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>FUCKING GOOGLE-
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1st for meme balls a best
>Watching king of DIY on youtube
>Talks about how he made $20k breeding discus but a lot of it went to pay tax
Why would you need to pay tax on private sales?
>>2099359
federal income taxes.
if you make $20k from self employment you pay the normal income tax rate of about 15% plus self employment tax of another 15%, so about 1/3 of what you make owning a business goes straight to the government for taxes.
>>2099362
So why do I keep 100% of the money when I sell a 20k car?
>>2099363
because you presumably paid more than 20k for the thing to begin with, so you actually lost money. You don't owe taxes on money you lost.
if you got the car for 10k and sold it for 20k then you would owe taxes.
>>2099367
I usually sell uses cars for the same price I purchased them for since I keep then about a year and by classics.
I've never paid tax on a car sale.
I've also never paid tax on any private sale on anything.
>>2099359
That's in Canada. Sell your fish and don't say shit and you're golden. Your average citizen isn't going be watched unless you're dealing in drugs, laundering, and spending tons of cash when they can't find a source of income.
>>2099368
>I usually sell uses cars for the same price I purchased them for since I keep then about a year and by classics.
not really a problem unless you're itemizing your taxes and depreciating the cars before you sell them.
>I've also never paid tax on any private sale on anything
you probably don't need to. You only owe taxes if you make more than $500/year off of those sales and even then in most cases it's an honor system whether or not you report the income since the government has no way of knowing if you made money or not.
But if you're making over $20k a year selling discus you can be sure you'll owe taxes and the government will very likely be aware of what you're doing.
why must you fucking faggots make a new thread when i just posted my shit
how 2 keep diatom levels down aside from manual cleaning? is it impossible when using sand?
>>2099353
I just watched one of my Kuhli Loach go stiff and start shaking, he's a lot paler than he was yesterday, what's happening? Is there any way to prevent it from happening again?
>>2099378
he is dying
>>2099371
They won't be aware unless you're out flaunting it and going crazy with the money. People do this all the time on Craigslist and other sites and rarely get in trouble unless you have a past or someone snitches.
>>2099382
that's not how they become aware.
usually it's because a client 1099's you.
>>2099381
The others seem healthy.
Though ever since I brought this one home he's been different from the others.
>>2099388
.....the others are not dying
he has some disease or parasite, suggest immediate removal and euthanization.
>>2099389
God damn it, he was my favourite
>>2099383
I mean if you're doing this all from home.
>>2099398
clients will still 1099 you, home-based businesses still have to pay taxes.
take one example, say I own an aquarium maintenance business and you're breeding discus at home. I buy $1200 worth of your discus last year. I need to write that purchase off as an expense, and since it was fish or livestock that means I have to submit a form 1099 to you and the IRS in order to write it off. So the IRS already knows you've sold at least $1200 worth of fish and decide to audit you. They check your bank accounts and suddenly you owe a shitload in new taxes and possibly jail time.
You can't necessarily avoid this by just not selling to businesses, lots of private individuals write off their aquariums on their taxes as well. A sole-proprietor with a discus tank in their office could very well 1099 you too.
and if you're selling to thousands of customers you can be pretty certain at least one of them is reporting the purchase on their taxes. Probably hundreds of them.
>>2099389
He's being acting normal now. If he does it again I'll feed him to my turtle.
>>2099402
I've been breeding and selling for years. No ones reported a $20 purchase lol
>>2099440
sure.
you're not netting $20k a year doing it though.
>>2099376
My sand tank is three years old and still gets diatoms. Can you not jsyt get another snail?
>>2099442
25,000 give or take with other things
>>2099402
They can't submit a 1099 to me if they can't find me holmes.
>>2099402
>>2099478
Keep your mouth shut ese
I bought some Java fern from petco. It seems like they tied it together in a bunch. Can I remove it? Or does it grow like that?
>>2099320
>>2099324
Here are some smaller fish that are stupid easy to take care of and will do well without a heater (temps above 60F).
Guppies - Should be very hardy, but a lot of the fancy ones in stores seem to have been inbred to hell and die easily. Feeders are hardier, but they aren't well cared for and may be carrying diseases.
Endlers - Much hardier tham guppies IME. might be a bit harder to find.
Platies - Excellent in every way
Mollies - Hit and miss. Tend to be susceptible to certain diseases like ich. I wouldn't suggest them.
Least killifish - Small and unassuming. Very easy to care for.
Those are all livebearers, so if you get males and females together, you're bound to end up with babies. A ten gallon tank is enough for the four or five you want to keep, and if you keep an all male group you won't have to worry about babies.
White cloud mountain minnows and zebra danios will also do well without a heater, but they're schooling fish and should be kept in a group of five of the same species, which limits your options for diversity.
Cherry shrimp, ghost shrimp, Amano shrimp, nerite snails, mystery snails, and African dwarf frogs are also options.
>>2099502
Cut the string and separate it into individual plants.
Let's start a aquarium kik group
>>2099512
Just did! Got 3 plants out of it and one that was growing on the leaf I accidentally knocked off. It has 4 leaves and decent size. Is the little one going to die? Tied it to driftwood along with the others.
