Is getting a cat declawed ACTUALLY painful or is it just bullshit that fuckwits spew because whatever? Can't you put a cat to sleep through getting it declawed?
My cat won't stop clawing shit. Including my fucking walls which my landlord despises. I mean I hate it so fucking much, but it gets my landlord on my back every now and then.
I can shove her away from walls and the cat will go right back to where I took it away from and start fucking scratching it again no matter how mad they see me get over it.
I can tuck my shoelaces INTO my shoes and the cat will just keep going back to them and fuck with my shoes until they see the laces again TIME AND TIME AGAIN even if I put shit on top of my shoes.
I know it's a fucking cat that wants to play. And I've seen cats play. But this asshat is annoying the shit out of me. Please help me. I'm at my end and I'm not putting it in a shelter. Putting animals in shelters isfar more cruel to me than whatever else.
Picture not relevant.
It isn't during the surgery it is after. The recovery is horrendous and it isn't simply removing the claw, but removing the front part of the digit all the way to the first knuckle. Cats bear a lot of weight on the ball and toe parts of their feet.
Do you provide your cat anything to scratch in the house at all? My cat has 3 proper locations to scratch in my less than 700 sq ft apartment.
Also, if your cats claws are sharp enough to claw the goddamn walls, they need to be clipped! I clip my cats front claws every 2-3 weeks and the back ones once a month. Because I properly interact and play with my cat, clipping his claws is a one person task.
Declawing removes the entire front part of the toes, and it can leave your cat neurologically fucked up. Its extremely painful recovery.
If you even consider declawing, just find a better home for your cat. Its gonna do cat things. Dont literally mutilate it to make yourself feel better.
>>2064668
That's the thing! Even when I do clip them (which is once EVERY WEEK) they still go right back to the fucking walls. Again, EVEN AFTER I've just clipped them. It's seriously fucking nuts.
>>2064668
It has two fucking scratch posts as well. Fucking TWO. Never goes to them even after I bought stuff to spray on them to make the cat go to it.
>>2064676
>neurologically fucked up
lol how can you tell
besides being a harbinger of human brain parasites, cats are really stupid pets and i wish this cat fad would end
>>2064676
>Dont literally mutilate it to make yourself feel better.
>Being a pet's bitch
How cucked can you get?
if it's such a big deal, just start putting softpaws on your cat. No expensive reoccurring vet bills from the surgery and recovery, and you don't make your cat suffer for the rest of it's life.
You can either put kitty caps on their claws or double sided tape where they like to scratch. Cats hate the feel of the tape on their paws so they stop touching it. That's how I got my cat to stop scratching my recliner
>remove the anatomical equivalent of the entire last finger joint, where cats naturally place most of their weight when walking
>lol cant be that bad right
>>2064708
>last finger joint,
>where cats naturally place most of their weight when walking
They're not ungulates, you know.
Posting in a troll thread
>>2064694
>not mutilating your pet makes you a bitch
Why the hell are you on an animals and nature board?
>>2064720
I like animals, I'm just rational. Why give a shit about your cat's "feelings" if it's actively destroying your house?
I bet you are also againt anti-barking collars for dogs. Disgusting hippies.
>>2064725
>i like animals
>who gives a shit about your pets feelings
>rational
>maiming a living animal is more important than a wall
I'm not quite sure you understand the hypocrisy.
>>2064729
>who gives a shit about your pets feelings
since they don't have feelings I don't find it necessary to give two shits about them
>maiming a living animal is more important than a wall
>arguing with MUH FEELS
>>2064710
no shit, they're digitigeades. keyword 'digit'.
>>2064698
This. It seems like your cat lets you touch her paws so get softpaws for her.
>>2064737
you are not forced to keep a cat
there is a reason the entire world banned declawing but america
as expected from a nation that routinely maims penises
>>2064725
bugguy pls
>>2064737
>since they don't have feelings I don't find it necessary to give two shits about them
So I'll say again. Why the fuck are you on an animals and nature board?
>>2064755
>people can only like the animals and nature I do
>>2064755
Again those MUH FEELS. What is it with you dirty hippies? Why can't you keep an animal and expect it not to fuck up your whole house? Please never have kids, since you'll probably let them do everything.
