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pictus geckos a cute: edition
/herp/ reptile classifieds for finding breeders of various scaled and sundry creatures
>kingsnake.com
>faunaclassifieds.com
>reptilescanada.com (Canadian breeders)
>Also check to see if there are any annual reptile shows/expos in your area as these are good places to find good animals from good breeders at partial discount
/herp/ officially official all purpose care sheet of wonder and magic
>sand a shit
>use a thermostat
>read all the caresheets
>set up your tank before you get your herp
>regulate temps & humidity levels prior to herp arrival
>do not fuck with (handle) your herp for at least 7 days after bringing it home and ideally wait until herp has eaten at least one meal (for snakes), two meals for lizards, frogs, etc.
>PVC tanks are way better for most applications and worth the extra money
>it is best to avoid chain pet stores when looking to purchase live animals as mass breeder suppliers are not especially careful about health and sound genetics... it often saves you money long term to spend a little extra up front to get a healthy animal
These guys are underrated, I think. Care similar to African fat tail geckos but different personality. Out and about exploring the tank about the same frequency as leopard geckos I have kept.
First for mittens.
>>2154026
Second for Starburst
>wake up middle of night to pee
>hear noises from crested gecko tank
>rustle rustle
>thump
>hmmm...
>check on them
>girls what is the meaning of this?
>they look at me all innocent like o__o o__o
>back to bed
>RUSTLE RUSTLE RUSTLE
>get up
>girls settle down!
>o__o o__0
These two didn't interact with each other much as babies but now that they're a couple years old they have started roaming the tank as a team. It's really cute.
I just started feeding my leopard gecko dubia roaches, and she won't eat them unless i put them straight in her face. Anyway I could get her more interested in them?
>>2154603
I forgot to mention she just had her fourth feeding with dubias
>>2154603
You can put a carrot or something to munch on while in their feeding dish. That tends to keep them moving around, more likely to get gecko's attention if gecko is hungry. Otherwise not really. Some leos are just picky eaters.
>>2154693
Alright, thanks for your help.
I have a crested gecko who got overheated.
I've got him cooled off and moist again now, energy levels are back up, but
his tail isn't moving. At all, like it's stiff to the touch. The end of it is hooked downwards like he's hanging onto something, but it seems like he can't move it, because it keeps getting hooked on stuff and he's struggling to get around.
What's the deal? Did the heat somehow paralyze him?
Anyone have tips on making an aquarium safe DIY hide?
My RES has an obsession with wanting to cram herself into decorations smaller than her
>>2154772
In the water
>>2154772
Probably 100+ but only for maybe 2-3 minutes. He crawled into a fresh-out-of-the-dryer blanket while my wife and I were folding laundry, when we found him he was all locked up completely stiff, like we could roll him around in our hands (he usually hates showing his belly and will immediately flip over if he gets turned upside down). We thought he was dead/dying, but running cool water over him for a couple minutes got him to perk back up. :(
>>2154348
>o__o o__0
>dollar per gallon sale starts tomorrow
>plus employee discount
lord help me, I don't have room for a 40 breeder
>>2154773
Pvc pipe cut to whatever shape and arrangement, put some aquarium gravel inside so it doesn't float.
Coconut halves. Lightweight rock stacked in to cave shape.
>>2154814
Anyone here have experience with pink tongue skink? Are they like blue tonge skinks but smaller?
Anybody else here have salamanders? Tigers or any other sorts?
Also, semi-unrelated question but how do people keep axolotl aquariums cool? Is there a device to keep the water chilled or what?
Here's my little girl, Bo.
>>2155128
I'd consider a tiger, but humidity is hard in a desert. Its tough enough maintaining my BP
also I think they're illegal in CA
>>2155128
You use a chiller to keep aquariums below room temp. Those can be expensive though.
Here's my leuistic axolotl
>>2155128
my son has a tiger but /an/ throws a fit when I post it.
>>2155175
are you that retard who has no hides for his salamander that they found and keeps entirely on decorative gravel?
>>2155175
>That shitty aquarium gravel
>>2155175
Seems like they're upset abut your husbandry, so they have cause to be so. Why not fix your husbandry? Your animal benefits, you benefit, and your kid benefits.
>>2155175
Post a different photos my friend. I remember you posting that exact one a while ago
Here's more Bo
>>2155268
Lol my mistake
Is there any website that lets you set a subscription monthly for feeder insects?That would be really cool.
>>2155387
If they're legal in your area, then I'd recommend having a dubia roach colony. Though that sounds like a great idea, various reptiles need different dietary needs, and some insects just can't fulfill that. Unless you mean like a sort of service where you pick out what insects you need and then they would ship them out to monthly.
My beardie has been sleeping on the warmer side of tank often a lot now, he'd be finished eating, would offer him water from the tap every day and after being active he'd just lie down on the warmer side.
He also moves to his cool side when he wants to cool down.
Should I go see a vet?
>>2155410
Yeah I was thinking it would be a cool service.I know neherp does it with fruit flies but I haven't seen anyone do it with feeders.
I'd consider making a website,but I don't think ordering insects every month is too much of a hassle.So I doubt people would subscribe monthly.
>>2155435
>He also moves to his cool side when he wants to cool down
I dont see the problem here
>>2155454
You don't think it's a problem if he naps on the warmer side then?
i'm paranoid as fuck man, it;s a baby too
>>2155474
no, he just wants to be warm
and then he moves to the cool side when he wants to be cool
thats literally the definition of normal behavior
Reptile show coming up in October and I know for certain I'm getting a leopard gecko. Cage is almost set up and hope to test it out next weekend to make sure temps are right.
