Can we have a "old dinosaur concept" thread?
I can't accept the sciencist comunity believed in shit like pic related.
>>2077720
Oh god that's marvellous.
>>2077723
That is adorable
oh god.
swiggity swooty i'm coming for that booty
My sides
![3866040918_b2947f9715[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/DrnE3wp.jpg "3866040918_b2947f9715[1].jpg")
>>2077738
NO WAY
>>2077732
More like Ayylmaosaurus
>>2077760
Holy fuck I lost hard
>they can't tell you're crosseyed if you're extinct.
>>2077719
>the sciencist comunity
lol
in Victorian times when dinosaurs were most popular you could count the number of paleontologist in the world on one hand, with fingers to spare.
Between 1900 and 1960 the average number of dinosaur paleontologists is zero.
there literally was no scientific community of dinosaur paleontologists until at least the 1980's. This thing where we have hundreds of paleontologists studying dinosaurs has never happened before and will probably never happen again. It's a fad.
>>2077788
>implying victorian time drawings aren't the best drawings.
>>2077793
I meant to imply no such thing!
they're hilarious.
they just weren't the work of a community.
>>2077794
oh they were the work of a community.
just not a scientific one.
>>2077797
kek
so true
>>2077801
I like how they all look smug as fuck.
>that neck.
>>2077797
>how americans imagine evolution
>>2077728
I love how many modern restorations of pterosaurs are just about as accurate as they were back then...
>>2077858
>>2077858
It's especially disappointing once you read up on pterosaur pneumaticity.
See the blue on the diagram? (sorry for potato quality)
That's an airsac.
An INFLATABLE airsac.
IN THE WING.
What this means is that many derived pterosaurs could inflate or deflate the leading edges of their wings to adjust the curvature, profile...hell, maybe even the aspect ratio!
(More reading here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2637988/ )
This is so fucking awesome, but it's depicted in almost NO paleoart whatsoever.
Sorry for blogposting, but pterosaurs are my SHIIIIITTTTTT.
>>2077870
>Jurassic World's designs were so terrible they resurrected extinct memes
>>2077738
>Bible belt education
>>2077902
there's a strong contingent of these dumb fucks in california where I grew up. I had that book
my parents took me to a ken ham creationism seminar when I was like 13. what a fucking blowhard. my brother and I were the only kids there so we even met him briefly, he's a total asshole
>>2077880
Thats pretty badass actually. Thanks for that info.
>>2077912
Lol i live in california and my college professor for zoology once invited ken ham to have a discussion with us about evolution. Of course my professor was just trying to troll him and by no surprise he said he had important business to attend to and couldnt make it but he would answer any questions we wrote down.
When we got our questions back it was no surprise it was all the classic creationists babble and all his sources were all from the same shit.
>>2077880
Fuckyeah pterosaurs are amazing, like fuck dinosaurs, none in my opinion even came close to the same sort of veriaty and weirdness. Even modern day birds have never never even approached the scale of the largest pterosaurs. They were sophisticated, likely quite intelligent animals, and were the first vertibrates to master flight.
>An INFLATABLE airsac.
>IN THE WING.
Yes, I've heard of this! Wasn't sure what to make of it, thank you for giving me more information on it. That's pretty damn incredible, its pretty frustrating that with all our advances in knowledge of other extinct creatures, pterosaurs for some reason are still largely neglected. John Conway is probably my favourite artist in this regard, I love how he manages to capture not just that they were living creatures, but what they actually must have been like in their own right. So many otherwise great paleoartists fall back on using living animals such as bats and birds, without considering that they were their own thing entirely.
>>2077870
>Jurassic World's designs were so terrible they resurrected extinct memes
Don't even. I get scientific accuracy isn't the concern here, they even wrote in a half hearted excuse for why they weren't anything like they would have been, but christ. At least make them look GOOD. I liked the way they looked in JP3, even with all their scales and teeth. I would have legitimately shat bricks if one of those came waddling towards me on narrow platform. But no. 14 years later and all our advances in technology and cg, and we get some fucking emaciated shitty murder bats.
