>>17302858
See a chiropractor, they may either treat/ manage your problem to the best of their abilities, or refer you appropriately to doctors/ surgeons if it's beyond the capabilities of being treated through adjustments. You're better off getting referred to specific surgeons from chiropractors (as opposed to googling or getting a referral from any other type of doctors, say a general practitioner), as chiros specialise in back pain (jack of all trades is a master of none; sweet way of explaining why GP may favour is other conditions but not back pain, as chiros specialises in them). Thus chiros would be connected to more successful/ arguably talented surgeons that would have a higher rate of success in treating back pains which can't be treated through chiropractic adjustments; through prior experiments and cases with patients.

Best of luck :)

>>17303066
Experience* sorry

It's a win win is all I'm saying, you either get adjusted and your problem eventually goes away or you get referred to a great surgeon. Overall after surgery chiros can also manage your treatment give you mobilisations etc. post surgical treatment to make the pain go away if it still persists after surgery :)

>>17303066
I've heard chiropractors are something to avoid from the back surgeons. I realize they are essentially in competition but..

>>17303124
True, but what I can tell you is its best you test it out. BUT. Im from Australia and we generally have vanilla type chiropractors doing standard, you know normal looking adjustments. Depending if you are from America or so, I've seen bad shit crazy footage of chiropractors doing extreme stuff like wrapping a towel around your head and pulling back or doing borderline WWE wrestling type looking moves. Effective, maybe. But don't risk it. If you are in America or so try out a vanilla chiropractor.

Also I've been meaning to say see a chiropractor would likely get you arguably the best referral to specific surgeons who specialises in back pain; and they wouldn't be against chiros if the chiros helping them with business etc.

And also it's an optimal treatment as the 2 party of chiros + surgeon would work together and co-manage your treatment post operation for optimal healing. And they would work fluid together.

As opposed to some people where they pick one surgeon and one physiotherapist, and they kinda don't work similarly with the post op management as they're not connected.
Try to find a Chiro to determine if a referral is appropriate, then if it is then you would get a Chiro and surgeon working together to help you recover as they'll most likely be connected

Hope it helps :)

>>17303230
Thanks, I'll check it out more. Yes, I'm in America and have heard horror stories.

Did you have back pain? did it get better?

>>17303262
Yes I do get back pain, but I wouldn't compare myself to you, you sound a lot more severe. My chiropractor did help me or great.

Haha oh my yeah avoid those 'horror stories' type chiropractors. Vanilla please.

Keep in mind that with your back pain, according to medicine, their 'treatment' for that typically involves numbing your sensations of pain. Plus pills do typically come with adverse effects, like nausea etc, you may be able to live with it but it's best to live without em.

If you see a chiropractor it's very recommended you listen to them with regards to your lifestyle factors.

I don't mean to be quick to judge, I'm only assuming, apologies if I offend you. But with your low back pain I'm assuming you sit a lot or do something stationary. You've got to essentially modify your behaviour to prevent the problem from occurring. Like exercise whenever you can, buy an exercise bike and place it in front of the TV etc. if you don't want to sign up for gym. And if your work place is stationary try to walk around here and there and do stretches every hour, which has said to be even more effective than working 8 hours+ then going to gym, with small exercises per hour. Apologise in advance if my assumption is wrong.
Basically a Chiropractor is like somewhat of a repairer for your body like an item. You displaced your bones slightly from a whiplash of a car accident, they try to adjust it back into place. You have low back pain from stationary behaviour for example, they try to give you soft tissue massages and adjustments to relieve tense muscles and impinged nerves. Like a repairman it's only effective if you prevent the problem from persisting. Kinda like getting your phone repaired from water damage only to drop it in the sink again. It's pointless.

However if your back pain is caused from something other than your behaviour or trauma etc. then it may be a red flag for surgery which I Chiro will determine for you.

Also do you typically bend over a lot? Especially when you pick up objects. Try to reduce doing that if you do. But rather Bens your knees and keep your back straight

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>>17303291
>I don't mean to be quick to judge, I'm only assuming, apologies if I offend you.
Nope, appreciate your responses!