>"can I shit on the floor in this restaurant, mommy?"
>"sure you can, son"
>"IF YOU DON'T LIKE HOW CHILDREN BEHAVE, DON'T HAVE KIDS"
>>2064757
If you liked cats, you wouldn't support declawing.
I don't even like cats and I know how fucked up declawing is.
>>2064760
Fuck that. I'll slap my kids the same as I slap my cats. I'm not having any double standard shit going on in my house like some fucking filthy communist cunt who wants distributed wealth or some other shitty commy/socialist cuntfaced faggot. I'll treat my kids right.
>>2064760
you don't break your kid's knuckles if it breaks things
also bad comparison since kids are the most valuable things you can own
but yeah, if you value your things that much, do not keep a pet that can damage them. you can have fish. a cat is a conpanion animal not one with a practical purpose like a hen
>>2064767
that's their punishment for spreading toxoplasmosis
This is a sign that you aren't willing to put the effort into having a cat.
If you want to change your cats behavior then you have to know why it's doing something. Cats don't stop doing something just because somebody wants them t. They aren't beta's.
>>2064770
>a cat is a conpanion animal
You misspelled "dog"
>>2064773
you can have more than one kinds of companion animal, rats and parrots are also those
>>2064760
You don't cut off you kids' fingertips to keep them in line. If you do, you really shouldn't be having kids.
>>2064770
>you don't break your kid's knuckles if it breaks things
Because if you slap it it's probably enough. Negative enforcement works well on humans, shame some cats are just too stubborn to get that concept.
>>2064773
dogs are bullet shields
>>2064774
>rats and parrots are also those
Yes, but cats aren't. Even poultry (e.g. geese) makes better companions.
>>2064769
>
nigga wat even?
>>2064773
dogs are downies. They like everyone. A cat gives affection to only those who earn it. I'm sorry you've never experienced a cat that likes you.
>>2064777
Maybe if you live in a 3rd world country like the us of a
>>2064767
>If you liked cats
that's a pretty fucking big "if" is all I'm saying.
>>2064661
The actual surgery is done under anesthesia, but the recovery is a bitch. On top of that, you risk your cat deciding to not use the box anymore because it's feet are too sensitive.
It is less headache to train the cat to stop tearing up shit than to have to deal with a bitey pissmonster.
The cat needs to be played with, a tired cat sleeps instead of being destructive. Play with the fucker until it is panting.
Have you tried spraying citrus stuff on the wall/shoes or something else similarly unpleasant smelling?
Get other types of scratching toys, see what works. Maybe your cat would like the cardboard ones or maybe it just likes the particular height of the wall.
>>2064781
>They like everyone
depends on the breed and/or socialisation
>I'm sorry you've never experienced a cat that likes you.
I have, it's just a lottery to find a normal cat. It's just like finding a non-hippie, educated animal lover on /an/. Rarer than the rarest pepes.
Pathetic. People really need to learn how to own a cat.
Kill eat sleep.
It's literally that simple.
Play with the cat(kill). An energetic cat will have two winds, which means it will take two short breaks and go back to playing.
Once it's tired let it eat. Cats should be fed twice daily at specific times. Never free feed a cat. After eating your cat will become lazy and not a problem. Get your cat on a schedule. It was want to play when it's used to being played with and when it's not that time they will be lazy.
Solves 99% of shitty cat owners problems.
>>2064792
>A lottery
It's literally not. Don't confuse a friendly cat with a cat that likes you either. If you haven't put work into building a relationship you might as well not have a cat at all.
>>2064794
>It's literally not.
Yes it is. One of my cats is a lazy fuck, who literally does nothing all day and likes to cuddle. One is nothing special, but rather distant (don't even know why i keep it). Gf's cat is a hyperactive sperglord. They were raised under similar conditions.
>>2064800
The cats are different because cats have different personalities you tard. Not to mention a own hierarchy within the cats social circle itself.
Nobody even made the claim that equal attention or condition equals the same effect. . I don't even know why that was brought up.That literally doesn't work for any animal or human.
>>2064771
>meme disease
enjoy getting tapeworms from picking up dog shit
>>2064808
>picking up dog shit
I know this might sound crazy to a cat person, but you don't have to eat it...
