Girls Channel is a female orientated anonymous forum, where girls can discuss various topics. J-fashion pops up a lot, so I thought it'd be fun to translate a few of these /cgl/ related topics.
A thread discussing a TV show which showed popular Harajuku girl "Peco"'s bedroom. She has spawned a popular fashion called "Peco-girl" which is based on American fashion.
>Another weird XX-girl has appeared. (+494 -29)
>Woah, she's fat lololol (+766 -76)
>huh, what is this?(´･_･`) (+151 -33)
> If a cute girl did it, it'd be fine. /If/ it was a cute girl. (+1042 -14)
>>8707012
I been waiting for this thread! Can't wait to read how other jfashion girls see the fashion and stuff
>>8707017
(note that users can upvote and downvote posts. the (+XX -XX) is that particular comments rating.
>I watched it but... She seriously isn't cute. Sorry. (+450 -30)
>Her face isn't cute at all (+473 -27)
>Doesn't suit her at all! (+221 -28)
>This girl is gross!! (+216 -39)
>I thought Peco-Girl looked like this Peco-chan. (+725 -13)
(see pic related)
>Her room is cute but a fatty is a fatty. (+182 -25)
>>8707026
Yep. A real fatty /s
Thread: This site introducing lolita fashion to foreigners is horrible lolol
(I couldn't find the site they were talking about, the link seemed to be dead)
"model" lolol (+70 -7)
The (model) choices are bad, right lolol (+124 -11)
The models are a bit horrible (+147 -5)
The shame of Japan. (+70 -13)
>>8707017
What is Peco-girl like? How is it inspired by american fashion?
>Are these kind of faces popular with foreigners? lol (+3 -117)
>The rate of chubby girls is hiiiiiigh lol lol (+57 -6)
>This is hideous (+129 -10)
See pic related
>These clothes are expensive, right? (+54 -2)
Since my Japanese isn't amazing, here's the thread if anyone wants to look.
>http://girlschannel.net/topics/3604/
>36: I want to swap them with this girl right now!!!! (+175 -33)
(see pic related)
>37: >>36 gross. (+48 -97)
>44: >>36 this girl please. (They added a pic of Momoko from Kamikaze Girls) (+197 -19)
>There are so many cute girls, why did they pick those... (+31 -3)
>Loli-ita fashion huh. (+23 -4)
Is there a gyaru thread on there? I was searching but still not getting into it.
>>8707066
I haven't looked for gyaru yet, but I found one mentioning Larme. I'll post some stuff from it.
>>8707070
Thank you! I'll also go on browsing...but I'm a little busy so it'll take a while
>>8707059
isn't this kyary?
>>8707074
Yep, it's Kyary.
>>8707072
I found a kuro gyaru thread! The comments are pretty nasty though. I'll post it now.
The OP posted some pictures of Gyaru units, and mentioned how some have up to 70 members.
>Scary (+98 -5)
>It looks kinda dirty. (+244 -11)
>They're young so it can't be helped (shouganai). (+280 -5)
>They're all fatties. (+121 -9)
>You only live once, so you should let them do what they like... lol (+271 -5)
>Dirty gyaru (+68 -8)
>On the Tiara pic, can't you see that girls underpants? (+70 -4)
>They all look downwards when they take pictures. Why? (+211 -3)
>Doesn't the far right girl on the Tiara pic have a child? I don't want this kind of mother lolol (+119 -6)
pic related
>You don't all have to wear the same thing you know (+69 -3)
>Monste-- I mean, it's a unique group! (+14 -2)
>The lower right girl doesn't really fit in lmao
pic related
>>8707109
Can you link the thread please? It sounds interesting
>>8707122
http://girlschannel.net/topics/513489/
Another gyaru thread:
Original young gals! Thin eyebrows, Amura style platform boots, Embarrasing ^^;; Let's talk about our youth!
>Only loose socks were allowed (+574 -11)
>Alba, Me Jane, Tiara (+442 -6)
>Always taking pictures with a disposable camera, graffiting on them with Posca (+690 -4)
>Sock glue was very important!! (+590 -2)
>Is this generation heading into their late 30s? (+447 -29)
>>8707063
I think these people are worse than the western community. These chicks better be actual skeletons, the way they're throwing around the word fat lol
>>8707126
>>8707032
Truth be told, we'll at least tell people to calm down when anons go crazy with "shes so fat lol". This is downright ridiculous.
>>8707123
Thank you! Haha they're all pretty rude. I went through some other gyaru related threads too. Wanna show this to the gaijin comm, because Japanese gya are all so nice, sweet and perfect
>>8707123
>In pictures, I'd always use the パー and Egg poses... brings back memories! (+393 -5)
pic related, パー pose lol
>I had no eyebrows, it's Amuro-chan's fault lol. Now that I think about it, my skirt length was weird, You could see my underpants just by squatting slightly. (+345 -4)
>Choberiba~~ (+166 -7)
>In summer I wore an Alba OP, a Hibiscus flower in my hair, and carried a wicker bag. (+292 -4)
>My phone bill was stupidly high! (+238 -7)
>Hibiscus (+155 -2)
>My skirt was 30cm long. And how skinny!! (+144 -3)
This whole thread is a goldmine haha
>>8707126
For real though, a lot the stuff being said here is petty as shit. Not even /cgl/ is this ridiculously petty unless you're posted in the ita thread and maybe then somebody will point out an unfortunate looking face. I'd really like to know what a lot the people who make these comments look like.