I'm thinking about setting up a second enclosure for a crested gecko though. My research so far leads me to think they're more laid back than leopards and may do alright with multiple females to a tank. But figured I'd ask your guys opinion.
Would you still keep crested geckos 1 per tank if you planned females only?
>>2155479
I don't have enough experience to answer the question directly, I only have one crested gecko, but I can confirm that they are the absolute chillest lizards in existence. She doesn't do a gosh darn thing besides sit on her rock or lay under her leaf. She's basically a tank ornament that changes location once a day.
>>2155476
thanks anon, that was a relief
>>2155479
You can keep multiple females in the tank without much trouble, yes. However there are some things to keep in mind if you plan to do so:
>tank must be at least 18x18x24
>2 food bowls
>2 water bowls
>you must be prepared to separate them immediately in to individual tanks if you seen any sign of fighting
>don't be that person who comes on here and writes "guys my geckos are trying to kill each other but i can't afford a second tank halp"
>some females will fight. it's not a frequent occurence but is happens.
The only things females are likely to fight over is territory (tank too small) or access to the food and possibly the water dish, which is why it is very important that there be two of each.
Regarding temperament, I wouldn't say crested geckos are more relaxed than leos. Cresties can be quite active and fairly spazzy when handled. Handling them takes some getting used to in order to do it safely without having them leap off your hand, run to nearest wall, zip up to the ceiling.
New HD photos
Rate gecko.
He's supposedly a patternless, but he sure looks like he's got spots
>>2155492
Yea, the intention is a 24x18x36 exo terra. But splitting them up shouldn't be a problem since crested geckos have such easy care requirements.
The more I think about it though I may just do a vertical 20g and just keep one.
Reptile show isn't till October so I've got plenty of time to think things through.
>>2155497
Don't get 2 unless you have the resources to have 2 enclosures if they don't get along
>>2155497
>24x18x36
Oh! haha. Yeah, no. That's overkill by a large margin. That is like green tree python size tank.
>>2155497
Consider also gargoyle geckos. They're pretty different than cresteds in terms of personality. Same care. Gargs should be housed individually. Not that they're more likely to fight necessarily, at least in my experience, but more that they have bigger teeth and if they do fight they can tear each other up pretty badly.
>>2155493
qt gecker. Looks patternless to me. Those brown splotches aren't spots. Those will fade with age too.
>>2155505
Right, which is why I was planning to get several.
It seems silly to get the 18x18x24 tank for like $120 when I can spend a little more (it goes for $170 at my local pet place) and get effectively twice the tank.
But a single female in that size tank would just cause her stress (which doesn't make sense to me, but that's what the care sheets say, don't get a big enclosure).
The vertical 20g seems like a good size for a single female and the Petco sale will come up again at some point.
>>2155512
He could just patrol Craigslist for cheap tanks and get a frogbox vert kit
>>2155512
Regarding stress and large tanks; this comes down to two issues. Large tank has to be filled with lots and lots of decor to make up for all the extra open space. Geckos do not like traversing large distances with cover. It can be done but it's kind of pointless and just makes it less likely you will actually see your gecko with any regularity. The second issue is food and water. Big tank means you need at least a couple different spots for food so gecko can always find it easily.
For captive care, everything is much easier for you and the gecko if the tank is a good happy medium size, neither too small or too big.
>>2155535
*withOUT cover
>>2155479
Where is the show?
How's the vivarium looking so far?Just finished the carving stage and gonna silicone it over soon.
Just a question,Is it possible for a gargoyle gecko to get stuck in the middle log?I feel like its to small at the back end for the gecko to turn around so I might just block it off.Anyone have any experience with their geckos being stuck in corkbark?
I'm going to get a boa constrictor imperator this year.
I've already read very much, but mostly in my first language (german).
Can you recommend me some english Bci care guides?
I know about bearded dragons that german and american/UK guides vary in a few aspects, so I want more information.
>>2155688
Yes, geckos can get stuck trying to smush themselves in to spaces too small for them.
>>2155747
Yeah that's what I thought.I'll open up the topmost piece and fill in the back of the middlelog so he can't get in it to the back.What should I fill it up with?I ran out of foam :c
>>2155493
Your gecko looks creepy af
>>2155768
Do NOT bully him.
>>2155768
DON'T BULLY THE LITTLE GECKER REEEEEEEEEEE!
>>2155768
>>2155768
You're the creepy one, picking on babies
Every time I come home and catch her doing something, she just freezes up like shes not doing anything weird
So I'm trying to make a homemade viv for my crested gecko, and I have all of the wood prices for the base and frame cut out perfectly and all that. However, being the clueless tool that I am, I didn't realize that 2x4's are typically made of pine wood, and the ones I have ready were no exception. And I know aromatic woods are typically a no-no for reptiles.
The wood doesn't smell or anything, and they're fairly old pieces, and on top of all of that, I'm sure those planks have been processed to a certain degree. Would they still be okay to use for the frame? 95% of what the gecko will be touching is going to be plexiglass, but parts of the frame will still be accessible to the lizard.
Will I be okay continuing with these wood planks or should I invest in some oak or other types of wood?
Pic related is my gecker
>>2155882
Please get her off of that sand...