>>2064806
>equal attention or condition don't result in the same effect
so it is a lottery
>>2064815
Dogs sure love to eat their own shit.
Come to think of it they love eating cat shit too.
>>2064816
>this dumb.
It's a lottery with kittens but none of the results are bad given you can actually socialize a cat. No, Tearing down curtains is not a genetic trait of a cat.
>>2064815
in sure you're also too stupid to understand this, but you don't clean a litterbox with your tongue either so your meme disease isn't really applicable either
and dogs are the ones who love eating shit and rolling in it, then licking you and rubbing up on you. you're at way higher risk
>>2064817
>Dogs love to eat any kind of shit.
That's just feline propaganda.
>>2064820
>Tearing down curtains is not a genetic trait of a cat.
Being too active is.
>>2064822
>then licking you
Only dirty hippies let that happen.
>>2064823
My dog eats my cats shit all the timer.
>>2064824
>too
That's relative.If a cat is too active then it's not the right pet. Almost as bad as people who pay for F1-F3 Bengals and complain that their cat is acting like a Bengal.
>>2064830
>admitting you don't know how to raise a dog
admitting is the first step. keep at it, m8
>>2064682
Make sure the scratching posts are 1) as tall/long as your cat is completely stretched, and 2) is sturdy enough where it won't wobble or fall with your cat's weight. I'd suggest one scratching post that is upright, and one that is horizontal. If money is an issue, there are many very cheap ways to make scratching posts, or you could even grab a nice sized log for your cat to use. You can try using cat nip to attract the cat to the places s/he is supposed to scratch.
Now that your cat has a few places to scratch, you can start making places you don't want him/her to scratch to seem undesirable. Strong scents, aluminum foil, spiky mats, double sided tape are all good deterrents. As long as it's safe, you can get creative with this. The goal is, even if the cat prefers the wall over a nice post, you have to make the post seem better and the wall seem like a shitty place to be. This is a basic conditioning.
De-clawing is painful for cats; most vets will not do a declaw on a cat over a few months old because the weight cats will have to put on their new wounds can make them disabled. Cats have to re-learn how to walk with their new amputated paws. De-clawed cats are more often reported to become more flighty and more aggressive after surgery, and de-clawed cats are extremely likely to bite a person. This is because they are aware their claws are no longer 'working', and have to act much more defensively than the normal moggie. Declawed cats are also at a serious risk of infection that can become deadly if not treated, and are more likely to develop debilitating arthritis earlier in life. The biggest problem people have with declawed cats, however, is refusal to use the litter box. This is because the texture of the litter hurts the sore wounds, that are always sore because they have to walk on them. If you are considering declawing and find animal shelters inhumane, you'll have to ask yourself if you are ok with a cat that shits + pisses everywhere.
>>2064833
I just put a cat flap on the door to the laundry room instead.
It was easier.
>>2064835
You should add that the post material makes a difference. Cat have preferences between wood, carpet, and cardboard.
lol so many pussies in this thread.
OP, it's fine. Why do you think vets perform it? Don't listen to the people in this thread spout PETA bullshit.
my grandparents just declawed their cat
it seems fine
but i cats so what do i know?
>all this for a couple of shitty cats
>>2064839
>Why do you think vets perform it?
except these days it can be hard to find a vet that would be willing to preform the procedure since it would be extremely damaging to their reputation and more and more vet schools are refusing to teach it since it's shown to cause a lot more issues than it solves, plus being inhumane
>>2064841
there's a high likelihood the cat will start biting, becoming withdrawn/aggressive, obese, develop back issues, and not consistently use the litterbox
>>2064908
>more and more vet schools are refusing to teach it
>implying you can graduate vet school without learning how to amputate something.
If you declaw it, you'll have a bunch of other problems.
Declawed cats tend to become more aggressive and bite more often, because they feel they can't defend themselves.
They pee outside the litterbox because the litterbox sand hurts her feet.
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>>2065033
Amputation is for things like shattered leg bones and preventing the spread of cancerous tumors. Not because your cat is doing cat stuff and it's annoying. You don't take a pair of pliers to your dog's teeth for chewing on something so why cut off the tips of your cat's toes for clawing? You're probably one of those faggots who mutilated and killed stray animals as a kid.
>>2065071
I didn't say it was good.
