>>17069918

You're a pretty massive idiot who has combined immaturity with emotional reasoning combined with a good does of confirmation bias. Your shitty attitude towards will will continue to turn them off, which you'll use to reinforce your wrong-headed beliefs. Please do grow up and learn to understand women as people like anyone else. So long as you're this angry and afraid of them you'll never manage a healthy relationship since no one wants to be treated like an enemy combatant within a relationship. Your baseless paranoid will undermine all your attempts to connect with women so do consider unfucking your shit. Stop spending so much time in MRA echo-chambers and go work on developing healthy relationship with actual women. If you treat women well they will treat you well, if you assume the worst about them from the beginning and treat them poorly they'll either just run away or treat you poorly in return.

>>17069918
You're not entitled to anything. Intimate relationships, with anyone, are not for you. Stop trying. You will get burned if you maintain this attitude and keep pursuing a "meaningful relationship" in your twenties, mark my words.

>>17069918
>and I'm never going to have the charisma or money to attract one that isn't garbage.
You have already set yourself up to fail. You don't see yourself succeeding, and because of it you probably never will. Instead you wallow in self pity, anger, and despair from the bottom of the pit you keep yourself in by no choice other than your own. You can climb out or dig deeper. Whether or not you find something outside of that hole is a gamble, but you aren't gonna get lucky if you don't roll the dice.

>>17069951
>baseless paranoia
Do you know any men who are happy with their marriage? I don't. Do you know anyone over 40 who hasn't been divorced? I know one couple out of the hundreds of adults in my life

>>17069951
>>17069956
>>17069957
not the op but i feel his frustration,

i'm frustrated to the point where seeing ass like in the op makes me physically ill. That's why i stray away from boards like this that talk about sex non-stop and go to interests or creative

>>17069963
You should definitely keep yourself distracted so you don't have a meltdown over this stupid shit.

>>17069963
there's plenty of sex to be had, go see a fucking hooker

>>17069968
>meltdown

what do you mean

>>17069956
>Intimate relationships, with anyone, are not for you. Stop trying.

fucking idiot, obviously he's not gonna get a gf by complaining but he can still change the things that's preventing him from getting one. Why the fuck would you say they 'aren't for him'

>>17069958

I do, yes. But then again the company I keep tend to be good, mature folks. Even those who have divorced don't blame all 3.5 billion women, they just take issue with that single woman they made the mistake of marrying.

>>17069963

I wish I could better communicate to angry young men like you just how you have built your own prison. You're reinforcing a cognitive distortion that you could just as well disabuse yourself of and live a much less stressful life.

Look: if you for whatever reason decided that left-handed people were bad and took careful note of every single bad thing a left-handed person did while ignoring any wrong a right-handed person did you would, over time, accumulate a massive list of evils performed by the left-handed while still leaving the right-handed as blameless. Your initial confusion is compounding the more you fail to confront it. Women aren't out to get you. They are just normal people like men: some are jerks, most aren't. But if you assume the worst about them they will sense your fear and hate. You're a growling, snarling dog to them from the beginning. Do you want to date a snarling, growling dog that might bite you? Fuck no. You create the very bad experiences you are afraid of. Stop it.

>>17069987
i've done nothing wrong though, i smiled at this girl in my lecture and she snarled at me, literally snubbed me she probably guzzled chads semen later that night

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>>17069918
have you considered dating men ? That might solve all of your issues.

I'm sorry but with the attitude you have when it comes to women, you will never get the kind of relationship you seem to want.

Being a woman myself I can safely tell you this (feel free to hate me now):

I would never enter a serious relationship with someone who I know hates or dislikes me not because of who I am as a person, but because I have a vagina. I wouldn't want to be in a relationship where I would always feel like a bad guy or the enemdy of my significant other. A relationship or a marriage isn't a battlefield and neither partner, regardless of gender, can treat it as one, because they are dooming the entire thing to fail.

Maybe from the start your potential girlfriend won't see that you think of her this way (rose-tinded goggles and all that), but she will eventually see it and only be unhappy.