>>2077721
Isn't this one still pretty accurate?
Apart from the sloppy tail.
>>2077738
>>2077880
Does the air sac expansion affect the blue(sac) area only or the whole wing? In the first case, wouldn't that leave a bulge in the wing?
I don't understand how could this system work. The article mentions pelicans and vultures as modern day examples of birds with air sacs on the wing but I found too little.I just wanted to see that in action...
>>2078039
>I don't understand how could this system work.
Like, the airsac system in general, or the "inflatable wing" bit?
>>2078039
not him but a bulge at the front of the wing could be used to shape an airfoil that produces lift when soaring.
you'd just need to cup the rear of the wing downwards and then bounce air off the bulge to a straight line from the apex of the bulge to the trailing edge. Air over the top of the bulge and curve will be forced to take a longer path, thus speeding up and creating the suction necessary to lift the wing.
that's assuming the air sacs are held rigid in relation to the bones of the wing, an assumption that doesn't seem likely since these air sacs were inflated and deflated by breathing. They were essentially extra lungs, and it's not convenient to have your flying ability only work when you're holding your breath, so to speak.
>>2078039
(A) is an idealized aerofoil.
(B) is a pterosaur wing without an airsac.
(C) is a pterosaur wing WITH an airsac.
>>2077735
why are those eyes so dreamy
>>2078100
Because Chas Knight didn't draw monsters, he illustrated animals.
>>2077738
>>2077732
>>2077720
Are the best
>>2077732
That vein tho...
>>2077732
>>2078150
>Oldschool marsupial pterosaurs
YOOOOOOOOOOOOO(1/2)
>>2078256
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! (2/2)
>>2077737
What a cute little crow face
>>2078043
The part about inflation part, based on what I understood about the article they are pretty much like bird airsacs.
>>2078056
>>2078044
So basically pterosaurs are pretty much living planes.Correct
>assuming the air sacs are held rigid in relation to the bones of the wing, an assumption that doesn't seem likely since these air sacs were inflated and deflated by breathing.
Maybe they had a way to store air there while the sacs on the toracic cavity did the breathing part.
>>2077720
I have this book somewhere l recognize the art style
>>2077732
Holy shit! I had a book with this picture when I was a kid. I remember hating this drawing the most compared to the other dinosaurs.
>>2077745
>>2077721
4 spiked thagomizer
no neck
not enough plates
>>2077950
4 spiked thagomizer
no neck
not enough plates
>>2078247
holy shit they didn't even get Allosaurus's name right.. thats supposed to be Allosaurus right?
>>2078336
it's a pun, hun. Because it looks like an ayy lmao.
>>2078320
Lol It is kinda creepy. I'm going to phone my mom this weekend and see if she or my brother still has this. My parents sold a ton of old books that we had as kids. I know they kept some for future grandkids. I doubt this was one that they kept but I can hope.
>>2077723
>a-am I kawaii, archaeologist-kun
>>2077732
It looks like that picture of that kid that was full "trex mode" with wide ass hips and no shoulder/upper body muscle. you know the one.
>>2077737
>heard you talkin shit like I wouldnt find out
>>2078325
>LOL WE ARE DINOSAURS
Why do I cringe to this shit even in parody?
>>2077738
>>2077777
so...is no one gonna mention the quints?
>>2078493
nobody cares about gets on slow boards.
>>2078359
You mean this one?
>>2078484
You will never convince me that this wasn't done by a closet vore fetishist
>not collecting outdated dinosaur books
>>2077801
> That's my purse! I don't know you!
>>2078515
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>>2078502
What?
>>2078484
I'm a vore fetishist and I don't see anything sexy about this pic
>>2077732
>rawr xD
>>2078501
nah, its fat trex guy (like kleinfelters kind of thing)
>>2077738
Is it trying to explain how it breaths fire on the right there? Please tell me that you're the me who took this picture and can show more..
>>2078639
Not that guy, but I...was exposed...to this book when I was a little guy.
