I have depression and I refuse to take anti-depressants because I feel like I want to deal with it on my own rather than relying on pills. Is this a bad idea? I'm scared of addiction and part of me feels like I can just fix it on my own.
>>17346456
"I have a bad infection but I refuse to take antibiotics because I want to fight it on my own."
Depression - real depression, not just feeling lousy - is a physical ailment based on chemical imbalances, and as real as an infection. It is NOT a matter of will or lack of guts, and therefore can't be battled by will and determination alone.
Just as you would take medicine for other physical ailments, take your medicine here.
>>17346456
>part of me feels like I can just fix it on my own
Then do it already.
If you can't then maybe it's best to take the help and fight it already than to spend many more miserable years struggling and letting your life go to waste
did u try vitamines yet?
>>17346456
SSRI's are a scam anyway, try these more effective and less harsh solutions and get back to us.
tianeptine
aniracetam
noopept
magnesium glycinate
ashwaganda
agamtine
>>17346456
I've tried doing this for a while. It's had it's ups and downs, but it's been especially bad lately.
I'm trying to scrape some money together so I can afford to see a psychiatrist.
>>17346456
Straight up fuck off with that shit
Take care of yourself so you don't let other people down
This isn't even an option. You walk out the door medicated each morning, end of story.
Source: depression
fuck that guy >>17346920
listen to him>>17346481
If SSIRs don't work, there are other things out there. But for many people these things do a good job. Deman Venlafaxin or something. Don't settle for Bupropion.
Take anti-depressants they are cash. Just say yes to everything the doc asks. They are the best thing ever
take acid. 150 ug. report back.
Either you'll see that you are not actually depressed, just held back, or you'll realize yeah fuck I need help real fucking quick.
Same here.
I rather try to fight it with my mind than numb it with drugs like prozac.
>>17346456
I'm not going to tell you what to do in terms of medicine you should or shouldn't take but I will say if you can somehow bring yourself to start lifting weights, it'll help more than you can imagine. It helps me.
https://www.google.ie/#q=weight%20lifting%20and%20depression
>>>/fit/17018018
http://liamrosen.com/fitness.html#part4
The thing about anti-depressants is that they don't actually cure depression. They reduce some of the physical symptoms of depression, making you feel more like yourself, which then lets you deal with the actual depression through therapy.
Think of them as a trampoline.
>>17346456
>Is this a bad idea?
Yes and no
>I'm scared of addiction
There is no addiction. There is side effects though and they suck massive horse dicks.
I'm doing the same thing you want to do OP. The nights are still cold and I want to kill myself every fucking day BUT I now know why I want to and thus Its easier to fight the thoughts/urges. 5 months into taking the pills I lost weight and became extremely aggressive and physically towards my friends. Like I were trying to dominate them or something. I noticed it after I quit the pills some months later. I also had some amazing focus too. Nothing got boring.
I think its impossible to fix on your own. You'll get some stimulation here and there but once you're back alone in your bed you'll be screaming internally until you pass out. The pill removed all the pain and eventually evens you out. I enjoyed feeling dull for a while I kinda grew fond of it but once my grandma were resuscitated I felt nothing and I knew that wasn't right. It reminded me of the day I found out my only father figure died. I think that were the cause of my problems honestly. I smiled blankly over his corpse and couldn't bring myself to cry. The pain just wasn't there. So I quit the pills and set out to fix it myself.
I suggest exercise. All the other anons are right. Exercise is key. It gets your body and mind working like new. My roomate bought a bench and using it has helped my mood a ton.
>>17346481
Except antibiotics aren't about as likely to drive you off the deep end as they are to help you.
>>17347613
Yes, but anyone who has watched one of their limbs rot and fall off from gangrene has never gone
"Phew, well thank god I didn't take any antibiotics and risk going through side effects."
Depression is a disease. Through the miracle of modern science we have discovered drugs that aid in the treatment of this disease. They aren't a cure but in combination with therapy medications have statistically proven to successfully treat depression. This is a fact.
There has been and always will be those people whether it be with cancer or depression who will think that sheer willpower and a can-do attitude are the only thing they need to overcome their illness.
While they're entitled to that opinion I am personally of the opinion that I live in 2016, where medication and treatments are readily available. I'm not going to die with a bloodstream full of hippie home remedies and good intentions just because I was too fucking stubborn to trust medical professionals with my care.
>>17346456
Sometimes depression is caused when your neurotransmitters fail to uptake the any of the chemical sognals at the synapses. Most anti depressants are just aimed at correcting that.
>>17347653
Some cant be reasoned with.
They need to actually feel the shit for themselves. I wouldnt want them too but they must to fully understand
Quit trying. The discussions about this on r9k go on for days and its always fighting until the last post.
>>17347658
>>17347539
>>17347653
You guys are fucking sense, serotonin theory is NOT legit, and Prozac is little better than placebo. The only reason why Prozac is still prescribes its because the placebo effect can work well in depression.
Also SSRIs increase the risk of suicide and homicide, pot is literally better than Prozac if you can get it on a regular.