You must change your view on women if you want to have the relationship you're describing. You said that women saying "not all women" makes you dislike them even more, but this statement is true. Not only women, but people, aren't all the same. You have to somehow try and realise that women aren't some kind of robot that will react the same based on what you do. There is no universal key on how to be happy in a relationship. You just have to treat each other with respect and work together for the sake of both of you. If you enter a relationship or a marriage with the embedded idea that it will fail because she is a cunt and will take all your shit in 10 years, you are dooming it from the very start.

>>17070018
it's hard to change your view when you've never received so much as a HANDHOLD from at least a mildly attractive (4+/10) female

>>17070000

A single woman was rude to you, so what? That doesn't mean she is guzzling semen or whatever, that's just you making shit up because you're upset. If you take that rudeness and blame all women for it you're going to end up with some very unrealistic beliefs about women based on nothing but emotions. You have no idea why she was rude. She may just as well have been cranky for reasons having nothing to do with you.

When a man is a rude to you do you specifically remember it and blame all men for it? No, you just assume the man is a jerk without blaming men as a group. Do women the same courtesy and save yourself the kind of bitter resentment that will lead you to have more bad encounters with women in the future.

Also how many men have you tried to date? If you're only trying to date women then you'll only be potentially rejected by women, so it has nothing to do with women and everything to do with your sample bias. Try to date some men and see if a few are rude to you, that might even out your feelings a bit.

>>17070024

Your views and attitudes are WHY women don't want to be around you. Why would any woman want to be with a man who hates and fears her?

>>17070035
what if i told you most females i've encountered have been rude to me? You won't believe me but that doesn't take away from the fact that it's true

>>17070038
if i had a white gf who isn't albanian and doesn't have fetal alcohol syndrome or obesity i would be happy. My standards are low as fuck and i'm a wealthy white 18 year old

>>17069918
Not reading all that shit but here's two things you dont get:

1) the divorce statistics are horribly skewed by kids in their late teens/ early 20's getting married then divorcing like a year later because they were way too young to know what they want in life. The majority of marriages between people in their mid 20's on up actually last. People don't know this because people don't bother to actually research it before making a life decision about marriage.

2) Not all women from all countries are the same. I've lived in multiple countries for my career, and I can tell you I will never date an american woman again. Take a vacation or find some international dating site or something. American women are no competition for women from most other continents.

>>17070049

If you really dislike, fear, and hate women I would expect most of your experiences with them to be negative. People can sense when someone is afraid of them and it turns them off. Since you assume any woman is bad before you even know her she'll already be on the defensive. You are creating your own problem.

>>17070024
Are you OP?

Well, maybe the first step would be to stop talking about them as numbers? I don't really see that as something that would help you much. If you talk about a person as a number you will eventually come to think of them that way too. So you will enter the initial conversation think "this 4" instead of "this person".

If course, I don't know you so I can't judge how you actually act towards people, but from what you said so far I'm getting the feeling that you look at everything else but the girl you're talking to.
You don't see her as a normal person when you look at her. You first see a number on a 1-10 scale, then you start thinking about how she will be the same as everyone else and act like a bitch. That mindset can change the way people react to you, not just women.

Try to imagine that you are with someone who does the same thing to you. In a relationship she would second guess everything you do and try to find some hidden meaning behind it just to affirm her opinion that all men are dicks. You would probably get tired of that quickly. Same goes the other way around.

Maybe you could go see a psychologist? It could help you, I think, moreso than this discussion.

>>17070076
well i don't 'act' towards women because they ignore me completely, walking past them on the street is as far as our interactions go

I'm at university, so far one girl has talked to me unfortunately she was overweight. Despite this, i was kind to her and was all smiles the entire time

>>17070081
Unfortunately she was overweight, but despite her being overweight you smiled at her?

Let me ask you this. Do you see nothing wrong with what you said there? Genuinely answer me, please.

>>17070018
I don't WANT to hate women, it's come with time and living my life. I don't want an enemy I want that American dream fairy tale like I said in my op. THat other guy who's responding to you isn't me.

