>inb4 its all ogre now this is the future you chose
I'm not in this position but I hear of it all the time and it makes me worry about it
It used to be that if a woman got pregnant the man could just waive all custody rights to the kid and bam, he is absolved of all responsibility, now if a women gets pregnant, and she refuses to abort it or put it up for adoption, then she can demand that the man stick around for 18 years and help raise it, or give her child support payments for 18 years.
Why is it that as soon as the women is pregnant that the man is basically at her mercy?
>inb4 he got her pregnant
No THEY got her pregnant together, he didn't rape her and force her to get pregnant, they both chose to have sex and ooops she is pregnant.
>he didnt have a problem making the baby
No shit, and that's not the point
>a real man blahblahblah
I could say a real women is stronk and independent enough to not need no man to raise her kid if I wanted to go that equally stupid route
There is one trump card for men though, its highly illegal but if you do it right it will work and you wont get caught, you have to use RU486 or other abortion drugs and make the woman consume it without her knowledge, it will terminate the pregnancy, you pretend to be upset about it and hang around for a month or so, and then you break it off and leave.
But none of that should be necessary to begin with, why do women think that its up to them whether to keep the kid or not and if they chose to keep it that the guy HAS to help?
>Why do women think men have some obligation to help with kids?
This is not a question that women ask, it's a law. If you don't like the law, change country.
>its a dumb law, get rid of it
This law protects women, if men would be absolved of responsibility from raping and impregnating women the amount of sexual assaults on women would increase drastically. Or think of it this way, what if your woman was raped and had to bear the child of a rapist because pro-life abortion laws block her from doing so? Is she stuck with the kid with zero financial aid? What if this was your woman who was raped?
We are a civilized society, if you're going to stick your dick in a woman you are responsible for your actions.
>>16908595
Your entire argument is based around the guy raping the girl, but I already said that that's not what happens in 99% of all cases and in the 1% that it does happen in the guy has way bigger problems to worry about than child support payments
>>16908626
>Your entire argument is based around the guy raping the girl
My argument isn't based on "the guy raping the girl", it's to prove the point that the law it is a deterrent to assault.
The woman has as much choice to keep the child as much as you have the choice to cum in her pussy, you are pretending as if the man is absolved of any action.
>>16908654
>This law protects women, if men would be absolved of responsibility from raping and impregnating women the amount of sexual assaults on women would increase drastically.
That's literally what you said.
It's not a deterrent to assault, its a way for women to have the ability to keep the kid and make the guy help.
>>16908654
If the woman tells the man he can cum in her pussy, and she tells him that if she gets pregnant she will abort it or put it up for adoption, and then once she is pregnant she doesn't do either one and demands he helps, then she is a two faced cunt and the guy has every right to abort it himself.
I read that male abortion is becoming a thing. I'm sure it goes deeper, but if a woman can bail and just kill it, why can't a male bail and just ignore it?
I'm not going to speak on morality, just the fact that partners have equal options
>I'm not going to speak on morality
Well then who gives a shit about what anybody does
>>16908666
Nice trips, also you don't seem to get it.
My point is its a law to protect people, the topic of rape is only one example (which I used), you pretty much said my entire point was about rape, which is false.
>If the woman tells the man he can cum in her pussy, and she tells him that if she gets pregnant she will abort it or put it up for adoption, and then once she is pregnant she doesn't do either one and demands he helps, then she is a two faced cunt and the guy has every right to abort it himself.
First of all, you're talking as if abortion is an easy as drinking coffee. For a lot of people the closest abortion facility is five thousand miles away, and that's if their parents don't intervene because of religious beliefs. Nevermind the varying costs of performing the deed and the mental trauma related to it.
Yes, some women maliciously get pregnant, but that's not the majority. It's not as simple an issue as you make it sound.
>>16908693
To be honest if it isn't any skin off my nose, I give no fuck what anyone does. That's not to say I don't look at some parts of society and shake my head, but at the end of the day I have mine, you know?
I'm not going to make someone else play by my rules, and I expect the same from them. I know the obvious thing here is "but don't you live by your country's laws?" So let's not be obtuse.
>>16908704
If a guy and a girl both mutually agree to have sex, and they both agree that pregnancy is unwanted and if it happens they will abort or put it up for adoption, and the girl accidentally gets pregnant and then renigs on what she promised and decides to keep it and then demands he help or pay money then that is wrong.
If the guy pledges to help and then when she gets pregnant he tries to run off then that is wrong.
All a girl has to do to avoid getting pregnant and having to deal with a guy who doesn't want any part in it is to make it very clear that either he promises to help if it happens or they don't have sex.
