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This thread is for ouji and aristocrat (aka "boystyle") discussion.
Look up buttcape's "Ouji Overview" before asking any questions here.
Google "elegant gothic aristocrat" before asking any questions here.
Read the whole thread before asking any questions here.
Post coords, questions, tips, inspo, etc. OC and selfposts encouraged! Picspam discouraged, we've seen most of it by now.
DISCUSSION PROMPT: Did you do anything princely for Halloween? What special occasion, meetup, or brand release are you looking forward to next?
>>8697142
Do other gulls do long hair or short hair for ouji? I've seen both
boyfriend was going to do his first boystyle coord on Halloweem for a meet but none of his clothes came in on time. I felt really bad cause it was his first time hanging out with the group but he looked handsome in normalfag gentleman clothes. If anyone had any U.S. shops to recommend that doesn't take 28383828 years to ship that would be so helpful!
>>8697142
>Did you do anything princely for Halloween?
i attended a mid-October Halloween meetup, and explored downtown in a simpler ouji coord for Halloween. a beggar complimented my outfit.
>What special occasion, meetup, or brand release are you looking forward to next?
my first ILD. i feel that i should wear something special or new so i will budget for another secondhand haul.
>>8697195
do what works best for you. i do short hair.
>>8697209
how big is your boyfriend?
>>8697232
he's petite I'd say not sure on specifics
>>8697209
>If anyone had any U.S. shops to recommend that doesn't take 28383828 years to ship that would be so helpful!
Where were you trying to order clothing from that it took so long to receive? I live in US and Japanese shops/services with EMS shipping take like three-four days to get in the mail.
>>8697250
get a flat measurement, in centimeters, of his best-fittint clothes. if a shirt that fits him well is under 42cm across the shoulders, and/or the waistband of a good pair of pants is 80cm or under (around), definitely hit up Japanese shops. like >>8697260 says, they ship pretty fast via EMS.
found this full page ouji guide thing of looks to wear throughout the week
>>8697492
which led me to look for ouji in GLB scans, which led me to this blog: http://ouji-armoire.tumblr.com
i am checking out their tag system now and it looks great so far. you can search for images and coords by color, theme, brand, etc. i hope the blog stays active because there is nothing like it for boystyle as far as i know!
>>8697142
>Did you do anything princely for Halloween?
I'm still looking for a place to buy clothes for my first casual-ouji-coord. I kind of learned few brand names and general idea already thanks to nice anons here, but finding shopping places is hard.
>>8697142
I wore three different outfits this last week, which is a record for me. One was new but unfinished, one I had already worn to a meet months ago, and the last was completely new.
As for hair I prefer shoulder length or shorter. Reason? I am terrible at taking care of long wigs. They tangle so easily and I don't have the patience to comb them out properly.
> halloween
> be a vampire
> nothing but Twilight jokes from muggles
>>8697770
ayyy edward lmfao
also nice to know you are a gull, lone ouji vlogger
>you look more Rice than Meyers btw
>>8697718
for casual ouji/oujiable brands, yahoo japan auctions will be your best bet.
unless you are large-sized, then try for a dolly-kei-ish version by thrifting nice vintage clothes near you and altering hem lengths, adding simple trim, etc.
>>8697776
ayyyy anon, haha I like the sound of that lone ouji vlogger. There are other ouji vloggers out there they just barely produce content. It get lonely out here some times.
> Im incredibly flattered
>>8697868
i and at least one other ouji anon want to vlog, but do not for privacy/profession reasons.
i may vlog the seagull secret santa stuff, treating it like an unboxing video to post on or after Christmas. i plan this as a foot in the door video to warm myself up to the idea of making vlogs.
>>8698100
Thats understandable.
You should definitely do it! I'd watch it.
>>8697801
Do yahoo auctions ship to Europe? Should I try typing brand names or is there a general ouji tag? Thank you (in advance).
>>8697801
Also Idk how do I into dolly-kei. There are no vintage clothes in place I'm living in rn.
>>8698912
I highly doubt that.
> Where there are old people
> There is old clothes
Find a thrift shop or antique craft mall. Churches tend to run thrift stores for extra funds and donation practices.
Its understandable not completely knowing how to do the fashion but take time to gather images of dolly kei that you like and try to emulate it. Thats how you learn.
Plus thrifting is fun and all but I requires a good eye and time to dig.
>>8698907
you would need to use a shopping service, and EU can levy some shitty customs taxes.
there are many guides on how to buy lolita secondhand, and the advice will work just as well for ouji.
>>8699250
In place I'm cirrently living there are no thrift shops, but taxes aren't that hard as long as you don't use courier or stuff like shipping services. I've googled some & they don't ship here anyways.
>>8700710
dang. ClosetChild seems like they will ship anywhere and they are very reliable. do you mind saying where you live? is there a lot of disruption of mail that would make international businesses hesitant? i know some stopped delivering to Ukraine because of the turmoil.
>>8701043
That website looks good.
>almost 2kå for a shipment of a single item
I-I'll have to save on candies and sweets to buy ouji, being a prince will require some work.