>You said that women saying "not all women" makes you dislike them even more, but this statement is true
Well, but no it isn't. Every time you say you don't mind a virgin boy there's 15 guys saying how they got dumped after telling her. And the reality is that "most" of the young girls on here will grow up to do everything described in OP.

>some kind of robot that will react the same based on what you do.
A tall muscular guy in a tight fitting shirt slaps your ass in public, an hour later you're sucking his dick. A short slouchy guy with acne scars slaps your ass in public and you spray him with mace and call the police.
You value social status, which I do not have.

>If you enter a relationship or a marriage with the embedded idea that it will fail because she is a cunt and will take all your shit in 10 years, you are dooming it from the very start.
This might actually be true with the whole "expectations determine your reality" thing but I only believe this way because it's all I've ever seen in my life.

>>17070089
i don't use physical appearence to determine whether or not i should treat a women kindly, it's just unfortunate that she wasn't atleast a 3.5/10. I reiterate, my standards are low as fuck and i'm not even ugly plus im rich for my age

>>17070092
>I don't want to hate women
This is what detractors don't understand. I don't want to dislike women either and I don't hate all of them. That said when I talk negatively about women it's based on things I have seen and experienced.

>>17069957
>You can climb out or dig deeper. Whether or not you find something outside of that hole is a gamble, but you aren't gonna get lucky if you don't roll the dice.
I know you're trying to be reassuring but the point is why bother trying when the odds are already stacked against me.

>>17069979
>change the things that's preventing him from getting one
Change what?

>>17069987
Oh it's not about selective bias, I hate people in general. Like I said I work low wage blue collar work and I'm surrounded by shit men who take drugs on the clock and I implied I disapprove of the whole "player" lifestyle - but that's basically the only alternative to relationships other than being alone and watching porn all day.
> Women aren't out to get you
There are no examples of decent women in my life though and coming here I see what you actually expect from your own mouths and it disgusts me even more

>>17070102
>Change what?

everything he said in his post, you fucking twat. Confidence and the rest of it

>>17069918
>yes methhead trailer trash moms flirt with me all the time
I dont know why but this makes me sad
Im fit, educated, employed and tall but i never have girls flirt with me. Enjoy it man

Seems to me youre just venting and you more than anything want confirmation. Maybe look into that instead?

>>17070092
>A tall muscular guy in a tight fitting shirt slaps your ass in public, an hour later you're sucking his dick.
I can tell you this is just not true and youre making a fool of yourself
Im that sort of guy youre describing and sure, this does grant me some leeway in my interactions with girls where i can place arms around them or hand on hips with no problem but if i slap a random girl on the ass and just say "hey baby" im going to get slapped back
You think girls just bend over backwards for random guys attention like that?

Look youre bitter, i get it. but it wont help
I get that way too sometimes because its hard to find what we want in this life, no matter who you are you still will encounter difficulty in this area

>>17070064
Why wouldn't you date an american woman?

>>17070165
>she's going to turn into a cow and bully me out of my hobbies and friends and never have sex until years later she steals the house and turns me into an child support slave.

>>17070165
Im not Op but its fairly common knowledge that american women are very entitled, and the divoce laws dont really help either
I mean most western women are entitled but american women are aparently the worst

>>17070165
Basically these two people got it right
>>17070169
>>17070181
American women are very entitled and want more from you than they are willing to contribute. Relationships with foriegn women are more equal. I'm sure men from other countries have plenty of complaints about their women, but I strongly doubt they would say relationships are easier with American women if they had any experience with them at all.

>>17069918
>I still desire a relationship even though I hate women
This is extremely common among straight misogynists. Strangely, there doesn't seem to be a corresponding phenomenon among straight misandrists: they exist, but, as a rule, don't expect the men they hate to love them back, and aren't interested anyway. There are a number of competing hypotheses as to why this might be, but no one is really sure.

