I'm 21-year-old kissless virgin, /adv/.
Not wanting to kill myself, need some reality check to my observations.
>every single 9+/10 girl I meet is either a slut or engaged
>girls crushed on me only in middle school, I had female friends then
>after hormones kicked in, stutter and can't make eye contact with women, no female friends now
>have no fucking idea how to talk with women and not thinking about it romantically
>maybe it's cuz my school crush turned out as a clingy psychopath
>all my friends are bathing in pussy and slowly get stablier relationships, I feel dating pool is drying out every day
So, anons, experienced with relationships, is it true that you can't find a non-insecure single girl, and you should work on her?
You pick an average girl and we grow together into something not lame?
Or is it some cuck bullshit and I should fuck strangers or something.
You know, most girls think shy dudes are cute, right? If you tell the girl at the start that you're really shy she'll probably giggle and try and calm you.
>>17199870
>You know, most girls think shy dudes are cute, right?
>actually believing this.
Saturday morning cartoons and Disney Kids shows aren't realistic senpai.
Nothing turns women off faster than an insecure/shy (the two are the same to women) guys.
>>17199870
You'll laugh, but I hate people pitying me. I'll think she pays me attention, because I'm just like a poor little brother to her, or other shit.
>>17199840
>all my friends are bathing in pussy
you sure they are not lying or you're exaggerating? very few guys are "bathing" in pussy, or do you just men they have a relationship are having sex with their partner
>>17199876
i think guys can only get away with being shy if they are extremely good looking. if you're an average guys but shy, most girls wont bother. who wants partner that barely speaks and is afraid of opening up?
>>17199870
>most girls think shy dudes are cute, right?
My utter sides. Those Michael Cera movies really ruined today's men.
>>17199897
Normie people fuck at parties, but, hm, the rest are in relationship. Some still fuck on the side, cheat.
>>17199911
>Normie people fuck at parties,
is this an american thing? im from england, people rarely have parties here, and if they do, very few people will be fucking girls. clubbing is the thing here, and even then, most guys dont even successfully pull. if people want sex here, they either use the likes of tinder or attempt pull girls at clubs. im friends with guys would be considered "normie", and they normally only get sex from relationships, they will get casual sex on rare occasions. even the people who get sex more often than others, are the types that do fuck all but speak to girls and spend all their money on clubbing, not even worth in my opinion. sounds easy as fuck in america if you guys only have to go to parties.
>>17199870
What are you smoking, and where can I buy it?
>>17199946
>sounds easy as fuck in america if you guys only have to go to parties.
No it doesn't unless you know what you're doing.
>People only meet on tinder and clubs in England for romantic escapades.
I find this hard to believe and if it's true awfully depressing.
>>17199946
Look, i live in russia and normies have those "let's get high, smoke and drink drink drink and do whatever we want in this fucked up state" meetups in flats since age 15.
Maybe each person doesn't get fucked every time, but it must happen often.
>every single 9+/10 girl I meet is either a slut or engaged
Stop rating women and calling them sluts or engaged. I'm not going to give you any of my usual women are identical nonsense, but literally saying no to so many women is crushing; you're actually pretty much eliminating your chances of finding someone at all.
>girls crushed on me only in middle school, I had female friends then
Good for you. You've had female friends. Don't look back on this sadly.
>after hormones kicked in, stutter and can't make eye contact with women, no female friends now
Remove this 'can't' because you can always make friends. You don't have to panic because you're making friends with a woman, it's fine. It's 2016 and talking to girls is fine.
>have no fucking idea how to talk with women and not thinking about it romantically
Again stop talking so negatively. You had female friends before- and woman are surprisingly similar to men. There's not really a magical formula for you- just work on your confidence. Also don't throw a hissyfit if the first girl you talk to doesn't work out, that's not proof that you're correct.
>maybe it's cuz my school crush turned out as a clingy psychopath
Sure is nice to blame someone else for your own faults, eh?
>all my friends are bathing in pussy and slowly get stablier relationships, I feel dating pool is drying out every day
Your friends have their own troubles and you're looking at it through rose-tinted spectacles. The dating pool is pretty much always the same, think less of it like a time limit and more like you're going to progressively build a better life for yourself.
Focus less on GIRLFRIEND and more on LIVING A NICE LIFE. A partner can make your life worse if you're stupid enough to ignore the signs and let it happen. A happy single life is worth more than a day of an unhealthy relationship.
>>17199959
>>People only meet on tinder and clubs in England for romantic escapades
most girls who i match with on tinder, wanted a relationships rather than casual sex. out of about 20 matches, only two wanted casual sex and they where still awkward about it.
girls do go clubbing quite often for casual sex but most guys still dont pull. i used to go clubbing quite often with "normie" people and none of them ever really pulled. its seems to only be guys that go clubbing all the time that pull.
>>17199902
But that´s how most women act anon...
>>17200016
you're right, but women are feminine and want to be dominated. they dont want it the other way around. nearly all the women i speak to dont do anything but watch netflix and talk to guys, even the ones that i think will be interesting.
>>17200022
Oh god don´t mention that, like the more that I think of it, the more mad I get. Women don´t bring anything to the table besides their pussy it seems.
Luckily I´m (relatively) good looking, that´s why I can get away with being shy without being a kissless virgin but still I feel for all the shy anons in here and my past self.
>>17200041
yeah, i like to think there are good women out there but unfortunately havent met any. tbf though, most guys dont do much but play video games and drink
>>17200041
>Women don´t bring anything to the table besides their pussy it seems
And most men I've seen here list anime and video games as hobbies, so what exactly does that bring to the table?