I'm living in slightly less important part of EU right now but nothing like Ukraine or any of dangerous countries, so if website has international shipping it'll certainly work.
>>8702404
>being a prince will require some work.
it always does.
good luck on your journey.
>pic unrelated, random girlish ouji makeup tutorial
>>8703340
I wish I had a wig like this ugh
some inspo
>>8702404
There are usually a few european sellers on lacemarket.
>>8704099
Is that a sock wrapped around their hat
>>8704211
it has seams
>>8704778
Oh thank god. I'm on my phone and couldn't tell what was happening.
I'm really new at ouji and lolita in general. So I've been wondering if anyone had any suggestions on accessories to go with this? >>8704582
Not really too sure about do's and don'ts about the fashion when it comes to accessories. Also any other help is great too!
>>8704874
Feels like you're missing little things, and that it could use more gold. I definitely think a lapel pin or brooch, possibly a pocket watch on a long necklace chain depending on how big you go with said lapel pin, and even consider a brooch pinned onto the jabot just above where the chain is sitting. Hair wise you could consider a gold floral corsage with white ostrich feathers, although that will make the outfit very feminine., and having the wig as it is is also ok
>>8704874
I saw this on insta!
The thing missing the most to me is accessories like gold and white enamel rings and maybe some decorative pins in the wig. White tights with some sort of sheer pattern would look nice.
What would slay me is switching out your glasses for thin gold frames with a decorative gold idiot-chain.
>>8704935
>>8704986
Aaaah. Thanks for the help! Also slightly flustered you actually saw it on Instagram! Definitely will keep those in mind when I'm shopping.
As for the glasses suggestion, I was thinking of getting prop ones for whenever I do a photoshoot or something! My eyesight is horrendous so I couldn't survive with fake glasses haha
>>8705005
Np. I'm not one of those "your glasses ruin the coord you should go blind!!!1!" People, but having a matching prop pair for photos would get you an A+
Do you have shoes figured out yet?
>>8705967
Not really. I've been looking around for white or gold (more partial with gold), but it's really hard not to find one TOO girly.
anyone else tired of the huge gold trim on many boystyle releases? it looks too formal for regular wear. i would feel like i was in costume going to tea in most AatP items.
11.11 tomorrow. Are you going to buy anything? Any links to all boystyle stores with sales? (Any style is fine we don't have as many threads as Lolita&mori)
>>8710168
thanks for the reminder! i don't know how much i can spend but i will check things out.
this guy in alice auaa has good makeup for gothic looks imo
>>8709206
It looks cheap, too. I am not a fan of the poorly used soutache as a border either. It looks like a Halloween costume.
>>8710608
and yet they are asking over 50k yen for it... who buys and wears it?
>>8709206
this set looks better, but it's not offered in men's size and still has the weird braided trim.
Anyone seen this? What do you guys think of it? As someone fond of The Little Prince, I'm highly considering it.
>>8713056
it's a great idea. not my style but the pieces can be used versatilely enough so that it is not only a character-themed coord.
I don't like Kuroshitsuji but this h. Naoto outfit is fucking gorgeous and Hyde is rocking it despite being twice my age. Can I please have the gilet and agelessness?
>>8712152
I like the shape of this one and considering getting it but I'm waiting to see what the black and brown colorways will look like. Bright vomit green is just too much.
>>8713056
i love the jacket! just wish the dress had a more book-like atmosphere. it didn't make me recall the original illustrations too much, despite featuring them
>>8697718
Is that you?
If it is-- Is your hair thin or thick? Because that's exactly the cut I want but my hair is so straight and thin.
Holy fuck I love your hair.
>>8714330
note the 4chan filename, dear friend
I was wondering if there are any taobao or indie brands that have released any jackets or coats in a similair aesthetic to atelier boz or moi meme moitie? I'm not looking for replicas. Alternatively are there certain cuts that fit broader shoulders better? I'm looking to buy a jacket or coat for someone but there shoulder width is about 45cm.
>>8715049
not indie, but h. Naoto sometimes releases jackets like that, pic related. Black Peace Now/BPN for Men also had many, which come up often on Japanese secondhand sites and auctions and can be more affordable.
also look for Ozz On/Ozz Croce and Gadget Grow.
45cm is pushing it for Japanese brands but i have seen some go around that big. not often, though.
>>8715049
i do not know what style specifically you would like, but alice auaa is a high quality gothic brand whose pieces are well-made and often expensive.
this coat is only 16k yen and the shoulders are listed as 51cm, which is the widest i have seen in a Japanese brand.
http://www.maidenclothing.net/s/search/detail.php?id=154061882001
maidenclothing does ship overseas, too.
>>8715510
side view
>>8715073
why not show that picture?
but i will see what pics i have saved for hair inspo.
>>8715621
>>8715630
>>8715632
>>8715636
this without the mullet part might be clear enough to show a stylist. sadly many ouji pics i have do not have a clear shot of the hair due to size, image quality, or headwear.
words to use when getting it cut:
>punky
>layered
>razor-cut
>versatile
>>8715642
this with shorter bangs might be a clearer image than the one you guys originally liked as well
>>8715647
another Akira ouji tutorial
>>8715656
>>8715647
Lovely texture on that Roland.. Especially with those tights.
i'll just leave this here
>>8717120
Some people think the flirty comments on photos is creepy, but I am flattered by the few I have gotten from strangers.