>>17070024
>it's hard to change your view when you've never received so much as a HANDHOLD from at least a mildly attractive (4+/10) female
Sure it is. It's not pleasant -the first step is realising that it's all your fault, which is never a fun moment- but it's not difficult. You already have all the tools you need; the rest is just a matter of engaging them. This takes a while -breaking habits just does- but you CAN do it.

>>17070250
>American women are very entitled and want more from you than they are willing to contribute.
Not really. They ask you to make the first move, yes, but that's true anywhere in the world you might look. This is done specifically to filter out men who are too afraid to approach women, so if that phrase describes you, then it is ti,e to start looking into practicing some baseline courage. Maybe even get professional help, if your fear rises to the level of honest gynophobia.

The only other thing men are generally expected to do in a relationship is pay attention. That's it. Two jobs, and one of them is a one-time thing. If tou cannot handle these, then you are not ready for relationships, with American women or any other kind. So grow, and become ready, and THEN you can start worrying about stuff like this. Right now, it is not for you.

>>17070308
I dont think thats what he means though, it has more to do with how you expect a partner to be
Most american women expect alot from a guy, he has to be fit, tall, educated, financially well off, smart, funny and the list goes on. It might not be exactly these things but the general sense of the word is "I deserve this without any effort because i am me and im great"

So women who are overweight, undereducated and generally dont contribute with any kind of self improvement demand very much from a guy and i think thats what he/they mean by entitled

If you truly believe all a woman wants if for you to make the first move then you are sorely mistaken, this is included too ofc but just making a move will end up in tons of rejection unless you fit their demands

>>17069918
Why would anyone want to be with someone like you ?

>>17070308
>women hide behind this particular strict gender role to mask their own romantic insecurities
Fixed it for ya. Everyone just wants to be validated, and to have somebody want and choose them. But men and women both struggle with taking that risk by being vulnerable to another. Its easy to sit on your was and wait to get asked out. Women don't do it because they need to filter out cowards, they do it because they themselves are cowards.

>>17070308
I'm the one you are responding to, and I am not op. I've dated many women and been all over the world. I'm in the miliatry and certainly not afraid of women. I currently have an italian girlfriend.

Additionally, nothing you said is accurate in refuting my opinions. I've even been married before, for years. I'm 28, I have plenty of relationship experience and made my decisions based upon over a decade of dating across over a dozen countries.

Nice try though.

>>17070323
This guy understands what I was getting at.

I went back and read OP, and a few posts in here. It does seem like the op is a bit of a whiny defeatist.

>>17070358
>>17070308
Also you gotta keep in mind how much shit men get if they approach the wrong way. Getting called creepy, being shot down harshly etc. Are all risks men take when they ask a girl out. If men have to sympathise with women's risks like pregnancy, then the least women could do is realize what men have to put up with, like getting rejected repeatedly only to be told they need to keep doing it or else they die alone.

>>17070330
I'm actually pretty well liked - I've lived in a bunch of different places all over the US and can make friends easily wherever I go, I'm always a favorite at work and quickly get promotions etc. Always told I'm funny.

And I fantasize about being a good husband and father. I fantasize about playfully slapping my wife's ass while we cook dinner together, I'd love to be in my children's lives playing monopoly or throwing a frisbee or reading dr suess or whatever. I was the oldest kid in a big family so I'm used to, and enjoy, playing with young kids.

I do have solid family values but I don't see that reciprocated in women, all I see are monsters who shit all over their husbands needs for years before divorce. And I'm ugly, poor and have no confidence so the only women interested in me anyway are like I said, garbage drug addicts and single moms and shit who aren't even relationship material.

>>17070380

So, essentially you are bitter towards all women because the women in your league aren't good enough for you?

>>17070386
Ouch!

>>17070386
No, that doesn't really have much to do with it. Even hot girls grow into garbage wives. "If momma ain't happy nobody happy." I'm sure even Adriana Lima shits on her husband.

>>17070394

I'm curious what are you basing this assumption on? Does it come from common stereotypes or have you witnessed such marriages (i.e. your parents) or something?