>>17200051
Nothing. That's why they're here
>>17200051
Don't you dare tell me that anime and video games is fucking "nothing"!
I would kill for a guy who isn't a normalfag playing football and exclusively mainstream AAA vidya titles.
Speaking of which, if you bring too much to the table guys wouldn't be interested in you, right? Don't guys love filling empty pretty heads with their godfull knowledge?
Guys get frustrated, when I mention things they don't know, or accidentially suppress them in their field of interest.
I wish I were a true dumb damsel in distress, who always calls for their prince to do math or fix computers.
Guys love feeling smart, so I bet at least a half of girls fakes it to satisfy them.
When you do a thing for a person, you usually start liking them a bit more.
That's why girls who use guys as tools get such a following.
Alright dude, you're really aiming high and shallow being a 'kissless virgin' as if that really matters. If you really think this way you're never gonna have a meaningful relationship, let alone even be able to call a girl a 'friend'
This is why I only hang out with guys who are close to the woman in their family and actually know how to treat girls as equals, jesus.
>>17200097
This is so gross you're setting the bar so goddamn low.
Those nerdy guys you're talking about are literally EVERYWHERE.
>>17200097
I just like how you think the complete opposite of "vidya and anime" is beer drinking and watching American football.
>Guys get frustrated, when I mention things they don't know
Yeah maybe insecure guys with a macho man complexity. I love learning new things and if a girl teaches me something I find interesting I find her even more attractive and endearing, moreso if she's even smarter than me and we can talk about so called "nerdy things" (not comics, star wars and cartoons) for a long time.
>>17199840
Don't date girls who are "9/10". They are not worth your time even if they had a stellar personality. Being so attractive has ruined their sense of self and inflated their ego.
Bathing in pussy is overrated. Get a nice girl who is attractive to you and gets along well with you. A girl who shares something in common with you and doesn't try and control your life or steer you away from your hobbies.
>>17200155
>Don't date people who are attractive because they have a huge ego
Wew lad
>It's better to find a nice girl
The thing is though people here find the first girl who shows some interest in them and think SHE'S THE ONE and don't look back, then when it turns out she wasn't, they end up being bitter and hating all women generally simply cause of bad advice like, "Find a nice girl and cling onto her with all you've got"
>>17199870
>You know, most girls think physically attractive shy dudes are cute, right?
fix that for you stop spreading misinformation
>>17200041
women are useless they don't even read the news paper or don't know what is happening around them. they only give a shit about the kardashians. this is why men don't like listing to them.also they lack the physical strength of men so good luck getting help when you want to move out or get into a fight.
>>17200319
gr8 b8 m8, 8888...
>>17200319
not sure if bait or retarded
>>17199840
Well what is it that you want out of your own life anon?
Just imagine that you can have what you want. Do you want a bunch of varied women? OK, you can do that, but it's gonna take:
>Going to the gym 3 or 4 times a week
>Eating right to make your body use those workouts to get big and fit and manly and shit
>Working to have a car, have a place to fuck her, have enough money to tease her with it
So you see you can have what you want, but it depends on what you want and how hard you're willing to work for it.
This is coming from a 150 lb skinny white nerdy emo kid who started working out and is now a lot of things that women really like. My dick is still the same though ;)
Anyway, you get the results if you put in the work. How much work do you want to put in? How much work can you put in?
>>17200358
And all a woman has to do is to be pretty.
Women can't even comprehend how ez mode their life is.
>>17200326
how is this a bait? if a guy tries to have a deep intellectual conversation with a woman she will call him a nerd. I once try to talk to a girl about arch linux and she only knew very little about it because her husband is an it security specialist but I would rather talk to him then her. also I am not even a doctor but I know the benefit of omega-3 while my female doctor cousin had no idea.
>>17200373
because its a retarded stereotype. the same guys he is referring to, will be reading pleb news papers if they are talking to girls who like the kardashians.
>>17200264
Would you date someone you weren't physically attracted to?
>>17200373
How would you know? It's unlikely you've spoken to many women in your life. You're just parroting the stuff you read on /r9k/
>>17200373
Dude, you blaming people for not knowing about omega-3 and archlinux is the same as elementary school kid calling a geography professor stupid for not knowing how much gallons of water per second Niagara falls drops (the fact you read at your beloved "2smart4u9000iq" site.
Just admit it, that you learned what an archlinux is from a "nerd" site or wikipedia as well as omega-3 to feel smart and brag about it.
"Omega-3 is good for your health" fact has nothing scientific in it. It's trivia. It may be or not be healthy, based on your individual state. Being a specialist is about finding out all the smallest nuances.
To make grounded assumptions on what's going with omega-3 you need organic chemistry and metabolic pathways.
And Archlinux is trivia too, unless you wanted to discuss some specific problem with it, how you configure it, etc.
I imagine how your convesations go:
>you: did you know that pac-man title origin was originally intended to be blah blah blah blah because it translates as blah blah blah blah
>Girl: um, no
>you: Then you do now *oh god i'm so smart, she didn't know the thing i knew, i'm the smartest fucker in the world*.
Normal people don't use dumb trivia to inflate their ego.
>>17200366
Sure, if all she wants is a dick for the night. Do you understand how unsatisfying that is for most women? Even when it's a nice dick... it's still just a dick for the night. And once you start taking a different dick each weekend... well it's all downhill from there. Ask these women, they know lol.
