I'm going to fucking die help I don't know what to do
Last night I had sex with my girlfriend. Everything smooth but at same points she complains stop it hurts. I don't want to be beta so I make my voice all husky and reassuring and tell her to just bear with it it'll go away. A few seconds later, she complains again and hits me yelling at me stop. I really don't want to stop and I think she's just playing kinky so I go harder and ignore her. She screams and yells at me and hts me over and over but at some point she just gives up. I cum in her and everything's good and quiet again, she doesn't move but I'm fucking tired I juat doze off.
This morning she screamef at me I'm a rapist, like yells in rage and breaks my stuff throws shit at me she fucking threw a glass at my head. Then she stormed off to fucking tell everyone what happened. I've been receiving death threats from friends telling me I'm a disgusting rapist and I should die. She went to my mother and my mother's just confronted me about it she asked me "Did you stop?" and I said no because I feel lying will just make shit worse and my mother started screaming at me too, she's still yelling she doesn't want a rapist for a son, I'm disgusting, she hopes I rot in jail and she's kicking me out she knows I can't afford to live on my own with my wage but she doesn't care she's told me she hopes I die help
You didn't stop when she repeatedly asked you to stop. That makes you a rapist. Time to deal with the consequences.
Fuck you OP. You deserve all that shit and more.
>>17234051
What do you want us to say? By all accounts, you raped her. It's jail time, buddy.
>just playing kinky
>hitting you
Sure OP. She was totally into it.
>Go harder and ignore
That was the finak nail in your coffin kek
>>17234051
Can you update us on what's happening next?
>>17234051
I sincerely hope this is fake because this is honestly disgusting
kek if this isn't b8 you are one stupid motherfucker.
rape or not, I don't believe you should be allowed freedom based off of stupidity alone. have fun in jail.
>>17234076
Aren't some women into that pretend resiatance though??? I thought she was doing that and I should have just acted alfa and assert my dominance... not give in into her shit
>>17234051
You should've stopped when she was clearly upset. Has she ever done this before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDj05DZtdpk
>>17234092
This, you're a fucking mongoloid. Your ass is going to get fucked in prison, hahahahaha.
>>17234093
humans are no animals who need to assure dominance whatsoever
lol
WHY DIDNT YOU STOP. YOU HAVE TO STOP EVERYTIME SOMEONE TELLS YOU TO
>said no
That can be played off.
>She started yelling and hitting for you to stop.
This is the point when you should have immediately stopped and asked her if she was okay.
You raped her, you are a rapist, I get it was the heat of the moment, but for all intents and purposes you're donezo friend.
>>17234091
Its bait, don't worry.
>>17234093
In what fucking foreplay is hitting and yelling at you to stop a fetish
>not give into her shit
So you're basically just autistic and raped her because you didn't want to stop.
Have fun in prison.
>>17234093
You can't mix porn fantasies with reality dude. If she says stop, you immediately stop. You rape her and that's final. No excuse will save you from this one.
> I don't want to be beta so
stopped reading there
>>17234143
lmao this whole post is so entertaining, like ok
OP lemme tell you something, its the same like if I start chasing you with a knife and you tell me to stop, but I keep going on thinking you secretly may be into that and finally you get seriously hurt by me, and how would you feel if I say "awww noo, I think he was really into that because he even screamed and hit me" LOL this whole thing is just out of my league.
OP, when ur out of jail you gonna be hopefully never do something like this again.
>>17234051
>she complains stop it hurts
>I make my voice all husky
>hits me yelling at me stop
>I go harder and ignore her
>She screams and yells at me and hts me over and over
>I cum in her
OP confirmed for alpha as fuck.
>>17234171
You forgot
>after cumming, I roll over and slept like a baby while she stayed obedient and quiet, like a good girl
>>17234051
Moral of the story, always have a safe word. So that if someone goes too far or something is going wrong you will immediately know to stop.
>>17234063
This. I wish you hadn't had to learn the difference between a beta and a rapist the hard way, but it seems that you will.
>>17234051
>Screams at me to stop
>I dun wanna
Kek, fucking choice judgement call OP, 10/10
>She screams and yells at me and hts me over and over but at some point she just gives up.
>but at some point she just gives up
>she just gives up
I'm a lawyer. It would be difficult, but not impossible, to use this in a trial to prove consent. You'll still be shunned by everyone you know of course, but you'd have a chance to remain a free man.
Lol such b8. And I'm pretty sure your bait failed. Like I think you wanted to incite some kind of rape discussion here. Like you wanted some people to call you a gross rapist, and then have other people say you shouldn't have your whole life ruined or whatever bs.