>>17070394
Dude you're so cringeworthy.

Those """"""""girls"""""""" that are in your """""""""""""""""""""league""""""""""""""""""""" must be some real winners!

>>17070386
That was just an addendum.
No men are happy in their marriage. Go online and look how men have to give up all their inoffensive hobbies, check craigslist for anything from Star Wars memorabilia to water skis and see how often you see "the wife says it has to go." Control for the sake of control, bullying for the sake of bullying. Like the other guy said "if the wife ain't happy, ain't nobody happy." Even hot women gain 60 pounds after two years of marriage anyway and have sex once a month "I have a headache."

I have an older coworker and when someone says "how's the wife treating you?" he says "like a diaper."

Throw tantrums to control his behavior and spend his money on manicures and purses. AND THE EVENTUAL DIVORCE.

I'm saying "I have this fantasy of marriage, and I'm disappointed and don't know how to proceed because I see that that's just a fantasy". Like I said before, I can literally only think of one single happy couple out of the hundreds of older people I know. Everyone else is either divorced or together but miserable.

>>17070400
>I'm curious what are you basing this assumption on?
I know its not much but im throwing in some anecdotal evidence here aswell
my exgf was super sexual when we started dating and we had sex everytime we met but after she learned i was hers she dialed it back and sex became a twice a year thing
I wasnt happy with it so i talked to her about it and she litterally said "tough shit, what are you gonna do about it?"
I dont hate women but power corrupts and women have all the power in the relationship because they know how the single market works for guys and without competition they can do whatever the fuck they want since most guys would rather stick around and hope things improve than kill that chance by leaving her and becoming single

>>17070400
Mostly real life also places like this. Parents, older coworkers, friend's parents. Even this thread no one's even said anything other than "it's your fault for being crazy not all women are like that". Meanwhile they complain about not being able to find a "decent guy" almost as if millions of other men have also woken up to how things are and don't want to play a rigged game anymore.

>>17070323
>"I deserve this without any effort because i am me and im great"
Yes but the only people not ruined by feminism aren't going to allow their daughter to marry a white guy

>>17069918
Improve yourself faggot.

Women want 3 qualities in a guy (in this order)
>Social Status
>Attractiveness
>Intelligence

The 1st you attain by getting your life together and getting a better job, more education, or just conducting yourself in a way that commands respect. This is the hardest to change because it takes the longest.

Attractiveness- There's literally no reason to not make exercising a weekly thing that you do. Learn how to eat healthy and you'll see enormous improvements.Other things you can go, get acne medicine if you need, get a better haircut, buy better clothes (if you don't know not to wear cargos, you're fucking yourself).

Intelligence is easily faked. A lot of this is a sense of humor, practical knowledge, and emotional intelligence.

It'll take sometime but you gotta improve your life if you want to meet your goals. It's the only way,

>>17069958
No one in my immediate family is divorced. LOL
I feel sorry for you delusional fuckers. Drown in your own negative image of this world if you are so eager to do so.

Op, we can't change your mind, so just assume you are looking for the 10% of women who aren't "like that". If you try you might fail, but if you don't try you'll definitely fail. It's up to you to adapt to the world because the world won't adapt to you.

You're going to get something equal to what you offer whether you're male or female, so improve yourself if you want a higher quality partner. Saying you'll only get ONS if you work out is an excuse.

Your negative outlook is a major problem for finding happiness, even if it's seemingly realistic from your personal experience. Actively seek out better relationship role models. You can find them in real life, YouTube videos, therapy, and nonfiction books.

I know if I was surrounded by failed relationships, I'd be bitter too. You can't go to /r9k/ daily and expect not to be affected. Surround yourself with the antithesis of that place and you'll be affected positively instead of negatively. It honestly doesn't matter who is right when you just need it to be right for you and your outlook.

Good relationships are possible but not if you go into one aggressively looking for signs of failure. This thinking can mess up what could've worked otherwise.

If other people have gotten the dream, you can too. But your fears could potentially ruin your chances if you don't do anything to change them.