Also a girl can go on birth control pills and use them constantly, if they fail or she forgets then it is not the guys fault and they should abort or put it up for adoption.
>First of all, you're talking as if abortion is an easy as drinking coffee. For a lot of people the closest abortion facility is five thousand miles away, and that's if their parents don't intervene because of religious beliefs. Nevermind the varying costs of performing the deed and the mental trauma related to it.
None of that is relevant, as a guy I want to be able to have bareback sex and never have to pay child support or hang around for years on end, if I make it very clear to the girl and she is ok with it and we both take steps to ensure that nothing goes wrong, and things do go wrong, and she backs out and changes her mind then I reserve the right to secretly get her to ingest drugs to terminate the pregnancy.
One party backing out of an agreement does not void the agreement.
>>16908726
>If a guy and a girl both mutually agree to have sex, and they both agree that pregnancy is unwanted and if it happens they will abort or put it up for adoption, and the girl accidentally gets pregnant and then renigs on what she promised and decides to keep it and then demands he help or pay money then that is wrong.
No it's not, because what you and the woman agree on has literally nothing to do with how difficult having an abortion actually is. If the law/economics/society prevents her from having an abortion, is it her fault?
Agreeing on something doesn't guarantee anything you fool.
>None of that is relevant, as a guy I want to be able to have bareback sex and never have to pay child support or hang around for years on end
Get a vasectomy.
>One party backing out of an agreement does not void the agreement.
You agreement isn't based on law, it's based on hope and best-case scenarios, which is fucking useless in the real world.
>>16908750
>No it's not, because what you and the woman agree on has literally nothing to do with how difficult having an abortion actually is. If the law/economics/society prevents her from having an abortion, is it her fault?
No but its not his problem.
Agreeing on it damn well does faggot, I will not let some stupid bitch trap me for years on end because of muh baby feels I wanna be a mommy ='(
>Get a vasectomy.
Actually been thinking about it, but it still shouldn't be a requirement.
>You agreement isn't based on law, it's based on hope and best-case scenarios, which is fucking useless in the real world.
Well that's why I have RU486 as a back up, in case she wants to be difficult.
>>16908756
>Agreeing on it damn well does faggot
If a woman isn't physically capable of getting an abortion, is she supposed to kill herself? What the fuck is your solution? Maybe she doesn't want the kid either but is obligated to birth it, the responsibility falls on both of you.
>Actually been thinking about it, but it still shouldn't be a requirement.
Kind of a double-standard here, you expect women to go under the table but not yourself? Freeze your sperm if you want future children and do it.
>Well that's why I have RU486 as a back up, in case she wants to be difficult.
Literally no guarantee of that working, or of it being safe.
>>16908756
Not that guy, but it annoys me that some people come in here with their minds made up and use the board as a debate forum.
>>16908774
>If a woman isn't physically capable of getting an abortion, is she supposed to kill herself? What the fuck is your solution? Maybe she doesn't want the kid either but is obligated to birth it
Then she gives it up for adoption, no there is no responsibility on either one of us, put it up for adoption and be done with it.
>Kind of a double-standard here, you expect women to go under the table but not yourself?
If the woman agree to it in advance or agrees to put it up for adoption in advance, then yes.
>Literally no guarantee of that working
Keep giving her doses until she comes to you crying one day saying that the baby is gone and you pretend to be upset when really your relieved.
>or of it being safe
Totally not my problem if I am facing 64,000 dollars worth of child support payments or 18 years worth of playing daddy.
She shouldn't have put me in the position to begin with.
>but you got her pregnant
Already discussed that no I didn't we did together
>>16908750
>vasectomy
There you go OP. Now you can raw fuck willy nilly without the risk of conceiving your retarded spawn.
>>16908793
I'm not going to continue replying because I've pretty much laid out all my points already, I'd just be repeating myself.
Point is, it's a woman's right to keep the child and the law enforces the man to support his child. You can disagree with it, but it's not going to change shit.
Your options are:
-A vasectomy
-Changing country where the laws are different
-Wearing a condom (the horror)
-Fapping to porn (best option)
>>16908821
Fuck the woman, and fuck the law, I am not above breaking the law to save myself and I will do it if its either that or something way worse.
My options are: Do whatever you want but always have mifepristone as backup.
The end.
>>16908830
All that trouble just to be able to bareback?
When you go to jail, make sure to lube your anus before taking a shower...Jamal won't be worried about you getting pregnant.
>>16908849
You act like I'd get caught, the only time someone gets caught doing it is when they act happy about it and immediately break it off, if you act all shocked and sad and wait a while before breaking up she will have no idea.
>muh prison rape joke
I always love how triggered women get over rape but when its happening to a guy its magically funny.