>>2099520
It should be fine. As long as there's some rhizome, roots, and two or more leaves, the plants have a pretty high survival rate. They can technically grow back even if there are no leaves, but I've never been successful with that.
>>2099517
stack is better
>>2099476
then you've gotten away with felony tax evasion and maybe fraud.
the IRS has 7 years from the time of your crime to catch you. They probably won't, but you never know.
>>2099478
actually they can.
there's a little spot on the form for 1099'ing people who didn't give you their info.
The IRS knows where to find people.
Caught a shot I like, though I could do without the turd hanging out in the moss.
How's this one? Lfs is willing to let me take photos of there stock and won't to produce at least half decent photos. Only using a phone. Any good apps for great image correcting without making the colors fucked?
>>2099580
L200 with acara creeping in the background
>>2099587
Congo puffer lurking in the sand.
>>2099517
>gf finds out i use kik
"babe its for this shitty aquarium i care about more than you!"
>now dont have gf :)
>>2099569
Don't worry bout me bro. I have a real job as well and don't do stupid shit with side money. I just let it stack till I'm ready to quit my jobs. Shits gonna be tighter than a Taiwanese hooker.
>get 20gal tank with everything included for $20
>buy $30 stand
>looks pretty kewl family
>disappointed in the size when I set it up
>discover I can't put many fish in it
>bae wants little fish, I want one big fish
>can't come to terms wit it
>am about to get a 55 gallon off craigslist and reseal it
>>2099587
>>2099589
tl;dr I'm jelly of ur fishies
>>2099590
Yeah same here. I used it to get nudes and my girlfriend saw I had it downloaded and for curious.
>>2099592
55 is a good starting point. My l200 is in my 55 for now he's 6.5 inches. The Congo puffer is in a 20 long. The most aggressive puffer in the world.
>>2099591
I'm not worried about you, I'm explaining why someone that makes $20k selling discus would pay a huge chunk of that to taxes.
the other cool thing about that guy is he can actually prove he made that $20k, since he documented it and paid his taxes on it. You can brag about making more than that and nobody has any reason to believe you.
this is particularly useful if you want to borrow money. It really helps if your income isn't illegal and hidden in your sock drawer or whatever. And really if you're willing to go to prison for fraud you'd be better off claiming that income, paying taxes on it, then getting a loan from the bank for a yacht or something and running off with it.
the prison time is about the same.
>>2099607
Just last year I made 15k
Found this earlier on /g/, thought you guys might find it interesting.
>>2099608
that's pretty impressive, I guess?
I dunno, I'm not really the one to brag to about money.
>>2099630
I breed women though and sell the offspring
>>2099287
>most aquarium lights are way brighter than the natural habitats
Yea, you're shitty aqueon strip is brighter than the sun.
You should feel bad for even saying that, you retarded piece of shit
>>2099464
the betta attacks the snail 24/7, he's the most aggressive betta i've ever seen toward anything in his tank. when i feed him he hits the pellets so hard he bursts out of the water like a great white.
>>2099637
Should probably take your trip off since you bring nothing to these threads.
>>2099637
he's right though.
aquariums have less depth, turbidity and shade than most fish are used to.
his lights aren't brighter than the sun, but they probably are brighter than a lot of wild fish prefer or are used to.
>>2099478
>they can't submit a 1099 if I'm a liar that lives in my mommys basement and doesn't have a real job
Fixed that for you,
>>2099511
Wccms and zebrafish are not schooling fish in the fucking slightest
Stop giving shitty advice you dumb prick
>>2099642
>less shade
That's an easy cop out but I'm definitely willing to bet a shaded river gets more light than your plebeian aqueon set-up.
>>2099653
It's time to read a book, kid.
>>2099655
I'd take your bet and win if you were anywhere I could collect.
I don't really have an aqueon set-up though.
I just have some crappy LED from China that produces more PAR than the average tropical reef gets on a sunny summer day.
>watching tankd and they don't cycle the aquariums at all or acclimate the fish
>>2099659
they get paid shitloads of many to make aquariums, they don't give a fuck if the fish end up dead in a week
>>2099659
the fish are usually the cheapest part of a setup like that.
disposable even. you just plan on replacing them, it's part of the cost.
>>2099580
>Only using a phone.
Cool. What phone?
>>2099592
>reseal
a 55? not worth it.
>>2099670
why not?
if he seals over the old stuff it'll cost him about $3.78 and take maybe ten minutes.
If I were to start my own tank, how viable is this set up?
Obviously I would go bigger than the ten gallon they're in
I really like the golden killifish we have, and the Colombian tetras are pretty neat too
any suggestions for other fish that could go in there? maybe something a little more colorful and/or a bottom fish?
>>2099655
almost no 2 foot deep river lake or stream is as clear as my aquarium water, and with no clouds or rotation of my "sun" im almost 100% sure my tank gets more light than any shaded river youve seen.
>>2099646
I know you're just a blithering bumbledouche, but go ahead and try to justify this, bellend.
>>2099644
Ahh the Europeans are awake! That's why they these threads turn to shit around this time.
We somehow ended up with this cichlid? in our feeder goldfish tank.