>>8707135
western piggu
>>8707144
> Not even /cgl/ is this ridiculously petty
only because of current moderation. that's literally the only reason. Pre-jaitornazi cgl was just as bad (and worse!) than any of these threads from girlschan
>>8707148
>american
>black
>huge glasses
>slightly oversized thighs
>don't bother to shave my arms most of the time
You're right, I'd hate to see what they'd think of me.
I found a version of the original Gyaru thread, but it's for original Harajuku kei wearers. Anyone interested?
>>8707149
Looks like I'll have to take a fun trip through the archives. I've never really understood people who go out of their way to point out somebody's physical flaws, especially when the people who do it aren't exactly supermodel gorgeous themselves.
>>8707159
Yes. Immensely so.
>>8707155
what, do people actually have their arms? I have a lot of arm hair, and it's long, but at least it's light and fine haha
anything about larme?
>>8707165
my sister does all the time, its ridiculous
who the heck wants spikey arm stubble?
>>8707168
I shaved my arms once as a self-conscious preteen but the arm stubble made me stop. I'd rather have soft, fine hairs than pokey ones that itch when I touch them.
>>8707164
Ooooh, in an imaturely petty way I sort of want them to. I also want to roast them back. Imagine an active roast war starting.
>>8707164
I need to find the link, there was one where they were talking about a video of Kota. Lots of "fat!" "ugly!" "stupid!" "delusional!" kind of stuff
Any lolita threads?
>>8707149
Not really true
It wasn't this bad to normies
Maybe to specific infamous ones
I found their kanji version of our Engrish threads.
http://girlschannel.net/topics/35452/
>>8707171
Maybe this thread will draw their attention. Doubtful though.
>>8707177
this is briliant
Because there was a topic for the original gals, I'm piggybacking lol. Pattsun bangs, colourful clothing, it's a bit embarrasing now. Those of us who wore the original Harajuku kei, let's talk!
>My clothes were too colourful (+78 -0)
>My favourite magazine was Zipper lol. Because I went to a school of art, everyone was in Harajuki kei. Individual (+201 -3)
>Shinora brings back memories! I wore my bangs on my eyebrows and jingling bracelets. (+106 -3)
>I read stuff like Cutie, Zipper. I thought Tsuchiya Anna was an angel lol (+123 -3)
>Ha~i! I was a lolita. I had pattsun bangs and wore super frilly stuff. The pictures from those days have been sealed away... (+56 -1)
Seems like they all admired Shinohara Tomoe. This song is actually really catchy haha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdftvX36yfk
I found some foreigners posted in a yumekawaii thread. Is that peachy and someone else? I'm not a lolita so I don't know.
http://girlschannel.net/comment/360877/25/
>>8707171
*immaturely
>>8707170
Same I used to do it a lot and finally I realized how much of a waste of time it was and how much nobody really cared. I still know a lot of women who do it tho. Whatever floats your boat I guess.
>>8707180
>I loved Jun-chan from GOLLBETTY. When she did her hair purple I was so shocked! I wanted to become Jun-chan lol
I went to a lot of GOLLBETTY live shows too. Nostalgic! That's my whole youth!
>Buffalo platform sneakers (¯ ▽ ¯) I was a GLAY fan lol
>It's Kyary now, but at the time everyone listened to Aiko. lolol
>>8707186
It's Peachie and her friend Chi, I think.
>>8707164
I found a thread of them completely roasting Himezawa when she did a cosplay. I'll translate some of it now
>should I add a name just so you know I'm OP?
>>8707012
http://girlschannel.net/topics/427603/
They mostly like Muslim Lolitas, I think. (I'm using Google Translate though, so there's a huge chance I'm wrong.)
>>8707197
>roasting Himezawa
I can't wait.
Also yes you should, it could be something as simple as Translator Anon or something like that
""My dream is to be a Japanese idol!" German Girl Yearns to be the Next Mayuyu"
>Drooping nose (+52 -21)
>She lost to Hashimoto Kanna (+171 -35)
>Her style is okay and her skin is white but... her face is ugly (+209 -41)
>Her eyes are like a camels... (+44 -19)
>>8707214
>Her eyes are like a camels
Oh my god
>>8707214
>Her eyes are like a camels...
FUCKING
>>8707214
>Her face is like "dankeshen!" (+42 -7)
>A picturesque foreigner-san's nose. (+24 -3)
>W...White (･∀･;) (+25 -1)
>Japan's "Kawaii" culture is something unique to Japanese people. Once Britney Spears tried to emulate Gyaru, that didn't go well. (+41 -2)
>Where is she cute?? Is it because she's a gaijin? Because she's white? Are you going to defend that she's cute? Stop looking through rose-tinted glasses, shes's average to ugly looking. (+10 -11)
>white privilege 白人特権
OP, it's good to remember that actual lolitas usually stay more into anonymous textboards like 2ch. Or they have their own fc2 blogs (their "equivalent" of tumblr, albeit more web 1.0 ish) Translating threads from there would be much more accurate. For example: http://new02.bbs.2ch2.net/test/read.cgi/visualtanuki/1441423445/l50
>>8707223
Yeah, I can't really find any recent lolita boards so I'm just going with GC, since it's the general public. I'll check your link out!