>>2155886
Cute Gek
>>2155890
Breeder said she's been on vita sand all her life. And the vet told me that she's doing fine
>>2155886
You'll want to seal the wood to keep it from rotting anyway, so it shouldn't be a problem
>>2155898
Sand isn't good for leopard geckos, they live in an environment with solid ground and haven't evolved the ability to digest sand. It also irritates their feet. Do her a favor and take out all the sand, replace it with paper towel. And if you want, you could by her some tile.
>>2155886
You'll want to use a polyurethane sealant on the wood. Preferably something heavy duty made for marine applications like Seafin Aquaspar.
When using any polyurethane sealant for reptile enclosures it is important to let it off gas for a couple weeks before your herp takes residence.
How bad of an idea is it for someone who's never kept lizards to start out with an iguana? I don't really like any of the beginner species, I've done a lot of research, and I have a corn snake who's doing fine (although I know there's a big gap in difficulty levels there)
>>2155912
Also, rule of thumb on off gassing is if you can still smell it it isn't safe yet.
Another thing that works is food safe wood sealant used for making wooden bowls and so forth. Ask at hardware store about that.
>>2155891
Thanks buddy
>>2155901
>>2155912
What, so like aquarium sealant covering the wood? Or is there a spray or something I can cure it with? I'm not very up to code on my hardware terminology
>>2155914
Anon....
That's just terrible, you have to work your way up before you get to the good stuff.
Also, how in the hell do you not like Leos or Cresties?
>>2155923
Eeh, Cresties and Beardies are okay, I just like iguanas a lot better. It'd probably be a good idea to start with one of those, the issue is that I don't really want to have an animal I don't like much for 15+ years yfeel
>>2155921
>What, so like aquarium sealant covering the wood?
Yes. Polyurethane is a sort of rubber compound. Waterproof. You usually put it on with a paint brush. Do a few coats.
Which book would you recommend as a boa constrictor care guide?
>>2155944
>>2155938
Isn't it too thick to put on with a brush? And isn't it too soft? Won't that shit just smear off if something rubs against it?
Is there anything else I can use?
>>2155914
Pretty bad, it's a big hungry lizard that won't like you.
>>2155923
>Also, how in the hell do you not like Leos or Cresties?
Because Gargoyles are so much better :>
>>2155956
Vincent Russo's shorter (and less expensive) book on the subject, Boas in Captivity, is also good if you don't want to read all the stuff about the various genetics and locales and so on.
>>2155956
Okay... I've just worked with aquarium sealant once before and it remained jiggly even after drying... is there some sort of bulk type that I can use from a hardware store or something? The only other place I can get some from is the pet store, but they only carry small, expensive tubes of it.
Also, do I just need to cure the wood inside the tank? Like, the wooden outside base won't need it, will it?
>>2155964
Aquarium sealant is silicone. This is different. Hardware store sells it. Pets stores do not.
Interior seal is sufficient.
>>2155970
Ohhh okay. So I just go to the hardware store and ask for polyurethane sealant?
Thank you for the advice, sorry for being such a dweeb also lol
>>2155970
>Aquarium sealant is silicone. This is different. Hardware store sells it. Pets stores do not.
>Interior seal is sufficient.
Have you used HA6?I used it on my background for viv,wondering if it has mold inhibitors.Can't find it out on google
>>2155982
it doesn't.
>>2155914
I would start with a smaller species that requires similar care. Practice making large enclosures and maintaining temps and humidity in them before jumping into the deep end.
>>2155980
Yep. Water based polyurethane preferably. It comes in a paint can like pic related.
Use gloves and choose a well ventilated location when applying. In liquid form it's a little bit toxic.
>>2155914
hey, hey dude. get a uromastyx or a chuckwalla instead
Help, I can't decide.
I only have the space for one, as both species require big enclosures (or, to put it correctly, I only provide huge enclosures to my animals, as I hate seeing them in tiny spaces).
Collared lizard or emerald swift? Could I get any input from actual keepers? Both are really cool looking lizards, I've actually only seen the collared iguanas very recently, but I absolutely fell in love.
An emerald swift has been one of my favorite reptiles for a while, I love how they look extremely primitive.
Care-wise both seem fine for me, I read a lot of care sheets and I have some experience, at least with beginner reptiles.
Please help me decide, some actual input from keepers would be really helpful.
>>2155914
If you know someone who has or has had an iguana that can help, go for it.
>>2155902
This desu senpai
My beardie's tank has one side of tiles and the rest papertowels (18 gallon tank)
I would never recommend sand
>>2156120
I have experimented some with a half/half tile and something else type setup with my terrestrial gecks that need a high humidity. I put tile on the warm side where the heat is and coco fiber/moss mix on the cool side to keep humidity up. Put something in the middle as a low divider so substrate doesn't get all over your warm side and it works fantastic. Benefit of the tile on the warm side is heat retention so you get a nice smooth heat gradient.
>>2156254
Do gecks need UVB bulb as well?
>>2156290
Depends on the gecko.
I personally have a crested, who doesn't, and doesn't even need a heat lamp unless you keep your house really cold, but not all of them are so low-maintenance.
>>2155481
My little alligator lizard does this. He's still very young, but I'm afraid I'm going to feed him too much or something and he'll get fat.
I started throwing in any spiders that happen to cross the floor and he gets some pretty good excersise chasing it around the tank. I want to breed my own crickets as well but I don't have anywhere I could store them currently that won't bother anyone. I was thinking dubias maybe, but he refuses to even look at pill bugs so I don't know if he would eat the roaches. I could order a batch and try though...