Have to say I'm feeling pretty proud of /adv/ right now for saying normal stuff.
>>17234182
You're aware she was likely in pain shock and trauma right?
>>17234218
If the bitch didn't want it why did she just give up and sleep with him?
>>17234219
You're aware I'm just using OP's point of view right? Pretty sure he didn't notice she was in shock by what happened that night.
>>17234226
Maybe you'd like to get raped?
well, why did it hurt?
>>17234051
>so many feminists and cuckboys itt
GET
THE
FUCK
OUT
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
You did make a couple of mistakes though OP. Whilst you were fucking her you should have been telling her that she likes it (as it seems she forgot in all the excitement). Also you really needed to follow that up with reminding her that she should be grateful for the attention once you were done. Also, you should have told your mom to keep her nose out of it unless she wanted you to do the same to her.
Couldn't she bite him or something? You people like screaming rape at everything, yet when a person is getting attacked by another sexually, they suddenly forget they can bite the shit outta them. Can't use hands or legs? Then fucking use your teeth or headbutt or something.
>>17234242
GODFUCKING DAMMIT FORGOT PIC
>>17234237
No. But her actions indicate consent like lawyer anon says.
>>17234093
Unless she told you beforehand that she wanted you to do this shit, fine. But I'm pretty sure you never brought this shit up and kinda just assumed it because you didn't feel like stopping.
God damnit if this isn't bait, you sure are one thick ass motherfucker.
it's okay, mate. Standard California sentence for rape is just six months.
>>17234051
Nice one Ahmed, another goat you rape?
>>17234242
>>/r9k/
>>17234243
Why do people always move the goalposts when it comes to sexual assaults? This is why verbal signals are those that really matter. When someone tells you no/stop, you IMMEDIATELY stop.
>>17234255
Yeah, I get that too. But if she had a defense, she could also say succumbed to OP's advances in fear of retaliation. He definitely can get scott-free, but OP will still be hated in his community, he's also a poorfag, so immediate future looks like shit.
>>17234051
dammit OP, you should not have done that.
you might have hurt her inside due to friction pain of the incident and that doesnt heal fast.
indeed you are from our point viewed as a rapist that cant control himself, any lawyers would tell you that you if prosecuted would be facing jail time as well as being labelled by others around you as a bad person or if case dismissed you would still be shunned in your friendgroup
face it, you might have screwed up your own position in your society, any job you got will be questioned and in worst case you will be laid off from work.
>>17234290
Her actions don't indicate consent dipshit. She gave up under the duress of a combination of fear, shock, pain, trauma and fatigue. You cannot give consent for sex in that condition. What kind of shit judge denies this?
>>17234307
Fuck you anon, also not every judge cares. I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it can happen fuck 'tard. Of course OP commited rape, but legalanon said there's a chance to walk free.
>>17234216
How does it work? It's clear she was overwhelmed. If someone robs me and I can't stop and I give up because I'm overwhelmed am I not being robbed anymore? Is my robber just entitled to my stuff unless I keep fighting until they kill me or harm me seriously? It's not rape if she doesn't risk her life and safety for it?
>>17234307
All it takes is one doubtful member of the jury for a defendant to walk free. Just one.
>>17234336
So we just need one robot or one poltard in every jury to finally end feminism and make america great again?
>>17234336
This is why the american legal system is utter shit
>>17234333
That's a poor analogy. It's absurd to say a person consents to being robbed. But there's nothing far-fetched about consensual sex between boyfriend and girlfriend. Like I said, it would be a difficult argument to make, but not an impossible one. A decent defense lawyer would at least be able to instill a little doubt in the minds of the jury.
Don't worry OP, it's just 6 months of jail at most.
>>17234353
Why it's impossible to say one wants to be robbed but it's possible to say obe wants to be raped? That's what you're saying. If she says she was raped, she was raped, there was no sex between boyfriend and girlfriend. The jury cannot decide for other people if they wanted it or not only the girl herself can decide this.
Is this why vigilantes are so popular with americans? Because the legal system doesn't provide justice? If someone decided to have justice and shot OP dead and the community defended them would a jury risk a riot?
>>17234353
>it's absurd to say one wants to be robbed
>it's logical to say one wants to be raped
americans not even once
>>17234376
>Why it's impossible to say one wants to be robbed but it's possible to say obe wants to be raped? That's what you're saying. If she says she was raped, she was raped
Wrong. No lawyer would argue that she wanted to be raped. They would argue that she wanted sex. If she says she was raped, it does NOT automatically mean she was raped. For you to even suggest that implies you're just trolling, playing a spoof feminist.