I didn't say it was bad.
I didn't say anything about it except if you think a vet needs to be specifically taught how to amputate the distal phalanges you've got a very naïve view of how medicine works.
but we already know you aren't too bright, look at you jumping to conclusions based on your own illiteracy.
>>2065074
More like I was correcting that enormous reach you did there. Vet schools don't cover declawing specifically but still cover amputation in general for medically necessary reasons. Same reason tail docking and ear cropping is on it's way out.
But no. Keep making assumptions and twisting people's words. Since that and sucking your dad's dick is all your good at, isn't it?
>>2065075
>Vet schools don't cover declawing specifically but still cover amputation in general for medically necessary reasons.
lol
what's the difference in procedure between a necessary amputation and an unnecessary one?
>>2065077
One is for the animal's health and well being. Such as the examples I gave of broken bones and tumors. It leaves the animal disabled but better off than before.
The other is for aesthetic or convenience reasons. Declawing a perfectly healthy cat will leave it disabled and therefore less well off.
Now how fucking hard was that to understand?
>>2065079
that's not a difference in procedure.
I'm trying to get to the bottom of why you think a vet that can amputate a leg is somehow incapable of amputating some toes because "vet schools are refusing to teach it."
>>2065080
Because, once again, you're twisting my fucking words. You fucking piece of shit.
Vet schools refuse to teach declawing. Because maybe, just maybe, that the likelyhood of having to just remove the toe and only the toe for medical reasons rarely comes up. Because anything like that would probably also be affecting the entire paw. (It may come as a shock to you. But cats have small paws.) And the entire foot would need to be removed.
But even in that small chance, why remove just the tip if the cat has a problem with it's toe? Why not the entire toe and leave the others for it to use at it's leisure?
Simple. Because you're a fucking idiot.
>>2065089
>Because maybe, just maybe, that the likelyhood of having to just remove the toe and only the toe for medical reasons rarely comes up.
or because a person that's trained to amputate a leg doesn't need additional special training to amputate a toe.
I'm enjoying your rage, but I'd much rather you were smarter than you are angry.
>>2064661
I am a sadistic fuck when it comes to cats. My dream is to abuse one until it snaps, stays terrified in a corner and makes its disgusting childlike screams. Declaw that fucker id you have it. Or grab it by the tail and throw it around until it's so afraid it won't dare to do shit. Grab that fuck by the neck and beat ir when it claws shit.
It seems like most boards here are just /b/ with another name, full of trolls and edgelords.
>>2064747
>digitigeades
Work on that literacy
>>2065092
Paws are more complicated than a leg. You can literally pop a limb out of its socket and have plenty of loose skin to use to close the wound. Bleeding is easy to control and the whole thing is pretty straight forward. A layman could do it.
Removing just part of a toe, while retaining the function of the rest of the toe, is far more of a headache.
Cat paws have annoying little tendons everywhere. You nick the wrong one and now the poor thing can't even use it. You leave too much material behind (the laser cauterizing to the point one can't see clearly) and the toe actually grows back all deformed. The skin is stretched tight there, is difficult to close in a way that won't cause the cat to tear/chew it open. Infection risk is pretty high and the area is difficult to clean properly. Is just not worth the liability.
>>2064661
OP if the cat does this in specific areas try putting some doublesided tape up in those spots.
>>2065102
Man, cats really attract the most sadistic fuckers. No one thinks you're cool, you know.
Rub catnip on the posts and scatch them in front of him.
Also, look into getting caps put on his nails. It's painless, cheap, and can be done by a lot of groomers or you can buy them online. They're just little silicon caps that slip over the nails and are glued to them
>>2065092
>or because a person that's trained to amputate a leg doesn't need additional special training to amputate a toe.
I'm the person you replied to originally and damn you're an idiot
vet schools don't teach the procedure because it's quite useless outside of declawing, which is inhumane so they don't support it. 99.9% of times where a situation arises that affects the claw, an amputation is done because it's what needed and more practical. vets typically aren't trained to remove parts of the cat's legs aside from an amputation anyway, because it's harder on the cat to adjust to it and the number of times where it's a practical solution anyway are so extremely limited
but for those very few and far between situations that declawing would be medically beneficial, theoretically you would have to see a specialist, since most standard vets wouldn't be taught how to do it in the first place
>>2064822
except cats shit INSIDE the house, dig around in it, and then put their bare assholes and shitty litter feet all over kitchen tables and counter tops
>>2065320
Then don't let your cat on the counter? It's not a hard concept.