> But with your low back pain I'm assuming you sit a lot or do something stationary. You've got to essentially modify your behaviour to prevent the problem from occurring. Like exercise whenever you can, buy an exercise bike and place it in front of the TV etc. if you don't want to sign up for gym. And if your work place is stationary try to walk around here and there and do stretches every hour, which has said to be even more effective than working 8 hours+ then going to gym, with small exercises per hour. Apologise in advance if my assumption is wrong.
Yeah, my physical therapist has a program for me and I get up and walk pretty often. I do sit at a desk a lot though, but I'm fairly active, like 8-10,000 steps per day - so not great but not completely awful. If I walk too much I make it worse. It's a balancing act. I swim a bit on the weekends to try to help it, that's pretty good because no impact, but it's also a pain to get in the pool.

I'd rate myself a 7/10 for having good practices. I could still be better, but sometimes when I push it and try new things I make it worse.

I'm also taking Tumeric and Naproxine, the former is a natural anti-inflammatory and the latter is basically prescription Aleve.

>>17303296
Not really. I'm very careful about bending and doing it correctly, even with light objects. I squat to grab things and push with my heels like a doctor taught me.

>>17302858
Chiropractors can't fix that but they can relieve the pain for weeks at a time.

>>17303310
Sorry to say man but it's best you see a chiropractor to properly diagnose you. I don't mean to stress you out too much, but I'm a chiropractic student and based on what you told me definite red flag for surgery. But hey I was taught theory doesn't always meet with practice.

So sorry man I tried helping you out the best I could.... Lol it's 3:52am here so excuse the shitty advice. Best of luck.

Excuse my ignorance, but why do you see a physiotherapist? Aren't chiros>physiotherapist in America because chiros help deliver rehab just like them with the addition of providing adjustments something a physiotherapist cannot do?

Lol in Australia physiotherapist> chiros recently because med has been bashing us on the media and our adjustments apparently only get in the way.
As meds say that physical rehab + meds are best to recovery and adjustments only get in the way.

>>17302858
How did you hurt your back, OP?

>>17303336
Yeah that's why I said co-management post operation with the surgeon

>>17303336
My father had back pain from working in the waterfront for decades he goes. A chiropractor once every few months and is able to go golfing and enjoy movement.

>>17302858
Have you considered getting a microdiscectomy? A friend of mine had a herniated disc in his lumbar, and after he had the surgery, his back felt much better. It's a minimally invasive spinal surgery done from a posterior surgical point. I recommend finding a surgeon that specializes in the aforementioned practice, and get an MRI to make sure that this is the necessary procedure.

advice for anyone in this thread that's not OP: never work in heavy manual labor.

>being in pain for 2 years
get the surgery you goof
it's not like it can get worse

>>17303406
Yes it can. 40% get worse from the one that /might/ fix me. Odds aren't amazing.

>>17303384
I'd be a candidate for a fusion if I had any. They don't think the microdiscectomy would be enough. Also my pain is very localized, so they are not sure its pain from the nerve root hitting, but rather something in that area mechanically wrong.

>>17302858
I had a bulging disc at L4-L5 L5-S1
Had plenty of treatments for it the past few years including epidurals, facet inj, SI joint injections for the bersitis, Chiropractor, Physical Therapist appts and even surgery.
I don't recommend getting the surgery- they cut into the muscles in your back and they never heal the same way. My sciatica is still there after my micro decompression surgery, as is the backpain.
After 3yrs of this I'm at a loss for what to do myself, wish I could give some better advice but the only thig that helped was dropping weight, strengthening my core, swimming, Physical Therapy and going on a bunch of walks.
I'm so sorry, I feel like killing myself over it a lot of the time too- 24 and I've lost 3yrs of my 20s so far... and the docs are telling me this may just be "my new norm" and to accept it.
I'll talk to you about it if you want, I know exactly how you feel- the pain is horrible and you're treated like a criminal for NEEDING medicine to only barely ease the pain.

