697
The coord is very pretty but I definitely wouldn't call it casual
Ok, photo spam coming in.
This coord sums up casual perfectly to me. It's both still lolita and looks comfy and effortless. You probably won't attract too much attention wearing this.
>>8727690
This isn't even lolita. Falls more under neololita probably? There's was a thread discussing it but I think it got deleted.
>>8727720
This one's also really casual, mostly because of the combination of skirt, cutsew and jacket.
>>8727722
This is also casual to me, even though she is wearing a JSK and a blouse, and not a skirt-cutsew/bolero combo.
I guess the simplicity of it and the shoes make it casual to me.
>>8727721
neololita is that nymphet style. It has nothing to do with us
>>8727724
Not according to rinrin
>>8727723
This coord was described by the girl as casual, but I don't think it's casual. It looks like simple classic/sweet lolita. The ruffly stockings, the not very simple blouse and the high waist skirt take the casual feeling away.
>>8727721
That's lolita with a rockabilly spin to it, I'd say
>>8727725
Rinrin is full of shit.
If anything it would be more rockabilly. Lolita can still be lolita even if it takes inspiration from other styles
>>8727728
I hate when girls tag simple skirt-blouse-tea parties coords as casual lolita wtf get out of the tag I'm looking for inspiration I don't want to see your itaish basic coords
>>8727724
Neo-whatever just means "heavily inspired by" whatever. Like neo-gothic, and neo-victorian. Its not really THE NAME of a style but a way to describe a style or aesthetic.
>>8727728
Now this coord I'm not sure about. It could be casual because of the jacket/skirt combination and the shoes, but then again it has too many little details that are all very well coordinated and the tights and collar somehow don't feel casual to me.
>>8727734
Yes, but it's still used to describe the style inspired by the book and not this.
>>8727732
It's not lolita inspired by other styles, but another style inspired by lolita. Which makes it not lolita but still influenced by lolita.
>>8727736
Last one of my spam.
This outfit could be described as casual because it's rather simple and she used a quite casual bolero, but then again it's also really well coordinated and could be simple sweet lolita as well.
I think that is what make casual such a difficult style. It's the overall aesthetics that count and you can achieve that with a lot of different combinations. Only newbies think that skirt + simple blouse = instant casual.
It's nothing special but this is one of my favorites
>>8727739
I know, sorry for being unclear, I was just talking about OPs pic in general
>>8727738
You fucking idiot. It's a phrase not the mame of a style. It can most definitely be used to describe lolita inspired outfits. Since the name of the fashion is called lolita. Let's not forget there are two separete "lolita" looks and so it makes sense that there would be two seperate neololita.
>>8727741
Not casual
>>8727725
Rinrin is a model, not a walking encyclopedia of lolita facts and law.
>>8727728
Man, this girl's body type, posing, and outfit is doing her no favors. Everything looks like it's a size too small and her pose just makes her look pigeon toed - or if she is, then it's showing that fact off.
I have the same opinion as >>8727709 on casual lolita
I will dump a few pictures of coords I'd label as casual
>>8727750
Oops I guess I meant duck-footed and not pigeon toed. Either way, not flattering.
Yes, even the cat dress can look casual
I think she could have done something more with her hair but I love this coord, it's simple yet elegant
>>8727760
Dress on floor
Shoes on dress
Nasty
>>8727766
thanks for your contribution
The shoes don't match but it'd be ok with a cardigan and a bag the same colour
>>8727750
True, that's why I was a bit reluctant to use that picture. I don't want to get too deep into picking apart her coord, I just wanted to point out that this is one of the cases where it got mislabeled as casual.
Some sweet
More sweet
>>8727783
The only thing casual about this is the unmatching tshirt.
>ITT: anything with a cardigan is casual.
Not convinced about this one, it doesn't feel lolita enough to me, but I think denim can look nice in casual lolita if coordinated well
The other cat dress can look casual as well
>>8727797
more like anything with a jacket
I think that my opinion on casual lolita is that if you look like a very well-dressed, pretty individual, but you're not getting stared at, shouted out or stand out so much you can feel it, you're pulling off casual lolita.