>>8717120
and here i thought i would have more checked off. i guess i'm small time after all.
>>8709206
i waited forever to find some aatp pieces without the trim. it's less versatile when you're basically stuck using gold accessories. i think they try to use the trim to make up for a lack of texture elsewhere, when something plain like >>8715647
looks so much better. i own a good amount of aatp, but their stuff always feels sort of cheap even in comparison to some taobao stores.
Closet Child has a few of these coats up in different colors, guys. This one has 41cm shoulders. someone was asking about sweet ouji in bigger sizes. if you have one or two hundred dollars to spare go check em out.
>>8717120
Despite my best efforts, no bingo.
>>8718345
^ Failed to attach
>>8717120
>*FIRST COORD
What's this supposed to refer to?
>>8717120
>>8717120
The weird looks are the best part!!!
Is that realy easy to find a Roland knockoff? Fan+Friends used to have one (good), but not anymore (and those with ugly patterns are hideous)
pic unrelated
![Bf9zVTh[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/srKxJkx.jpg "Bf9zVTh[1].jpg")
>>8717120
so close, yet so far
the only way i'd bingo was if i got an EGA moitie item, i wouldn't do any of the other things (will get a roland, but no bingo there)
Any advice for tall girls and what brands to buy for pants? I seem to have run into a problem of the inseam being too short but I'm worried the men's sizes will have too wide of a waist.
>>8723379
>I seem to have run into a problem of the inseam being too short but I'm worried the men's sizes will have too wide of a waist.
well, how wide is your waist? and your hips?
10/10 would pay money to see someone coord these ridiculous pants
>>8723695
oh nouji
>>8723695
Looks pretty Utena-core to me
>>8717120
Bingo~
>>8723750
Thats what I thought too.
>>8723481
Ah, shit, I actually posted for a friend, but I think she's got a 25" waist, idk about hips, and is like 5'7"
>>8723828
holy fuck
you are approaching master levels of ouji
>>8723828
i mean, you did all that in boystyle right?
>>8723695
where are they from
i will make magic happen
>>8720443
I think F+F still have a long Roland knockoff.
>>8723861
Depends on how big her hips are, but AatP's mens size trousers will probably fit well. I find mine sit at the top of my hips rather than on my waist.
>>8718301
yeah i was looking at those too.. but i just splurged on another print so I'm not sure i'll be able to afford this. so sad
>>8697868
will join you next year when i get my life sorted out.. really want to vlog about boystyle too!
>>8723750
My first thought. Now I want them.
>>8718301
hellcatpunks has a new coat that is similar to this and it's pretty cute too:
http://www.hellcatpunks-online.com/shopdetail/000000004207/
the navy version is also adorbs
>>8723861
>I think she's got a 25" waist, idk about hips, and is like 5'7"
thanks for the thinspo, anon, think i'll go for a jog.
>tfw 5'6" with 30inch waist and 40inch hips
>fuck my unprincely pear-shaped torso
dont die thread
>>8725832
>>8725835
>>8725840
>floppy ear hats
who wears these
>>8725840
>>8725843
Me desu
> ouji goals
>>8725848
>>8725854
>>8725856
>>8725860
no need to image dump, this is a discussion thread
>>8725840
I want this hat so much!!!
.
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Or just a hat with floppy ears.
any ethnic minority boystylers here?
>>8726510
I'd say that's not quite boystyle because of the pants anon... Closer to aristo
Still handsome
>>8726524
"boystyle" is shorthand for "ouji and/or aristocrat."
terminology for this fashion is balls.
>>8726531
no it's not. aristocrat isn't lolita, it's a different fashion all together plus there is aristocrat for females too. boystyle is just ouji since it's easier to say boystyle instead of little prince. only recently did you retards start using them the same.
>>8726533
unlike in lolita, there is a lot of overlap between ouji and aristocrat. having one word to refer to both would be nice.
additionally, outside of Moitie brands don't seem to use "aristocrat." it's all just ouji/prince/boystyle. see >>8697492 for example.
like i said, terminology is balls for this fashion. "boystyle" seems like a fine middle ground for discussions that involve the range of masculine lolita-related styles, but if you have an alternate suggestion, propose it.
>>8726581
there are atleast 2 brands other than MMM that sell both lolita and aristocrat, and you know, aristocrat styles have their own brands. my "proposal" is that we just have threads for ouji and also for aristocrat for both genders since it seems stupid to include aristocrat in 'boystyle' and also have an aristocrat thread.
>>8726531
No, it's really not. There's nothing boyish about aristocrat.
>>8726590
do they call it "aristocrat" or just "gothic"? links or caps would help your argument.
article about ouji oversees!
http://charismatalk.jp/articles/ux5H3Ykm
the captions are golden.
>>8726610
a few select translations via Google:
>The seniors of ouji-kei will also wear lots of ornaments.