No one knows where it came from, and it doesn't match any of the other fish we stock.
>>2099688
Looks like some kind of bass
>>2099693
different anon here.
that's what I came up with too.
What should I do with my tank? Want to get some plant for a carpet but would a c02 rig even be worth it in a 3 gal tank? ive been thinking of upgrading to a 7.5 gallon for a while
>8 RCS (started with 5)
>2 cory cats
>2 starter fish
>3 Zebra Nerite Snail
right now i've got 0 nitrates, N03 of 25, and 6.5 ph
>>2099688
PetSmart employee here. We get tadpoles, crayfish, perch, and mosquitofish in with our feeder shipments from time to time. They get into the stock at the farms and nobody there is going to bother to filter them out.
You should take it home.
>>2099702
>can bass even be that small?
they start life pretty tiny.
>>2099699
>3 gal tank
>2 cory cats
>2 starter fish
>>2099706
ive had the starters since ive established my tank and they started grey but have gotten a lot of color. plus shrimp have almost no bio load and i watch and make sure everyone can eat. My nitrates are low and ph is in order too so i dont think there will be an overload. i also do frequent water changes
>>2099708
Corys need lots of room to swim
>>2099708
your tank looks fine, I wouldn't worry about it.
if you're planning on upgrading I'd go with the biggest tank you can afford and keep up with.
a 20 is nice, but a 200 is nicer. whatever's practical though. you'll probably decide a 7.5 is too small eventually and end up going bigger anyways. most people do. you can skip some steps and go big asap.
>>2099511
>60F
That would be 15.5C.
Thing is, in winter it could go down to about 10C and up to 20C summer.
Will they still be fine?
I went to the pet shop on my way home today to ask few questions.
Lady said that for unheated tank goldfish would be the best fit.
However she also said that 2-3 goldfishes can live in 25L tank without much problem.
Isnt this a bit too small?
Anyway, I may be able to get 120L tank dirt cheap.
Just one glass plane broken, I have some spare ones in my basement.
Fixing it will be interesting.
>>2099671
>>2099670
I'd be resealing a 55gal for $50 with stand included off craigslist. If that guy falls through I have another guy with another 55gal that doesn't need resealing for $100 negotiable with a shit ton of everything which I might just get instead.
>>2099597
>good starting point
thanks, I thought so too. bae thinks the 20gal is fine, he doesn't know he might come home to a 55. he didn't even know about the 20gal until he got home last night and it was all set up.
>>2099663
I know those idiots from ATC we order tanks from them including my own tank at home. Which I sold becuase fuck cleaning acrylic.
My boss who been in the business since the late 50's pretty much told me that they never used to act so cringey it's just now for that retarded reality show. Their whole mantra isnt to have the best aquarium only the largest and most extravagant tanks. They aren't a service company their main business is tank manufacturing. 3rd party lfs take care if the maintenance.
>>2099837
Cont'
Discovery actually at first came to us to pitch a show, becuase we do installs and service on huge tanks for very wealthy and high level clients and have been doing so for decades on the east coast. However I think that my boss who despite being rich as fuck is pretty modest and didn't really like the fact like most shit on Discovery Channel is made for idiots to watch.
I think my blue acara murdered a male guppy. Any one else seen this? The acara is around 5cm
>>2099659
Hue, Tanked is literally the worst
>no cycling
>just chuck the fish straight in
>axolotls, mollies and discus in the same tank
>that one episode where they literally put sharks and crocodiles in a small ass tank and the advice they gave was "Eh, just get rid of 'em when they get too big"
If you look up what happened to any of the tanks that they build after the show, all the fish die and the tank just gets scraped within a few weeks
Also:
>acrylic
>shitty plastic coral
Maximum cringe
>>2099831
Just get the other 55. At $50 it's not worth the reseal.
>gravel
>fake plants
>only 4 cory cats
>20 gallon tank
Does this make you upset?
>>2099708
First, I didn't mention anything about the inverts. They're fine, but you will find absolutely no legitimate sources that recommend keeping cories in a group of two, or in a microscopic 3 gallon tank. Not even a 7.5 gallon tank. Some sources are a bit more liberal with recommendations for WCMMs, but you're still going to have a very difficult time justifying it.
Fish aren't trinkets. They have multiple basic needs you need to consider before getting them. Get a 20 gallon tank.
>>2099895
Personally I think they are suffering so extremely and I'm a horrible and terrible fish owner for making them live in this condition.
>>2099678
Shoaling is not the same as schooling, at all. Fucking peabrain
>>2099708
>nitrates are low and ph is in order too
Kek
>>2099800
Does your house get to 10C? Most fish adapted to temperatures that low are quite large. Fathead minnows may work, but they're quite dull (solid gray or pink). Rainbow shiners would work, but I don't know how hardy they are, or if you'd ever be able to find some. Try looking into small native fish where you live.
Goldfish are the go-to suggestion for cold water tanks because they're ubiquitous and extremely cheap. There's hot debate over tank size requirements for goldfish, but keeping common goldfish in a 25 liter tank would most likely severely stunt their growth and they'd be unlikely to reach their 25 year life expectancy.
