>>17199740
You've found a bro for life. Enjoy your lives together. Get wives. Have each others families over for BBQs. Watch your kids grow up together. etc. etc.

>>17199740
<3 so beautiful, post pics so I can make yaoi

>>17199757
...women

>>17199740
I had similar "problem" with guys I've been deployed in Afghanistan with. Deep love for them, and after I returned, I just couldn't make as strong bond with a woman (or a man for that case).

Like there are men romantically attracted to women that find the idea of actual sex with them unappealing so it is with gay men too when it comes to the idea of actual gay sex

>>17199807
Those people are just "asexual" though.

At least in my personal experience, I've never met a woman I've only been emotionally attracted to whom I didn't wanna fuck eventually.

Even the puppy love crushes I had back in hs, I would still jerk off to the idea of seeing those girls naked, or touching them, fingering them, etc...

This is my biggest issue with women and feminism and all that "progressive" bullshit these days. Two men can't love each other anymore without being in love with each other. Steve Rogers has a childhood friend who he went through hell together with? Na, they're gay.

Frodo and Sam travelled for three years through a living hell to save the world and grew closer through adversity and the need to survive? Na, they're gay.

That Star Wars nigger gets complimented by the pilot guy? Na, they're gay.

Women are fucking retarded.

>>17199740
>Is it possible to feel a strong sense of love for a man without any sexual attraction?
Yes.

>Is it still gay?
Not as long as there is no sexual attraction involved. But there is a very common misconception in this day and age that this isn't possible, so you do need to be prepared for some people to assume that you are.

>>17199740
You're heterosexual. Sorry, it's just who you are, can't change that, not even brainwashing works.

It used to be pretty normal, enjoy having a bro-tier friend.

My Dad used to have me put my nutsac on his work bench while he'd beat my balls HARD 40-60 times with a huge thick leather belt and until i was sobbing hard and swearing never to have gay sex....so the idea of it turns me off.

>>17199820
You're a nasty pervy fuck.

>>17199825
Nah, you can blame modern culture for that. The "no homo" thing actually started in Victorian times. Men used to be allowed to be much more affectionate with each other but that was stomped out along with any male fashion that showed off the body.

Heels actually used to be men's fashion, made to show off legs. If you look at old paintings of kings and other important figures around the shakespearian baroque eras, most of them have their legs and calves as a prominent focus of the painting. It was the male equivalent of a low-cut shirt. You don't see that anymore.

As a side note, there's a term used by feminists called "toxic masculinity". They use it to discuss how gender roles impact men, too, and I'm pretty sure it actually denounces culture's inability to allow men to show friendly affection without being called gay.

The women who cry gay at any male relationship are just fetishizing. Female equivalent of lesbian porn.

>>17199740
Thats yo main homie. Its not gay in the slightest.

>>17200023
>Feminists blame men for problems that men face while also blaming men for the problems that women face
Yeah, clearly they're the good guys. Women and feminism have been trying to erode masculinity for years. In fact, you did it in your very post. By calling masculinity "toxic" and diassociating friendship and comradery from masculinity. Men calling each other gay for wanting a hug isn't toxic. That's how men bond. Blaming masculinity for the death of comradery is the "toxic" thing.

>>17199785
>>17199825
I'm a girl and that bro-platonic love fascinates me. It's mentioned in classic books several times, like in "All's quiet on the western front", and it's, goddamn, the pinnacle of human bonding and understanding each other.
Maybe I'm wrong, but from what I've seen, men love team (sports etc) more than women. You can tie prehistoric hunting stuff, war between tribes, it's completely natural.

Men are in love with their penis and love other penises as well. But don't want to be looked at as gay so we slap bitches around

>>17200036
I second that. Toxic? What? "we're men and we can hug when we want, whine and wear frilly dresses, evil society shouldn't look down on uuuus" is some serious anti-masculine shit happening.