>>8727789
Technically it makes sense theme-wise since Castiel is an angel.
>>8727803
YES.
Blending in with the normies while keeping the poof means you're doing it right
I personally think that classic is the style that can most easily be turned into casual, but there are a few great sweet and gothic casual coords out there
>>8727803
Amen
I think what makes something casual lolita is more about the intent and time/effort put into a coord, and how comfortable it is for the individual. I think if someone picked out some comfortable, not-too-fussy pieces from their wardrobe and put together a decent outfit in the matter of minutes without much forethought, that is casual lolita. I think in the case of casual lolita, it's ok if there's one or two accessories that don't completely match because it's just a casual outfit by Lolita standards. The assumption would be if the person had more time to think about their outfit, they might have picked out better matching shoes or bag, or gone the extra mile to find that particular matching headbow, but in this case they might have gone with what was comfortable and most accessible.
I think trying to pin down a specific aesthetic for casual lolita kind of defeats the purpose. If the outfit was casually put together and can be worn casually, it's casual.
For example, high-waisted skirts are more comfortable for me as they put less pressure on my waist, and I'm more likely to put together a casual coord around that. I think casual lolita doesn't warrant posting on the internet, but I do appreciate people who post casual outfits because I like to see that it can be done.
I pretty much only wear casual. My outfits are usually based around muted and darker colors because they are less flashy, I wear tights and ankle socks in summer instead of OTKs, and "normalfag" headwear like berets or flat bows, or sometimes no headwear at all. I prefer blouses with a collar, but they have few frill and lace details, more like the ones axes femme sells. Minimal poof. You'll still stand out if you're wearing a print, but it's more "slightly weird" instead of "what the hell are you wearing".
>>8727740
Anon this is just standard Lolita.
>>8727734
Neo-whatever means "new" whatever. It's more newschool vs oldschool, or a new take on an existing style or aesthetic.
>>8727758
I'm all for casual but CDC doesn't deserve this Tumblr trash coord..
>>8727740
The tea parties push this out of casual for me. with different shoes maybe.
It's infuriating to see people post normal, non-OTT outfits and call them casual. Casual is low poof jsk, or skirt and cutsew territory, not a usual coord with the accessories taken out.
>>8727783
damn she used to be way skinner
>>8727778
I'm surprised to see Jona back, I guess she just waited long enough for everything to blow over
>>8727884
I know on boards like this, being catty is often seen as commonplace/acceptable, but picking on someone (who is still quite thin) for gaining weight is totally uncalled for. It contributes nothing to your argument for/against her coord, and makes you come across badly by pointing out something that is completely unrelated to the thread.
>>8727720
this just looks like lolita to me. it only looks slightly casual because of the scarf and lack of hair accessory.
>>8727889
lmfao she's not "back", what are you talking about
I think people who started wearing lolita in the past few years have a different perception of what casual lolita is. Mainly because of the popularity of OTT and otome kei.
>>8727933
Well she started posting coords on her tumblr again...
>>8727748
Totally casual.
>>8727709
>>8727752
>>8727803
>>8727811
>>8727821
>>8727855
Toned down=/=Casual
Casual lolita is about using non-lolita clothes for lolita, not about not dressing OTT. or "mature"
>>8727929
this is really cute. so is this >>8727855
>>8727762
It's bad.
love dem cutsews.
>>8727956
well it IS lolita after all
>>8727945
One of the problems is people using lolita brands in otome kei. It can work if someone has experience, but lolita has different finishing and embellishments. Beginners see otome kei as a style they can get into without buying a whole new wardrobe and they don't have the familiarity yet to see what makes otome kei otome as opposed to lolita. Then you get mislabeled coords and everyone gets confused.
>>8727962
With that print? It's definitely lolita.
so many basic lolita coords posted here
>>8727972
True. I've never tried to make an otome coord but people sometimes reblog my casual or basic lolita coords with #otome kei tag
>>8727862
its a replica anon
>>8727908
Hi Brooke
>>8727975
I know the print is lolita but the coordination, the colors look a bit otome-ish. Well a toned down lolita coord that is not casual.