So yeah, it's easy for a woman to get fucked. It's not easy for a woman to find and keep a man she's legitimately attracted to. Women have to work hard every time they go out. I just had to work hard to be the type of man women want... now I only have to work to maintain it (much easier).
Women have to spend $$ and time and effort every time they go out - makeup, dresses, shoes, haircuts, shit to smell good, etc. etc. It's actually pretty expensive to be a woman, just like it's pretty hard work to be a man.
So it really is that men and women both have challenges, just different challenges and needs.
>>17200508
> makeup, dresses, shoes, haircuts, shit to smell good,
>women are actually delusional enough to think that they need to plaster their faces with makeup, dress up in super expensive clothes and shoes, and soak themselves in parfumes that smell like an explosion that went off in a chemical shop, to find a man worthy of a relationship.
>>17200169
>The thing is though people here find the first girl who shows some interest in them and think SHE'S THE ONE and don't look back, then when it turns out she wasn't, they end up being bitter and hating all women generally simply cause of bad advice like, "Find a nice girl and cling onto her with all you've got"
I made this mistake, and I wish I had the courage to kill myself because of it.
>>17200528
It's not helping, but I always wondered why do so many guys have so little self-respect.
>>17200542
Growing up over sheltered then graduating school with no real life experience and being expected to jump right into the real world and find a girl to spend time with didn't help for starters.
>>17200568
Unless you grew up in an all boys' dorming school you can't act like girls are these mysterious creatures
>>17200542
Guy's aren't told that they are totally awesome and perfect little angels who deserve everything like girls are their whole lives.
Also, a guy in emotional distress gets mocked, shamed and bullied for his "weakness" whereas a girl gets coddled, comforted, and taken care off.
>>17200568
Yeah, that's how real-life awful marriages actually start.
>>17200573
So you want to be constantly coddled and babied? Is that what you want?
>>17200572
Based on fucking what?
Girls don't willingly interact with any other guys than the ones that are at the top of the social ladder.
So "losers", "nerds" and what have you, non cool guys, can easily have absolutely zero experience with girls well into their 20ies.
>>17200581
I wish I had someone to hug me.
>>17200581
Nowhere did I say that.
I just explained why guys don't tend to have as much self respect.
>>17200584
>Girls don't willingly interact with any other guys than the ones that are at the top of the social ladder
Not only is this not true, but it is also hugely ignorant. A beautiful girl isn't going to come rescue you from your moldy basement.
>non cool guys
It is still possible to be cool and be a nerd...it seems you didn't even know that and are just married to this idea that a cool guy is the guy who wears v-necks and has huge biceps..only those guys are allowed to be cool!
If you don't have experience talking to girls it's because you're a pussy with a fragile ego who didn't want to face rejection even once so you just live your life as a social recluse then along the line (now) you realize you need to get some social skills but even then you don't want to learn or use the advice people are giving you, you just want to complain about how "GRILLS HAVE IT SO EAZEE" as if that will change anything.
>>17200573
Maybe it has something to do with parent issues, mostly mother's.
Because my mom coddles both my brother and me. He is perfectly normal with healthy self-esteem (So not me). No coddle is bad and too much of it is bad, there must be a balance.
Like I know a guy with a cold, but loving mother, he is kinda a type, who would do anything for the slightest affection.
His gestures, intonation and speech are literally the same as his mother's, it's mysterious, given he has loving dad and grandparents.
>>17200626
>Like I know a guy with a cold, but loving mother, he is kinda a type, who would do anything for the slightest affection
Sounds like me.
>>17200604
>It is still possible to be cool and be a nerd.
Top fucking kek.
Newsflash, "cool nerds" are a piece of fiction invented by media. There are no such things.
>f you don't have experience talking to girls it's because you're a pussy with a fragile ego
Or, because girls actively shunned you, mocked you straight to your face, and treated you like you were a walking bag of garbage, just because you weren't into sports or hung around with the popular kids who smoked on the school yard, and bullied you.
That leaves lasting damage to a person's psyche you know, well, seeing how you are actually disputing the possibility of someone being shunned by the opposite sex for petty as fuck reasons, I guess you wouldn't know.
>>17199870
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>shy = pathetic = no vaginal fluids on pener
>>17200642
I'm not going to get into a shouting match with some defeatist victim mentality /r9k/ robot. If you want to whine about how you were doomed to never being a sociable human being then you keep thinking that. Just don't go around spreading your pessimism to other men and expecting to be taken seriously
>Everything is a media conspiracy and propaganda
The only propaganda being spread is that you need to be a 6 foot something well built white male who makes 6 figs a year if you want success with women.
>Girls have laughed in your face
>Getting bullied for not smoking or not being part of a clique
When you finally graduate high school you'll find out that the world isn't just full of copy and paste characters from the Mean Girls movie. Right now you just sound like a know-it all fedora tipper just cause of your awful high school experiences, of which a lot of people have had a lot of.
If you want to be a little victim forever then that's wholly your choice.
>>17200676
I got trough high school almost 5 years ago m8.
What part about "lasting damage to a person's psyche" did you not understand?
I have only recently started to overcome the mental issues I developed during my school years, and now I find myself woefully inexperienced in an market where I am supposed to basically read the minds of women to figure out what they like and what to do, because they sure as hell don't give you a straight answer.
>>17200698
The part where you're wallowing in your self pity and expect someone out there to rescue you, other than yourself. If you can't get past being bullied in high school then go speak to a therapist, go to the gym and try and raise your self esteem back up.