>>17200038
I think it comes from the differences in the way men and women "compete". A lot of men see their superiors as simply that, superior. They see that and think "I want to be that. Fuck it, I want to be BETTER than that". Women see their superiors and think "fuck that bitch, she a skinny ho, Imma tell everyone she sucked the boss' dick, fucking bitch". They don't think "I want to be that" or "I want to be better than that". They think "I want her to be worse than me."

One of these is conducive to friendship and the other isn't. Not saying this is true for all women or all men, but it's generally true, in my experience.

>>17200036
Chill out, bro. I'm simply giving you the term that I have heard.

I agree that men having close friendships is normal and natural. People are social creatures and need social interaction and contact.

>>17200067
>Chill out
There it goes again. I disagree with you and suddenly I'm mad. I'm fucking frothing at the mouth. My eyes have glazed over. My fists clenched until my knuckles have gone white.

Nope, I just disagree. But God forbid someone disagrees with someone else these days. That's far too toxically masculine, eh m8?

>>17200038
Men, as the superior sex, bond best with fellow men. Women are beneath them, animals are beneath them. Like you wouldn't eat another man, and only stoop to do that to all animals besides dogs, cats and horsess (the friends of men), you wouldn't fuck another man, and only stoop to that that to women

It's called a best friend. Women collect them like fucking pokemon cards and no one thinks it's gay. But the real thing is rare as fuck. Like a shiny pokemon. So you hold onto him, OP. Hold onto him and don't let go. Use a fucking Masterball if you have to.

>>17200076
Lol. I've never been particularly good at reading emotional states, and in text it's harder. With no feedback from expression and vocals, I can only rely on how I perceive the tone of the text.

I've done some checking out of both sides, the feminists and MRA stuff, since I like to look at both sides.of everything. As usual, both sides make a fair point on some parts and are way off in others. And both sides have decent people and total asshole extremists. The best route lies somewhere in the middle: people should be able to do what they want how they want it, without judgement, as long as they aren't harming anyone.

>>17200098
>people should be able to do what they want how they want it, without judgement
Want to know how I know you're a woman?

Every friendship has a lot of sexual chemistry but to act on that in same sex friendships would be gay which none of us are cool with ourselves although we do respect the homosexual pioneers of our time. Back in ancient Greece is was perfectly normal for male friends to fuck each other but centuries of the dark ages have shamed most of us into thinking its taboo. Will be back like it was in ancient Greece by the time we have grandkids

>>17200103
> although we do respect the homosexual pioneers of our time
Fuck off faggot. You're exactly the problem OP's talking about.

>>17200102
Praytell how.

>>17200090
Anon, this is my favourite post today.
Are you a boy or a girl?

Lot of kids posting in this thread. As you get older you realize your best friend is the one you have the best sex and romance with. Chances are you have been conditioned to think you being gay is not as good as being straight so you will end up in unhappy marriages and your best bro will do the same and you will lose touch and die unhappy and raise your kids to do the same

>>17200118
Because you can't think beyond the present moment in time. If nobody is hurt immediately then nobody is hurt at all. You can't plan for consequences. Hell, you're probably not even aware that consquences exist.

>>17199825

Yeah, but the more comfortable we get with homosexuality, the less it even matters if something is mistaken for gay. And the more comfortable we get with homosexuality, the more actual gay couples there will be in media, thus the less the gay-starved masses of teenage girls with Tumblogs will feel compelled to shoehorn that shit into everything out of principle/sexual frustration.

Men and women in strong brother/sister friendships (or actual brother/sisters) have dealt with being mistaken for couples since the dawn of time and you don't see them getting up in arms about everything being sexualised. Where are the great examples of strong opposite sex friendships in media? Put a man and woman on screen, you know they're gonna fuck by the end of the movie, that's just how it works.
Love stories are just the go-to crowd pleaser. It's been that way with hets for years, and now that gays are up and coming, it's just being done with them too.

>>17200090
This analogy is a shiny pokemon in a sea of bidoofs.

>>17200134
Fuck off faggot. Nobody looks up to faggots. That's the difference. Stop trying to dissolve the nuclear family.