Btw, i love cutsew dresses like pic related from AP.
>>8727982
It's frustrating, but I guess any style with a name is going to be misinterpreted by someone out there.
I think if anyone asked me for a tip on how to go lolita to otome, I'd say no cupcake skirts for the first year.
Any examples of casual gothic coords?
>>8727950
>Casual lolita is about using non-lolita clothes for lolita
Where did you pull this definition from, your ass? It sounds like prime ita-bait.
>Of course my thrifted square dance skirt and H&M t-shirt are lolita, I'm just wearing casual lolita!
Over half of these are just simple coords, not casual lolita. I feel like the longer I stay here, the less helpful and more confused this board gets about the fashion. Get your shit together, cgl.
>>8728031
If anything, sticking to brand keeps coords looking lolita when everything gets toned down.
>>8727798
I agree that this doesn't feel lolita, but I would totally wear this as an every day look.
when I started out, all of my inspiration for casual sweet came from the baby ribbon blog
I'm not sure if I would go with exposed shoulders even in casual lolita tough (end of mini baby ribbon spam)
>>8728023
Get the fuck out.
>>8728023
>>8728058
you're disgusting, go away.
Casual is the opposite of formal. A lot of what you gulls are posting as casual is too dressy or elegant.
>>8728063
>>8728070
>>8727956
>this lolita looks too much like lolita
Ok.
>>8728072
>>8728076
>>8728071
1. Thats not me, thankfully I dont have a unibrow.
2. I got enough dough to spend on my woman.
3. Where do I start with the fashion??? What are the most popular brands, and the most desired brands.
4. Macarons have become a hipster staple in my city, but holy shit Im tired of them. Still, if she wants them whatever I'll get them.
>>8727950
Thank you! I always considered it wearing less "iconic" Lolita pieces while still maintaining the overall aesthetic personally which generally involves simpler items or "normie" items.
>>8728079
Dream body right there
>saved
>>8728080
contribute or get out of this thread
>>8728079
>>8728088
>>8727908
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why you writin up a whole damn argumentative essay at that one remark? it was sort of blunt and probably unnecessary, but nothing like someone actually trying to be catty on /cgl/. that'd be more like, "wow, how did she turn into such a lumpy fatty-chan? gtfo my loli until you can stop stretching precious braaand!" anyways pick your battles, she wasn't being picked on. nb
>>8728085
I have this saved...
>>8728091
What thread?
>>8728094
>>8728108
>>8728031
Not OP but I think that using non lolita brands and even attempting a more casual lolita style should generally be done by someone with more knowledge about lolita than the basic ita. I think that casual lolita without knowledge has a large tendency to go ita (using fandom shirts square dancing skirts etc.).
>>8728036
I would 100% agree that if you are new to lolita or even casual lolita that this would be a better way to go about it as many brands offer cutsews that suit the casual style way better than 99% generic cheap normie shirts.
>>8728113
>>8728034
That's what makes casual lolita a difficult style. It's more the overall aesthetics than just a simple formular to stick to, so people have a hard time deciding whether a coord is casual or not.
>>8728132
>>8728139
>>8728141
>>8728144
>>8728132
this isn't even a basic coord anymore
>>8728146
>>8727956
If it doesn't look like lolita anymore, it's not casual lolita anymore, is it?
I remember we had the à la mode vs casual lolita discussion a few threads back anyway though.
>>8728154
But casual lolita can look very different from what lolita usually looks like. Those coords in particular dont look like they were going for a casual look, just basic lolita
>>8728152
When I think of casual lolita, I think of the lolita skirt+t-shirt look. As pointed out before, some of the coords posted in the beginning of this thread just look like non-OTT lolita.
I like Misako's casual coords as a more modern casual lolita look (what she calls soft lolita). I know some people label it as otome kei, but I think it looks too matchy for that. What do you think?
>>8728160
>>8728169
yes, but the ones she was talking about dont look that casual
>>8728161
agreed, so deleted to save image space in the thread.