> where I am supposed to basically read the minds of women to figure out what they like and what to do
You are not expected to read anyone's mind, you are however expected to at least try and better yourself, and learn how to talk to people which is a skill by the way, no matter how uncomfortable it might be at first and working your way through it instead of twiddling your thumbs and saying, "poor me, woe is me I had a hard life" Everyone has their own things in life to deal with.
>>17200720
If I was wallowing in my self pity, I wouldn't have gotten over my depression, and sought to get my life back on track. It is however, an objective fact that I am hopelessly inexperienced, which is in itself, enough to make some women consider me a pathetic abomination.
>>17200525
Yes, they do, and they even have to do it in such a way that it does not look plastered, which requires even more skill and money.
>>17200736
No they don't.
You don't need to don yourself in hundreds, maybe even thousands of dollars worth of clothing and makeup just to be attractive.
Because being attractive is what most women are to men, by virtue of BEING WOMEN.
>>17200732
You are a pathetic abomination for being so whiny and such a cunt at the same time, what a turn-off
>>17200744
Oh, you hurt me. I am not a cunt, being a cunt is for women.
I am a dick.
>>17199840
>insults women
>whines he can't get a gf
>>17200732
>I am hopelessly inexperienced
Well then get more experience...what is it you want people to tell you?
>>17200751
You're so whiny and entitled asshole full of shit suits you better t b h.
>>17200757
At my age, finding a girl who is ok with a guy who has zero experience with women seems like and impossible task.
It's like being out of job, and going to an entry level job interview where they expect you to have 3 years of work experience.
>>17200778
Man...I think I'm going to tap out of this conversation.
>>17200778
The problem is that you think you deserve a 9/10. If you are this inexperienced obviously you are much lower than a 9/10. People typically date within their own league. Sometimes if you have a great personality or some status you can date up, but clearly you have neither.
>>17200757
How to get experience maybe?
>>17200140
Not her, but what's the actual opposite of comics and anime to you?
>>17200793
>The problem is that you think you deserve a 9/10.
Where did you get that idea from?
All I want is someone who would like me as strongly as I liked her, be enjoyable to be around, and not be a total fat slob or repulsive to look at.
Those standards I hold onto myself as well. I am in fact, slowly trying to get into a better shape as I am somewhat overweight myself.
>>17200819
>every single 9+/10 girl I meet is either a slut or engaged
You entitled millennial fuckwads are all the same anyway. You didn't have to say it.
>>17200795
Uhh...by going out and talking to people? gee idk it wouldn't be by osmosis...If you go out and talk to 1 girl a day for 1 year...300+ girls, let's say you're so damn awful and terrible at this that 90% of the girls don't want to see you ever again, then you're left with 30 girls, of those 20 flake on you, and you're left with 10, of which 3 are really cool as lifelong friends, 6 are already in a relationship but you don't care cause maybe you have a lot in common, and there's 2 really solid romantic interest in there, that's you doing much better than over half of the male population in just a year, and the more you do something the better you get at it.
And even then if you are a cool dude and you do something with your life other than watch anime and porn all day, these girls may introduce you to some of the friends they have cause one thing that's for sure is hot girls tend to have hot friends.
Sitting on tinder swiping right all day, getting a wonky match that won't reply, or going to /adv/ and /r9k/ and complaining about how "GIRLS HAVE IT SO EAZEE WHY CANT THEY ASK ME OUT FIRST WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY FOR DINNER" doesn't do anyone any favors. And you'll do this and soon realize you're almost 40 and you still have no friends and no social skills, and you'll obviously find reasons to rationalize this such as "I was bullied by girls in high school" which by then it will be literally 20 years later and anyone you tell this to will just think less of you that you're still clinging onto how awful high school was to you, or you'll say, "WOMEN ARE JUST SLUTS WHO WANT MONEY" when deep down inside you seek their companionship...like come on, take some damn initiative in your life and just go talk to people
>>17200825
Oh, you are mistaking me for OP.
I am not him.
This is my first post in this thread:>>17200584
>>17200825
Another awful thing that people do on this site is that they like to rank people as 9/10's or 8/10's but then they think they're entitled to be seen as awesome and nice guys to hang out with.
First kiss/lost virginity/first gf was at 25 and I never expected it to happen. I'm engaged now. The only thing that sucks is that I never got to fuck young fresh tight teen pussy back when I was a teenager. But oh well.
>>17200844
>The only thing that sucks is that I never got to fuck young fresh tight teen pussy back when I was a teenager. But oh well.
For me, it is more about the fact that I'll never get to experience the feeling of being in love with someone who reciprocates your feelings when those feelings, and everything about them, is new to both of us. If I ever got a gf (which I doubt I ever will), I'd just be her latest boyfriend, in a who knows how long line of guys.
Call me a romantic, but I find the idea of falling in love with a childhood friend, marrying her, and growing old together with her, to be the most ideal relationship imaginable.
Too bad I am far too old for that, and never even had female friends when I was young. Well, I still don't, so nothing has really changed, except me becoming older, lonelier, and more bitter and cynical about life.
Still, deep down, I wish that I would one day have a family of my own, someone to love, and grow old with.
>>17200869
>Call me a romantic
How about I call you a chump instead? Cause you're nowhere near the definition of a romantic.
>>17200869
go watch 5cm per second
It's a movie just for you
>>17200877
Why so hostile?
>>17200884
I'm being realistic. You are not a romantic and you are probably a huge anime fanatic.