The only relationship I've had wasn't until age 28. I was looking for someone to spend the rest of my life with, and I really liked this guy. I could tell he had had bad experiences with women up until that point. I felt sorry that he'd had these unfair circumstances. I was kissless and handholdless, and I approached him first. So it should've been a safe bet for him and put his mind at ease, but he never once gave me the benefit of the doubt. For example, he assumed I was cheating on him if I didn't reply to him within 24 hours. If I couldn't meet him because I was legitimately sick, he took it as me blowing him off. He would find little things that he believed indicated I didn't care about him. In reality, I thought about him all day every day and was going to the doctor so he could be my first (and hopefully only) time.

That never got to happen. I had to get out of the relationship, because he didn't trust me, and therefore treated me badly for things I didn't do or assumed I had thoughts I didn't have. He always assumed the worst things about my intentions. The terrible part is that I'm sure that breaking up reaffirmed his hatred of women, but it literally never would've happened if he hadn't hated women in the first place.

You're not in danger of being naive about women. You already know how to protect yourself, but it's turned into a kind of cage that keeps the good out too.

>>17071154
>You're not in danger of being naive about women. You already know how to protect yourself, but it's turned into a kind of cage that keeps the good out too.
What do you mean by this?

>>17069918
You don't sound like you hate women at all.

>>17069958
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/14/marriage-is-more-beneficial-for-men-than-women-study-shows/

>>17071397
I should elaborate because looks like OP is still here.

OP work on your attitude and don't be so cynical. I'm not saying everything you're saying is wrong, but look at the brightside.

Women and marriage is to make your life better, an addition, not to MAKE your life, that comes after. And yes, I know MANY older people who have happy marriages. Find someone who is compatible with you so you can work alongside them in life. Work on your attitude, again. You seem like you could be a pretty heartwarming great guy, but not with the cynicism on you. Women are not the greatest thing in the world, but they can sure as FUCK add a lot of happiness to your life.

One more thing, your wife won't necessarily fuck your life up in later years unless you marry someone who's not on the same page as you, so find someone you're compatible with. In that case, she won't stop fucking you, won't leave you, won't take the house and kids etc.

>>17069918
Learn to look beyond gender and instead look at each person individually. Just because you have had bad experiences with women doesn't mean everyone is like that. Look more at how the person acts with you and how they treat you or their merits. Actions speak louder than words after all. You're looking to start a relationship with a person, not a cardboard cutout with the word woman printed across it. Also, if you're not meeting anyone good it's because you're looking in the wrong places.

>>17069918
You are essentially right. You have one option you haven't accounted for, and that is to raise your status. I don't mean just money, either, as that can be taken from you in a "no-fault" divorce. You need social status of some kind.

>>17069951
>Please do grow up and learn to understand women as people like anyone else

Don't do this. Women are vey different from men. The way society is set up, low-status men are basically irrelevant: women don't want them, they are expected to work physical labor jobs for low pay, they are expected to be cannon fodder during war time, etc. Women have no respect for a low-status man. You aren't even human to them.

>>17069987
>I wish I could better communicate to angry young men like you just how you have built your own prison. You're reinforcing a cognitive distortion that you could just as well disabuse yourself of and live a much less stressful life.

I have family that have been burned. The woman gets the house—that's the way it goes. Even if you have kids you can never be sure they are yours. Men that are low-status but still financially well-off are targets—yes, flat ass targets—for attractive and semi-attractive women. The kid won't be yours and you will still lose the house, and it will all be your fault for being such a naïve socially unintelligent moron.

>>17070018
>Being a woman myself

Relationships with women are fine, the bitch just needs to know her place. I would never date a woman who thinks of me as low-status. Also, women like to shit-test, and the more socially unaware you are, the more likely you are to not understand what is going on and fall for it. You should probably have a friend that has social cunning to help you understand your social position if you are one of those guys. Bitches will be bitches—and that means all of them if they think they are higher on the food chain than you. Be cynical, be smart, that way you don't lose your house and raise Chad's kid like some expendable cuck.