>>8707221
>white privilege
YOU WHAT
>>8707012
Tbh I bet it's 80% guys
>>8707223
what boards do lolitas on 2ch frequent? i've been on there a few times but no boards seem to be super lolita.
Also i'm another anon with semi-passable japanese. If GC Translator Anon-chan wouldn't mind I wouldn't mind helping translating a few things to give us a wider array of posts to view
>>8707229
Men aren't this nitpicky.
>>8707241
not this again
the thread where this very argument is already happening is likely still up
>>8707214
Kek Himezawa is such a laughingstock
>>8707149
I thought it was, too. I first learned about lolita around 2008 and was afraid to get into it because any average/ not extremely thin girl would get called fat/ obese/ pig. All these people thinking cgl used to be nicer might be talking about much more recently
http://itest.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/zassi/1442972113/
I found a 2ch thread on Larme magazine but it seems to be mostly talk about Akb members modeling for it.
These girls are much more worst than us. Half of these girls don't look bad and the hate comments are petty
>>8707230
I'd like to help, too!
>>8707252
http://girlsvip-matome.com/acv/1030482617.html
Other site thread on Larme and model Tsubasa. Someone calls her on old hag too old for Larme haha.
>>8707109
>They all look downwards when they take pictures. Why?
Wondering that myself. Hide their identities?
>>8707291
Too busy reading text messages`
>>8707032
Aw but peco and her bf are so cute...
>>8707203
>3. I think it's good to be fashionable while being religious! I understand why girls her age want to be cute! (+1540 -14)
>4. Pikman-like (+53 -126)
>5. Yep, I think it's good! (+1018 -13)
I can keep going on if you'd like?
>>8707230
Go ahead! I'm off to bed now, so feel free to carry on.
>>8707300
Thank you very much! I'm very glad you led me to this website actually~
>>8707291
I think it started that way but it turned into posing that way because other people in the fashion were posing that way. I do remember a post from a couple years ago where a photographer mentioned that when he asked a girl why she posed that way it was because it was trendy/other people were doing it/etc.
>>8707313
http://rokkugyaru.tumblr.com/post/118636965531/i-have-a-gyaru-question
>>8707063
And you had to bring her up again, why? Please find something else to obsess over.
>>8707298
>7. I'm glad people overseas like japanese fashion! (+749 -5)
>13. Look how colourful and fashionable the scarf Indonesian Muslim women are using is getting, I think I'm jealous (+640 -1)
>14. It's good, it's good. I like that girls being cute is global. (+577 -1)
>18. Now, I would feel hot in the summer haha.
>But, why not (+119 -2)
>22. It might be good for them. A fundamental of lolita is not skin (+412 -1)
>23. It might be hard for people like this to enjoy the fashion (+127 -6)
>>8707266
>>8707327
You too. Fucking stop it please, it's off topic.
This may be a bunch of faceless ruthless comments but the western lolita community is closely knit and systemized when it comes to hate. We have places specifically for hate like gtfo egl, btb, ita threads, so on. These are just anonymous people speaking ther opinion because they can. And it's not the same at all.
But this thread is so interesting! Thanks translating anons.
>>8707339
>24. She (first pic) reminds me of (card) (+554 -14)
>27. It suits their features more than the Japanese. It's like a cute fairy tale! (+285 -7)
>>8707180
Pic related looks like a character from tekkonkinkreet
>>8707421
She's a popstar from the late 90s, early 2000s. She started young and sang in a really manic, wild style and wore decora all the time. She recently played Jiji in the Jellyfish Princess/Kuragehime live action movie (I think?).
>>8707026
She's got a double chin.
>>8707221
>white privledge
w-what
>>8707496
Western society white people are catching up to long held sentiments.
>>8707032
Are they saying shes fat bc she got a puffy face or overall? They are just like us and calling every girl ugly and/or fat whether she is or not. Aw. No but holy shit if this is considered fat this is getting out of hand and this shit is full of ana chans or insecure nip girls.
Ok first of all i love this thread and i love our translator anon-san
also holy shit the pettyness is high, the word "fat" used so much for litterally no reason. i wonder if these girls are ana chans,secret fatties,insecure or just really bitchy?
It's cute to see some of them actually enjoy seeing foreigners wearing it and stuff like that. From all the japanese threads i saw i kept seeing super bitches and got kinda scared there. Warmed my heart a little to see they are like us. Full of petty salty bitter bitches but with a little share of sweetness
And lastly holy hell i wanna see them roasting Yukapon or Venus or something. Back to their old self or/and now.
>>8707090
girl with black cap is seriously cute af
mad props to the translator anons, thank you for the thread.
>Ermagerd Japanese people are human beings
The thread.
wow, women are bitchy everywhere NEWS AT 11!