>>17200869
I want what my parents have but I'm too old for that aswell. They were "dating" since they were like 12, married at 23 and are now 85 years old and still together.
>>17200891
Childhood romances are unique in a rather beautiful sense, because they're pure and sincere. It leaves an impression, but grown-up relationship are different, but beatiful too, as I heard.
You may end up happily marrying a childhood friend only if your matured selves are still attracted to each other. It happens, but not so often.
>>17200903
Have you ever stopped to consider that your parents grew up in a different time era with different societal standards with completely different circumstances to your own?
>>17200891
I don't watch anime that much actually.
The shit I have watched is mostly stuff like Evangelion, Ghost in the Shell, Serial Experiments Lain, Ghibli films, and now recently One Punch Man. So entry level shit by /a/ standards.
I hadn't even heard of this >>17200883 before.
But whatever, Old fashioned, romantic, whatever you call it. I don't want some casual relationships, one night stands, or any of that shit. I am not even interest in sex for it's sake, or pursuing girls just to get laid. I want to find someone who I can truly bond with, and see myself living the rest of my life with.
And that seems like an impossible task given my age, and situation, given how to girls of my age, my experience with love and sexual matters is of that of a god damn preteen little boy. This is a situation, that is hard to fix.
>>17200920
How would you know it's impossible when you dont talk to any women?
>>17200920
There should be insecure women of your age, but they will have same teen problems you both postponed.
So you may be able to get your experience now.
>>17200920
How old are you? Are you the OP? My aunt and her husband met at 40 and they're great together. She was married before but he wasn't.
>>17200934
He doesn't plan on getting any experience, unless in the next 50 years someone invents a time machine in which he can jump into and go restart life with so he can find his perfect childhood romance story
>>17200925
Given the fact that I barely even know how to talk to women in the first place, I find it hard to believe in my chances of ever charming one.
I have tried to initiate conversations with girls who are studying in the same school as I, but I can't keep conversations going, and it always feels super fucking awkward and uncomfortable. I can fucking see it in their eyes that they wish that I wouldn't be talking to them.
>>17200934
And where should I find such a woman? Don't even pretend that they are commonplace. Here where I live, most girls have their first sexual experiences before they are even 18.
>>17200938
23 in a few days.
>>17200943
Don't put words into my mouth. Just because my ideal would have been a "childhood romance story" doesn't mean that I don't acknowledge it being unattainable.
As I said here>>17200819, in the end, I'd just want someone who likes me back, is enjoyable to be around, and isn't super fat or repulsive to look at.
>>17200952
>I don't have experience talking to women
>Well okay then go talk to some women
>I don't have experience talking to them
>Well then go get experience *by* talking to them
>I just don't know I had a hard life as a teen ;_; *sad frog*
>I am a wee 23 year old and I feel so old, where did the years go ;_;
>Let's all mop and whine together about how sad it is I will never find true love ;_;
>>17200869
I figured by now you would have figured out that reality isn't that pretty. Don't despair over it though. Let it harden you and shape you into something stronger. Don't long for fantasy. Build yourself into something that can make this reality your bitch. Maybe you will never get your childhood friend romance, but you can still find romance. Just because she had other guys before you doesn't mean you don't mean anything to her. Alternatively find some young religious girl who remains "unsullied". If virginity is that important to you then seek it out. It isn't impossible to find a virgin girl by any means. You just may have to try a bit harder.
>>17200958
I don't understand why people get like this. They are my age (26) or younger. I feel like I am at my prime and on top of the world. Are there things that I want to improve about myself? Certainly. That's why I make realistic goals that I am slowly but surely working my way towards.
>>17200958
Did you miss this part of my post
>I have tried to initiate conversations with girls who are studying in the same school as I, but I can't keep conversations going, and it always feels super fucking awkward and uncomfortable. I can fucking see it in their eyes that they wish that I wouldn't be talking to them.
or were you too triggered by a god damn frog picture to read more than the first row of my post?
>>17200967
Virginity itself isn't that big of a deal for me. However, the fact that the other person has vastly more difference in relationships, love and sex etc, will unavoidably make the relationship less meaningful for the more experienced person than to the one to whom it is the first time he or she is experiencing such a situation. There is just no getting around that. If a girl has had like 10 boyfriends already, how will the 11th one be different to her? Same goes for guys though. I got no double standards in this regard.
As you can see here>>17200952, "being a virgin" is not something that I inherently desire from a girl.
>>17200984
>I don't understand why people get like this
Because they're not doing this.
>That's why I make realistic goals that I am slowly but surely working my way towards
>every single 9+/10 girl I meet is either a slut or engaged
>21-year-old kissless virgin
Considering that you're here, and the fact that you're fucking 21 and haven't even found a girl willing to kiss you, it's clear that you're a 4 at absolute best. Either you lower your demands drastically, or you improve yourself so that you become a 9 or a 10 yourself. You're delusional if you think an attractive girl will ever settle for you the way you are now.
>>17200528
I made this mistake and it turned out she was also a clingy and kinky psycho.
Would do again desu
>>17200992
The answer was under my nose all along. I think I knew that, but I guess I just can't understand why they give up. I mean we are all going to die eventually anyway. Why would you admit defeat before that inevitable death?
>>17200958
tell me about old people
they have a lifetime of socializing, especially considering no web bullshit
are they all charming, charismatic, people magnets?
why are so many old people alone when they can make new various relationships with people, with all that experience and knowledge?
>>17200952
Pfft, I thought you're like 40.