Two fantail goldfish in a 120 liter tank would be easy enough to maintain, and the fish would be unlikely to be stunted, given regular maintenance. Having two fish in such a large tank may sound very limited, but even fantail goldfish can be expected to reach 8 inches (20 cm) and live for 15 years.
Does anyone else have irrational fears of their aquarium stand breaking?
I live on the 3rd floor in an apartment building and I just have this constant fear in the back of my mind that a wooden leg to my tank stand is going to shatter or buckle under the weight and dump 30 gallons of water all over the floor.
Then I would have to run around collecting all the towels and blankets I have to soak the water up and then go get the manager and I would probably just end up killing myself.
Anyone else have this fear?
>>2099900
If it isn't a 20 long you should lull yourself
>>2099908
A trip who spends 24 hours on this board. Nice. /Aq/ now has its own version of bugguy and he's banned for good.
>>2099915
Heck no it's a 20 gallon tall for max ultra suffering.
>>2099914
30 gallons isn't anything
>>2099920
Seriously though if you don't understand why they have minimum requirements you should probably take the entire tank and throw it in the trash and leave the hobby for good. Sure Pygmy corys are fine but most corys will reach 2-3 inches and utilize every inch of a tank so 30 gallons is the minimum requirement. They are fine for now but if you aren't willing to upgrade there quality of life it shows how low quality your life is m8.
Hey Vayeate, check your email. Sorry, I haven't checked it recently and just now saw your email
>>2099839
A girl at the LFS I work at has been approached by animal planet as well for a TV show. She's heavily involved in animal rescue and has a sort of modern hippy/edgy/macabre vibe that apparently they thought would be good on TV.... She didn't want to have anything to do with it and basically grossed the producers out to the point that they left her alone.... What'd she do? She presented them with mummified squirrels she had pulled out of a heater in someones house. Sidenote: The squirrels are actually pretty cool looking
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Really need to get a gas outflow pipe
>>2099914
Insurance would cover the damage.
And the only way that would happen is if someone kicks the leg of the stand that it's on, hard enough to dislodge it. It won't break on just the weight of the tank, if it hasn't already (assuming you don't soak the legs in water every time you do a water change, which could weaken the legs). I always keep my tanks of top of large tables, like desks and dressers so it's never a problem.
>>2099933
....gas outflow pipe?
>>2099935
*glass
Anybody have any experience with using native plants. I have alot of personal wetland areas that i could pull from for my new setup
>>2099914
Not really. Both of my stands are metal and seem to be rock-solid. The one I got from Petco seems to be especially tough. The other one I got from Dr. Fosters and it's a bit more rickety but far from worrisome.
>>2099936
Ah, that makes much more sense.... Idk, I like the black better, if it's clear you'll likely get a shit ton of algae growth in there. You can get clear rubber pipes fairly cheap at home depot
>>2099941
Yea, I tried to put a whole ton in my 55g planted tank back when it was running, but they all melted. I assume it was because the temperature was so much higher than the lake and river water.
>>2099945
Thats what im thinking may happen, if anything ill give it a try, cant turn down such an abundant free resource
>>2099933
You really need to do a water change
>>2099950
Why? I did a water change 2 days ago
>>2099944
Just thought of that while I was browsing ebay. Instead of spending $30 on some glass pipe I've just ordered some $4 clear PVC tubing.
>>2099914
I've got 20 gallons sitting on the plywood stand it came on.
It's worrying because it's cot no triangulation or cross bracing whatsoever. It's just a plywood rectangle which is a fundamentally weak structure.
>>2099908
i get my water tested every week lol so what's your point? i literally told you my water chemistry
>>2099963
Cories and fish for the most part just shouldn't be kept in tanks that small. There are a few exceptions, but those fish are more difficult to keep for other reasons as well. They just don't have enough room, and will die young because of it. Shrimp are totally fine however, and you could easily have 50+of those in a tank that size. That's what I would do anyways. Much more color that way, and the red shrimp just contrast the green so well.
>>2099963
>i get my water tested every week
>get
You mean at the pet store with the paper strips? Those are stupid inaccurate. I used Tetra paper strips and the API liquid kit on the same tank at the same time and they were 20 and 60, respectively.
Besides, if you think nitrates are the only thing people take into consideration when suggesting tank sizes, you're severely undereducated on the matter.
>>2099973
idk ive got a pretty good pet store in my area, clark feed and seed if it means anything, they use a water chemical method
>>2099969
ill see if someone with a bigger tank could take them off my hands, they seem to be doing well; plenty of movement non damaged whiskers ect and i see that theyre eating
>>2099906
The terms are used interchangeably in aquaria because the differences are of no practical consequence in small tanks. But you'd know that if you were actually involved in aquaria and not just a shitposter at a Beninese oobleck appreciation society.
>>2099895
>Does this make you upset?
>>gravel
No
>>fake plants
No
>>only 4 cory cats
Only because they're different species
>>20 gallon tank
Widely recommended as a minimum for cories.
Stop trolling for idiots.
>>2099976
>ill see if someone with a bigger tank could take them off my hands
ignore these guys, you're doing fine. Your fish are alive, healthy and happy. You give them to someone with a bigger tank and they'll probably wind up killing them.