>>17303534
Oh and just to add- chiropractors made it worse for me, the surgery definitely made it worse, I didn't have any overhang from the disc after surgery and just found out that it's bulging again (only 4mm but enough to cause horrible pains still...)
Try to avoid a fusion for as long as possible- once you have hardware things can get much, MUCH worse in many patients especially if you're young.
They believe I have nerve damage, and after this long it's most likely permanent. Don't believe them if they try to tell you that you have fibromyalgia- they tell everyone who has experienced chronic pain for years that it's "unexplained" or "just exaggerated in your head". 1/4 patients going to the doctors in USA are going due to back pain- you're not alone and there are support groups for chronic pain, I've even thought of joining.
Best option is to have a current, up to date MRI and go to speak with a surgeon for a consult- do your research beforehand and be sure that most reviews are regarding whichever surgery is recommended.
Mine was a brain and elective spine surgeon who was extremely high rated, I'm just part of the percentage of patients that didn't respond to minimal surgery. They're telling me to wait as long as possible for my next surgery, because once you start it's like a train of events leading to many discs being fused with loads of hardware over the years.

>>17303534
Thanks for the response man. I'm sorry to hear you're just as frustrated. Maybe it will get better for us? Yeah, I feel like my life is just wasting away with all the things I can't do because of my back.

The last surgeon I saw said this might just be a new "norm" for me also. He did say as I get older it might feel better, as the discs further degenerate (I guess when they are freshly injured they cause more pain than as they get completely destroyed).

I'm going to try to avoid the surgery, as I keep hearing stories like yours.

>the only thig that helped was dropping weight, strengthening my core, swimming, Physical Therapy and going on a bunch of walks.
I went from 216-lbs down to 155-lbs last year, I did physical therapy for a long time and now still doing the exercises. I too get in the pool even though its a pain. Walks seem to help me to an extent but if I go too long then my hamstrings and muscles tighten up and then I'm fucked (seems to pull on my back and make more pain).

>>17303629
I'd like to think our best bet is more research in stem cell therapies or new discs made from stem cells in the future. As of now I've looked into many procedures, including injections of plant or human stem cells injected into the area or centrifuged blood to be injected- both are no recommended for anything other than joints, but praying it may be helpful if I pour money into it....
Don't get too discouraged, even Tiger Woods wasn't able to golf in his own tournament this year and he has the same problem we do, over a year post op.
That's fantastic that you dropped so much weight!!! If anything it should show your doctors how seriously you have taken your recovery from this injury and how willing you are to do anything to make the pain go away. I know the exercising is painful, I feel like I can't twist and am "creaky" after swimming or going for a walk, but 2 days later I usually feel pretty flexible and mobile.
Do your stretches and keep yourself moving, just feel secure in knowing that you're doing/have done everything in your power to heal yourself and hopefully that makes you feel more in control regarding your disposition.
I am so sorry, I cannot say it enough because the past few years have felt like a prison sentence in my room while my friends go off and party and act like I'm on "vacation" and am relaxing at home. Couldn't be further from the truth when I barely sleep due to the pain... can't relax because lying down, standing or sitting all cause pain. Just to say it again I know what you're going through, never let anyone make you feel bad about your disability- whether it's a doctor, friend or family. Your pain is real and valid, take care of yourself and do your best to be happy, even if it seems impossible at times. Go out whenever you feel up to it and enjoy life, even if it's different than the average human (who likely doesn't appreciate it) you can still have happy days, as infrequent or short-lived as they may be.

>>17303750
Thanks man, you too. It's nice to know I'm not alone. I wish you the best. Maybe we'll find the cure some day.

>>17302858
If you're looking for something to dull the pain while you look for a more permanent solution, I highly recommend cannabutter.

It sounds like a joke, and I recognize that weed's powers are overhyped, but cannabutter is the thing that keeps me off opioids for the most part (lifelong chronic pain from a genetic condition). 1g MJ to one tablespoon of butter, sautee the ground buds until brown, separate out the vegetable material from the liquid butter, freeze overnight.

It takes about an hour to kick in, and there's a trial period with every batch to see how it affects you, but it's ~twice a day relief without the physical addiction guarantee of regular opioids.