>>8728171
>>8728175
>>8728175
You're a good person.
>>8728034
I've noticed this too. I think its because the board is mostly newer lolitas these days. I've noticed in threads where it's discussed (like wardrobe threads where they ask when you started collecting and shit like that) that most of the people responding got into lolita past 2012. You also see way less oldschool drama and trends and what not referenced outside of threads dedicated to it than you do with the cosplay side of the board. I think lolitas tend to ditch /cgl/ after a while more than cosplayers do.
>>8727766
That looks like a bed spread to me, not the floor. And maybe the shoes are new.
>>8728170
I think ETC rides the line in general.
>>8728182
Either that, or they come on here for help or to just be catty tryhards. After awhile, you have less use for coord help threads and general discussion where questions are asked. People get very "but my opinions guys!" and it just gets tiresome and boring for a lot of people. I mean, I think most of us enjoy a bit of gossip, but it can get really out of hand at times. I can see why many people do leave.
>>8728152
Wow this coord is amazing.Casual but eyecatching at the same time.
>>8728107
This is really cute. Pls have more you odd fetishist.
>>8728152
I don't get why people like this, there is too much going on here
I was trying to find that hellolace article about what is casual lolita because a lot of these coords here aren't casual.
Tone down =/= casual. Casual lolita used to be little to no poof, simple cutsew, maybe some tea parties or cute simple shoes, a simple and plain hair style with little to barely no accessories.
http://www.lolitafashion.org/casual_lolita.html
^ this article is what casual lolita is. It is just plain and simple that has lolita traits. There was a list long time ago that I remember where you check off what you have on and if it was 7 or more checks on the list, it shpuld be considered as lolita and not casual but sadly I can't find that article anymore.
>>8728239
how is
>no poof
>simple shoes
>simple hairstyle
>little to no accessories
not toned down?
As cosplayer and non-lolita, let me see if I get this right:
simple lolita - basic lolita outfit (blouse + skirt or dress + leggings) with few/no lolita brand accessories
casual lolita - a lolita skirt/dress + one other item such as hair bow, shoes, leggings, purse, but not all together. In other words, a skirt + another lolita element and the rest is street clothes or nice 'regular' pieces
>>8728361
more than specific rules like that, there's the "feel" to consider. lolita a la mode can be what you describe as casual (a non-lolita outfit made with lolita items).
casual is casual. it is comfortable, suitable for daily wear, does not look so carefully pieced together or elegantly formal. it's relaxed, maybe more fun or sporty.
this is definitely casual lolita: >>8727950 (one reason: it doesn't look like any other fashion but lolita, but it's way less dressy/matchy)
this is basic lolita: >>8727741(one reason: add a few more accessories and no one would call it casual)
this is more lolita a la mode: >>8727793 (one reason: the neckline breaks lolita rules)
>>8728376
Are we still making lolita a la mode a thing? Thought it was more of a one magazine thing and the magazine shut years ago.
>>8728385
it's nice to have a name for "uses lolita but isn't lolita," but i would not consider it to be its own style, more of a method.
>>8728361
>As cosplayer and non-lolita
Shut up and get out.
>>8728190
Wasn't emikyu known as a casual lolita brand?
>>8728467
That's an otome brand.
>>8728467
Well back in the old western community, a lot of their tailoring wouldn't have passed the baseline qualifications to be considered lolita. There was a lot of debate about it. Maybe that's changed.
Things have always been different in Japan, though.
>>8728472
Never has emikyu stated that they are an otome brand or lolita brand. Same with jane marple. Jm actually acts like they are above that.
>>8727707
not sure about the vest, the skirt is an old school iw velvet piece: http://lolibrary.org/apparel/velveteen-pleated-skirt
the color seems way off, I have one that's more of a wine bordeaux color, unless this is a different colorway.
>>8728482
I think JM sees itself more as an actual fashion brand. Especially since So-en is their main magazine.
>>8727766
not this shit again.
>>8727732
Can someone tell me what dress this is?
>>8727728
This isn't lolita it's noob/ita.