Ok, dude, actually less than 5 years isn't an age gap, so you can fuck a mentally stable 18 yo.
There must be virgin girls, but they don't look like dating material for several reasons. And it must be the attitude or communicative skills, because an ugly girl can get laid with enough vodka and desperation, right?
I'm 20 yo kissless virgin girl, who stays in her room watching anime and studying. If i don't pursuit getting a boyfriend, I'll easily be 23 kissless virgin. I will kiss bad, have sex worse and bring out the worst of teenager insecurities, because I haven't done it yet.
Look, virgin girls are overrated as fuck, if you have no experience you should find a partner who can teach you.
A girl with experience isn't necessary a slut, and idk if a girl gave it up for good, it mustn't be that big of a deal.
>>17200987
>Boohoo I talked to some girls and completely botched it my life is over at 23
Grow a damn spine, I wouldn't even want to be your friend and I'm a guy just cause of how spineless you sound, I imagine when girls talk you they feel the same damn way, expect to the power of 100, because quite frankly it's so exhausting to talk to someone who doesn't want to be helped.
You are yet to say a single interesting thing about yourself other than just endlessly make excuses about dumb things.
>>17201007
Look, I won't pursue a girl just because she is a virgin, or not pursue one because she isn't. Well, I won't pursue girls in any case, because I don't even know how to, but that's besides the point.
My point is, that while I would like to be on same level of experience with the girl I have feelings for, in the end, to me, us liking each other, and getting along well together, enjoying each other's company is far more important than if she is virgin or not.
>>17200987
How do you find virgin guys or at least guys who didn't fuck half of my friend list?
Not totally high standards
>being genuinely interested in manga/anime/vidya/music
>not whiny
>not "it's all about me"
>not thinking with memes
>actually reading books and knowing basic stuff
>>17201037
>>actually reading books and knowing basic stuff
most girls dont really give a fuck about this though.
>>17201037
Unfortunately our generation is so narcissistic and entitled that the people who you are looking for can be hard to find. Keep trying though. There are still plenty of good ones out there. Best of luck to you.
>>17201027
If you meet a girl you can speak without thinking and feel it natural and reciprocal you won't give a fuck about "experience stuff"
You'll try to reach to her and not distance away by whining.
>>17201045
Well, I do.
Call me arrogant, but I wouldn't date a guy who doesn't read fiction. And Harry Potter, Song of Ice and Fire, The Hunger games, other young adult books obviously don't count.
I won't find such in my college though, so no problem here.
>>17201037
I'll reverse the question, how do we find girls like this?
Both of us don't leave our rooms, so what to do?
>>17201150
Break in rooms, of course!
>>17200869
I'm 22 and in a pretty similar situation.
Aside from my ridiculous amount of personal issues, I don't think I'll find someone who thinks the same way about relationships as I do.
Funny thing is, it was never r9k or the internet that really pushed me towards seeking "romanticised" versions of relationships. I guess it was the was family around me and the media I grew up with.
I'd like someone who's a virgin like me partially because that'd most likely mean they won't look at me weird. It'd also mean they have the same views on dating and relationships as I do.
I don't think I'll ever make it happen and I've mostly given up, because this combined with my hobbies and interests makes me repel 95% of women already, and that's without considering my other shitty issues.
Not to mention the fact that I'd assume a girl who I'd be interested in would most likely be spending the majority of her days in her room, and even when they go out it's not like you can really tell if they actively hide powerlevels.
tl,dr I think we're sabotaging ourselves with what we want, but I really can't help it.
>>17201181
What hobbies, anon?
Do you have clubs for them, there might be shy girls.
>>17201195
Well my interests that push women away are weebshit and vidya. It doesn't matter what other hobbies or interests I have because those are already ignored because of what I mentioned.
I remember when I was like 17 or so I went out with people (an extremely rare occasion) so I met people who didn't know a thing about me.
I was talking to a girl about training because we'd both been doing sports since we were little and since I never really cared about revealing my powerlevel I casually mentioned sports mangas and animes. The girl quite obviously lost interest after that talk and I've had similar things happen with people I talk to.
As for clubs and whatnot, I'm not in uni, so that's a no-go, and I wouldn't even know what clubs would be worth it (animeme clubs are horrible from what I hear)
>>17201022
Oh, so you want to hear my fucking life story?
Here is a brief summary of the last 10 years of my existence.
>12 old something, shy as fuck kid with a single friend, bullied by both girls, as well as more popular boys, who both spread rumors than I and my friend were gay, because we liked to play together in the schoolyard's woods, draw comics together, and in general, act like a bunch of nerds with weird interests.
>this bullying led to the sense that nobody, especially no girl, saw me as anything other than "that weird gay faggot who plays in the woods" which eventually devolved to just "that weird faggot".
>When puberty hit the confusing emotions just bolstered my insecurities, and fears, and I started to both hate myself, as well as any feelings I was developing for girls. It didn't help that girls still kept bullying me, and treating me like garbage, while guys had for the most part stopped, other than occasionally do shit like knock me around, or call me a faggot.
>spent basically the remaining of primary school awkwardly just trying to get by, avoiding girls because I didn't want to be called a fatass yet again, (I wasn't even that fat, just a bit chubby), with massive anger and self hatred issues boiling beneath me.
>come high school, I get put into a class where I don't know anyone, and immediately, my insecurities begin to ring warning bells, and I do my best to shy away from everyone, in order to not cause any unwanted attentions (which at this point in my life, had always been bullying and teasing).