>>2099981
Stop enabling Anon, Anon.
>>2099977
They're not interchangeable at all. Rummynose tetras will swim together in a line or a pack - schooling.
Zebra danios will hang out around each other but they will never swim together in a coordinated manner because they aren't schooling fish, they're Shoaling.
You'd know this if you ever had a tank bigger than your marineland 20 gallon starter kit
>>2099881
Well as I said before they really aren't an lfs or a service company. They build tanks and to give credit they are really good tanks and their prices for standard demension tanks are really hard to beat. They don't really do much else after the tanks are installed which is the most important part.
They have other companies do the actual service and livestock. But yeah it is pretty shitty how they just toss fish in. Though I would bet most of the fish they do put in survive only becuase of the super heavy FOWLR filtration setups they use, even without a "kosher" cycle.
>>2099987
vayeate, check your email.
I really love black water tanks. So I started mine with a couple feeder gold fish to cycle the tank. One died because it ate gravel. The other is super sickly and lays on the bottom of the tank a lot. I've been feeding him broccoli and bloodworms. He's tripled in size since I got him, but he's still laying on the bottom of the tank sometimes.
Anyway, I'm thinking kuhli loaches, leopard danios and I want something flashy. Maybe I'll put a betta in there too. What do you guys think? If the goldfish survives, he can stick around too. I'm kinda attached to the stupid thing now.
BTW, it's planted, has drift wood and also has dead leaves on the bottom. Proper black water tank in the making.
>>2099997
>black water tank
>not stocking with South American fish
>>2099977
30 gallons is minimum recommended for corys universally
>Talk about aquariums at work
>People always give the same response "Yeah I had an aquarium once but I got tired of the water going green constantly"
How do you even fail at aquariums this badly? I've only been into aquariums a year but I've never had green water.
>>2099984
>They're not interchangeable
>reading comprehension
That's not what I said. I said that they're used interchangeably in the context of private aquarium keeping because in that context, the practical implications of each are the same, namely that they should be stocked in large groups of conspecifics. At best you're arguing about semantics, which is a trademark of autists and trap lovers.
>You'd know this if you ever had a tank bigger than your marineland 20 gallon starter kit
Uh-huh. It's been so good of you to prove your credibility by showing us what you've accomplished.
>>2100013
If enough people are too retarded to know what schooling means it doesn't mean that non-schooling fish do indeed school.
>>2100006
>universally
You must have a very strange sense of what the word "universal" means.
http://aquariadise.com/caresheet-bronze-corydoras/
http://aquariumtidings.com/bronze-cory/
http://animal-world.com/encyclo/fresh/catfish/acory.php
http://www.theaquariumwiki.com/Corydoras_aeneus
http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/threads/a-good-article-on-corydoras.133206/
http://www.aquahobby.com/gallery/e_Bronze_Cory_Corydoras_aeneus.php
>>2100018
>arguing over semantics
>>2100006
>30 gallons...
ummm
So after 4 days of rescaping and experimenting I think I've finally got my tank how I want it.
>>2100030
Here's is what it looked like when I started
Can a nerite snail be dead and still stuck to the side of a tank? I've poked it with a stick and it's stuck on tight. But I don't see its mouth moving.
I actually think both my nerites have died. The first 5 minutes after bring added and the second 2 days after.
I don't get it ask my parameters are perfect and I've also added new fish which are fine.
>>2100035
Less is more.
With a full tank I couldn't create the illusion of scale.
>>2100020
>>2100028
Yes. It has been and always will be minimum 30 gallons or something 36 inch wide. If you can't comprehend or know anything about corys then you should not own. My school of corys utilize every last inch of my 55 gallon. If your corys become inactive and lots of resting you're doing something very wrong and not enough space. Please remove yourself from the planet if you aren't willing to give something that's normal life is in larger ponds, creeks, or rivers a decent life.
>>2100045
No copper as I have amanos. Only fertilise with macro nutrients.
First one was certainly dead, took it out and smelled it and it smelt foul. The jury is still out on whether the second one is dead.
I've read that dead ones shouldn't be attached to walls. Or would at least come loose when you poke them. This one is glued on strong.
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>>2100045
Are you sure, I always thought my old layout looked a mess.
I didn't know anything about composing scapes and just bunged a bunch of shit in there.
>Drop sinking food into tank for my shrimp, snails and catfish
>Other fish eat the food before they can get to it.
How do you prevent this?
>>2100051
Distract them with floating food
>betta near water's surface
>haven't fed specifically to him for awhile
>drop 3 pellets for him
>1 pellet drops on the substrate
>every amano is frenzied in looking for the remaining pellet
>two amanos ram into my betta on accident
>one amano finally found the pellet, runs over it and loses it
>only to then backtrack and eat it
greedy SHITS
>>2100055
My amanos have started catching flakes as they descend through the water and then swimming off to hide and eat them
![20160412_220129[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/W0cUB5H.jpg "20160412_220129[1].jpg")
Everyone in my tank is a greedy shit.
Slightly off camera are most of my fish trying to catch anything that breaks off the food in the current.