I CANT TELL WHETHER YOU ARE ALL LACKING LIFE EXPERIENCE OR SO BLINDED BY YOUR WEEABOO RETARDAtion THAT YOU ACTUALLY THOUGHt Japanese women are actual anime characters up until now or some shit.
Talk about a bunch of hypocrites; OMG THEY ARE SO MUCH WORSE THAN US GUISE!
are you that deluded or are you all newfags?
>>8707794
Sweet b8 my friend
>>8707298
What do they mean, 'pikman-like'?
>>8707264
>too old
but she looks quite youthful and the style suits her well. No hope.
>>8707814
As in, looks like a Pikman?
>>8707814
I think they mean the shape of their heads in the scarves remind them of Pikmin heads.
>>8707820
Oh, Pikmin! I had no idea it was that popular. I kind of see it!
>>8707012
Anyone ever wonder if people from these boards (Girls Channel/2ch/etc) come over to 4chan and translate what we say?
>>8707794
b8 or not, humans gonna human, true shit anon.
Anyway, I still like to hear what Japanese fashion followers are saying in general though, it's kinda interesting and makes a bit of a change from the usual threads here.
>>8707828
once in a blue moon perhaps but more likely give no shits. If anything they seem to discourage posts from foreigners on their actual forums etc.
>>8707221
Man, I had know idea 白人特権 was a term in Japanese. Does anyone know if this is something that's widely understood at all?
>>8707819
I think it's just that since we all know how old she actually is, it can get in the way of people just accepting it as a a nice photo. Aka people are salty that Tsubasa is a wizard about aging.
>>8707836
I've heard before that they will make fun of anybody who types like a foreigner or says that they're one. Is the reason why they do this because they just don't like baka gaijin's or something?
>>8707480
To be fair, it seems like a lot of Japanese girls do, simply because they have weak chins. It's annoying but you can't do much about it apart from minimizing the attention drawn to your chin.
>>8707012
Thank you translation anons!
The website minuskakugo actually translates 2ch and Girls Channel articles frequently too. Nothing cgl related currently.. hah.
From a thread called something along the lines of "Lolita fashion idol Marie Suzuki (35 years old) is amazing..."
>6. She doesn't look 35! (+148 -12)
>8. This hurts!
>It's impossible to be an idol at 35 (T^T) (+92 -8)
There are many comments asking "W-who!?"
Also many comparisons to other people of various ages. One anon joking she looks like a 9 year old.
>22. I wish I had the courage
>Even in ordinary clothes she would be cute
>She must be so happy (+51 -5)
>24. She's not 35!
>Too young!! (+17 -27)
>26. Probably ugly in normal clothes (+19 -7)
>38. Sorry
>A 35 year-old lolita hurts...
>Be subtle
Should I continue this thread?
At least in Asia, anything higher than a size 2 is fat
>>8707881
Please do! It's really interesting. Is there any info on upcoming trends?
>>8707881
Yes, absolutely! This is all really fascinating to me.
Under suggested Harajuku tips
>carefully avoid the blacks
>>8707136
we don't think that lol. atleast i don't.
>>8707032
damn, well, if this is fat, I'm one morbidly obese mofo.
>>8707885
I haven't seen anything on upcoming trends really
>41. After this I'm afraid there will be more imitators................ (+1 -9)
>43. Misunderstood hag (+8 -10)
>45. (I can't criticize her, I want to do the same someday...)
>46. Ugly
>Gross (+7 -12)
>52. She wants a spectacle
>57. 51 Year old Matsuda Seiko (Pic Related) (+17 -2)
(Seiko-chan was referenced earlier as being a record breaking idol)
I'm off to bed too but this was fun. I'll continue tomorrow.
>>8707887
lmao I wonder if this was dakota self posting
>>8707160
We were more drama llama than calling girls ugly and stuff. Like, talking shit about our drama cows.
>>8707881
as i get older those comments hurt more and more
I appreciate this thread as it reminds me that while PC culture can be shitty at least better than being in a culture with stupid high beauty standards and your boyfriend/husband would be literally apalled if they saw you out of makeup.
>>8707881
These translations are great. Go on!
Any threads on kooters and Yukapon?
>>8707926
I doubt it, she would post something more flattering and shooped.
>>8707259
Maybe you're just white and have no standards for asians.
I wonder what they think about Maki and Asuka or even Misako..?
But wow some of them sound insecure for throwing the word ugly and fat so lightly. It's like the gulls here before the dramaban. I wonder how most of them look tho...
>>8708518
They are probably mostly ugly monsters themselves.
>>8708518
It's because in glorious nippon you judge people by their looks aka fat, ugly, etc (mostly)
>>8707095
Why are they all staring at the ground???
enjoyed this thread thoroughly! i wish i could read japanese, i appreciate a salty site like this
>>8707037
This is what they are referring to. http://totallycoolpix.com/magazine/2011/03/lolita-fashion-in-japan
From a thread called "Mother: My Daughter's teacher wore gothic lolita. I can't forgive this!"
OP begins by asking "I have a question for parents with children. If you saw your child's teacher wearing something unexpected how would you feel?