>don't make any new friends, only socialize with a couple of old acquaintances I knew back from primary school, 3 years go by.
>by the end of the last year, end up hearing that everyone thought that I was about to shoot up the school any day now. I also don't pass the entrance exams to the school where I was applying to, which sucks massively because...
>>17201226
>19 years old, means conscription here where I live, spent 6 months in the army with a horrible sleep rhythm, still failing to make any new friends, because my army mates thought I was a lazy weird asshole or something (which, to be fair, I sorta was). I shared no hobbies or interests with any of them, so there was nothing really but our mutual discomfort at being in cold, and dark woods digging fake mines into the ground for practice to bond over.
>Get out of army, find myself in a somewhat directionless situation, try to start preparing for the entrance exam of the school I applied for year earlier, discover that I had basically forgotten everything but the basics of the subject in the army, fail the exam again, start falling into depression. I am 20 at this point.
>completely directionless, work at my father's metalworking firm which I hated, depression worsening, no friends, starting to become suicidal.
>January 2014, get sent to live at my aunt's place by my parents, in order to visit a relative of my aunt's husband, whose job is to help young people figure out what they want to study. During this time, form a strong bond with my, back then, 9 and 11 or so old cousins, who constantly sought to spend time with me. They were pretty much the only friends and company I had, and with them, I felt actually truly, genuinely happy, for the first time in a long, long time. Those two little girls were the light of my life back then.
>The youth therapist or whatever I was seeing, basically concludes after few months of seeing her semi regularly, that I am probably depressed, and should seek help, and that she can't really help me in my current condition.
>>17201232
>Go back home, depression comes back with a vengeance, now that I no longer had the company of my cousins to make feel happy and loved, feel like utter shit, start hurting myself physically, and finally lash out at my parents who kept bugging me. They realize how fucked in the head I am, eventually, the autumn of that year, I get into a program trough which I started getting meds, and proper therapy.
>2015 goes slowly, with me seeing a therapist regularly, slowly working trough my issues, taking meds, and occasionally visiting my cousins, over time, start feeling a bit better, and towards the end of 2015, decide to apply to study something completely different than the stuff I previously tried and failed to get in.
>2016 comes, move out to study to the same city where my aunt and her family lives in February, with a new, a bit more positive mindset, try to be sociable with the people whom with I live with in the student apartment complex.
>slowly adapt to a new rhythm in life, try to get used to the changes. Visit my aunt's folks occasionally, seeing my cousins. Also befriend a girl who lives in the same apartment complex. At first, we just watch movies together from the tv, or play board games, but as weeks pass by, I start realizing that I have developed feelings towards her, feelings which I had never felt before.
>start spending more and more time with her, as I enjoyed her company. We went to the movies and hung out in the city and in general, spent tons of time together, often staying up all the way past midnight just chatting and watching youtube videos.
>never in my life, had I been able to interact with a girl like this before. She seemed to enjoy my company, and actively sought to spend time with me, and I thought that she might have actually liked me, but as I had no experience with this type of shit, I never found the courage to tell her that I like her. Still, even her just being my only friend here was fine with me.
>>17201239
>Things seemed to be going well, until one day, after a big argument over inconsequential shit (immigrants), she basically told me that I should never be in contact with my cousins again. It turned out, that for the past 2 years, she had been thinking that I was a pedophile, for enjoying spending time with my cousins. This pretty much ruined my relationship with her and her family (and by expy, my folks and her folks as well, as my parents were fucking furious about those allegations), and I haven't been in any contact with her or her family since.
>while that debacle did hurt me tremendously (I love my cousins, they are the sweetest little girls imaginable, and the fact that my aunt thinks that I had some horrid desires of intentions towards them offends and hurts me.), I was able to sorta get over it, after all, I still had the girl who I had befriended, so it wasn't like I was totally fucking alone here, with nobody who cared about me.
>It was not to last however.
>Come about a month and a half before this day, the girl I got a crush on, and who I thought to be my friend, starts to become increasingly cold, and distant from me. No longer responding to messages, or seeking to spend time with me, and seemingly enjoying my company less and less, it gets to the point where she barely even acknowledged my existence, even if I was in the same room with her. This hurt me immensely, and sent me back into my depressive spiral hard. I didn't know what to do, and I didn't understand why she started acting that way.
>then, after a few weeks, she suddenly acts like nothing had happened, we start spending time together again, even go out together a couple of times, until she drops me like a sack of rocks, again, with no explanation.
>at this point, I start to think that maybe she doesn't like me the way I like her, or worse, she is just playing with me, only enjoying the attention I give her, with no intentions of ever really reciprocating my feelings back.
>>17201244
And that brings us to this day.
I'm Immensely hurt, sad, and lonely, I don't know what to do, and now she is moving out of the apartment complex, and I don't know if I'll ever see her again. I got nobody here anymore. No friends, my aunt thinks that I am a god damn pedophile after my own cousins, and thus I am no longer welcome in her household. I just don't know where to find the strength to carry on. I am so god damn tired, and the spiral of depression seems to be constantly one extremely bad day away. I never want to fall into that pit of despair again, but as it is, seems like it is just a matter of time.
This ended up way, WAY longer than I intended. I had never written my brief lifestory like this before, and somehow it felt almost cathartic.
Take what you will from it.
Sorry in advance for anyone who might have found this annoying.
>>17201254
Live in the past and wallow in self pity or get over it. Not everyone gets born into a nice life.