>>8727783
Woah is this Lillith? She looks so young here.
>>8727762
The fuck is up with her skirt?
This looks like an inflated-skirt office lady.
>>8727961
I love it, someone like my mom (45 but she looks younger actually) could wear this and look cute yet not "too weird". Maybe not the socks or just the cherry part. It gives me determination to still wear what i love for when i get older thank you anon
>>8728538
JM actually also have a line called Dans Le Salon which is aimed at women 30+. They take a lot of collection themes from mainline JM and give them a slightly more mature spin. They work great for office clothes too.
>>8728552
So that's what Dans Le Salon is! I never understood what it was supposed to be.
>>8728590
Yeah, it's a bit different than what we think of when we think jfashion. It's pretty cool seeing how they reinterpret trends. A while back, both mainline and DLS did paisley collections. Mainline took a bit of a folksy traditional approach while DLS had these silk dresses with a kind of deconstructed large-scale paisley border print.
>>8728523
Hop off, anon, that's MY dream dress!
It's sometimes called Pop Swinger and sometimes called Vintage Record? I'm not sure what the official name is.
Would you consider Fanny's daily wear to be classic or casual (or a la mode, if that's really a thing)?
>>8727884
sorry but I had to
This thread makes me regret taking any advice from you guys. None of you can agree on a definition that surely exists... that is fucking sad.
>>8728701
That's kind of cgl in a nutshell, I'd say. Take everything with a grain of salt and check it against other sources before buying into it.
I was always under the impression that "casual" lolita in the west was such a big thing because it was harder to get suitable blouses and such a few years ago, so there was more leeway for cute t-shirts and less strict coords. But hey. What do I know?
>>8728715
not casual. stop.
>>8728717
a lot of what i have posted comes from casual lolita tags on Japanese coord sharing sites. but in the West there are too many people who think "casual" means "basic." it's a symptom of contemporary internet lolita culture, where each lolita wants to look like a magazine spread.
>>8728717
I think there are just a lot of beginners on here who don't realize they're beginners.
From what I saw in the mid-00s, most people got into lolita with cutsews because a) it didn't look as weird when you were wearing it day to day b) easier to launder if you're, again, wearing it day to day and c) Meta was one of the few good lolita stores that shipped abroad and they really pushed casual.
>>8728671
A la mode for her workwear. The reason is that she incorporates her lolita pieces into her outfits, but you can tell it's definitely for her office work, and not fit her day off.
As other people have said, it's the feel of the overall outfit. Casual lolita will tend to have t-shirts or t-shirt-based cutsews that give an overall feel of comfort or fun for the wearer.
>>8728701
Same, I was genuinely curious about the definition of "casual lolita" and half the thread just seem like pretty regular lolita outfits? What makes it casual after all..??
>>8728734
have you read any of the explanations offered?
anyway, for anons looking for casual inspo, copy/paste the following terms if you cannot into japanese well.
カジュアルロリータ (casual lolita)
カジュロリ (kajurori, the abbreviation of above)
>>8728339
Okay there is the thing, >>8727723 >>8727697 and lastly this,>>8727760 are not a casual lolita coord. It is a plain and simple lolita coord that is toned down but still looks very well put and elegant.
And now this, >>8727929 >>8727950 >>8727951 are all real examples of casual lolita. There isn't really a lot of color matching, really plain and simple and something you would wear daily to school or do errands.
That is the difference between a toned down coord and a casual lolita coord. Casual in lolita is literally what it means, casual and not very fancy or anything.
>>8728749
also, though it should go without saying, mistags happen. use common sense when looking through coord sites or image searches.
>>8728757
>Casual in lolita is literally what it means, casual and not very fancy or anything.
i think people must be interpreting the word "casual" to mean different things, which might be part of the confusion.
if you wouldn't wear it to a fancy event, or even a nice dinner, or even professional work, it's likely casual.
>>8728749
I did but it's not like everyone shares the same idea.
It made me specially confused after posting in a group a while ago of a coord I put together that hit every point of a regular coord and got people complimenting my "casual" coord. Thank you for the terms for research.