OP links to an article in which a mother is distraught about her daughter's teacher wearing lolita.
>3. To the mother: I find it disturbing when you bring up private things....(+92 -6)
>9. I wonder if a miniskirt would be better
>Seems like "Tempting boys means you're not a teacher!"
>12. This parent's too hurt, the teacher's private life is lolita. This is a helicopter parent on steroids (+31 -4)
>15. I pity this child's home life (+44 -6)
>>8708678
i kind of want an english format of this site. its a neat splice between what looks like reddit (voting for comments) and 4chan (board/posting style)
someone hop to it
>>8708799
>voting for comments
this is the worst thing about reddit. why would you actually want it?
oh right, you're probably a lolita who measures her worth by likes/notes. carry on.
>>8708816
calm down holy shit
>>8707042
I think it takes cutesy elements of American pop culture like barbie and Minnie mouse and gives it a twist? It reminds me of a cross between neo gal or neo lolita and fairy-kei in a way.
If you're familiar with the shop called bubbles then its a lot like that.
>>8707017
Anon could you please link the video to the room tour? I really want to see it, it looks cute!
>>8708833
>someone has an opinion different from my own
>they must be truly upset
anon
I find it rather sad they call everyone fat when they clearly aren't
Japanese standards are fucked up
>>8708857
If you are over 5'5" and 68kg you are considered huge/fat. That is just the norm in their society.
>>8708864
Well that's considered a bit fat in my country too but some of these aren't even that much. Just chubby cheeks etc.
>>8708857
Nah most of them are bitches with fucked up standards or secret fatties. Also if you have a puffy face you are fat. They better be fucking skelettons to call this girl fat though.
I kinda want them to roast us and then we would roast back and there would be some glorious roast war drama
>>8708874
Eh I think these guys would go rather easy on us considering we're white and they seem to have a bias. It's kind of funny, Western people always mock other Westerners for not being fit for cosplay or J-fashion because they're not Japanese and these people seem to have the opposite reaction. Grass is always greener on the side I guess.
>>8708882
Not sure how you got that impression at all from what's been posted? They praised the muslim girls but the whitey got trashed pretty hard.
>>8708816
no, but that's what girlschan seems to have. the posts aren't ranked according to number of votes, but the comments are still agreed with/voted on. i don't see the issue with that.
>>8708864
That's legit chubby though. I doubt any of these girls weigh that much.
I found this older thread about the JLA holding a tea party in Taiwan, my Japanese is not that great but I'll try to translate some of it.
>http://girlschannel.net/topics/16224/
>2. What's the Japanese Lolita Association, lol (+35 -3)
>3. A tea party? (+10 -1)
>4. So lolita fashion originated from Japan, huh.. (+26 -1)
>5. That sounds fun! I haven't worn it yet, but maybe I will, lol. Being able to share your hobby with people all over the world seems nice (+25 -5)
>>8709003
>Being able to share your hobby with people all over the world seems nice (+25 -5)
i wonder if the average japanese lolita is unaware of the network of comms the western world has?
>>8709020
The person who said this did mention that she didn't actually wear lolita.
It does sound like the community is not very tight-knit though except for brand events.
>>8709020
I was chatting to an international lolita living in Japan about Western comms and how the Japanese lolitas don't really have communities. They don't tend to hang out in large groups but stick to small friend groups, as opposed to Western comms where we kind of centralize everything, and having small groups comes off as stand-offish. Seeing as the comm system came out of a need to even find other lolitas and try and hang out with them, I can see why they wouldn't need that.
>>8708690
So they judge western lolitas taste based on a photography site nobody knows and doesn't even have to do with lolita? Wow...
I might start translating a few entries/excerpts from yaplong japan to try and maybe get a few lolitas opinions on other things. Their blogs may be interesting
>>8709173
that would be great
>>8707910
There actually are some black men on takeshita street you should avoid. They will suddenly follow/walk next to you and try to start a conversation. Super creepy
>>8707910
>>8709202
For more context:
It's like the guys you see on the streets of American cities (can only speak from murrican POV here, dunno if this happens in Europe/etc?) trying to scam you into buying their CD's, or they might work for gambling parlors and places like that and try to convince you to go there. It's a well known solicitation problem in Japan as well.
>>8709226
Yeah, this is a legit thing. Usually they're Haitian. A lot of them work for hostess clubs trying to get girls to work there.
>>8709293
They're mostly Nigerian
>>8707221
>Where is she cute?? Is it because she's a gaijin? Because she's white? Are you going to defend that she's cute? Stop looking through rose-tinted glasses, shes's average to ugly looking. (+10 -11)
Grass is greener, haha
>>8709147
No, they're saying the opposite, that this site doesn't represent them well and they're salty that westerners are going to see them all as ugly people.
can anyone take a crack at this article? it features lolitas at RuffleCon and NYCC.
http://mw.nikkei.com/sp/#!/article/DGXMZO93308990X21C15A0000000/
>>8709481
Honestly Google translate does a decent job at it, I don't see the point of bothering someone with such a long article.
>>8708849
It's less that you seem upset and more that you seem eager to jump to damning conclusions about others.