>>2100054
>premature death
>90% of the fish i keep from fishing are less than 2 years old and have a hook ripped from their gut and then suffocate in an empty bucket before i bring them home to cook
>my first cory cat to die was 8 years old and /aq/ said it died young
don't even bring up premature deaths
at this point /aq/ can fuck off with advice and just post more tank pictures and new aquatic money sinks
>>2100059
>get facts and advice
>gets triggered
>feels bad and tells everyone to fuck off
Vodka for your pains
>Did have 10 meme tetra 4 months ago
>Now have 3
>Never found any of their bodies
>>2100004
I was more thinking black water Indonesian since I like Indonesian fish best. Specifically Kuhli loaches. Everything for the freaking kuhli loaches. Everything else is just for show.
>>2100010
Green water is actually really cool. You can put daphnia eggs in there and then your fish can eat live daphnia. Which is one of the best food sources for fish. Green water is awesome.
>>2100067
Reeeee!
>>2100062
the 'facts and advice' i got was given to me 5 months ago when i told /aq/ that my 8 year old cory died and they jumped on my case for it's living condition much like everyone here is doing to the other cory cat owners
most of the people on /aq/ need to realize that there is a world outside of theri very own tank
Has anyone tried keeping these shrimp?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj84o8YvLaY
So really, give me thoughts and opinions on Indonesian black water tanks. Kuhli loaches definitely. I was thinking some sort of schooling or shoaling fish too. And also something flashy and exciting. Maybe a betta or a plakat
>>2100078
I was thinking something like leopard danios or galaxy raspboras. I wanted something spotted for the schooling fish.
Pretty new around here, which ones are meme tetras?
I know that meme balls are marimo, we sell them as "betta buddies" in store
>>2100073
Yes but there isn't for the fish. It's up to us the owners to give them adequate space and care.
>>2100078
Reeeee!!! Black water is South American! Reeeee!
>>2100088
The fuck is wrong with you? Black water can be found anywhere.
http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope_se_asia_pool.htm
>>2100087
Are they ok with acidic, swampy water? Peat moss, decaying leaves, drift wood, etc?
>>2100087
Actually, never mind. The loaches are adequate bottom feeders. I don't need anything that will compete with them.
>>2100090
No! Reeeee!
>>2100037
>illusion of scale
I wouldn't be worrying about that when you can see cords, filters, and drywall..
>>2100088
>Black water is South American! Reeeee!
black water is anyplace that has plants and water you fucking dork.
So I got an Otto
He's about an inch. Tiny little thing
Do you guys think he could live off the algae on the glass ? It's covered in algae
I hope he eats it all which is why I wanted one
And what would he eat as oppose to algae wafers ?
>>2100084
Neon Tetras
>>2100078
Kuli loaches
Peacock gobies
Maybe some species of rainbow fish, especially Madagascans, they love low pH
Flying fox or SAEs
Many barbs
Ricefish
Unfortunately, most Indonesian fish imported for sale are from the alkaline lakes and rivers, such as rainbow fish.
Danios require slightly cooler water than most Indonesian fish and also prefer a more neutral pH.
>>2100106
Otos are social fish and need groups of 3+. Preferably more than 5. Also, my otos lived fine off of pure algae and didn't require extra feeding, but if you want to feed him, blanched cucumber and algae wafers work fine.
>>2100103
Maybe you're retarded
>>2100022
So he actually is bugguy, then, right?
>>2100115
black water is just a phrase used to describe water conditions that have large amounts of tannin in them due to the leaching of plants and minerals
it is as simple as that
>>2100046
>It has been and always will be minimum 30 gallons
Nope. Never has been. Never will be. You're just making shit up.
>My school of corys utilize every last inch of my 55 gallon.
Almost any fish will "utilize every last inch" of any tank, no matter how big they are or the tank is. Doesn't mean it makes sense to berate people if they don't buy a 120 gallon tank for a school of microrasboras.
>>2100046
>if you aren't willing to give something that's normal life is in larger ponds, creeks, or rivers a decent life.
Dumbass argument. Your 55 gallon is nothing on any size pond, creek, or river.
They say geniuses choose green and the simpletons choose colorful things. Explains everything about saltwater keepers.
>>2100156
It always and will always be 30 gallons minimum. Don't try and justify putting fish in small tanks. It is a minimum requirement for a reason. It is your responsibility to give them the best you can. If you can't you shouldn't bother with that fish.
>>2100062
You can stop giving your "facts and advice" at this point, since you don't know shit.
>/aq/ devolving into cancer once again
>>2100156
>>lif you aren't willing to give something that's normal life is in larger ponds, creeks, or rivers a decent life.
>Dumbass argument. Your 55 gallon is nothing on any size pond, creek, or river.
Couldn't get that part huh? Let me make it simple. It is up to YOU to give something that lives in ponds, rivers, or creeks a decent life. Meaning give them the minimum requirement at least instead of jamming in 45 corys in a 10 gallon
>>2100123
>well versed in hasty google results
>no evidence of actual experience with aquariums
>passive aggressive and abrasive personality
It's a possibility.