>>8726606
It's Aristocrat. it's a different fashion. It's Japan's anwer to romantic goth and is actually older than lolita. I can't believe you're so fucking new.
there's an article about it from 5 years ago on F Yeah Lolita.
>>8726610
>Become the gentleman
Okay.
>>8726614
>It becomes elegant gentleman.
>Become the gentleman.
>>8726617
>It will be love with cute Lolita-chan!
>>8726621
>Ouji-kei with lolita, a perfect picture.
>>8726615
i think you misunderstand the use of "older" there. it is not literally older, and you will not find Japanese publications referring to what we call "aristocrat" as anything but gothic, lolita, or prince. when fyeahlolita says it's the older cousin, she means it's more mature.
>>8726615
additionally, the fyeahlolita page for Boystyle includes Aristocrat, so that's another reason it's not the best source to fall back on for your argument.
>>8726628
i think she meant romantic goth is older than lolita, anon...
>>8726632
if anon had said "which is," that would have been my interpretation, but they said "and is."
>>8726615
>It's Japan's anwer to romantic goth and is actually older than lolita.
the "and" cannot refer to "romantic goth" here, it clearly refers to "It" (aka aristocrat). of course romantic goth is older than lolita, you would have to be complerely ignorant to think otherwise.
>>8726610
also found this message board for oujis: http://mixi.jp/view_community.pl?id=1586654
need to homework but may return with Google Translate finds/pics soon.
>>8726592
In this case, "boystyle" refers not to boyish youthfulness, but to being the masculine counterpart to a feminine style. So boystyle lolita would be ouji, while boystyle aristocrat would be male aristocrat.
We're not ageplayers.
There isn't a big enough distinct userbase for each on /cgl/ to get their own general. We've discussed them together before without an issue, and no one is really losing anything by keeping the thread open to both styles. It's just pedants being pedants.
>>8726631
Palace of Princes uses boystyle as an umbrella term for ouji and aristocrat as well.
Let's just add aristocrat in the title next time, so there's at least one place to post/discuss femme aristo which probably can't hold a thread on its own.
>>8726533
>recently
http://dandy-handbook.livejournal.com/
They were grouped together seven fucking year ago, retardasaurus.
>>8726761
we have had femme aristo threads before. they were quite nice. i am approaching the limit of threads i can create, but if you made one, i would contribute.
Are there any relatively decent F+F ouji pieces? I know the general concensus is that their quality is pretty meh but I saw their bat vest and I'm interested. Is there anyone here who owns ouji pieces from them (or even the bat vest) that can give their input?
I'm new to the fashion and the few pieces I have so far are second-hand taobao from sales groups (which can take loads of time till someone is selling something interesting for me) and modified Bodyline. I can't justify expensive ouji purchases since I don't wear it regularly so I was wondering about F+F or if I'm just better off buying from taobao and second hand. Thanks!
>>8728696
sorry, i do not have experience with F+F. but have you ever tried to order from Japanese secondhand sites? prices can be comparable to taobao and even Bodyline, if you can fit the standard sizes.
>>8728793
I haven't, it's something I need to explore. I'm always worried about fucking up something, the costs of agents+int. shipping since customs has been hitting me quite a few times recently and not knowing shit of japanese.
Whenever I have the time, I'll properly read some guides on how to order from those and give it a try. Thank you for the suggestion.
>>8723892
closetchild
>inb4 late reply
>>8726624
lol manlet
>>8729258
It's a girl...
>>8729269
Who can tell when they're Japanese? Anyway, lol, womanlet.
>>8729278
>all Asians look the same
did you even read the context of the photo?
thoughts on this webshop for bigger boystylers?
http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/c-1087-mens-long-sleeve-gothic-shirts.aspx
there are a few pieces that would be suited to dark EGA/ouji. might find some wardrobe basics/fillers.
>>8729612
sample vest they sell: http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/p-29923-gothic-black-pinstripe-v-neck-waistcoat.aspx
i would suggest to avoid anything satiny or shiny, and watch out for low-quality lace. but i think the quality of many items must be at least as good as Bodyline or F+F, so consider checking here if you are too large for brand.
has anyone purchased these F+F pants and know how the fabric quality is like? I have a couple of IW tops/vests that I want to coord with puffy pants + beret and these are the only ones I can find that come in brown and are cut like pants and not bloomers.
was thinking to ask them to remove the belts on the leg openings and add pockets if they don't really have them, but yeah, I'm not sure about the fabric quality and if we can ask them to use better fabric (I don't mind paying more for good basic pants)
so if anyone knows/owns anything from F+F please let me know what you think of their fabric quality! thanks
>>8730682
I had those!
They fit great, and the cloth is thick and pretty sturdy.
>>8730730
okay, that's great to know. thanks for your input!
>>8725854
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>>8730682
Same here! I have them in green, very sturdy and durable. Good pair of shorts.
>>8731049
it's part of a tumblr tag dump, take yer meds
>the back of the Boz Andre overblouse
hnngh. i have a need.
>>8726758
>Palace of Princes
Do people actually care about this group outside of them posting resources like shops and brand announcements? I visited their tumblr once and it was just eye-rolling to look at any page on it.