>>2156290
Day geckos (phelsuma) do. The nocturnal species, which is most of the commonly kept geckos in pet trade, do not.
Turtles are underrated, terrestrial ones at least.
My Florida box turtle
>>2156452
my ornate wood turtles
>>2155742
Vin Russo's book The Complete Boa Constrictor is the #1 book to read when you're just getting into boas. It's a bit outdated (the book is like 9 years old), but it makes some very good husbandry points and even discusses the taxonomy. Which has changed since then. Boa constrictor imperator is now Boa imperator, and Boa constrictor constrictor is Boa constrictor (if the anon from that boa thread hangs out in here I am still searching around but still haven't found anything beyond DNA testing - it can be hard to sift through all the old taxonomy).
The main thing I want to point out that hardly any care sheets are going to talk about is feeding (at least in my experience as an American keeper).
You really want to be gentle on the feeding if you want them to live long healthy lives. Overfed boas live either 6 years or barely into their teens depending on how badly overfed they are, when they can live 20-30+.
Conservative feeding should start from birth, not start in later ages. Even feeding a baby generously can adversely affect them, fast growth isn't always good.
Russo's book recommends 2-3 weeks with a fasting period for adults, but I'd go a little beyond that myself, and tweak it depending on your individual. Feed babies every 10-14 days and no more than every 7, yearlings every 14 days but no more often than every 10, and feed boas 3 years and older every 4-6 weeks. A yearly winter fasting period is optional but recommended. It should generally last 90 days/3 months accompanied with a temp drop. All prey items should be small enough to either leave no bulge or a small bulge with no scale separation, as they get older I'd opt for the smaller bulges.
Here is my grumpy little anery motley, he's my favorite out of my 4.
>>2156511
That boa is really beautiful
Thank you for your thorough answer.
I'm getting my boa in about two weeks, he's a ~1 year old male.
Good you're pointing feeding out as I'm unsure about that.
The breeder currently gives him an adult mouse every 7-10 days. I'm not exactly sure how I should continue, as a single mouse won't be enough someday, no? In a year or so should he be getting rats?
I don't want to overfeed him, he also shouldn't be malnourished. Also, I couldn't find a definitive answer, but how long fo boas grow? The breeder said "my" Imperator would grow to like 6ft, but when will he reach that length at normal feeding?
Excuse my questions, I'm experienced with bearded dragons and this is my first snake. Want to do everything correctly.
That's him, I'm calling him Serpi
>>2156511
does overfeeding affect the lifespan of other snakes too?
>>2156610
It can, yes.
Hi, /an/ I recently got a Leopard gecko (probably male) and wanted to put two females of around the same size with him. He is ~6 inches right now and lives in a 100x50x50cm. Would that be okay to house 3 animals?
>>2154729
Slate flooring tiles from a home improvement store and pure silicone.
There are people who will say that window silicone is okay to use, but at $2.50 for a small squeeze tube I just get the aquarium safe stuff.
>>2156692
You should be keeping precisely 0 geckos on sand
>>2155923
leos look cool but idl how they're nocturnal. that's why i'm more of a beardie guy, but 100% agree with your statement. if he doesnt take care of the iguana right, that thing will be an angry asshole for the rest of their lives
>>2156692
Slow down there, hotdog. "Probably" male? Want to introduce more geckos? No. No you will not. You've got a juvenile gecko in a fuck huge tank with a hide that is way big and you're using sand.
You don't know what you're doing. You shouldn't be breeding or even attempting to co-hab leopard geckos at all at this point.
>>2156696
GE Silicone I, which is 100% pure silicone, is aquarium safe.
How do you decide when you should begin to give your Boa (imperator) rats instead of mice?
my new snek. had her for about a month now. boas are really soft compared to corn snakes.
My bearded dragon is literally a fucking dog. He wants to be with me 24/7. I'm guessing he is bored or something, is there anything he might enjoy like a toy?
Is it a bad idea to rearrange my geko's terrarium to keep his life interesting with new things to explore?
I feel like it would make his home more interesting for him to explore
>>2156978
not at all, just don't completely rearrange everything all at once.
something new to check out every so often is good for them
My dad took care of my crested gecko for a month, as I left the country. When I returned, my gecko's shed was a mess (inside ear hole, patchy), as well as his right eye was bulging out a little bit.
Vet is not an option due to circumstances. Is there any remedies? Thank you.
>>2157059
>Vet is not an option due to circumstances. Is there any remedies?
Yeah, go mow some fucking lawns for $10 each and take your animal to the fucking vet.
>have to leave for two weeks
>leaving my leopard at someone elses house for two weeks
Is there anything I can actually do to prevent my gecko from fucking dying while Im gone?
>>2157140
make a care sheet with detailed instructions and/or walk them through it. Call them regularly if you have to, if you know whoever will watch after it will fucking forget
>>2157140
Give it large feed animals.
They're more likely to feed it regularly if they only have to feed it a few superworms over a ton of mealworms.
So I just got finished baking a branch off a false pear tree in my backyard after bleaching drying and then soaking with just water and drying again
I can't find a solid answer on the internet on whether or not I need to peel the bark off of it or not.
>>2157155
What species is it for?
>>2157156
just for a small carpet python
>>2157159
I take the bark off of anything that will be climbed on.
>>2156772
Weigh your snake. If rat fuzzies are 10% or less of the snake's weight you can switch. If snake is less than one year old, 10% snake weight is a good feeder size. With boas it's really easy to overfeed so better a little less than more. Once over a year you can move to a smaller percentage, say 7% snake weight, and decrease frequency as per recommended by caresheets.