Basically it's a bunch of horseshit to the tune of "yadda yadda bombardier beetles, something something leviathan, let me just jack off into my mouth while you pretend that biblical 'dragons' actually meant 'dinosaurs' *fapfapfap* bleeeehhh"
>>2078502
I'm pretty into vore, and those mouths don't stand out to me at all. They aren't drawn in any way that stands out nor do they look like the usual way people draw them.
>>2078503
Aw man, I owned top left as a kid. Fuck, I still got books from that series.
>>2078680
that one belongs to my son, but he's 20 now and way too cool for dinosaur books so it's on my shelf.
He used to love it when I'd read him chapters out of that. Nothosaurus was his favorite.
>>2078680
absolutely terrible artwork
>>2078680
one more for memory lane
>>2078693
>>2078696
>>2078698
Thanks, forgot how bad these were. I remember loving the Iguanodon one most.
I also remember one where a dilophosaurus couple were trying to kill a plesiosaur that could walk on the beach like a seal, but the female dilophosaurus had a fucking pachycephalosaurus head for sexual dimorphism
>>2077721
What's wrong with the head? it's so tiny
>>2078503
Hello do you happen to have a light blue book with a brachiosaurus on the cover, and a red title? I had it as a kid and it has some amazing artwork, look for it
>>2077728
oh my god i can imagin it laughing XD HUE HUE HUE HUE HUE HUE
>>2078358
kek
>>2078635
So Shingeki no Kyojin is made by a vore fetishist?
>>2078696
>cast a giant shadown on the grass
>grass
What are they teaching our childen...
>>2078022
Perfect
>>2078634
>>2078634
>snibeti snab :DDD
>>2078816
You're telling me it wasn't?
>>2078503
>them thumbs on the bottom right
>when the artist shoves your eye in the wrong hole
>>2078634
I see your ass-nibbled Pteranodon and raise you a goddamned nightmare
>>2077735
I think I'm in love.
>>2078634
Did they use a rotisserie as their drawing reference?
ayyyy
>>2079032
Cute snek, wrong thred
>>2077801
>tfw manlet myself but couldn't resist
>>2077780
>>2078256
>>2079075
This is great
>>2077745
>>2077737
>>2079075
Realized it's probably better removing his dialogue.
Not old, but still great
>>2077720
This is actually how they're supposed to look though
>>2078484
fucking raptors eating lemons
>>2079108
this is wonderful
>>2078484
when life gives you lemons... become a fuckin VELOCIRAPTOR
>>2078698
>tfw no stegoceras gf
>>2079108
This is fucking retarded
>>2077738
Now in readable size
>>2078256
Well to be fair it turns out they could of been "hairy" in a way due to Pycnofibers
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/08/090804-pterosaurs-wings-fossil-hairs.html
>>2079259
>horrifiedlaughter.png.exe
This thread is wonderful.
Not really related but still.
I love how much our idea of Iguanodon's appearance has changed over time.
>>2079242
It's charmeleon.
>>2079247
br hu3 hu3 hu3
>>2079247
Was there any dinosaur more likely to shank you than the old school iguanodons?
there is this old documentary from back when JP was new where jack horner and his then rival were arguing about some silly shit by todays standards, i skimmed through this and think it's this one
oh, and the picture is relevant to the thread, this depiction is outdated as fuck though you may not want to think so
doesnt even have feathers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIoac7LuOak
pps i fucking love this thread and cant remember the last time i actually had fun on 4chan
>>2078150
my body is fossilized
>>2079256
>reptilians on roids
>>2079237
Its supposed to be
>>2078484
I FUCKING LOVE LEMONS
>>2079247
"I'm gonna stick me thumbs in yer throat and hang on 'till yer dead!"
>>2078484
The biggest lie in this pic is that a living creature enjoys eating raw lemons
>>2079242
I don't understand how this DOESN'T make sense to atheists.
We don't know what they ate, what/who they attacked, what kind of heightened senses they had, but yet there's books that explain everything about them as 100% fact. All we have is biblical accounts of dinosaurs.