>>8731220
>Do people actually care about this group outside of them posting resources like shops and brand announcements?
no, the anon mentioned them because they are so insignificant that if someone didn't mention them, everyone would forget about them.
>>8731233
Someone sounds mad that an anon doesn't like their blog.
>>8731270
i get tired of bad attitudes quickly. these generals have been a mostly comfy place in the past, and the salt lately has me on edge.
the number of notes a tumblr blog gets is usually a good indicator of whether or not people care about them. so it's easy to tell whether someone cares about the group based on that. you don't have to invent an army of likeminded individuals to express your point.
Excentrique doesn't often come up as a boystyle brand, but they have a mens section ("Homme"). pic related has a shoulder width of 43.4, and their suspender pants have an 84cm waist. they have a decent collection of blouses for sale, in fairly versatile styles and with some more color/pattern options than AatP, Boz, or Moitie's mens shirts.
>tfw military ouji will never make up for having no diplomatic or fighting skills in real life
>tfw stolen valor and stolen privilege define my favorite substyle
>tfw no one wants to duel me at meets, they just want kabedon
why live
>>8733862
id fight you anon
>>8733880
[Duelist Arena music intensifies]
list of shops, from the ouji Facebook group: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j7sg2_7CvXUeIgZGGSLvJ9lUUuSVXhW8FlWWFwiv1Yk/edit?usp=docslist_api
will include in OP from now on!
What kinds of things would you like to receive as a gift? I'm buying for someone into ouji/EGA and I have a month to deliver. I'm not sure on sizing so I was thinking of getting him accessories, like a bag or some jewelry. I usually wear sweet or very feminine classic lolita so I'm a bit uncertain about what looks good with boystyle.
>>8736043
Small crap I would want:
Jabot
Brooches
Rings
Gloves
Nice scarves
Handkerchiefs (extra points if monogrammed)
>>8736056
>Jabot
>Brooches
>Rings
>Nice scarves
ditto! jabots and brooches especially. you can really transform a blouse with a good jabot/brooch combo.
also, collar chains. pic related.
>>8734448
bless
>>8715630
anyone know what this type of shorts is? the name?
>>8726763
Same, anon...
>>8735641
found pic related in the MiDiom store for 12,960 yen. MiDiom is one of Black Peace Now's children, but i have not purchased anything from them yet. still, for those looking for colorful short pants, here you go.
http://midiom-store.com/items/5248e00a8a5610d44700001a
>>8735641
Ouji Facebook group? Is it open and OK to join if I use fb like never?
>>8736840
it is a public group, go for it.
>consider wearing ouji for Thanksgiving
>decide against it, would be way inappropriate
>incorporate quieter ouji elements into my outfit
>different family members remark at different times that i should have worn ouji
>sister says she'll give me a dollar if i change into a coord
well, i know what i'm doing for Christmas.
http://store.lolitacollective.com/collections/wigs?page=1
All Lockshop boystyle wigs in the above link are $30, down from $40. These are part of the infamous Anime Matsuri Wig Crisis of 2015.
Review of Lockshop's Prince wig:
It is very fluffy, and has a feminizing effect. If you are going for a bishounen look, it might be a good choice. If not, I would not recommend this wig.
The wig fibers are soft and I have not had a problem with them tangling. However, as a novice styler, I feel out of my league. Compared to the stock image, the length is more uniform around the wig, without a defined bang area, and the wig in general tends to fluff out at the sides. I think I will need to trim mine significantly to get it to lay the way I want.
It may be worth the sale going on today, especially if you are not a novice styler. The fibers are very nice and the color is gorgeous. For those reasons, I wish it worked better for me, but the wig's fluffiness is a serious matter to contend with.
I have a problem: My hair is long and thin and I have sensitive scalp. I would use wigs but my head starts hurting easily. Does someone know good hairstyles for me that would fit ouji or should I just buy lots of hats to hide my hair?
Does AatP (or any other brand) ever release ouji lucky/happy packs?
>>8739502
Aatp did for newyears. Moitie recently did a luckypack. I feel like boz does but then is hard to get.
>Finally found few secondhand (I'm poor) sites that shop over-seas, no shipping services required.
>They mostly have sections like: Lolita, Punk and Other?
How do I find ouji in all that mess so I won't look like punk-prince-of-the-hood? Also why can't I find any shirts that would go under coat or vest?
>>8739512
>punk-prince-of-the-hood
Even thought that'd be kind of cool, unless that's nouji. I just can't find stuff that looks more basic for a beginner to start off my own wardrobe.
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Maybe it's just bad time of the year most of stuff that isn't dresses are coats.
>>8739512
it depends on your style. look at all categories and check for specific brands. i wear gothic, so i hardly ever find anything in the lolita categories, but i still check in case i luck out.
why don't you think there are any shirts that can go under a vest or coat? i have found so many things i cannot afford right now on secondhand sites, so it is difficult to imagine not finding anything.
>>8739445
what do you think about the hairstyles posted upthread?
for thin hair, look for styles that create the illusion of volume. this usually means short along the back and sides and layered on top. if you keep longer sections, you have more styling options as well. if you get highlights that will also help add to the illusion of volume.
however, since you may want to keep the length, i will post some long haired boystyle coords.