>>2157155
After sterilizing, the bark will cause no harm. It's up to you whether to remove or not. I usually do because dry bark flakes off and makes a mess.
>>2156554
At 1 year old I'd be feeding it every 10-14 days for sure, his metabolism will be suddenly drop a little so it's best to space it out.
The prey size he's on sounds about average. My smaller yearling is on weaned rats but the equivalent is jumbo mice and she was on small adult mice just a few weeks ago. I didn't raise my other yearling.
Pic is my smaller yearling, she was 31" last I measured her, but she's looking bigger lately so I'll need to get updated pictures and measure her.
And yes they'll quickly outgrow mice. If he's on adult mice he probably won't be on mice but for another few months, no more than 6 I'd guess. When he's big enough for jumbo mice, he's ready to switch to weaned rats.
Boas generally reach their truly large sizes when they're 6-8+ years old. A lot of people think they grow for life (indeterminate growth), but I really don't buy into it and there's no science I can find to back that up. Boas do grow for a long time when slow grown, power feeding can get them bigger quicker but doesn't increase their max size, and it comes at the cost of cutting their life span in half or more.
6' is about average for a male, but I really wouldn't count on that being his max size for sure. My male is 6.5' and is only turning 5 this year, he still has the potential to reach or exceed 7', and I've heard of 8'-9' males.
>>2156772
When it's big enough to take jumbo mice with a minimal bulge. There are no larger mouse sizes, so that's when you should switch.
>>2157163
No, do not follow this anon's advise, this is power feeding. Feed based of the lump it gives not the weight percentage, the weight percentage will be more than what they should be eating. Boas have slow metabolisms and should eat less than you'd think.
I've found with my young boas 10-11% is the absolute maximum to aim for, not a target to hit. At that size it leaves a rather large lump, you don't want to see a large lump if you're feeding your boa on a regular schedule.
I don't feed my adult boa based off weight, but his prey items range from 3-6% of his weight. 6% leaves a bulge, and is the most I want to feed him.
What is with everyone recommending the Munson Plan nowadays?
>>2157181
I did say 10% or less for <1 year old, but point taken.
>>2157190
It does come across as "10% is ideal but you can go with less," which isn't necessarily true.
I'd just get a couple different sizes if you can swing it, and try them on the largest (as long as it's reasonably within the range of the snake's girth, don't do something crazy like try to offer a 2.5' boa a 40+ gram small rat). If the prey item leaves a large bulge, give it an extra week or two and offer then next size down until it's leaving a small bulge. One or two large meals can affect their weight/growth but shouldn't harm them if you're not doing it all the time. I'd err on the side of caution when stepping them up to the next size than just going ahead and giving them that next size just to see willy-nilly.
For example this is what I'd call borderline too big. Any bigger than this and I'd have started to see scale separation. This is my sunglow, roughly 30"-31" here and 200-250 grams, eating a jumbo mouse. She's gotten bigger since this photo so she can now reasonably take a weaned rat/jumbo mouse.
>>2157203
that is a very lovely snek
I'm thinking about getting a crested gecko evauntually and want to invest on a tank during this dollar a gallon sale. I know that one needs at least 18 inches of vertical climbing space. But what are the requirements for depth and length dimensions? How much more space do you need for 2 or 3? Anyone with cresties know?
on one hand, he's a very nice yellow and he's half off/dollar per gallon sale
on the other its petco and he's on sand
>>2157250
WOOPS
>>2157172
Thank you very much
The breeder said he'll get to like ~6ft because of its parents. We'll see how it plays out, if he's truly getting much bigger I need another tank..
The current one is 4ft11 in length and 2ft7.5 wide.
But I guess I have a few years time
>>2157203
How can you tell it's too big?
I'm a beginner, genuinely curious
>>2157235
18x18x18 is good for a single adult. 18x18x24 for two females. Recommend you start with just one.
>>2157251
well would you rather him die off living at petco or would you rather he have a good life. theyre going to get their animals regardless if you boycott or not. if he looks healthy go for him
I have an adult corn snake that's been in a 3ft viv it's whole life
I feel like spoiling it, would a 5ft x2ftx 2ft viv be too big or make it stressed?
>>2157464
corn snakes are very active. it would love to have a height of 5 feet too.
>>2157464
Lots of hides and branches and foliage and it can work. The trouble is with all that decor the tank gets more difficult to clean.
Why do some snake breeders offer pairs of snakes for sale? Like on their list of snakes, sometimes they will have a male and female pair listed as 'for sale as pair only'. Snakes aren't generally kept in pairs unless breeding so what's the logic behind this?
Can a leo live off medium sized grasshoppers? They seem like a superior version of crickets (no noise). Of course I'still feed her other stuff on a regular basis, but I'd like to mainly feed grasshoppers now instead of crickets...
Any experiences, or is this a total no-go?
>>2157624
They're just being sold as a pairs rather than individually. The breeders don't intend their customers to keep them together like birds or other social animals that are sold in pairs.
>>2157747
But then why sell them in pairs?
>>2157727
Sure. Are you breeding them or are their wild caught? If wild caught just be careful about where you are collecting them from. If there's pesticides heavily used in the vicinity there's a small risk of poisoning. You could just trap a bunch and breed from those if you like. Breeding procedure is the same as for crickets.
>>2157778
You get less $$$ for them individually than as a m/f pair a buyer could theoretically breed.