>>17072255
As a side to this: if this comes off as ruthless, it is. Sexual selection is ruthless in general. Men and women can't be friends, not really. Men take advantage of women for sex, and women take advantage of men for resources. Humans are self-serving assholes, not just women. Never trust a ho, though, no matter what they say.

>>17071410
>>17071095
>>17071154
That was kind of nice to hear.
You're probably right that my negative outlook is causing some of the problems. When I was in high school (24 now) the only girl I've ever dated cheated on me after 3 years. It's not that I'm still upset over her that was half a decade ago it's more that because my parents were also both cheaters I just haven't seen happy couples.

But at the same time when that's you're life it's hard to convince yourself "they aren't all like that?

>>17069958
>Do you know anyone over 40 who hasn't been divorced? I know one couple out of the hundreds of adults in my life

Where the fuck do you live that has it this bad

>>17073230
I've been everywhere, grew up in the midwestern US then spent several years in the south and on the east coast, it's the same everywhere. I can think of several happy couples where at least one of them is on their 2nd or 3rd marriage so I wasn't counting them.

>>17069958
Nobody in my immediate family is divorced and about 95% of my friends have their parents still married. (The other 5% the mom divorced the dad 20+ years ago because she realized she was a closeted lesbian)

If you put effort into your relationships, it will work out. Who would have thought that?

>>17069958
That's because America is a sick fucked up society where divorce is promoted as something positive .
Why try to work on a human relationship and fix it when you can just start a new one !?
That's whats wrong.

>woman are consistantly petty and rude to OP

That sounds about right

>woman comes in, blames OP for it and says he's just scared of women

10/10 advice

>>17070380

>And I fantasize about being a good husband and father. I fantasize about playfully slapping my wife's ass while we cook dinner together, I'd love to be in my children's lives playing monopoly or throwing a frisbee or reading dr suess


> Do you know anyone over 40 who hasn't been divorced? I know one couple out of the hundreds of

This is actually really sad. I don't think op means to be so hateful :(

>>17070092
Sorry OP, I couldn't reply to you from the pc yesterday because it kept telling me I have no connection (wtf really...).

I can't speak for women in your area because I don't know them. I can't really judge their behaviour from behind my pc.

I can safely tell you, at least speaking for myself and the women who I know here, that the values you describe aren't present everywhere in the world (hence "not all women").

My be was a virgin when we met, he is now my husband.
I heavily prefer slim or skinny guys to muscular guys.
No woman I know would suck that cock of a man who slapped her ass in public. It doesn't matter if he were skinny or muscular or whatever, he still slapped my ass like I'm a piece of meat, meaning he has 0 respect for me.
This actually happened to me personally. I was getting into a bus and a guy who was getting out grabbed me by the crotch. I elbowed him in the head (couldn't reach well, but it's the thought that counts).
I'm not trying to turn this to a post about me, I just really wanted to show you that there are women outside of this view you have. Please believe me when I tell you this.

I feel very bad that you live in a place where the attitudes you describe are a common norm. It's a problem that society overall seems to have with values. I wouldn't say that it's your fault for thinking of women the way you do, I just wouldn't want you to pass up on a truly good girl because you will assume she is like the rest. You never know where you will end up, you may even end up living in a completely different place. Just don't lose hope and don't forsake every woman in advance because you may end up losing the right one too. It will be hard, but try to look at a girl as an individual person. If she turns out to be a douche, you can move on to another person.
I really think you will only harm your possible future relationships if every bitch you meet adds a line to your list of why all women are bitches.

too many replies to read them all. I'll just add going to the gym is fun in and of itself. fucking 18 year olds 10 years my younger is just the cherry on top. stop being a whiney self-loathing-chode/bitch and make and to earn the friendship of a better you

>>17071154
>was going to the doctor so he could be my first (and hopefully only) time.
?