>>2100160
Just like tumblrites and cucks. They refuse to listen to the truth and only want lies fed to them that they want to hear.
>>2100159
>It is a minimum requirement for a reason.
It's an unsupported minimum requirement dreamt up by an anonymous yokel on an obscure corner of an internet site that has little to do with fish care in the first place. And no matter how many times you repeat yourself, that's all your "requirement" ever will be, numpty.
>>2100162
Preach
>>2100166
It has always been a requirement. But keep cramming all those fish in that small tank because you have you don't care if they're unhealthy.
>>2100166
Uh m8 there's plenty to back that up. You just don't feel like getting a bigger tank with your gallon per inch rule.
So what I'm getting from this thread is its okay to cram fish that get 2-3 inches in a small tank but it isn't okay to put them in large tank because fish like room to swim.
>>2100174
>broken record
My own cories are in a 40 gallon tank btw.
>>2100178
>Uh m8 there's plenty to back that up.
I found two, from sites with reputations for giving gross overestimates on size recommendations.
>You just don't feel like getting a bigger tank with your gallon per inch rule.
This isn't about me, it's about the fish.
>>2100186
I have to be a broken record or you won't get that fish need room to swim. Plenty of people will agree 30 is minimum.
>>2100186
30-36 inch tank minimum is all I'm going to say.
>>2100183
What you should be getting is that some people think a 3 gallon tank is fine for 2-3 inch schooling fish, some think 20 gallons is adequate, and some believe that 30 gallons is an absolute minimum. Nobody has ever said that putting fish in a larger tank is worse for them. That's a shitty straw man and a third grade crafts session could have done better.
>>2100190
>strawman
At least a 3rd grader would be able to learn and use the word properly
>>2100188
>fish need room to swim
Not up for debate. Just your opinion is.
>>2100192
Are you implying that you lack a third grade education?
>>2099919
Bugguy got permabanned?
>>2100202
and good riddance
>>2100164
>hasty google results
My ass, you blathering dimtard
I've bred everything from apistos to zebrafish and have freshwater show tanks for American, African, and Asian ecotopes.
Meanwhile I'm arguing with peabrains who think white clouds school.
>>2100207
You're about to go the way of a bugguy
Well I know this wont solve this debate, but maybe I can just throw this thought out there.
My apple plot has a 8 x 12 foot spread between trees. This is said to be the minimum you want for what I'm growing. I could choose to condense it and put the trees closer, but some minor complications could arise. These complications wouldn't prevent the trees from producing fruit or living through the harsh conditions that is the Minnesota seasons, but it would not be the perfect situation for the trees to bare fruit. I could even, to a reasonable extent, plant the trees so extremely close that not only would their lifespan be cut, but the fruit that they grow would be stunted.
This is what I think people are getting confused. You can have fish in a tank that is smaller than what is recommended by some or most, but the quality of life for those fish would nowhere near be minimum. You can not say putting a school of cory cats in a 30 gallon tank is the 'minimum' while maintaining the idea or notion that a 20 gallon tank is just as bad as a 2.5 gallon.
The cats will be fine in a 20 gallon tank just as my trees would have been fine in a 6 x 10 plot spacing.
>>2100215
That cats will not enjoy being in a short tank. They need swimming space. The less gallons the quicker the build up of things that will kill your fish.
>>2100218
Gallons have nothing to do with it since they rarely travel to the top of a tank. All they really care about is having lots of hiding spaces and lots of blackworms.
>all this arguing
>again
/aq/ threads used to be pretty nice. What happened?
>>2100233
Did you miss the part where the less gallons you have the quicker things build up and kill your fish?
>>2100235
>/an/ the place that thinks it's okay to put fish in a gallon of water
>>2100207
>"I've bred everything from apistos to zebrafish"
>dwarf cichlids and danios
>an accomplishment in any way
Reported and filtered.
>>2100258
I've grown out several hundred fry in 10g and 20g longs. Do you know what a water change is?
>>2100263
I've bred discus too but they don't start with an a or a z...
>>2100269
Post count though!
>>2100267
Right over ya head nigga
>>2100269
We're monitoring their behavior. If it gets out of hand were permabanning like we did with bugguy
>>2100273
Ah! I get it. You were "only pretending to be retarded!"
I love 4chan
>>2100195
You started out berating people who didn't line up with your opinion on how to keep cories, you failed to validly back up those opinions, and then you stomped your feet and waved your arms about at anyone who dared disagree with you. If anyone deserves a special snowflake award, it's you.
>>2100108
I see and why is that? Is it just because they're like standard in every aquarium
or do they just die a lot?
are cardinal tetras any better?
>>2100289
They're everywhere, and all aquarists get them simply because "they're pretty," even though in reality they're boring as hell.
>>2100281
There's plenty to back him up. You refuse to see reality.
>>2100278
Everything just goes over your head doesn't it?
>>2099609
LMAO
>>2099634
Anon, being a dirty nignog is nothing to brag about.