>>8728757 made it quite simple. Thanks!
>>8728749
someone asked what casual lolita is here: http://m.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/detail/q1265274837#
Google translate fucks my shit up, but the "best answer" mentions Putumayo (cheap!), Angelic Pretty (for cute parkas), and Peace Now as being good brands to use for kajurori. a lot of what they are explaining as ita vs casual goes over my head, though.
>>8728772
AP has also salopettes, plainer skirts or miniskirts other than cute parkas and cutsew for casual!I have mostly stuff like this from AP.
>>8728749
>have you read any of the explanations offered?
Uhhh most of this thread is arguing. Every time someone gives a definition, someone else says that's not right.
This is definitely just a place to bitch and whine about the fashion. Not to actually discuss it or get advice. No one here knows what they're doing apparently.
>>8728791
>Every time someone gives a definition, someone else says that's not right.
this is life. please take a moment away from 4chan before painting everyone here the same color.
>>8728770
The OP seems designed to prompt debate, so yes, there will be many opinions. Like others have said, sites like fyeahlolita actually define casual in a way that matches what brands and fashion mags say/show. The pic in >>8727950
literally has "casual" (kajuaru) written on it. Anything outside of that is just opinion.
>>8728791
>Every time someone gives a definition, someone else says that's not right.
A lot of definitions have not received a response, so careful with your generalizations.
>>8728630
Haha sorry. It's really cute!! I hope you find it someday.
>>8728085
I love this. Would love to see more coords like this.
>>8728810
punk lolita is the ultimate casual style.
>>8728800
Because there's no such thing as board culture.
I can definitely go else where for lolita advice
>>8728814
>>8728807
>A lot of definitions have not received a response, so careful with your generalizations.
Why? Are you upset because that now includes you?
>>8728826
remember casual is also on a sliding scale. some outfits can straddle the line.
>>8728835
>>8728770
You're welcome.
>>8728763
>i think people must be interpreting the word "casual" to mean different things, which might be part of the confusion
I totally believe this is the problem with the name with "casual" lolita since something that is casual to someone can mean something else too another person.
>>8728839
>>8728895
This also is regular lolita. It's too polished to be casual.
>>8728910
and too fancy. i can't see wearing something like that and feeling comfortable or casual at all.
>>8727722
she looks like the mom from home alone
>>8727762
She needs to do something with her hair that will hide those ears, damn.
>>8727721
It's more classically recognisable as lolita than some j et j skater dress with a painting slapped on it
>>8727736
This is a full polished coord with a couple of 'vintagey' items thrown in but not in the least bit casual
>>8727762
Yup this giving me casual wear lolita inspired vibes, although I would have worn not so cheap lace tights or used dusty pink as an accent color
>>8727821
i think it's hard to define what casual lolita is because casual tends to be different for everyone. for example outside of lolita my casual is leggings and a big sweater, but someone elses is a nice (non lolita) dress and a cardigan. i think it's more of a scale than a specific substyle.
>>8727950
I'm wondering if that view comes from an era where everything wasn't about prints and brand was harder to come by. When I started out around 10 years ago I didn't have access to a lot besides offbrand so gravitated toward stuff that sort of felt lolita. Is it odd that I feel doing casual with mainly offbrand and leaving simple coords with mainly lolita brands separate stops lolita-proper becoming watered down? I feel like lolita pieces are starting to look more normie so people can still see it as 'wearable' but wear 10 accessories and a big headpiece, rather than keep obviously lolita individual pieces and just tone down how the look is constructed? Maybe I'm just stuck in the past with white contrasting lace amd everything looking kind of tacky and meido
>>8728025
I think the problem with gothic is that without the lolita influence it easily just becomes goth, rather than toned down gothic lolita. And actually considering how the last few gothic lolita threads have gone discussion wise, there's a lot of debate over what even constitutes gothic anymore, so you have that complicating it. I think toned down gothic would be very difficult to define in the current lolita climate.
>>8728182
This. Although I migrated to cgl after egl died and right around the time drama was banned so I don't really remember the 'old cgl'.