Spotted this guy on my parent's property. They panicked and thought it was a cottonmouth, told them it was rat snake to calm them down. Any guesses what he is? (Location is Southern Arkansas)
>>2157284
If his parents are small and over 6 years old, then it's likely he'll stay small, but still has the potential to get bigger. Yeah, you'll have a long time before he gets big.
>>2157318
The bulge she's got here is acceptable, as there was no scale separation, but it's larger than I'm comfortable with. You can tell by how her sides splay out. When she doesn't have any food in her you couldn't really see her sides from that angle and not to that degree. As an adult, I won't be wanting to see any noticeable bulge, but this is fine for a young boa.
>>2157452
The question is actually:
"Would you rather him die off and potentially have only one replace him, or buy him and have 2 more replace him because 'yay sales?'" Unless that anon can have the beardie surrendered to him, they aren't rescuing that beardie, they're just sentencing 2 more to the same fate while giving the company that abuses them money. If they don't buy it, they aren't contributing to sales and they'll be less likely to increase stock.
Here's another example of what I'd consider too large. The breeder had her on small rats, so I decided to give it a go and see how they looked on her, assuming she was big enough if that's what she was being fed, but she's rather distended. That entire portion is her bulge, from saddle 9 to saddle 13, and she looks really round and distended. I'm planning on dropping her down to weaned rats, which she should outgrow quickly.
>>2157778
Multiple reasons. I bet it's mostly to stop people from buying multiple female snakes and leaving the breeder with extra males.
>>2157836
> If they don't buy it, they aren't contributing to sales and they'll be less likely to increase stock.
pretty much yeah
I'll most likely just wait it out for a while, he'll eventually get big enough theyll separate him and then offer to adopt him out
the other problem is space, I don't really have anywhere I can stick a 40breeder or even a 20 long right now
>>2157059
Take his credit card and do what you have to do anon
>>2157835
Looks like a rat snake to me
Which is the better beginner day gecko?
Gold dust or Giant?
>>2157258
Well they are currently in separate tanks, because I've only had the wood turtle for two weeks so its in quarantine. Both are juveniles so they aren't permanent enclosures anyway.
The box turtle is in a 40gal tank and the wood turtle is in a 20gal tank which I modified with some silicone sealant and lexan plexiglass to make a water section.
I'm still planning their future enclosure, probably a large rubbermaid tub
>>2157251
I would just buy online from a breeder.
>>2157960
Giant. Not that the differences are major or anything. Just with geckos the larger species tend to be slightly more forgiving. Sometimes a little more relaxed too, but that isn't always the case. I like the personality of the grandis better than the laticauda.
>>2157059
Give this a shot to remove some of the stuck shed.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mSuirE906p0
Anyone here own White's frogs?
they look really dumb and I love them
>>2157814
Thanks for the input. I bought a box of desert grasshoppers from a local petstore, they are pretty expensive, so I guess I'll start breeding them. I can post a pictture later, my younger female ate 3 of them immediately, but she needed a few attemps when trying to catch them.
>>2157836
Is it ok to feed boas their recommended meals and slow down once they start getting "too big"?
I mean, they can live months without food, it wouldn't really be starving them, would it?
>>2158123
Define slow down
I'd say it's perfectly fine to feed them a large meal every 14-20 days or so once they're adults, I mean as long as it doesn't get skinny it should be fine
The once every 7-10 thing is mostly for non adults/breeders
>>2157624
Cuz a lot of people that buy reptiles want to breed their own so say you get a pair of mojave balls or maybe piebalds or w.e you're good to go and reproducing, you usually get a pretty good price too, maybe they'd offer a pair of mixes too for more fun but I don't know that on the top of my head
Generally speaking females are more valuable and sought after so there's usually an abundance of males left from the litter (the lesser good looking males are the hardest to get rid of) so selling a pair means you get a good price for your nice looking female and you get a quick buck on the male too without having to worry about caring for it
>>2158213
Slowing down as in controlling how big they get through feeding.
>>2158317
Nope. Do not attempt to stunt the growth of your boa. You don't want a snake that can get as big as they do, do not get boa. The goal must always be correct nutrition, correct and healthy growth rate, healthy and long living snek.
>>2158341
Will do :l
I'm just afraid the tank won't be as long usable. Originally I bought it as last enclosure for the boa.
Oh well
>>2158349
Just remember that in adopting an animal, you have an obligation to give it the happiest, coziest life possible. That animal could have thrived just fine in nature, but you took it in for your own pleasure, which means you owe it an extraordinary life.
>>2158353
Yes, you're right.
I've read that an 150cmx80cmx60cm tank would suffice for a ~2m boa, is this legit?
>>2157978
I'm really sorry anon :(
>>2158063
I don't but have read they're one of the easiest tree frog species to care for.
>>2158123
Yeah you definitely want to slow down.
Birth - 1 year: 7-14 days
1-3 years: 10-21 days
3+ years: 4-6 weeks
Adult should only be eating once a month, and no more than every 3 weeks at the absolute most often. 4 weeks is better.
If you feed a boa over 1 year every 7 days that is overfeeding, so definitely start spacing feeding out.
>>2158317
Now this is unethical. There's a difference between feeding conservatively, which gives them a more natural growth and underfeeding them to try to keep them small.
You're not going to keep your boa small, it will get to the size it's genes dictate, all you're doing is starving it in the meantime.