Wikipedia:
Societal attitudes towards same-sex relationships have varied
over time and place, from expecting all males to engage in same-
sex relationships, to casual integration, through acceptance, to
seeing the practice as a minor sin, repressing it through law
enforcement and judicial mechanisms, and to proscribing it under
penalty of death.
...]
In cultures influenced by Abrahamic religions , the law and the
church established sodomy as a transgression against divine law
or a crime against nature . The condemnation of anal sex between
males, however, predates Christian belief. It was frequent in
ancient Greece

>>17200052

What's anti-masculine about someone doing what they want to do? Some faggot mincing around in a frilly dress has no impact in your ability to choose to wrestle bears. It's just about creating freedom of choice.

Masculinity itself isn't toxic, it just has potential to manifest in toxic ways when it adversely impacts a man or the people around him - when men drop dead at 50 because going to the doctor is for pussies, when they refuse to hug their children because they think love makes them weak, etc. Just being manly is totally fine, look at those fucking old spice ads, people love manly men.

If you want to be masculine, be masculine. But sitting online bitching about how women won't let you be manly is the most faggy thing I've ever heard.

>>17200129
Hah. And would you believe me if I said I wasn't?

>>17200058
>>17200082
Getting deeper into the rationalising thing it's full of logic.
Basically.
Men support the structure of society, respect hierarchy, want to make community prosper. Male animals aren't fans of fighting to death, for example, assuring superioriy is enough.
Women are more about "if you lay a finger on my partner/child/etc i'll scratch out your eyes and take out your spine". Females would kill. Like not giving a fuck about social community, law, "I love my close circle, who wants bring pain to it is my sworn enemy".
I'm pissed at how women I see (more often then men) break rules and are shamelessly two-faced, when it's not about their family or boyfriend.

>>17200149
I'd give you the ol' feminist favourite: "some women have penises. Deal with it."

Faggot.

Lucky you. You found a true bro. Hold on to him.
It's brotherly love, nothing sexual so don't worry about being a queer.

>>17200076

Making a big sarcastic post about how not mad you are makes you sound pretty mad, friend. A simple "Oh, I'm not mad," would suffice, and allow you to actually get on with some sort of point that would contribute to the discussion.

Wiki:
Plato wrote that homosexuality "is shameful to barbarians because of their
despotic governments, just as philosophy and athletics are, since
it is apparently not in best interests of such rulers to have great
ideas engendered in their subjects, or powerful friendships or
physical unions, all of which love is particularly apt to produce".

>>17200129
Your wrong. The biggest manly man tell you the exact same thing he does. I'm doing my business my way and you're doing your business your way. As long as you don't hurt my business, you're ok.

Wiki:
In Ancient Rome the young male "body remained a focus of male
sexual attention, .... All
the emperors with the exception of Claudius took male lovers."

>>17200162
>umad
>No
>YEAHUMAD
Top kek. Good one lad.

>>17200172
My wrong? Sorry m8, I don't own any wrongs. If you were trying to assert I'm wrong, then maybe you could do a better job than saying "You're wrong" and then repeating the exact same thing I just mocked as your "evidence".

Wiki:
During the Renaissance, wealthy cities in northern Italy — Florence
and Venice in particular—were renowned for their widespread
practice of same-sex love, engaged in by a considerable part of
the male population and constructed along the classical pattern of
Greece and Rome.

>Faggots have always been faggots
>Here's example of faggots from societies that collapsed as proof that faggots aren't an issue
Hmmm

>>17200184
>ranting about phone auto-correct
Since you don't have any meaningful argument I accept this as an admittance that I'm right.

>>17199740
it is not good to start with these words for story like this.But if you were "gay" You would not give a fuck about it.But it is obvious that you think twice on it.

So i can say: this is very normal and i envy your friendship.Because i ve exactly need same thing for years.You will not beleive but i even pray about it.

If you want to be really happy in your life time.I believe you need simply 2 people.