>>8709502
>you
>implying
>>8709538
>the crying of an infant in text post form
>>8707032
>that bitch
>fat
Guess I should just hang myself, but I'm probably so fat I'll snap the rope.
>>8709571
Fucking weaboo, are you really gonna hang yourself because Nippon thinks you're fat?
Idk this is just a bunch of normal-fags discussing /cgl/-ish things and not at all a look in to Japanese Lolita's or gyaru etc. It's the equivalent of reddit discussing us. It's only a hand full of related topics from 2011-now. It sounded exciting but I'm dissapointed. Is there no place online where japanese lolita congregate and we can have an actual look as to how they are?
>>8708857
Go away Amerifat.
>>8709442
You're right, my bad.
>>8709696
This, I was hoping for something that was an equivalent to cgl, but there doesn't really seem to be? Also none of the comments seem well thought out, just instant lul fat/ugly reactions?
>>8709823
Well, as was pointed out here >>8709067
there isn't the same need to have a central community in Japan. So it makes sense that a central online community wouldn't be a thing either, really.
I'd heard from a friend living over there that most lolitas even roll their eyes at KERA and the GLB, which makes me wonder who buys them, since they're clearly still being made.
>>8709831
>most lolitas even roll their eyes at KERA and the GLB
It makes sense. I've heard it too. Like there was a comment on this blog that Kera actually manages to get ahead of the trend sometimes because its stylists take more risks since they know their readers don't understand fashion at all.
http://neojaponisme.com/2011/07/19/on-fake-glasses-in-japan/
>>8707109
The last comment fucking got me hard
>>8709907
jeezus channers will fap to anything
>>8709867
>http://neojaponisme.com/2011/07/19/on-fake-glasses-in-japan/
Extremely underrated article that I have never seen it posted here before... I think it explains very well a lot about the difference between native and western interpretations of jfashions in itself, especially the last posts. Especially here on cgl we love to insist everything is not a costume out of our cultural context of western style subcultures, but for Japan they just take it as granted that it is, even if it's still their own personal style as a last ditch expression of creativity/character before adulthood.
Thanks for linking!
>>8710751
Thanks! I think I got it in the otome thread. Always thought it was weird that the western community pushed the no costume concept so hard when everything else coming out of Japan was indicating otherwise. Maybe because of the association with cosplay?
>>8710802
Well maybe partially, but like I said I think it's mostly a matter of different cultural context. For the west, where we have societal standards such that that we aren't as heavily expected to discard personality and 'uniqueness' as we enter adulthood, we have subcultures like goths, punks, etc where there are still tons of members who are adults, can spend their adult money on these fashions in their freetime, have their own adult hobbies without being judged as harshly as you would in Japan. So for us it's not taken for granted that we would present our fashion as a costume or uniform of a teen fad, because in the west fashion isn't seen that way. And for that reason it's more insulting to western sensibility to suggest that what you're wearing is a uniform carefully crafted to a specific purpose, rather than a natural and personal expression of your taste (like the writer's example of effortless vs effortful coordination).
Thinking even more about the article, think about how often you hear the word 'effortless' tossed about in western fashion magazines. The idea of not trying, having naturally good taste really is ingrained to western fashion sensibility. Maybe that's why we in the west judge people's coording skills more harshly (vs most of the criticism focused on girls' looks/weight that we've seen in these threads from Japan). Especially with regards to things like complaining about overdone trends (can easily be seen as trying too hard).
>>8710802
Normalfags in the west also associate the outfits with events like conventions or product promotions. Also, theater play advertisement, or a filming for TV.
The same logic of "goths will dress up in goth" won't set off with lolita unless the viewer is familiar with it as a fashion in the first place.
>>8710824
Good point on the word "effortless" getting tossed around in western fashion articles. You want to do fashion right, but you don't want to look like you worked hard to achieve it.
Reminds me of this analysis of what the meaning of "being cool" is in western fashion:
http://www.sloaneconde.com/home/2015/4/12/cool-girls-a-conversation-with-celine-of-double-plus-lovely
>>8710838
There was a comment in the first article that really hit on this for me:
>As I see it, “effortless cool” is more of a Gen X value, while “passionate sincerity” is more of a Gen Y value.
With regards to the growing trend of hipsters and young fashion trends in the west.
I think the common western value of effortlessness is widespread and longheld because it's so old (began with babyboomers who became massively powerful spenders, along with how the designers of that day became the standard for what RTW fashion is today post-war), but it is beginning to fade a bit as the concept of dressing 'interestingly' becomes more popular. Just look at how interest in couture fashion has grown over the past decade, with designer collabs from fast fashion brands and indicators such as Gap's failed 'dress normal' campaign.
>>8710827
I think this is a good point too. For many westerners (I don't want to say a majority, but certainly more than with jfash), the masses have at least a passing familiarity with goth and punk as a concept and recognize it as a lifestyle. For lolita, there is no such common recognition (unless say, you were to be confused with a rockabilly lifestyler) and therefore they will associate it with the next most logical reason that someone is dressed out of the norm, a costume.