>>16908857
People willing to commit serious crimes for no decent reason usually end up going to jail for one reason or another.
The easiest solution is fucking keeping it in your pants, not constructing some sort of fucked up fetus murder plan to avoid child support.
>>16908885
>People willing to commit serious crimes for no decent reason usually end up going to jail for one reason or another.
Most criminals have double digit IQs and can't or wont plan for shit and are incredibly sloppy.
I'm not most criminals.
>The easiest solution is fucking keeping it in your pants
No, I want bareback pussy with 0 consequences.
>>16908556
>Why is it that as soon as the women is pregnant that the man is basically at her mercy?
Because men let their nuts get clipped by their women for pussy. Most men are whipped bitches to their women so when their women go off on some fuck shit like this, pussy bois are like "Oh mah gawd OK Mrs. Boss."
Also, society has a deep, deep fascination with putting the interests of children ahead of adults. I don't agree with it, but it's a biologically encouraged thing for the preservation of the species. And thus the court system in the United States makes the argument that forcing a man to pay for children is "in the best interests of the child." Yeah, ok (no).
The rabbit hole goes deeper. If a woman cuckolds a man and the man signs that he's the father (because he's been lied to by the wife), the court will force him to pay child support the REST OF THE CHILD's LIFE even IF a DNA test proves the child ISN'T HIS.... AND EVEN IF the *real* biological father of the child is found.
You hearing me? A woman can defraud a man, have him sign that he's the father, then force a DNA test showing he's not the father, take away his parental rights (because he's not the biological father), kick him out of the family home (ordered and enforced by the courts), MARRY the biological father, have the BIO father move into the cucked father's old house... and the court will STILL make the cucked father pay child support. because:
>it's in the best interests of the child.
PIC RELATED. MY GAWD the stupidity.
This is exactly why I will be getting a paternity test for every single one of my children, regardless of whether or not the woman thinks:
>HUUUR U DONT TRUST ME DEEEERRRRR
It's too dangerous not to be certain it's mine.
>inb4 he got her pregnant
Yeah women love to say this in a dismissive tone when discussing male parental rights. You flip it by saying:
>Then you have no right to an abortion
>BUT ITS MAAAAAH BODY
>BUT U CHOSE TO HAVE SEX - same logic.
>>16908556
>Sounds oddly similar to those gay cults who caller women breeders.
You should be stripped of your balls since you don't act like one.
>>16908902
>>16908556
>But none of that should be necessary to begin with, why do women think that its up to them whether to keep the kid or not and if they chose to keep it that the guy HAS to help?
(cont.) which is exactly why I will NEVER, EVER shut the fuck up about the male right to a financial/parental rights abortion.
If the father signs away his fatherly rights before a certain stage in the pregnancy - I would probably use the same time periods as regular abortions - then he shouldn't be obligated to pay child support.
If women can abort, so too should men be able to unless you believe in an unjust, immoral society where women have more rights than men and courts are encouraged to force men into economic slavery. Which I don't believe in.
Honestly? I would do this if a bitch tried to trap me.
>RU486
>>16908704
I'm not the guy you're responding to, but you're the one who isn't "getting it." You DID make it all about rape in your post.
>This law protects women, if men would be absolved of responsibility from raping and impregnating women the amount of sexual assaults on women would increase drastically.
FIRST TOPIC SENTENCE BABY BOI.
Stop being dumb.
>>16908726
B-b-b-b-b-but that would require women to believe in equal rights (they don't) and take personal responsibility for their actions (they don't want to)!
Again, this is a prime example of how women are selfish idiots who can't logic.
OP is either a diehard fuccboi or a troll.
Replying is fruitless. Just move along, people.
>>16908957
What the hell is even a fuccboi anyways?
It gets thrown around so much
>>16908750
>how difficult having an abortion actually is.
O'RLY? Ya mean like taking a pill in the privacy of your own home and not even needing to go to the fucking doctor afterward?
SO FUCKING HARD WAAAAAA
>For most women, medication abortion is like an early miscarriage. It is normal for you to have bleeding and cramping. You might also
>feel dizzy
>feel strong cramps
>feel nauseous or vomit
>have diarrhea
>feel temporary abdominal pain
>have temporary mild fever or chills
>Acetaminophen (like Tylenol) or ibuprofen (like Advil) can reduce most of these symptoms. Do not take aspirin.
Oh my GAWD, like, SO HARD.
>you fool
Don't be calling anyone else a fool when you're acting like taking the early abortion pill is CATASTROPHIC when it sounds a lot like fucking upset stomach and food poisoning. OH NO!
/facepalm. You people. Youuuuu fucking people and your pussy boi ways are why men are starting to get shit on. Please pull your heads out of your asses.