One women to hug and love and one friend to trust and be a true bro.These things are powerful than money and drugs beyond everything

you are lucky that you ve found one

>>17200184

I didn't say you were mad, I said your response makes you LOOK mad. So if that's not an image you want to covet, maybe it's worth changing your approach and channeling that passion back into the topic at hand, instead of squandering it on a spirited soliloquy about how chill you are. You don't have to waterboard us with your good vibes, I believe you.

>>17200184
Considering you're spending all your time refuting arguments because someone is a "faggot" or a "woman" and saying you never admit when you are wrong makes me think you are refusing to even consider that anyone else has a valid opinion. Never acknowledging you are wrong is not a strength. It shows a lack of maturity.

Can you argue without dismissing the opposition?

>>17200194
>9 words
>Ranting
lol

>If I ignore the rest of the post, then I don't need to address it
top lel

I'd say you tried, but I'm not entirely sure that you bothered to.

>>17200145
Look, being masculine isn't about masculine things at core. People who constantly reassure their manliness are insecure and as bad as people who whine about society shunning them.
The things you mention are bad and the ones that going to replace them aren't any better.
For example, men will grow into manchildren because they can always blame society for not being a heaven for them. Fighting the public disapproval of feminine activities can be both brutal and masculine by itself. Strengthening the spirit.

Or look at it this way.
Making people respect men doing non-masculine activities is kinda nice, but on the other hand, if all activities are masculine, none is.

Extrapolate it on other sj problems and realise that everything loses its face and nature, becomes uniform.

Wiki:
Pacific Oceania: In many societies, especially in Papua New Guinea ,
same-sex relationships were an integral part of the culture until
the middle of the last century. The Etoro and Marind-anim for
example, even viewed heterosexuality as sinful and celebrated
homosexuality instead. ... Many
Melanesian societies, however, have become hostile towards
same-sex relationships since the introduction of Christianity by
European missionaries

>>17200129
>If nobody is hurt immediately then nobody is hurt at all.
That's a pretty big leap.

>>17199740
>he's slept with over 200
I'm sure that's an exaggerated number, but does he have HIV, yet??

>>17200200
Na, I'll do as I please, thanks. If you're too retarded to read without projecting shit onto it, that's on you.

>>17200201
I'll argue while dismissing the opposition. It's more fun that way. That way you know you're wrong, but you also know you're a faggot.

>saying you never admit when you are wrong
You've made that up. I never said that. Try again.

>Never acknowledging you are wrong is not a strength. It shows a lack of maturity
Good thing you made that up then, eh?

Also, burden of proof is on you. If you assert that the manliest thing in the world is letting people do whatever they want, then you need to prove it.

>>17200076
>>17200184
u cheeky little faggot
didn't anyone ever teach you no one likes a smart ass?

>>17200223
No, but I was taught that nobody likes a faggot.

>>17200212
I guarantee you're pro-fag marriage because "It doesn't hurt anyone". Aren't you?

>>17200214
>I'll argue while dismissing the opposition. It's more fun that way. That way you know you're wrong, but you also know you're a faggot.
...This cheeky fucker's won me over, I'm on whatever side he's on.

>>17200214
> I don't own any wrongs.

Of course there's no way to prove anything, since there's no proof aside from word of mouth. But I guarantee that if you do what you want with confidence and with consideration for others, you will garner respect. Much moreso than forcing yourself to fit a predetermined mold of what a "man" is.
Being a man is being a mature adult, which means being able to be independent, to take care of yourself. If that involves cooking and cleaning, so be it. Relying on women to do work that you need in your daily life means you will always be dependent on somebody. Do it yourself, fuck necessary like skills being "girly". It's about taking care of yourself and being secure in that.

>>17200234
>I guarantee you're pro-fag marriage because "It doesn't hurt anyone". Aren't you?
Oh please tell us how fag marriage hurts anyone.

>>17199740

so you just have a best friend. doesn't have to be gay and you dont have to do gay things.

this is why #givecaptainamericaaboyfriend is the worst fucking hashtag ever. it makes it so that men can't have a close friendship without worrying about whether or not they are gay.