If you weren't prepared for the possibility of the snake getting over 6' you shouldn't have gotten the boa. You have 4+ years to get a bigger enclosure, you really don't need to worry about getting another enclosure for a long time.
>>2158356
As long as the Length+Width is equal to or greater than the snake's length, yes. I would give an adult a minimum of an enclosure 2' wide (60.96 cm).
Rescue dragon I picked up a few years ago.
His name if Flump
Question.
Would a human experience any affect from being exposed to a 100W mercury bulb for a long period of time? As it acts as an artificial source of UV and heat for reptiles, does it have the same affect on a human?
>>2158474
yes UV radiation is UV radiation
here's my blue tongue Quintus
>>2158474
Is this a real question ?
Does lighting an animal on fire affect them the same it would if you lit a human on fire?
>>2158356
1 square foot groundspace per foot of snake is also a good metric.
Out the door when keeping arboreal, but if you're handling one of those, you should already know your shit in general.
>>2158460
hi flump
>>2158460
that's a pretty good flump
We relaxing on heatmat
>>2158649
I find LengthxWidth to be insufficient, there's no reason to be housing a 12' snake in a 6'x2' or an 8' snake in a 4'x2'. Unless you're meaning another method? That's usually what people tend to refer to when they say "1 sq ft per ft of snake."
I honestly prefer a length that equals the snake's length, but not everyone feels the same way and making sure the snake can at least stretch out should be a minimum. With LengthxWidth, the snake stretches along at least 3 sides of the enclosure. That hardly gives them any room whatsoever. Snakes have muscles, muscles can become cramped if they're not allowed to stretch fully, and snakes aren't rocks, they don't sit in one spot 24/7 unless something is off about their husbandry. Excessive activity is another problem, but they should be moving around during times appropriate for their species.
alot of people say chameleons dont enjoy handling, but my cham is never scared of my hand and actually climbs onto it when i put her on a tree outside, am i doing something wrong?
>>2158460
Hello Flumpo
>>2158514
Cool dude right there.
>>2158698
Love seeing Charlie! I can't get over his cute fat legs
Here's Harvey relaxing in his cool guy tube
>>2158734
I think its a good rule of thumb for absolute MINIMUM. I do agree, more space == best. Especially vertical space. I really like making use of vertical space, so I'm slowly shifting my snakes to 24" minimum (more like 18" because I'm also taking the time to do planted bioactive and make backgrounds/ledges so the snake can utilize the vertical space.)
I imagine the very long snakes make things even squigglier; I'm sticking to things 6' or shorter. A ball python is going to go into my current 4x2x2 that I'm working on. My first strike at making a background and planting it, so I'm hoping I don't fuck up /too/ much.
>>2158742
I'm considering redoing his tank, but maybe even building a new tank
Here's Cain chilling on my shirt
can you guess why he's called that
>>2158798
because he killed his brother
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bno-qsnbUA
>tfw no giant lizard pet
>>2158734
I do length + width not x
so a 12 foot snake would want a 6x6 or 8x4
I would use a 6x2 for an 8 footer
>>2158341
This.
>>2158798
cause he's a war hero and can't lift his arms above his chest?
Sup /herp/, im going to upgrade my geck from papertowels to actual stone like pic related. But the problem is, I cant fucking find these things in a tan color, because my gek is tan, his hide is tan, his water dish is tan, ect ect.
I found this
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003M86FXI/ref=gp_aw_ybh_a_5?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=XY9J4VENWTP58TWJK28G
But it does not give me a guarantee that they will be tan. Where the fuck can I find tan slab stone tile things online? And what are they called so I can stop searching "Stone slab tile"
I want to hold a boa in a 4ft11 x 2ft7 tank.
How long can I hold him in there i.e. At which point should I really get a bigger enclosure for him?
Sorry as English isn't my native language
This is the boa I'm getting (the grey one on top), would you say his weight is fine?
>>2158967
If you can find one of the dwarf boa localities, that would also hold up better.
>>2158998
Forgot pic
>>2158960
you're looking for ceramic or slate floor tiles.
>>2158998
Looks healthy to me.
Alright /herp/. I am getting a baby leopard gecko. Give me the skinny on this set-up, where did I fuck up, etc. Right side is heated by a pad, left side is not. Tupperware is a moist hide, and I have other hides on each side. What are your thoughts?
>>2159217
Also I know some people have claimed that Sphagnum moss can cause impaction. In this case I shredded the moss in the hide by hand to very small pieces.
The leopard gecko is about 6-7 months old. I want to live feed it - should I do crickets or mealworms? I also have some calcium supplement.
>>2159221
I would also recommend dubia roaches if they are legal in your area, along with crickets and mealworms.
>>2159217
If you don't have one, get a small bowl with smooth sides for the mealworms.
>>2159235
>I dont know if leo's actually use lizard hammocks though
They certainly will and seem to enjoy climbing on them occasionally. It'll be on and off though. Couple months it'll be their favorite thing to do, another couple months they won't touch it. OP, you can connect the third suction cup of the hammock to one of the side walls so it's a bit off the floor. Leos are quite capable of the climbing required.
>>2159246
Yep, check in small animal section of the pet store where the stuff for hamsters and guinea pigs is. They will have nice small glass bowls with sides about 1 inch high and are perfect for holding things like mealworms.
>>2159313
Okay! Thanks for the help guys its much appreciated. I had the net hung in case the little guy needed help climbing into the dish, but once he figures it out Ill hang it up all normal like. Going to get him soon, will post pictures later!