You are the equivalent of fat annoying girls that complain about how there aren't any good guys anymore lol

>>17069918
>sehnsucht
I forgive your neckbeard, hypocritical ways simply for using this word effectively in a sentence. Well done.
> fuck my wife still wearing her apron
Well I hope not because cooking makes an actual mess, not just those fake messes you hear about on the internet, and you shouldn't bring grease and food particles to bed.
>Even though I know that's fantasy and that she's going to turn into a cow
>But I don't really like the alternative either.
Your description of the alternative is laughable. Laughable. It doesn't have to be like that.
>#notallwomen but 90% ARE
This is true, but it's also true because YOU make it true through your actions. So yes, women are people and most people are dog shit to me. Most people are like little kids to me who can't help themselves or think properly. That includes women.

But here is the problem OP - you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You've read redpill. I like redpill too so I say +1. You've accepted where you're at as far as your sexual market value. +2. You're honest about seeing the hypocrisy in yourself. +3.

But you still don't know what the "alternative" life is like. You're projecting hard.
>I don't want to go full fuckboy and spend years at the gym and fuck dumb 18 year olds when I'm 30 until I get herpes or charged with rape or both. Everyone just does ONS and that just doesn't even appeal to me, why bother fucking a stranger.
That's a whole bunch of baloney man. Let me tell you why (cont.)

>>17074983
This is my perspective of your "alternative" reality. This is just my perspective /disclaimer.
>I don't want to go full fuckboy
You can use whatever slang you want, but I hope you understand that the term "fuck boy" actually originated as such:
> Ghetto slang for a bitch, prison slang for the guy who takes it up the ass. Does NOT mean a player that "braeks girls hearts ;-;". The phrase has been used for ages (especially by the Hip-Hop scene), so don't ask me why the fuck it's so popular right now.
So, to anyone who actually uses the term fuckboy right, you're referring to yourself as a guy who takes it up the ass. Your choice.
>spend years at the gym
Try 4 months to show noticeable results that should get you excited. if you don't show results after 4 months, you're not lifting right, eating right, or both. Simple as that. So you don't have to spend "years" in the gym - you can spend 1 hour, 3 times per week for 4 months and start there. That's 3 hours per week. You can't workout for 3 hours per week? Don't front on me boy. You have 3 hours per week.

>fuck dumb 18 year olds when I'm 30
You say this because you haven't fucked an 18 year old when you're 30. I have. It's heaven. Try it, then tell me how you feel about it. Also, not all 18 year olds are dumb. Projecting.
>etc. etc. etc.
In general, you are creating a strawman (how shitty it'll be to be 30 fucking 18 year olds) and then arguing against that fake reality.

it's not like that. it doesn't have to be like that.

>>17071172
I mean, it sounds like the paranoia of making a bad choice is driving away good choices you could make. >>17073211
I'm sorry. That's rough. I think once you experience or see a good relationship example or two it'll help, just like hanging out with stable people can be better for you mentally than hanging out with depressed people. If you're seeing cheating everywhere you go, it could be in the culture of the people you hang out with. People who stay married have some traits in common. This list sort of goes into that http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/05/19/15-ways-to-predict-divorce.html

>>17074916
Wow my sentence made no sense. I was trying to say that I wanted my first partner to be my only one for life (even though real life doesn't always work out that way). I was going to the doctor to get birth control and an STD test despite virgin because it wouldn't be fair to ask him to get one without doing one myself.

>>17070094
>i'm not even ugly plus im rich for my age
You have a really shit personality though. Just ask a broke slut to be your sugar baby if you're this fucking desperate.

>>17070386
You're not seeing the whole picture.
Yeah there might be some out there that won't turn into animals within the first 2-5 years.
But they would never take me.
They want an educated confident charismatic guy. I'm a factory worker who blushes and stutters when a pretty waitress is trying to take my order. I'm fucking creepy and everyone tells me all the time. "Good personality"? No, I like gore and ddlg. No amount of time at the gym will fix my face.

Which means the only option I have is throwing myself to the vultures and putting up with decades of emotional abuse before everything I've worked for in my life is stolen in the name of equality. Why bother playing when the only outcome is losing?