In the early ages of the island of Guam, there was no concept of homosexuality. im sure it existed but it wasn't something that ever was noticed enough.

They did however have a very strong concept of friendship. When you chose your 'best friend' that man was considered to be your best friend for life. Like your wife, he owned everything you owned, and you owned everything he owned. it was expected that one of you would take care of hte others family if one died. You were expected to walk down the street with linked arms.

though you would live with your wife your 'best friend' was considered a more important relationship.

>>17200247
Inb4 anon says "think about the CHILDREN"

>>17200246
That's me mocking his poor grammar. He said "your" instead of "you're". Do keep up.

>talking about "men's work" and "women's work"
I don't believe I ever even came close to implying something like that. Is there a reason you're talking about something so utterly random that hasn't been mentioned before?

>>17200247
See? I was right on the money, as usual.

Fag marriage is about the eroding of tradtionalism and the nuclear family. The nuclear family is statistically the absolute, unparalleled, best way to raise children. Fags aren't very good at it. They raise criminals and the mentally ill, I'll find the numbers if you'd like. On top of this, fags are notoriously shit at monogamy. Just absolutely fucking dreadful at it. This is going to lead to a lot of divorces. This increases the divorce rate and further normalises divorce, which is already pretty fucking normal in the US, sitting at 50% divorce rate. Divorces fuck up children. This leads to more criminals and more mentally ill.

Also, lesbians domestically abuse like a motherfucker. They put everyone to shame. Letting them have children is a recipe for disaster.

Aside from that, I just hate fags in general.

>>17200263

>fags are notoriously shit at monogamy
>whereas striaghts have a whopping 40% success rate at their marriages (not including all the ones who cheat or are just shit relationships who refuse to split up tho!)

genocide when?

>>17200251
>this is why #givecaptainamericaaboyfriend is the worst fucking hashtag ever. it makes it so that men can't have a close friendship without worrying about whether or not they are gay.

People already worried about appearing gay anyway though. Just now they have to worry about being celebrated for appearing gay instead of beaten up for appearing gay.

You think people weren't snickering about how Sam and Frodo looked like a couple of homos? I'm still amazed those movies got away with so many strong, loving male friendships.

American media in general just fucking sucks at appreciating friendship. Or any healthy platonic relationship. Most of the time the relationship in focus is platonic, a romantic relationship becomes the driving force - a girl getting between bros, helping a bro get the girl, etc.

But yeah, at the end of the day, fuck that stupid fucking tag. Rest assured it's all straight suburban 15 year old white girls who just need something new to schlick to now that the 50 Shades of Grey movie turned out shit and their books are dog-eared to death.

>>17200277
>40% success rate at their marriages
In the US. 87% success rate where I come from.

>>17200296

its not as simple as you make it out to be with the 'celebrated'.

as open minded as someone can be, as accepting of gays as someone can be, they do not want to be gay themselves. cuz they are straight.

saying 'its okay to be gay' does not make someone feel at ease about their platonic relationship with another man. it makes them just as confused because men are being told that they are not allowed to be as close as OP and his friend or, or cap and bucky.

its not just the media. its life.

I'm gay myself, and this kind of thinking even hurts me. because all it says is that i am not allowed to have any straight platonic male friends either.

>>17200301

>im from minnesota

please kill yourself

>>17200329
I'm not from the US, numbnuts.

>>17200338

>divorce is illegal cuz im muslim

thats almost as bad as being from minnesota

>>17200356
Christian country, actually. I never said divorce was illegal either. No need to be so jealous.

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>>17200361

>YOU DONT LIKE MY ARGUMENTS SO YOU MUST BE JEALOUS

>>17200367
I didn't make any arguments. I simply gave a marriage success rate stat. Then you started crying about Minnesota for some reason. Then when I said I wasn't from Minnesota, you started to call me a muslims for some reason.

You're clearly jealous. You're probably a woman too. Trying to drag others down beneath you instead of trying to elevate yourself.

>>17200327

I'm not saying it isn't shit, just that it used to be shitter.