Dinosaurs weren't scaly with feathers and flamboyantly colored, damn it. A couple of fossils with a few feathers lying next to them does not outweigh the hundreds that have been found with scales.
>>2079556
No paleontologist said that all dinosaurs have feathers. Hell, dinosaurs spanned such a huge length of time and biodiversity that it would be shocked that some didn't go in a different direction.
e.g. see mammals. Most have fur, but there are some mammals that have evolved to be bald, or have modified fur that became scales, such as the pangolin.
Dinosaurs were a hugely diverse group. We're closer chronologically to the T Rex than the T Rex is to the stegosaurus.
Also, biblical accounts of dinosaurs? The timelines don't match up. Try looking more at ice age megafauna, maybe things like mammoths or wooly rhinos for stuff like behemoths. Leviathans are probably whales.
Do you believe dragons, cockatrice, werewolves, vampires, or zombies are real? There are tons of stories about them or variations of them throughout history and all across the world. Many of those stories have even been written down since antiquity.
>>2079556
This is bait, but I'm hungry:
>We don't know what they ate
coprolites
>what/who they attacked
Teeth, claw marks on bones.
>what kind of heightened senses they had
Inference through comparative morphology generally works fine.
>Dinosaurs weren't scaly with feathers and flamboyantly colored
Yet they've found fossilized melanosomes that pretty clearly describe the colors of a dinosaur.
>A couple of fossils with a few feathers lying next to them does not outweigh the hundreds that have been found with scales.
>look at this elephant
>it has little to no hair!
>this marmot must not have had hair either
That's what you sound like. Dinosaurs were as diverse as any other clade including Mammalia.
>>2079556
>hundreds that have been found with scales
Hate to break this to you, but when it comes to integument preservation, the number of specimens found with feather traces actually far outweighs those with scaly skin impressions.
>>2079253
Son, don't you try to school me on pycnofibres.
>>2079556
>>2078503
>But first, let me take a selfie!
>>2079668
Say what you will. I fucking love Luis Rey's paleoart.
>>2079668
>>2079714
oh shit, I literally pissed myself
>>2078698
>booty had me like
Remember when all dinosaurs were naked?
Those were good times.
>>2077732
this is your body on starting strength
>>2079243
[spoiler]AND THE TIGER POSTER[/spoiler]
>>2079835
>good
>>2078774
yep, that's the book on the lower left.
I got that one when I was 8, my parents bought me a copy when we stopped off in the town of Dinosaur, CO. Absolutely gorgeous, but completely outdated. Illustrations by Rudolph Zallinger.
>>2079596
>the number of specimens found with feather traces actually far outweighs those with scaly skin impressions.
>what people that never collected dinosaur fossils actually believe.
>>2079949
Proof me wrong, asshole. I'm a college paleontology student. I have nothing but time, motherfucker.
NOTHING BUT TIME.
>>2078774
cover shot from google
if there's a page you'd like to see let me know
>>2079947
>Zallinger
HYESSSSSSSS
>>2079951
kek
>paleontology student
>doesn't know about Campione et al 2015
I'll go ahead and assume you're lying and don't have JSTOR access.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jun/03/most-dinosaurs-had-scales-not-feathers-fossil-analysis-concludes
>>2079108
This is wonderfully fucking retarded.
>>2079645
>>2079248
>high impact sexual violence
>>2079952
Wow thanks, I'd like to see the duck-bills then
>>2079975
1/3
>>2079975
2
>>2079975
3
>>2079982
yeah, I love the artwork in that old book. I gave my original copy to my brother, but I missed it enough I bought one on amazon.
I think I paid $3 for it.
>>2079983
Eh, I have no idea what happened to mine, it was probably thrown away. As a kid I was fucking obsessed with dinosaurs, to the point my parents eliminated all dinosaur-related media from the house.
>>2079256
Looks like the serpent from dark souls
>>2079992
Can I ask why a lot of kids are REALLY into dinosaurs, and how a kid ends up beaing REALLY, REALLY into dinosaurs? What was it that pulled you in?