>>8708857
>>8707032
>>8707722
I just snapped this pic out of the back of a random j-fashion magazine I have. They have weighloss ads like this in the back all the time. Let's take a look at what Japanese considers fat:
left to right:
>48.8 kg to 38.1 kg (107 lbs to 84 lbs)
>61.9 kg to 46.5 kg (136 lbs to 102 lbs)
>59.3 kg to 39.6 kg (130 lbs to 87 lbs)
So yes, they mean that OP is fat.
As in:
F
A
T
>>8710876
She's sort of chubby by Asian standards, which we just call 'fat' because chubby = fat enough. Look at her thighs. Also, those girls in your picture must be pretty short.
>>8710876
Looks like an old magazine. It's much worse now
>>8710880
if you look closely below the weights, they give their heights. (and below that a chart of their bust/waist/hip measurements as well.)
so the heights are left to right:
>153 cm (5'0")
>169 cm (5'6")
>159 cm (5'2")
>>8710883
christ
>>8710883
That's terrifying, holy shit.
>>8710883
BWAHAHA. You might be right. Mine was a random Ageha magazine from 2009. (I horde jfash magazines like woah)
>>8710883
Holy shit not sure if anorexia or photoshop disaster.
>>8710838
>>8710872 cont'd,
>http://www.sloaneconde.com/home/2015/4/12/cool-girls-a-conversation-with-celine-of-double-plus-lovely
And, now that I've had the time to sit and read through this link, I'm thinking about the aims most would associate with lolita in terms of how you want to present yourself stylistically. Then what does it mean to want to look 'cute'? To look 'elegant'? Where the discussion is going in my mind at least initially is towards the very divisive assertions made often in the lolita community that lolita is a fashion rooted in modesty and feminist rejection of sexualization) might be a little too off-topic and easily derailing for this thread, but I think they're hitting on something here. Maybe the problems with defining cool discussed in the article helps to articulate exactly why that issue is so divisive, in fact- we don't want to admit how we're defining ourselves, necessarily.
>>8710902
A little bit of column a, a little bit of column b?
>>8710902
Photoshop disaster
>>8710883
>losing 20kg in 30 days
Who actually believes this bullshit?
>>8710997
I'm pretty sure that would be possible on a water fast
>>8710876
I appreciate that the Japanese may have different standards of what fat or chubby looks like compared to say the west, but don't use gal type mags as the benchmark, they are notorious for having off the scale beauty standards and don't in any way represent typical opinion/weight ideal of Japanese women.
>>8710751
Anon that was crazy fascinating, thank you for the link!
>>8710880
There are three girls and they all have small thighs afterwards
>she's standing with her legs crossed which means her thighs are big!
>>8710923
this along with fashion magazines would be a great topic for another thread for sure
>>8708791
Good to see that the mother's being called out on being insane. I'd have expected the opposite, seeing as the board seems to be saltier than the Dead Sea, so this and the hijabi lolitas are pretty refreshing.
>>8711113
they're usually ads for diet pills.
>>8711030
as the person who posted that, I think it's completely insane. It's laughable. It's not only unrealistic but unhealthy.
But I was using it as a sad truth to illustrate that yes, some people might legit consider OP's picture fat in Japan.
>>8711113
I posted >>8710876
They are complete garbage like >>8711139 said. Just trying to sell a pill or a drink of some kind.
There's usually 10 pages or so in the back of all these magazines for scam diets along with plastic surgery for eye creases, boob jobs/breast pumps (fuggin weird, like a penis pump for boobs), nose and chin surgeries. It's horrible and I feel grateful they don't have that shit in girl magazines in the US.
>>8707919
So like.. reverse yellow fever?
weird
>>8707177
some of the reactions were cute.
>>8711450
No, its white privilege...the concept that the media prefers white people isnt new even in asian countries. Look at models like kota and all the white people who model for jetj and iw.
>>8711002
Maybe, but you'll be flabby, fuck up your metabolism and gain all of it back once you start eating again, so what's the point?
>>8711146
In america and Europe too but in any way
they are mentally ill/anorexics.
It's like on lolcow.farm these girls think anyone that isnt Yukapon or Ashley is a fatty.
I never took any of these fat comments seriously desu. Coming from people that think that dakota legs are lul so fat in this pic i really cant take them seriously. And i dislike dakota and think she is on the average/chub side but holy shit if you think this is fat you need some help to step out of that delusion.
How sad must these girls lifes be that they have to constantly call other girls fat and ugly litterally all the time to reassure themselves.
That or they are secret fatties
And if you disagree you are an amerifat or something.
>>8712139
That's honestly why I don't want to visit lolcow sometimes, because of so many ana-chans on the website. I'm talking you can look like >>8710883 and still be fat because no bones are showing or some other stupid shit. I'd like to believe some of them are just trolling, but honestly I don't know.
>>8711953
I am pretty sure it has different implications in Japan than it would in a western country, anon.
>>8711953
Lol no. Go back to tumblr.
>>8712170
same here really
>>8712180
That's what it is though. Plain white girls are glorified or treated as beautiful just because they're white. It's not really a fetish, just slowly seeped into pop culture.