>>2159360
Here's Apollo! He's still wandering around, getting used to things. I fed him over fifteen minutes and he ate 7 mealworms! But for the most part he seems to enjoy hanging out in his heated hide.
Are there any large, active forum communities for reptiles? Something like Reef Central for example.
does anyone have that picture of a bearded dragon with black leather boots on? weird thing to request, I know. But I've seen it on here before.
>>2159477
faunaclassifieds probably
I'd spoiler this but there aren't any on /an/: tumblr has a pretty large herpetoculture community if you can filter out the retards
I think my beardie's eyes are hurting from the UVB.
Should I buy a regular UVB bulb and stop using my MVB? it's a baby btw
What plants woud be good for a Giant day gecko viv?
>>2159598
What is beardy doing that makes you think that?
>>2159892
Pothos and bromeliads work well. Do a search on 'gecko safe plants' for more.
>>2159902
Try Sanseveria, Alocasia, wandering jew
Maybe a sturdy species of fern, just listing off things that did well in my viv, never had a gecko though so I dont know how abusive they are to plants.
Also maybe check out some airplants and find somewhere where you can mount them without them getting messed with.
>>2159942
Geckos tend to trample their plants so generally you want something with reasonably sturdy roots that wont dislodge from a 50g gecko jumping on to it.
>>2159901
she sometimes shuts her eye and reopens it
>>2160064
well you can certainly switch to conventional UV light if you wish. i'm not certain what you're seeing is discomfort though.
Does anyone else have a ball python that goes full retard when they're hungry?
>thaw rat
>open tank, she explodes out of her hide
>hold rat up with tongs
>she like goes over the top of it and strikes in the general direction of her CHE instead
>gets mad, strikes an misses again this time hitting the humidity gauge
>finally hits and wraps it on the return path
Thinking about getting a license for a bush viper, anyone have experience with them? It will be my first snake
>>2160245
tell me where you live, so I can read the obituary
>>2160248
Iol that bad huh?
>>2160245
Obligatory: Don't get hots as your first snake
>>2160248
Well a bush viper bite or two won't kill a person
>>2160244
Sometimes snakes are derpy, but there are some Ball Python morphs with known neurological issues that can exacerbate this. Spider is the biggest one I remember off the top of my head.
You can also try holding the food closer to the ground- snakes sometimes do better striking down at prey rather than up at it. Holding it by the midsection/shoulders with tongs rather than by the tail can also help.
Anyone here familiar with Sphaerodactylus geckos?
>>2160244
Try heating the rat up in hot water for two minutes right before offering to snake. They tend to prioritize their heat sensing labial pits when striking prey, which is why she redirected to the hottest source (the che) initially. Then got confused.
>>2160245
Do not get a venomous snake as your first.
>>2157835
Black Rat Snek
So /herp/ whats the best way to go about heating a custom snake enclosure?
Planning on making a 4x4x4 out of either plywood or melamine
I live in louisiana so it wont need to be much most of the year considering my herp room is generally 75 at its lowest and 78-82 during the day
>>2160707
Radiant heat panel from proproducts or reptile basics is what I've usually come across. I'm using one in a 4x2x2 I'm working on.
Does anyone have any tips or recommendations on how to put my leopard gecko back in his house after I have to take him out safely?
He's completely fine when I have to take him out and doesn't freak out or anything but as soon as I have to put him in and he sees his house he starts getting antsy and he'll fly off my hand the second he's over it while it's still up in the air. I had a close call tonight with him almost overshooting it but I managed to get a hold of him and get him in.
Is there something I can do to calm him? Or should I get like a carrier type thing for him like a dog or cat?
He's perfectly fine once he gets in and pokes his head out and is happy but he's fallen once and I don't want that to happen again.
>>2160767
you're gonna either have to block his vision or just keep a tighter grip on him
>>2159414
Okay so I just got back home and found that apollo may have bitten a chunk of carrot out of the mealworm dish. He seems fine now, perked up and walked around when I came in. Should I not be keeping a carrot in there (it was for the mealworms)? What about the calcium supplement? Both of those were tips from other forums but now I'm concerned. Took em out for now and just left several mealworms, which he gobbled up quickly.
>>2160802
That's fine. It will do no harm. Keeping a bit of carrot in the dish is a good idea as it keeps the mealworms active and moving. I put one single chunk of carrot in that is much too large for the gecko to accidentally swallow. Works well.
Yes, dust your mealworms with calcium.
>>2160767
Hold one hand in front of his face while you put him in.
Don't grab as the other another anon suggested. Not necessary and that's also a good way to cause your gecko to drop its tail.
Can someone tell me what it means when a bearded dragon inflates the skin around their eyes? I just saw my dragon do it for the second time, the last time he did it was a couple months ago.
He's shedding right now, so maybe he's trying to get the old skin around his eyes to come off?
>>2161024
my gecko sometimes seems to "puff up" his skin during shed too, I am not sure if it's the same for bds though, because they don't shed in one piece
Ferocious cave dragon
>>2161220
Now that is fuckin cute
Yo any snek experts here can help me out? We have this 'captive bred' gopher snake at our visitor center but she doesn't like to be touched so I was wondering what the best method to acclimate her to people would be? Pic related is her hissing just from me trying to take a photo
>>2161220
>>2161272
touching her
if she bites you don't put her down or back away, that will reinforce that striking drives you away
>>2161300
start out slow, like 5-10 minutes every couple days then slowly increase the frequency of days and time held
there's no real way to tell how long it will take for her acclimate