>>2080198
Giant fucking animals that are all dead, and you dig their bones out of the ground are totally rad
>>2080198
They're giant monsters made of old bones and imagination. They're like dragons, only real.
>>2079256
>>2079256
>>2077719
don't you have this pic bigger?
>>2077736
this is gold
>>2079242
pleas moar
>>2077797
dafaq is happening in this pic?
>>2077880
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2637988/
if that's true then it's awesome mate
>>2080233
I love how people believed that sauropods were too big to be on land so they spent all their time in the water. Without having any kind of water adaptation.
>>2078696
>shouldn't we hire an artist for the book?
>nah i can do it
I agree!
>>2079408
hey i remember that illustration! but i don't know from where
>>2079947
looks like it's enjoying it... fihfthy shades of cretasic?
>>2078812
>>2080238
well, it makes some sense if you look at hyppos, at a first glance they don't seem to have any adaptations to spend so much time in water
>>2079256
>>2080247
How old are these illustrations?
>>2077808
That looks fucking awesome though
>>2078484
Does anyone have pics from a kids book with dinos made with play clay? That was my shit
>>2079958
Not him, but seems like nothing new. I didn't think ornithischians were ever implied to have plumage.
>>2080247
>JOHN MADDEN
>>2080358
>I didn't think ornithischians were ever implied to have plumage.
Boy do I have some raw news to drop on your dome
>>2080366
Well, guess I don't know shit. So is that paper implying that feathers were a trait developed independently in two orders? Cause it looks pretty basal to me if those shits had them too.
>>2080368
Yeah, that paper is pretty much obsolete now.
Pterosaur pycnofibres, theropod feathers, ornithischian feathers, they're all most likely homologous.
Especially if you read up on modern crocodilian epidermal b-keratin genes. Shit gets crazy.
God, look at these things
it's like if humans went extinct and in a few million years an new species becomes sapient and uncovers out fossils, and the first 30-50 years after this all their artistic reconstructions of us look like liefeld drawings
>>2080374
Have you heard of "All Yesterdays?"
The second part is based entirely around that premise.
>>2080374
>>2080387
That's my favorite part of that book.
>>2078484
>HR1 in Monster Hunter
>>2079108
MY SIDES
>>2079714
AHAHAHAHHA
FUCKING GENIOUS MAN
>How YOU doin'?
>If this nigga don't shut the fuck up...
>>2078150
>KILL ME
>>2080456
Take me
>>2078292
Similar probably to the mechanics of current bird breathing, where one breath of air takes multiple breath cycles to exit the respiratory system
>>2080494
>T-Rex
You mean an over-sized kaprosuchus with a tumblr nose that's chasing the other dinosaurs with tumblr noses?
![kb1rd2e23jouyrijzw0x[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/t8FU0Kg.jpg "kb1rd2e23jouyrijzw0x[1].jpg")
I refuse to acknowledge any concepts of dinosaurs that do not look like they do in this
>>2080511
Well that's more rough on you than it is on anyone else.
Kinda cutting off your nose to spite your face to be honest.
>>2080513
yes because knowing exactly what an extinct animal looks like will be better for my quality of life than my cherised memories of Dino-Riders
>>2080511
HARNESS THE POWEEERRRRR!!
I had ALL of them as a kid. My parents were awesome.
>>2080508
>Swiggity Swooty
>>2080515
I was referring more to the absence of brainboxes and 15kW solid-state laser armatures in the fossil record, but if you're looking for something to get mad about there's really nothing I can do to stop you.
>>2080369
>Yeah, that paper is pretty much obsolete now.
>came out a couple months ago
>>2080368
the paper isn't implying anything except that most dinosaurs didn't have feathers.
that could be because of at least two possible reasons.
the simplest of the two is that feathers aren't the same thing as the fur in ornithischians.
>>2079256
>>2080516
I wish I still had these.
>>2079259
>this thread.