>>17234388
>getting robbed
You lose a lot of stuff you've worked really hard to achieve.
>getting raped
Someone thinks you're so attractive they would risk jail time just to plant their seed inside of you
Gee, I wonder which I would prefer?
>>17234402
B A I T
A
I
T
>>17234051
You should be castrated with a rusty butter knife
>>17234388
It's logical to say one can have consensual sex, feel regret later, and cry "rape" after. That would be the focus of the defense in a criminal trial. Again, this would be a very difficult argument to make given the full story... but not impossible.
>>17234400
How could one argue that she wanted sex when she denies this, repeatedly demanded to stop and was ignored, and only gave up under duress which is recognized as an invalid condition none can give consent under?
>>17234093
You know what they say about assumptions, they make an ASS out of U and ME.
>>17234376
>The jury cannot decide for other people if they wanted it or not only the girl herself can decide this.
That's EXACTLY what a jury can and must decide. The alternative is accusal = instant guilt.
lmao fuck it op, if you can't find another way just tell the police and go to jail, at least you won't be starving there (depending on what country you live in i guess)
>>17234417
Later means well after the sex is done and over.
She demanded he stop DURING the sex while it happened as it was happening and was ignored, she was subjected to pain, shock, trauma and fear as OP clearly show he didn't care for what was happening to her, as well as fatigue from trying to fight him off. You're seriously trying to say there was consent? There is no consent under duress.
>>17234420
She denying it is irrelevant. If I'm on the defense team for the accused, it's my job to completely rip into her, and do everything I can to paint her as a liar. I have to do anything I can to convince the jury that my client is the one telling the truth, not her. The prosecution of course, would be doing the opposite.
>>17234417
as stated, the plead happened during the act and was ignore, so by default it was forced and the victim was denied their human rights. denying ones freedom of choice is the worst thing ever to do in modern society
>>17234426
The jury cannot decide one under duress wanted it. That is illegal. They are going against the law that states you cannot give consent and any "consent" obtained is not valid under some circumstances such as intoxication, lack of consciousness, minor age, and duress, as it's obtained through illegal means.
>>17234333
Legal defence =/= moral defence
Look up 'the skinny jeans defence' if you need your daily dose of depression. And that's not even a particularly bad case.
>>17234420
>>17234445
>>17234456
>>17234461
Not lawyer anon, but it's because you argue that that's not what happened, and instead consensual sex happened and she's now lying.
This is why rape cases, especially within an actual relationship, are so damn hard to deal with in court. It basically becomes a "he said" "she said" story with no actual evidence.
>>17234445
>You're seriously trying to say there was consent?
I've said nothing of the sort. I've only described how a defense team might work this scenario.
For the record, if I was a member of that jury, I'd be voting to convict. But conviction requires a unanimous vote (at least it does where I'm from).
Let's face it: there are a lot of easily manipulated people out there. The defense only needs one of those on the jury to win.
>>17234353
>But there's nothing far-fetched about consensual sex between boyfriend and girlfriend.
Tell that to my wife! AMIRITE FELLAS?
>>17234451
How can you paint as a liar someone who pleaded to stop, was ignored, tried to fight it off, was ignored, and was not in a right state of mind from pain and horror and panic when they gave up? Fear for yourself and your life is grounds to accuse someone of coercion.
>>17234470
And look up Cassandra Kennedy if you want the reversed
>>17234475
Wow that's disgusting. I'm glad I don't live in america.
>>17234479
>someone who pleaded to stop, was ignored, tried to fight it off, was ignored, and was not in a right state of mind from pain and horror and panic when they gave up?
How can you prove any of that happened?
>>17234243
This. I've killed like 10 people and not one of them even TRIED to bite me. Well, except that one, but after a little back and fourth she caved in. So to speak.
So what court's gonna convict me of that? If they REALLY wanted to get away, they'd have done it. It's not my fault I have a knack for picking suicidals. Really, they're the ones at fault for being so enticing.
>>17234479
You're assuming that the alleged victim's story is documented as fact and unassailable truth. That is incorrect. Every detail of her story is open to attack by the defense. There is no rule or law that says "you can't question her version of the story".
>>17234489
OP's own statement, internal bleeding/injured/damaged vagina and possibly other body parts too on the girl.
>>17234262
Three with good behaviour, I hear! Beats getting stuck in a relationship by going the consensual rout, seems like a fair price to pay for 20 minutes of action. Up top!