>>8739621
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>>8739624
>>8739625
layers in the front with a longer back seems to be a popular style. you could then pull the longer part into a ponytail while having hair left to frame your face.
>>8739628
like so
>>8739630
>>8739631
technotropism's hair is quite thick, but a braid can work with thin hair, i think.
>>8739632
finally, another example of a longer ponytail with shorter sections framing the face.
>>8739445
Akira's a look model to look at for longer hair styles as well. She's a boystyle model (in different styles), whose trademark look is short and choppy at the front, with longer hair at the back.
>>8739643
example: a 22,000-yen coord in ladies' sizing from usagiyouhinten alone. it is a bit goofy with the winged minihat and leather-looking bow tie, and a lot of people cringe when navy and black are combined, but this is a random quick example using one of the less boystyle-friendly secondhand sites.
>>8739677
this one is more costly but also more cohesive. maidenclothing has a Cock Robin AatP set in navy: matching ladies size vest and shorts, with unisex tie. the blouse is also AatP and is off-white to match the print (but it is men's size). you can remove the navy bow to use the Cock Robin tie instead.
the Black Peace Now birdcage necklace goes loosely with the nursery rhyme theme.
>>8739868
wrong image but it can stay so you see the full pants/vest set. the stuff in this collage totals to about 28,000 yen.
>>8739868
seems like a cool idea. still a bit pricey, but i'm cheap enough to allow for infinite patience.
i just found some boz and moitie blouses for 40 bucks but the shoulders for every goddamn blouse i find is 36cm, and my shoulders are 42cm. i'm getting called out for my poor blouse-game and it sucks, the only thing i've bought so far that fits is ozz on. besides my shoulders i have the measurements of a 12 year old girl, it sucks to have to go up in size everywhere else just for wider shoulders.
the canadian dollar is in the gutter right now too, so even $60 usd for a blouse costs me $78 + shipping from the US is pretty expensive and you can be charged 40% at customs. I was really excited about finding those two blouses man god damn.
There's a lot of artisto/ouji coats and jackets on CC right now.
>>8739871
Not OP, but I'd like to see you do a 2nd hand pirate coord.
some folk propose male aristo discussion migrate to the femme aristo thread to make a combined aristo general. what do you think?
http://strawpoll.me/6136158
my opinion is that i like how /ouG/ has been, since boystyle lolita (aka ouji) and boystyle aristocrat (aka male aristo) have similar issues as far as shopping, styling, accessorizing, and sizing, especially with the higher percentage of male boystylers in this gen. but what does the community think?
>>8740681
not a coord, but some quick links:
>maidenclothing
Excentrique military shirt, over 8,000 yen, probably out of your budget. 42cm shoulders, could work on its own or under a coat.
http://www.maidenclothing.net/s/search/detail.php?id=154058941001
BPN for Men simple white shirt with pointed collar and strap embellishment. 1,620 yen, 44cm shoulders. perfect for layering with coats, jackets, vests, etc. it's nothing fancy, but the pointed collar is a gothic touch you will not find in an average dress shirt. http://www.maidenclothing.net/s/search/detail.php?id=154050521001
>closetchild
BPN for Men high-collar white shirt. looks like the type of collar you can keep buttoned up high, or unbutton and fold to have more typical lapels. 1,800 yen, 44cm shoulders. might be a weird fabric. http://www.closetchildonlineshop.com/phone/product/88644
>wunderwelt
BPN for Men black asymmetrical blouse. over 5,000 yen so possibly over your budget, but nicer than the other two BPN blouses. 45cm shoulders and unique details. pic related. http://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/detail5519.html
if you make an account with FromJapan, you can broaden your shop lists by using them as a shopping service. they offer package markdowns and can hold your items up to a month for free, so if you get something out of your budget you have a month to save for shipping/customs. i think most of my stuff has come from ClosetChild stalking (good boystyle vanishes fast) or yahoo auctions. you can get great deals with auctions, so a shopping service can be worth it.
>>8740963
will get on this, any special restrictions?
Anyone have tips for easing into ouji style? I've lurked around comms for years but have been worried boystyle, particularly the less aristo boystyles, will look ridic on me. My current dressy style is more steampunk/neo-Victorian but a lot of that is boring as fuck unless you want to glue gears on everything (then it's ugly and boring)
Probably going to do handmade or maybe custom, I've never seen a Japanese brand with sizes I won't Hulk out of (and only a few taobao brands)
>>8741294
first, dress for your body type. if what you're wearing fits and flatters you, you can get away with a lot.
second, look to historic fashion for your inspiration. a lot of ouji calls back go Rococo fashion, so focus on that rather than the schoolboy look. "Grabdpa Adel" from Life's Sweet Essentials pulls this off well, and his age actually adds to his princely look.
historically, princes have come in all shapes, sizes, and ages. the kawaii shota look may not look good on you, but something akin to pic related could. to keep from just looking like a historic fashion reenactor, add flair with matching brand (major or indie) accessories, like jabots, bow ties, and jewelry. also look for printed legwear you won't stretch out; short, fitted breeches with eye-catching socks and dapper boots are very ouji.