>>2065322
yes. because cats do whatever the fuck they want
everyone i know with one says they are not allowed on the counter and i've seen every fucking one of them on the counter
>never accept a dinner invitation at a place with cats
>>2065327
If you're too stupid/lazy to train a cat then don't have one. You clearly don't like the animal.
>>2065331
>cat
>training
Cats can't be trained.
>>2065332
Not by idiots, clearly.
>>2065156
e is right next to r. It's likely just a typo.
>>2065331
i'm not stupid or lazy
you're thinking of cat people
>>2065320
if you keep the box clean and train your cat to not get in the counter you're fine. and
>bare asshole
you realize dogs don't cover their asses either, right? and they're way more likely to step, roll in, and eat shit because that's what dogs do. at least cats constantly clean themselves
>>2065332
just because you're too dumb or impatient to do it doesn't mean it can't be done, anon
>>2065314
>vet schools don't teach the procedure
they do teach the procedure.
it's the exact same procedure as any other amputation.
>>2065358
>bare assholes
>on the kitchen table and counter
and smearing their disgusting spit all over themselves does not make them "clean"
>>2065411
Cat buttholes don't touch the ground when they sit.
>>2065414
keep telling yourself that
>>2065358
>Cat licks its ass.
>Then licks its already dirty fur.
>>Wow, so clean!
OK.
>>2065424
You are just showing how little you know about basic cat anatomy.
>>2064661
Maybe you're just a shitty owner.
>>2065396
no, it's not. look up the anatomy of their shoulder vs toes
>>2065411
>assuming people let their cats on the counter
so I should also assume the dog jumps up and licks food on the counter too
>>2065503
>implying dogs don't lick their assholes too
>implying don't lick themselves and their environment with their asshole tongue
>implying dogs don't actively seek out shit to roll in and eat
>>2065523
I never mentioned dogs in my post, m8.
Also, spoilers:
Some humans lick each others' assholes and eat shit too.
>>2065521
If you can look up toe anatomy I'm pretty sure a vet can too.
>implying vet school skips toe anatomy so vets don't do declaws.
>>2064661
Don't run into a pack of feral PETA supporters and ask questions like this. /an/ is 95% total hippies that claim to support ultra-humane methods but have never tried to teach a puppy to shit outside with positive reinforcement alone.
And any of you fucking hippies that say you've done it are full of shit.
>>2065543
Not sure what you mean. I don't use positive reinforcement to train much of anything but I did housetrain my dogs using it.
it's easy. You stick them outside a couple times an hour, they're bound to pee out there sometime. Then you reward them.
if you catch them about to squat in the house you put them outside.
it's easy, you just have to be home all day and constantly watching your dogs for a while.
>>2065529
.... really?
just teaching the anatomy doesn't mean they teach how to preform an onychectomy. they're inherently different procedures.
>>2065543
right, that's why it's considered animal cruelty in basically every other developed country and even some areas of the US. it's not that it's shown to be inhumane and the cause of other issues or anything
>have never tried to teach a puppy to shit outside with positive reinforcement alone
been there, done that. multiple times. just because you're not smart or patient enough to figure out how to do doesn't mean others are on your level
>>2065555
>they're inherently different procedures.
nope.
if you can amputate a leg you can amputate a toe.
You people only care because they're cute. A million worse things than this happen on farms, but no one cares because they're not squeeeeeomgsocute.
And those animals actually serve a purpose. Unlike cats, which destroy everything around them for the sheer fun of it.
Bunch of hypocrites.
>>2065559
you really have no idea what you're talking about
>>2065644
I have a degree in comparative vertebrate anatomy and taught anatomy to veterinary and medical students.
I have some idea what I'm talking about.
I'm not here to convince you though. I'm just stopping in to laugh at you.
>my mechanic can't change the oil on my chevy because in school they only taught him how to change oil on a ford.
>>2065646
Yup, and I'm a supermodel astronaut that's going to Mars!