>>17234487
That's just how it goes when a judicial system is built around "innocent unless proven guilty". It's not "guilty unless proven innocent".
>>17234495
If she has injuries from the assault those can be used as proof.
http://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/gynecology-and-obstetrics/domestic-violence-and-rape/medical-examination-of-the-rape-victim
Or are you going to say people normally want to be injured too?
>>17234307
>What kind of shit judge denies this?
Probably the same kind of judge that says an 11 year old 'welcomed sex' because she wore makeup.
(Yes, that is a thing that happened).
>>17234509
That would be pretty damning evidence, and ought to be more than enough to secure a conviction (assuming the prosecution isn't totally incompetent).
>Or are you going to say people normally want to be injured too?
The snide hostility really isn't necessary, is it? Are you incapable of discussing what-if scenarios and playing devil's advocate without getting emotional? I already stated that I would vote to convict.
>>17234420
Unless you were in the room and witnessed that happening, the statement doesn't mean much. Obviously if the rapist himself says this is an accurate account, then it's pretty open and shut. But he could just as easily lie. Which is what rape victims are often accused of doing as a defence for the accused.
>>17234503
But OP is guilty. He hurt her. She can use any injury he did on her against him because any doc can prove she could not do it herself and it's not logical nor reasonable to say one wants to be injured during common consensual sex between boyfriend and girlfriend.
>>17234487
How does it work where you live?
>>17234524
Yeah the snide hostility is pretty fuckibg necessary because devil's advocates are those who would say a girl beaten to near death was still asking for it because of her dress. You're disgusting.
lawyer up
>>17234498
>OP's own statement,
He can retract it
>internal bleeding/injured/damaged vagina and possibly other body parts too on the girl.
"She's kinky".
Damn OP you gonna to prison
then you're gonna get assraped there and you're gonna scream stop and hit them
but they won't stop
they'll go harder instead
>>17234526
That's scary. I am never going to trust anyone to have sex with me because if I get raped in the middle of it the people who should grant me justice could not protect me.
>>17234509
>Or are you going to say people normally want to be injured too?
Some do, if they're into BDSM. This is where the victim's sexual and mental history and character is dragged through the mud to find any dirt possible to paint her as a deranged deviant succubus preying on an innocent middle+ class white man.
>>17234536
It's not anon who's disgusting, it's the system. We're just regurgitating reality, we're not necessarily condoning it.
I'm certainly not, speaking for myself. It's good that you're disgusted, you should be.
>>17234542
Do you have any irrefutable proof that "she's kinky" to the point of wanting injuries of that degree on her?
Can I accuse someone of slander if they say such disgusting false shit about me?
>>17234051
Don't lie, OP, you're only convincing yourself. You knew she wasn't "just playing kinky". What you did was full on rape and you know it. You fucked up, now it's time to deal with the consequences. You won't get sympathy from anyone with any sense of morals here.
>>17234051
Yeah, you raped her.
You can probably get away with it if you find a good lawyer. Make some emotional speech about how sorry you are and mom might let you stay.
Whatever happens you're a piece of shit.
>>17234552
There's people out there who think someone wanted the rape because they liked 50 shades of grey even though fictional fantasies have nothing to do with reality, right? How the fuck do those people find their way into a court? Shouldn't there be standards?
Goddamn but I'm proud of /adv/ today. Fuck this OP.
>>17234551
I'm honestly curious, what country are you from that up until now it seemed perfectly reasonable that you could accuse someone of turning sex into rape midway through? I mean, you're obviously completely right to think that, but in my own upbringing it's not something I realised was even possible until adulthood (speaking as someone who'd fear being victimised, not some kind of psycho who wouldn't think to stop if asked). And even knowing now that it counts, if that were to happen to me, I doubt I'd find it at all realistic to try and pursue justice.
>>17234582
This thread is certainly going much better than the other day when a woman who was basically on the receiving end of OP's post came to ask if it was rape.
>>17234051
Should've raped her again so she'd stop yelling.
>>17234591
But it WAS rape. That OP felt like she WASN'T. She was 3edgy5me
>>17234583
It's just perfectly reasonable for me to think that can sex can turn into rape through it because a man can easily be a selfish piece of shit that doesn't care and doesn't listen and many men are like that.
>>17234536
I don't think you understand the concept of "devil's advocate". But no matter, I hope you have a very pleasant day.
>>17234580
By this post I mean the victim liked 50 shades of grey, so she clearly wanted it. Even though she didn't. Posted for clarification.