>>17347788
>serotonin theory is incorrect, I've verified the results myself.
I'll give you that my degree isn't in psychiatry and have very little experience formally studying neuroscience. Fine, this could apply to me as well. However, you haven't posted any peer reviewed studies, journals, etc. That would prove what you just wrote.
Anyone who knows anything about depression knows that anti depressants are a part of a larger "cure".
It's the same as taking blood pressure medicine because you're morbidly obese. It helps relieves symptoms, but not the cause. That's on you.
But it does get easier with less shit weighing you down.
>>17347788
Thank you for your extremely scientific input sir, we really appreciate your contribution to this thread and we would like to hear more about how the jews own the pharmaceutical industry and how the cure for cancer is held back to gain more funds, as well as the strong powers of weed and LSD when it comes to curing everything in life.
>>17346456
OP, antidepressants worked for me, I had fluoxetine for about half a year (Prozac) and they got me functioning again from crippling depression, and finally was able to quit it when I got a girlfriend, and even after breaking up with her I haven't had any need for antidepressants anymore. They help in getting you back on track, and the addiction is not that bad and pretty easy to step down from.
>>17347653
>>17347840
basically this..
>>17347788
Can you provide any studies? I'll look in EBSCOHOST real quick. All I need is the name of the study(ies).
>>17347855
Dude this is EVERYWHERE bro, I want you right now to go into whatever fucking search engine you use and type in "ssri placebo" or "antidepressant placebo" or "Prozac placebo"
These drugs also absolutely DO increase your risk of suicidal/violent behavior. They also increase the chance that your dick will get weak and not work as well anymore. You can look al this shit up in the search engine of choice.
Shitting on people trying to give advice outside of "take these dick-limpening scam pills" makes you look a sheep.
Anyone have any recommended supplements to help with depression or anxiety? My friend recommended phenibut, but I haven't done much research
>>17347893
+good clean food , plenty of veg
maybe a muti
meditation is better tan drugs
>>17346456
CBT m8, I've never met anyone who's depression was actually helped by antidepressants.
>>17346481
This is depression, not Schizophrenia. If OP is willing enough to seek help then he will be fine.
>>17347872
Shut the fuck up and stop giving advice based on search engine results.
>sheep
You're telling people to look in a search engine for answers, yet calling them a sheep. How fucking dumb and hypocritical are you?
Provide a study or GTFO.
>>17347788
>You guys are fucking sense, serotonin theory is NOT legit, and Prozac is little better than placebo.
Cool. Unless you want to cite the sources for that information or tell us where you got your medical degree I'm going to assume that everything you said is pulled directly out of your ass.
>>17346456
Rely on pills, that's fine, pills are reliable.
As long as you don't rely on people, people should never be relied upon.
>>17347788
>don't take big pharma pills
>just smoke weed instead
Yeah that's a fucking brilliant idea
>>17347943
>>17347923
Here's a few studies (and heavily-cited articles) about serotonin theory.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4172306/
people are subjected to tryptophan deficiency and did not experience real mood changes:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7944875
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9477931
ssris:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14974002
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2582668/
dick-weakening:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1564046
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3108697/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9292833
OP here. Christ you guys are really split on what I should take...
>>17347923
>>17347943
Also you guys are fucking coping big-time, this information is just sitting around. You assholes could look up much more in a few hours.
Consider this: I'm no hairloss expert, but I would discourage ANYBODY from taking finasteride because of how it can harm the sex drive and the mind.
I have never studied finasteride, but from the things I've read along with accounts of dudes who use it having to use Viagra just to get up I would tell anybody looking to go on finasteride to not do it.
>>17346456
you don't get addicted to antidepressants.
>>17348034
I can attest to the dick limping
>>17346456
>addiction
not really an issue unless it's an amphetamine or similar
>i can fix it on my own
cognitive behavioral therapy is similarly effective as anti depressants, it's better if used together
specifically speaking, ssri's are really effective when you have a really bad depression, they also numb your feelings a bit so you can focus on your daily life struggles without your emotions affecting them. they help you fight depression, you have to do something yourself too.
>>17346456
I have anxiety disorder (panic attacks) since last year. I have a bachelor in psychology and I thought I would go through it on my own. How foolish of me. It just went downhill. 6 months later I finally hit rock bottom and décidés to go to therapy and medication (zoloft). I wish I did it sooner. I'm going great now. I'm not fully "recovered", but I'm better step by step. Anti-depressants helped me a lot. Yes there is side effects, but they Will go away eventually. And if they don't, you can try to change your medication.
Long story short, I have a good experience with anti-depressants and I would recommend to take some if your doctor/psychiatrist prescribe them for your situation
>>17346481
What he said. I'm currently on pristiq, feeling much better. My life was/is good, I had nothing to be sad about, but was all the time, didn't enjoy hobbies etc. It's not addictive, but fucks you up if you miss 2 days or so because you forgot to buy more.
>>17346456
If you want to try and get off your meds you had better be meditating and exercising EVERY day.