Cry me a river about how you failed at a relationship. People go through a lot of rejection with women until they get a relationship that works. This idea that you get success on the first time is a classic entitled millennial mindset
>>17201181
>Not to mention the fact that I'd assume a girl who I'd be interested in would most likely be spending the majority of her days in her room, and even when they go out it's not like you can really tell if they actively hide powerlevels.
>tfw I realized this and tried online dating
>tfw that was even worse
You gotta keep your anime/vidya shit to yourselves. Ain't no bitch wanna hear anything like that.
Only when your deep with them you bring it up.
>>17201369
I didn't even have a relationship m8. And the fact that things ended the way they did with that girl and I is just one aspect of what is causing me stress. The main thing is the fact that I am utterly alone now. I got nobody here.
No need to be that hostile.
>>17199840
>have no fucking idea how to talk with women and not thinking about it romantically
>every single 9+/10 girl I meet is either a slut or engaged
kek. /r9k/ in a nutshell. "I know nothing about women but all the ones I want are sluts and whores because they don't want me."
Good luck, OP.
>>17201438
https://youtu.be/hcCOCxOCrcA
Consider watching this video, dont dismiss it because its 20 minutes long.
>>17201150
I don't know, online relationships maybe.
>>17201037
Join a club/group/band that plays real instruments (not guitars though). 90% of people I've met in symphonic bands meet your criteria perfectly.
>>17201438
At that point I'd consider suicide.
There should be government incentives for suicide.
>>17201398
Wouldn't keeping it to yourself only be worth it if you're going for a pump n dump?
>>17201822
Revealing your power level is tricky honeslty
>>17199870
This is a nice meme.
>>17199840
First, stop being a perfectionist. Second, get a reality check by posting a few selfies here or on /b/ and just asking for a honest opinion on your looks. Third, go get laid already. It will dispel all of your insecurities (unless you have a micropenis) about women and give you the confidence that you need to get a gf, if that's what you truly want. How do you go about doing this?
>>17201822
No you just don't bring it up when chatting to a chick at any circumstance. Only when you've become close i you could i guess but if not you are just gonna make them avoid you.
>>17202184
But if you want to actually be in a relationship with someone why would you be ashamed of such a simple thing as things you watch/read?
Wouldn't that just mean that you'd want to be someone you're not so that people can like you?
Would it even make a difference if you reveal it later? I mean if they were just going to disregard you based on your hobbies or interests I'd think they're not worth your time to begin with.
Nah it's not really about being ashamed but more so not trying to ruin your chances from the get go.
It's just better to keep that shit to yourself until you both get to know each other more to a time where it don't matter what you do for your hobbies when he/she finds out. I mean if those are the only hobbies you got then your pissed i guess since it'll be hard for you to talk about whatever else you do.
>>17202296
Shit forgot to link
>>17202508
>>17202508
First you say it's not about being ashamed, then you say it'll ruin chances and that it should be kept like some dark part of your past.
I have quite a few other hobbies and interests and I could just talk about anything else, it just feels stupid to hide it or keep it to myself if I want to mention it or something related to it.
And once again I don't think it's a good idea to get into a relationship with someone who judges you on a random interest/hobby that you have that barely influences your life.
Then again I say this because I'd prefer someone who shares some of my interests anyway.
>>17202540
Mehh whatever suits you i guess.
>>17201386
I don't understand how people can do online dating in the first place.
>>17201469
I don't see how that is at all relevant to me.
>>17203203
Because of living with "wah I had hardships..I wish I could have a life like this person without hardships" isn't going to get you anyway.
You gotta just accept that and work through to get where you want. You're not going to get any where using your past as an excuse for why you can't do anything.
Yea losing contact and failure at relationships is hard and rough etc etc.
Think about the story you will tell after years of work that you were able to find success even after hitting these low points and turning it around. Thats a story worth telling not "I never did anything because of these events a few years ago"
>>17200319
That's why you only fuck guys, right?
>>17203298
>"wah I had hardships..I wish I could have a life like this person without hardships"
Point to where I said that.
>Look, I won't pursue a girl just because she is a virgin, or not pursue one because she isn't. Well, I won't pursue girls in any case, because I don't even know how to, but that's besides the point.
>My point is, that I would like to be on same level of experience
These are 2 points that /adv/ can't answer.
>every single 9+/10 girl I meet is either a slut or engaged
Are you 9+/10 yourself or why mention this?
>>17200993
>lower your demands drastically
I wonder if this is actually possible. I just don't see how someone can fake it till they make it with attraction
>>17199840
Fuck all this shit anon. Here's what you actually need to do.
1. Evaluate yourself physically. Most men have this idea that they can't change their physical attractiveness at all. This is bullshit. Unless your extremely fat/disfigured, most girls will go for a guy who clearly takes care of himself. Get good clothes (make sure they fit), get your hair cut, whiten your teeth, go the gym and eat healthy food. You'll see results quickly if you stick to this.
2. Start talking to strangers. Work your way up to approaching random girls. Do this over and over again till you anxiety fades. This will feel like pulling teeth the first few times you do it, but don't be discouraged. Practice makes perfect.
I was in your spot when I was 18 and I managed to pull myself out it over the course of 4 months of hard work. It can be done, you just need to be committed.
>>17205092
I agree with everything you said in this post except for
>Unless your extremely fat/disfigured, most girls will go for a guy who clearly takes care of himself.
this part.
If you naturally look like shit taking care of yourself won't do much in terms of attractiveness. At that point you either luck out with some girl who has weird taste in guys or you lower your standards a fair bit and date someone in your league.