>>17234603
It's reasonable to think that it could happen, but there are a lot of people who wouldn't think to call it rape. A lot of people think that once sex begins, you've consented to the entire thing, that for it to suddenly become rape is simply impossible.
It wasn't very long ago that we thought it was impossible for a husband to rape his wife, that any sex that occurred was consent by default because of their relationship. Hell, a huge amount of people don't think it's possible for a man to be raped by a woman under any circumstances at all, regardless of their relationship, that all men are consenting by default in all situations.
People are ridiculously confused about what rape actually is. So it's just interesting to me that you're so clear cut and confident about it, and somehow haven't encountered all this maddening confusion.
>>17234615
This makes me angry
Some rapist uses an innocent erotic fantasy book to lie about what he did
Rather than tell call the rapist out on his bullshit that objects DON'T make you do it, your actions are your responsibility tumblr and other idiots start attacking the book as if the author's responsible for what strangers do
The rapist gets away with it and people who enjoyed the book are deprived of their innocent joy because feminists are stupid and develop hatred and resentment for the victim because she's the reason why they were deprived of their innocent joy so the next victim will have it harder to make people believe her
Fucking sjws are causing a vicious circle
>>17234621
>A lot of people think that once sex begins, you've consented to the entire thing, that for it to suddenly become rape is simply impossible
That's stupid. Anything can go wrong and/or not the way you expect it. That's why intelligent people try to envision all possible outcomes and prepare themselves.
>>17234621
I'm wary of saying that normally because I enjoy what people consider rapey porn except I have nothing but positive feelings for it, it's sweet and happy and lovely and hot and sexy and romantic to me, and the "rapist" in that kind of fiction is a man I love and adore because he makes me happy and he fulfills all my desires. I have nothing but sincere, genuine love for characters like Christian Grey, they make me happy and I want them to be happy too. I don't feel I'm romanticizing rape because the so-called "victim" is nothing but my self-inaert so the sex is not rape to me, it's the sex I want with the man I want in the fantasies I want and have and that gives me immense joy. I am aware fantasy's not reality and fantasy I can relax and feel always safe because everything my total and exclusive control, nothing's really happening and I can easily stop any time I want just by stop reading/watching/fantasizing etc while reality's not so, but tumblr people think I'm not capable of understanding a simple concept like that and they attack me shaming me for my tastes even though I have done nothing wrong to anyone. That makes me very bitter. I'm not going to speak out for those who've stated they want to do away with what makes me happy, even though it's innocent and good.
>>17234051
Literally rape desu
I hope this is bait but if its not, this is what happens when people try to be "kinky" without knowing the first god damn thing about it. Read up on bdsm and how consent works in that subculture, if you want to try it.
>>17234552
>Some do, if they're into BDSM.
The BDSM community is extremely strict about things like consent. They may even be more hardcore about it than Tumblr, if such a thing is possible. They go so far as to set up elaborate systems of contracts and safewords, precusely to ensure that consent must be unambiguous and can be withdrawn at any time. In other words, mister apologist, this cheap excuse does not fly.
It is not possible to want to be raped. The concept doesn't even make sense: rape is literally defined by not wanting it. There's a legal problem with this defnition, in that it requires a court to prove one's mind-state backwards in time, which isn't possible. Consent is a legal hack to attempt to criminalize the largest provable subset of rapes, and although it is imperfect, no one has figured out anything better yet. But even with this hack in place, the concept of "wanting to be raped" reduces to wanting something and not wanting it at the same time: not merely mixed emotions, but outright doublethink. It is impossible.
Some people do have domination fantasies, and even domination-by-stranger fantasies. Sometimes, these fantasies can generally provide an illusion of certain stereotypical (but surprisingly uncommon in practice) aspects of rape. But they are still only illusions. They are not rape. They cannot be, because they are defined by desire, while rape is defined by not-desire. Literally opposite concepts.
This is like rape 101. Kill urself desu, it's the only way
>>17234051 (OP)
>I'm going to fucking die help I don't know what to do
This is what happens when man children are allowed to make adult decisions. You rape a girl and then ask for help?! You're a fucking idiot, just to clarify. You clearly didn't deserve the girl you were dating. Have fun watching your life spiral out of control, you worthless sack of filth. Your mom was right for freaking the fuck out on you. I hope some beastly, nasty fat Ron Jeremy looking motherfucker with a big ol' dick makes you suck his dick after he rapes you in prison, over and over; Get ready to face a life where you will no longer be able to control your own bowel movements and learning what your own shit tastes like...
Today, OP made me feel much better about myself.