>>8741308
Thanks! I'll do some poking around and see what there is for accessories that aren't too shota
(pic related - it's more true-baroque with a slight fantasy twist but I was pretty happy with how it turned out)
>>8741600
that looks pretty cool. it's not ouji--could use more matching, and a more modern fit/fabric, for example--but you seem to be starting from a decent background.
look for accessories made by brands like Excentrique (jabots, berets, brooches) and VooDoooDolly (US-based quality jewelry/accessories with a dark twist, pic related). i think they could fit the more mature rococo/history-influenced side of ouji. also be on the lookout for rossettes and sashes; some Etsy folk handmake them, as do indie designers like Mossbadger (rosettes anyway), and some lolita brands release them as well.
finally, for inspo, check out hominidwatching on tumblr. he is one of the boystylers who gets posted a lot and he wears more historic-inspired fashion than straight up jfash.
>>8741272
Hmmm... Well I'm pretty tiny, so anything men's size probably won't fit me. And I'm not crazy about mini hats or plaid. Otherwise I'm open to anything!
First shot at a boystyle coord. Normally I'm a sweet-classic style lolita but it's fun to change things up once in a while.
Concrit/suggestions would be much appreciated!
>>8741636
Oh, def not ouji, just one of the closer things I've done (though now I'm wondering if that coat is remotely coord-able - it has many hours of my life in it, and the fit is more flattering when it doesn't have a billion layers under it)
hominidwatching seems to have abandoned his tumblr and deleted fashion stuff sadly :( though I found some shots on his SO's tumblr. I may go hunting for some more ouji inspo tumblrs though.
>>8742435
this looks like a coord from coordisnap/codenote! i think it looks good. what's up with the layers under the waistcoat? the clashing patterns give it a punky look that you could bring out elsewhere.
>>8742808
Oh I'm glad you think so!
The layers are a modified ruffly skirt lol (it's an atternating pattern of small polka dots and stripes of tiny embroidered flowers).
I definitely wouldn't mind giving a few more punk elements, though I'm kinda unsure on how to do that. You think possibly a change in shoes and a few more accessories would do that trick? Personally just want to avoid making it look too cluttered haha.
sorry anons looking for feedback, i will return, but first: results of my research into the origins of the neologism kodona.
the issue is a dead horse by now but for anyone interested in history, i want to share to discussions on EGL about it, from 2005. they both boil down to an OP asking: "My Japanese lolita friend has no idea what 'kodona' means, and I can't find it on Japanese websites. What gives?" followed by various comments about how ouji is the correct term (though one Japanese lolita friend says no one calls it anything because it's rare), but fans of Plastic Tree started using it because it seemed to fit and was easier to pronounce than oujikei/oujisama.
this discussion specifically pinpoints the origin of the term to a mailing list circa 2002: http://egl.livejournal.com/2370169.html#comments, which is backed up by this older discussion: http://egl.livejournal.com/1285136.html#comments
the second discussion involves an OP with a Japanese lolita friend, the one who (in the comments) claims the style has no name (despite magazines and brands using "ouji"; make of her claim what you will): http://egl.livejournal.com/2006654.html#comments
apparently it is a horse that has been dead at least 11 years, but it persists in style guides, tags, comm names, etc., sparking explanations and debate. since the true origins of the term "lolita" are unknown and controversial, i am glad to find more solid records of our own terms.
kind of hope the use of "kodona" is phased out completely so the international community can match the categories released by brands and fashion mags. but at least we're not faggots, as the style seems known in China.
>>8717120
There's been a few people dabbling in ouji in my comm but no regular boystylers, alas.
>>8723695
Jeez I want these stupid pants more than anything but now they're gone. Anyone know of other places to find Milk clothing?
>mfw looking at my ILD coord options
CASUAL OUJI
45CM SHOULDERS
3,800 YEN
NO SHOPPING SERVICE NEEDED
http://www.closetchildonlineshop.com/product/89649
anons, my brothers and sisters, someone buy this that i may live vicariously through you
>>8747158
they don't match
sorry anon
>>8741249
Based, sorry for late reply. I might get that asymmetrical blouse, if not I'll for sure get the the cool collared one next time I order of CC, which will hopefully be soon. I keep seeing dream-pieces sold out on closetchild ($200 granny smith vest, $200 thaddeus) and just found out they put a lot of their stuff up on auction sites first, so I'm going to try to pick through those next round.
I've been keeping an eye out for pieces to pioneer 'erouji' without just being nouji, but it's hard to find blouses like this that fit. Hopefully I manage to get my hands on one of these vests before I'm 30 and can't look like a schoolboy anymore.
>>8747189
>pioneer
it's been done many times
usually not well. stray too far and you're out of ouji and into goth or visual kei or just clusterfuck.
>a schoolboy
come on, i just ate.
pic related: shitty ageplay "ero kodona." be fucking careful, anon.
>>8747189
>erouji
>>8747267
>erOHNOuji
in my opinion, pic related could be considered decent ero ouji. the deep/romantic neckline and ZR legwear give the outfit an erotic feel while maintaining class.