>>2065646
>all that shit
whew
and if you're oh so educated you should know that the structures of the toes is way different than the legs. saying it's the same procedure is asinine
>>2065650
I'd rather you pretended to be a vet then you could tell me why you think amputating a distal phalanx is magically more difficult than amputating a leg.
>>2065651
>the structures of the toes is way different than the legs.
the process to amputate either one is exactly the same.
the only difference is that toes are easier be.
>>2065652
No one said anything about it being more "difficult" you faggot, just that it's different. Huge distinction.
>>2064661
>I've bought an animal and can't be bothered to train it, so instead I'm going to mutilate it.
I bet you're a cutfag too.
>>2065656
>just that it's different.
it's less complex, that's a fact.
the procedure is the same though.
anyone that can amputate a leg can amputate a toe.
>Even thinking of declawing a cat
>implying people just shout random shit thats bad about declawing a cat with evidence for no reason
>>2065654
>the process to amputate either one is exactly the same.
there's three ways of doing it, none of which are regulated in any way. what I've been saying is that none of those three ways are taught to vets in a growing number of schools to be applied to the process of declawing. Could a vet still figure out how to do it? most likely. but the vet schools aren't going to teach them how
>>2065658
>it's less complex
no one said it wasn't
>the procedure is the same though
except it's not
>>2065660
>Could a vet still figure out how to do it? most likely
and that's all I'm saying.
Teaching it in vet school would be superfluous whether it was popular or not.
>>2065662
>except it's not
so tell me how it differs?
>>2065424
there is no butthole in that picture anon
>>2065664
you're arguing a point no one was even making you pompous ass
the point was that American vet schools were teaching the practice but are now not due to it being considered inhumane. I literally never said that a vet COULDN'T preform the procedure, but that it's not being taught to them as a sign that the practice is generally not supported in the veterinary community. but if it's never taught to them and they don't preform it often they would likely refer to a specialist instead of just "giving it a go". similar to how your primary care physician would refer you to someone in a specialized field if you have a problem they don't routinely deal with. especially since declawing isn't as easy as it sounds. especially if you use the scalpel method instead of the "guillotine"
>>2065665
>how are amputation of different body parts different
seriously?
even a back leg amputation isn't the same as a front leg amputation. that's like asking how a front leg amputation is different than amputating a tail
>>2065749
>tfw anon can't tell a cat vagina from a butthole
>>2065758
>the point was that American vet schools were teaching the practice but are now not due to it being considered inhumane
yes.
that point is false on both counts.
it was never taught in vet schools, and that has nothing to do with ethics.
you don't understand medical education because you have none. Which is fine but it's going to be funny every damn time you decide to tell others how things work.
You're a liar. a bad one.
>>2065758
>that's like asking how a front leg amputation is different than amputating a tail
I'm asking you to name specific differences in procedure.
I understand you don't know any, but I'm hoping your stupid ass will get on google and find out that I'm right. Apparently that's too much for you.
>>2065791
>it was never taught in vet schools
maybe not at the one you "taught" at
>you don't understand medical education because you have none
wrong again
>I'm asking you to name specific differences in procedure
for starters, one involves cutting the muscle connected to the chest wall and closing the flap of skin over the wound. and for hind legs the femur is typically cut.
for declawing it's usually that a curved blade is used to literally carve off the claw and bone it grows from while trying to preserve as much of the pad as possible
you seem to think that amputation of a body part is literally the same as another. yes, they are both amputation. no, they are not exactly the same
>>2065837
I'd love to hear about your medical education, you wouldn't even get into a medical school in the US.
but anyways, specific surgical procedures aren't usually covered in school because there isn't enough time to do every fucking thing you'll need to do as a vet. You do some common surgeries and that's it.
if you want to learn how to declaw cats all you need to do is an internship with any of the tens of thousands of vets in the US that do the procedure.
>for starters blah blah blah
other than the location of the amputation, the procedures you describe are identical.
>>2064684
>cat fad
>>2065838
You are a colossal faggot
>Inb4 your just mad that I'm so fucking right at everything where is your medical degree they are identical tho
Buy Soft Paws, they're nail caps for cats.
>better than causing health issues in your cats paws
>fucking arthritis
>fucking chopping off the first bone in each digit
>my word