>>8707191
now this is making me feel nostalgic
>>8712260
>slowly seeped into pop culture
The nips liked white skin before even coming into contact with westerners. It's always been a beauty standard over there.
>>8708791
>This is helicopter parent on steroids
WHAT
>>8712323
Have you never heard the term "helicopter parent"?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=helicoptor+parent
>>8712332
>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=helicoptor+parent
Never, thank you for keeping me up to date anon
>>8712341
That's crazy, I used to hear it all the time in reference to classmates' parents when they got over-involved in school activities and generally made asses out of themselves when I was in primary.
>>8709678
>not smelling the sarcasm
are you okay
>>8712345
we prob dont live anywhere close to each other
>>8709831
>most lolitas even roll their eyes at KERA and the GLB
That's actually really interesting to hear. KERA I'd understand, but the GLB, really? Surely they're the target audience, aren't they?
What media do the J Lolitas consume in terms of the fashion, then? Is it more personal-blog based?
>>8712666
yeah i doubt that most lolitas would dislike the GLB. anecdotal evidence is not enough to persuade me that the homeland of lolitas condemn the Bible.
>>8708791
Hey, isn't this from that 2ch translation blog? It's not nice to steal things, anon.
>>8709571
No joke that stuff happens. I of course tried with a belt.
>>8716914
Probably not, considering that that was from a Girls Channel thread and not 2ch. Everything I translate is my own.
>>8708645
If I remember correctly, it's to show off the top of the hair and hair accessories.
>>8712305
I don't think anon means the pallor/white skin alone. I think anon means the stereotype of white girls in Japan as being predominantly light haired and blue-eyed. Most western models that "make it" have that colouring pattern, or bleach their hair/wear blonde wigs to suit that colouring pattern, as opposed to being brunette with dark eyes. The photo they were referring to also fits that pattern.
Check out most of IW and JetJ's models for examples in lolita.
>>8716923
While I believe you, why is it that no one on /cgl knows how to trip, and when they do they're all aspies?
>sage
>>8707339
>>22. It might be good for them. A fundamental of lolita is not skin (+412 -1)
EVERYONE LISTEN THE FUCK UP
>>8719867
>(where can I buy tem...?)
>>8719888
why would you ever willingly do that to yourself
>>8719888
Why would you do that when you can just limit what you eat
>>8707221
>Once Britney Spears tried to emulate Gyaru, that didn't go well.
>Implying the West is the copycat
>Gag me with a spoon
>>8712180
Stating facts=/=Tumblrina
>>8720209
Japanese people often like to forget that their fashions are just tweaked ripoffs Western fashions and make fun of us for "copying" them.
>>8719867
Jesus fucking Christ why would anyone willingly take that risk
>>8719888
>>8719967
In all seriousness, one because one can actually die from tapeworm. Two, they will not make you thin in the desirable shape.
A host afflicted with tapeworm will be bone-skinny in the limbs and face, but bloated in the gut.
The reason for this is the tapeworm will be absorbing all the nutrients before they get distributed to the full body of the host.
The host will eat and eat, being in perpetual starvation. Despite their digestive orgasms getting packed and stretched out with food matter, the host will continue feeling hungry because they actually are. The parasite, as well as any eggs it lays, will be absorbing nearly everything of nutritional value.
If you have a tapeworm, do not try to pull it out. This can cause it to snap and release eggs.
Instead, go to a doctor, who will give you just the right amount of poison to kill the tapeworm, but not you. You will be in for a rough ride.
After the parasite and its children are dead, who knows how your digestive system will be afterwards. Given how much it likely stretched out, you might even have a larger appetite than before you had the tapeworm.
But at least you won't be lowered into the grave looking like a cross between a ghoul and Humpty-Dumpty.
>>8707919
I'm a fairly plain white girl, honestly nothing special at all and rather average. I don't even have a nice shape face, it's on the long side if anything. My skin is pale and I have brown hair and blue eyes. When I've visited Japan I've had people fawn and fuss over me especially shop assistants. At first I thought it was just politeness but honestly, it was out of hand sometimes to the point where I started to feel really embarrassed.
One time I was so embarrassed I started to talk really quietly and look down at the floor, and then it was all 'oooh your voice is so small and cuute'! Japanese customers in the store then started giving me stink eye and I actually heard one of them say the equivalent of 'who does this bitch think she is?!'.
I've had the scenario above happen a number of times, where I'm doted on for no reason and then other people around me give me bitch face, talk behind my back saying things like 'she's nothing special'. I somehow manage to have complete strangers hate me and it's made me really paranoid, it's not like I'm swanning around thinking I’m all that - I'm just out and about trying to shop and mind my own business.
I can be quite an anxious person anyway and the whole thing has made me wary of ever going shopping in Japan again or going to get my hair done there or something similar.
I know this sounds all very 'white tears' and I know in the scheme of things it's nothing and I'm very lucky to have the funds to go travelling. From a selfish perspective though, feeling like I can never go to Japan again to shop, look at cute things and have fun kinda sucks. It was always one of the things I looked forward to the most in the world.
>>8720587
To be fair, this is probably the most extreme of them the same way places like here are in the West