>>8747275
I feel like knee garters would work for ero ouji. Man, now I want to try it.
>>8747264
But.. done well?
>schoolboy
Christ I don't mean ageplay, I just meant youthful in general. I meant my ability to look 16-20 is going to get worse the thicker and greyer my beard comes in.
>>8747267
These are.. poor examples. I guess you can go the shota route but.. it's in poor taste. I'd basically be taking a shot at 'sexy vampire prince' and trying to make it ouji enough to stay away from aristo and vkei.
>>8747275
This is closer to what I was thinking, I would just experiment with how 'ero' it could go without looking terrible. I'm confident I could pull it off, or at least cause a large argument about whether or not I pulled it off.. it's just a matter of finding suitable pieces.
>>8747359
i apologize for my lack of faith in you, anon. godspeed.
>>8747291
Like sock garters? They've been done in regular ouji, so I don't see why not
Reposting since I figure it'd be better to say. But would this shoe be any good in a gold colored coord? Not sure if the shoe would be anything ouji.
>>8748909
I own these shoes in this color. They are great (they run a little big) haven't used them in ouji yet though
>>8748909
Where did you get them?
>>8742056
went a little crazy. about 45,000 yen pirate coord off of Alice Fururun. ditch the hat and shoes and necklace and it drops to around 20,500. i do not know why this giant fluffy hat with its giant feather is worth 10,000 yen, but it commands my attention and insists it is pirate-like.
>>8751590
what did you think of the styles posted?
>pic unrelated
found a forum for Japanese oujis and lolitas to meet one another: http://mixi.jp/view_community.pl?id=4157551
>pic also unrelated
new ouji coat with a print:
http://m.intl.taobao.com/detail/detail.html?spm=0.0.0.0&id=524824009701
>>8713676
>tfw you'll never age as well as Hyde
why even live?
>>8752860
shinya's not looking so bad himself.
i like that although the rest of diru is finished with the visual stuff, shinya still goes around being creepy and pretty.
>tfw you will never model for h. Naoto as an ageless middle-aged rock star
>>8752876
don't count me out yet
>>8752748
I thought I'd like the red most, but the green and blue are really nice. Shame there aren't any good pictures of it in brown.
>>8750042
I think I have the matching shorts to that vest, they don't go with anything else I own..
is AatP discontinuing their men's size? many of their recent boystyle releases have been single-sized, and smaller than their usual men's. pic related.
>>8726617
dang that's one classy dude
>>8753417
totentanzdandy is good inspo for boystyle that flatters the male form, imo.
found a Japanese crossdresser (possibly transman?) whose outfits range from classy to cartoony. her knowledge of classy menswear informs her ouji in a good way and reminds me how helpful it is to learn to dress well in normal clothes. also great thinspo, ouji really looks best on slim people.
pic very related.
>>8753276
Not bothered. The trim on that jacket looks cheap af.
this scan splits sweet ouji ("Sweet çå") from "Schoolboy" style.
>>8753439
Half of the outfits aren't even boystyle though. Just a little oldfashioned menswear. Which I agree is very flattering but that's because it's "proper clothing".
>>8753986
half of which outfits? both persons mentioned/posted do a range of fashion, from super-frilly ouji to nice contemporary menswear. my theory is that those who learn how to look great in regular menswear carry those skills over to boystyle.
i also think, especially for adult men who are too big for brand, mixing ouji with modern nice suit elements could be more flattering than full-on burando. i think folks like totentanz/Japanese-person-whose-name-I-already-forgot can be good inspo in that regard.
especially when just starting out on a tight budget.
>>8752964
Anon, i know it's a different but h.Naoto released a version of the vest with stripes
Does anybody have a list of brands that do lucky packs? I know MmM and Putumayo have lucky packs but what other brands do?
>>8754570
Boz has one right now, and one of the mens is not sold out yet: http://www.boz.ne.jp/product/detail/BZM0000_2016.html
i think you need an SS for Boz though.
>>8754585
Yup, a shopping service is needed for Boz.
I was going to link a friend who is just getting interested in Ouji to buttcape's blog, but it looks like all the posts are gone. Anybody know what's up?
>>8755064
that is worrying. i have no idea.
>>8755064
looks like buttcape is disappearing from the internet or something. google ouji 101 and use neogrotesk's post and the dandy handbook for now. i've also had success in the past going to my favourite ouji (bakasoseji RIP) tumblr page and checking the FAQ, which has included where they buy stuff and preferred brands.
>>8755197
>looks like buttcape is disappearing from the internet or something.
i hope this is not true. she is my favorite ouji and had so much info important to the community on her blog. could it be a hosting issue? i am not familiar with how blogspot operates.
>new AatP boystyle release
>vest and pants have a print
>tiny lady size only
guess they're done with men's sizes. that's fine, i'm not keen on their designs anyway.
>tfw AatP and Buttcape are both giving up on you
>>8755217
>ridiculous looking collar
into the trash it goes
>>8755199
her tumblr also has a password on it now, so it looks like she's shutting down social media stuff, idunno.