>>8728193
After maybe a year on here I realized the coord threads had honestly lots of poor taste and couldn't help with anything more than basic problems, so I stopped posting there. I'm basically here to keep up on release news/drama and that's it.
>>8728701
The faster you learn, the better.
>>8728376
Disagree with your last point. It's not like she has cleavage showing and deep or V-shaped necklines aren't unheard of in lolita, just rarer. I think it is a la mode but because it feels more like a normalfag vintage inspired office outfit than a lolita one due to the overall maturity and lack of cuteness or quirkyness lolita has. Like the vintage style OL stuff you see on taobao.
>>8728726
Now that you mention it, Meta probably had a lot to do with it. I have a decent amount of their skirt coords saved from their coord posts so I'll try to post some that seem casual to me.
>>8728791
Wowie you mean not everything in a creative hobby has a strict black-and-white definition? What a revelation.
>>8729568
One or two more..
>>8729573
So like that anon said, I guess you can think of the cutsew and skirt coord as casual as heavily Meta's doing? These coords are from the past couple years so they're newer examples of the early definition of casual. Whereas I think other brands tend towards other ways of doing casual- both IW and Baby do a lot of cutsew dresses, simple trapeze dresses or trapeze/simple dress with a turtleneck/collared cutsew underneath. All of which I would still call casual given that the accessorizing is.
A lot of IW's casual items end up in luckypacks too, now that I think of it.
>>8729576
I think the difference is, Meta has always been more willing to embrace a rockabilly aesthetic. The way they do casual, pop and pared-down skirts matches up with how a westerner might conceive of casual, if that makes any sense?
>>8729576
I think this is the best way to clear up what casual is and I honestly don't think the definition has changed since 2008 when I was into casual, I think people are just a bit confused because it's not as popular anymore with all the ott trends. Honestly blouses don't work well for casual, they look to dressed up and polish the coord. Like you said something more t shirt like (cutsews, sweaters) made specifically for Lolita to fit well with skirts (it's easier if they are cut shorter an flared and the end so they don't squish your skirt) is best for the top. The skirt then is typically very simple with small print and a bit of lace (think lucky pack skirts) because a crazy detailed skirt would overwhelm and look odd with whatever is chosen for the top. Leg wear is something that's a lot more broad and can be anything from tights to otks to ankle socks but once again they are typically very simple. Shoes then are usually flat or have very little heel because heels would be too formal for the overall look. Also, because it's a comfy style people usually opted to style their hair instead of going for a wig, and very little cute accessories were added. People are mixing up "simple" Lolita styles with "casual" which is an actual sub style in a way.
>>8729777
Also jsks and ops weren't used often because they need to be polished up to look correct and not "ita." But salos that have the correct length and poof allowance at the bottom worked well because you could still wear a simple top under them without it looking odd.
>>8729777
pretty much my modern definition of casual is like AP special set tier stuff.
>>8729950
Yah but those would be considered a special case in my opinion. If they are meant to be worn casually that's great, but many aren't and would look odd with a cutsew underneath depending on the style and cut of it. Considering many people in this thread aren't quite grasping it, it would probably be better to steer away from it until they get a better eye for what looks good in a casual Lolita style. There's no doubt that they could work, it's just very particular ones.
Bump
>>8730913
This isn't even lolita
>>8730928
why not
>>8730964
Because it has literally no hallmarks of lolita except that you're wearing a skirt. Which is not even poofy enough to be lolita as-worn and is getting totally eaten by the volume of the sweater+scarf anyway, so the entire silhouette fails to be lolita.
>>8730992
That skirt (and canotier) still looks more typically lolita in that coord than all the ETC, Juliette and Justine or Jane Marple coords that fly ONLY because they're brand. Two of those are otome brands but now as far as everyone's concerned a lolita dress/skirt is anything with a print on it that you might be able to put a petti under
>>8730913
Looks more himekaji to me
>>8730913
Agreed that it's not lolita, it's a la mode.
>>8731026
Canotiers are used in plenty of other jfashions, including mori and cpk, because they can have a lacy, layering look.