>>2100215
I consider a tank to be adequate as a "minimum requirement" if the fish are unlikely to be stunted given a reasonable maintenance schedule, live to the life expectancy for their species, and don't display any abnormal behavior. I also maintain that there's a difference between a "minimum required size" and a "recommended size." Yes, I would personally recommend a 30 inch tank for cories, but I consider 24 inches to be an adequate minimum, and I feel no need to ridicule or shame anyone who keeps cories in a 24 inch tank.
>>2100308
24 inches is less than adequate. Only if you like inactive and sad corys
>>2099699
>Buy some marimo moss
>Get some plastic mesh
>Split open the marimo moss and sew to the plastic mesh
>Then arrange the different pieces across the bottom of your tank until you are satisfied
>Wait until that delicious moss fluffs out.
No co2 or ferts or anything required. Marimo moss is literally as low maintenance as you can get.
>>2100299
Funny then how it's so damn hard for him to pull any of it up.
>>2099919
Unless that IS bugguy trying to sneak back onto /an/.
>>2099941
When you do introduce plants from outside fill a bucket full of clean dechlorinated tap water that has been heavily saturated with aquarium salt. Take any plants you are introducing to your tank and give them a very thoroughly swish around in the bucket.
>>2100314
Google isn't hard though. A few reputable sites consider 36 inches the minimum.
>>2100320
A lot of "reputable" sites make glaring mistakes like misnaming fish and plants and fucking up how bacteria, diatoms, planaria and algae work.
One site will say that ammonia is converted to harmless ammonium at a ph below 7 while another will say that happens when the ph is above 7.
The Internet is a sometimes great but often shitty place to get information.
Corydoras are most "happy" with live food and plenty of places to hide. Since they don't have emotions or intelligence satisfying their basic urges is the best you can do. They really don't give a shit about being able to swim exactly 36 inches.
>>2100380
The Google fu master at it again
>>2100380
Oh god this has to be bugguy. This faggot is starting with the whole intelligence bullshit.
>>2100382
How does arguing with someone citing Google as a source make me a Google-foo master???
>>2100207
>and have freshwater show tanks for American, African, and Asian ecotopes.
pics?
We both know everyone is going to attack your tanks with full force because you've criticized them, but let's ignore them for the moment.
show off your tanks? That's sort of what the thread is for, right?
>>2099688
Due to the little earflap on the gill cover, it is a sunfish species, green sunfish probably.
>>2100409
Pretty much a bass but it is a green sunfish
Anyone ever lie awake at night and constantly think of suicide? It's on my mind almost 24/7 unless I'm taking care of my fish.
>>2100431
no?
You should probably see a psychiatrist
>Eexremal filter and heater coming I'm post today
Can't wait to get this junk out mu tank and make it look a e s t h e t I c
>>2100431
Congrats, you're probably depressed, and the fish tank is your hobby that you use to distract yourself and keep busy.
The aquarium is one of my distractions, too. But I'm going to start working on a miniature as well, because fish don't need me to care for them all day every day.
>>2100431
You probably should talk with someone about it.
As >>2100471 said, probably depression.
Find source of it and eliminate source.
Remember, not much is going to change unless you change it yourself.
On the other note, I found some algae growing in the puddle of all places.
First time Ive seen something like that happen.
I guess warm, sunny weather and rain going back and forth few times are to blame.
Its getting warmer every day and puddles are rapidly shrinking, so I thought it might be fun to gather some dirt+algae and see what I can do with it.
And now question.
How to keep it alive without having fishtank set up yet? How long is it going to survive inna jar full of water and nothing else? How to extend its lifetime?
It was looking like short slimy green hairs on the bottom of the puddle, with air bubbles in-between.
Nothing really special, but I want it.
>Get an in-line heater for my return
>Leaks from both ends
Ah yes fantastic piece of kit
>>2100501
I have some in a large gallon jar on the windowsill, it gets ambient sun all day, and direct sun for like half. Algae similar to your description is just growing and growing not giving any fucks. I have a lot of small creatures and an eft in the water, so I imagine the only reason anything lives is the algae oxygenating things. It has grown pretty sludgy though, the eft can just decide to rest on the algae at any point in the water and chill.
>open up external filter
>this is how much tube is provided
Yes this will surely reach all the way to the floor!
Fucking retards
So my heater leaks and my filter doesn't have enough tube. Can't believe I rushed homew from work excited
>>2100309
>projecting
Okay, if you can't keep your cories happy and active in a 20 gallon tank, then it's because you're a shitty fish keeper and you have no idea what you're doing.
>>2100320
>it would be so easy to back myself up that I don't even have to do it!
>an unspecific number of unidentified internet sites say I'm right, therefore it's universal
>4chan debate skills
>>2100501
Depression doesn't always have to have a "source." Your life can be perfectly fine and you might still be depressed. It can be caused by hormonal imbalances and there are studies which link depression to chromic inflammation, things which have nothing to do with past trauma or daily goings-on.
Anon should see a doctor.
>>2100536
You sound like you're guilty. You must have killed lots of fish.
>>2100536
>knows he's wrong
>continues to berate the right
>typical losing argument
You should probably kill yourself if you're still arguing about this
Is 150l/h ok turnover for a 90L shrimp tank?
>>2100553
That's really low. What kind of filter/media are you using?
>>2100548
No ones projecting but you m80