As for the rest of your post, highly disagree. Honestly, you just sound like you don't know what you're talking about if you don't understand the importance of silhouette and aesthetic. What exactly looks 'typically lolita' about this?
>>8731078
I know they are and i'm saying the sillhouette and aesthetic of lolita has been watered down to shit, but even that outfit says lolita to me more than the aforementioned because of the individual items. Call it a la mode if you want, swap the sweater for a cutsew and cardigan then call it casual. The skirt length is kind of borderline.
>>8731161
>completely change the silhouette and it becomes lolita
Well no shit. This is why I'm saying you don't understand how important it is.
>>8728170
From an interview of hers:
- I have a question about the Lolita fashion categories in this book. You suggested the new Lolita category, “Soft Lolita”. Do you have any special opinions?
I often think it is difficult to wear Lolita fashion because my other job is nursing. So I can’t wear Lolita clothes when I work as a nurse, and I also don’t have enough time to complete my ideal Lolita fashion collection. Although, I know that there are a number of girls who want to enjoy Lolita fashion 365 days a year, so I suggested the girlie and romantic “Soft Lolita”, which is a more casual Lolita fashion option. A good example of this is can be seen in “LARME”, the fashion magazine which is very popular among young girls who love kawaii. “LARME” shows many “Soft Lolita” styles. I want such girls to be interested in true Lolita fashion as well and to gradually come to wear Lolita clothes.
So it's not really lolita. People who think this is the same as otome kei are idiots.
>>8732480
So it's basically larme kei but with more lolita items, or something? It sounds like she's really trying to force it.
>>8732487
It sounds more like the western community is trying to force larme kei to be a specific style with a set of rules when really you can wear a lot of styles in a 'larme' way.
I think she made up soft lolita to have something without the rules and to make it less scary. She obviously doesn't consider it real lolita, and she knows casual lolita already exists, so soft lolita is just wearing cute dresses and skirts. In the book she recommended brands like cerise, leur getter and milk if I remember correctly.
>>8731026
What makes something lolita is not the brands they are from but how it is worn. Wearing lolita brand items in a non lolita way makes it a non lolita outfit.
>>8728462
Otome kei is its own thing though. It's not casual lolita or using lolita pieces in normal outfits. Like lolita it focuses on looking girly or maidenly, but there are not such specific rules for the silhouette and it tends to emphasize accent pieces and mixed patterns and colors. Lolita is a lot more matchy with the colors. There is some overlap, but otome kei =/= casual lolita.
>>8732547
>soft lolita is just wearing cute dresses and skirts
So why does it even need a name then? That's so basic, calling it "soft lolita" sounds pretentious.
>>8732564
It doesn't need a name. She just uses it to promote lolita. It sounds cute tough, I think I might start using it. Idc if people call me a special snowflake, from now on my daily style shall be labelled soft lolita.
>>8732580
It's just so... unnecessary and twee. You do you, I guess. Not enough to wear clothes, have to slap a silly name onto it too?
>>8732582
Yes, just like the otome and larme crowd
>>8732711
>>8732724
YES
>>8728685
kek
>>8732727
That's not even slightly lolita, it's just cutesy goth.
>>8732864
>lolita boots
>moitie skirt
>poof
Definitely casual gothic lolita
>>8732864
But it was in the Moitie tag on Tumblr.
>>8732695
Larme and otome have pretty specific codifiers, though. "Cute dresses and skirts" is too vague to actually need a name. Like, shit, that's just called wearing a cute dress or a cute skirt.
>>8732866
So? Tagging the brand doesn't make it lolita.
There's really no need to slap a label on everything. Sometimes it's just clothes.
>>8732912
She's wearing casual gothic lolita, anon
>>8732924
Are you dumb?
>>8733040
different anon from before but, is casual lolita not a toned down version of any lolita style?
if she's wearing lolita boots, a moitie skirt (with poof), and minimal accessories, how is it NOT casual lolita? you can tell that with a different blouse and more accessories that this could be a gothic lolita coord?
so much nitpicking on cgl recently.
