I (openly) supported Trump. I told my friends about it and have had many debates about it, too. They're "disappointed" in me but respect my decision since it is informed. However, I'm afraid if he does win and ends up being a bad president, they'll blame me since I voted for him and disown me as a friend. Plus, most of my friends are Hispanic and they indeed believe Trump is racist.
Is there any way I can convincingly disavow him while still secretly supporting him? Or extricating myself from this social conundrum I've created?
>>17150359
Two of my good friends are not voting for Trump, I am voting for Trump. They know this and don't hold it against me. Politics should not get in the way of true friendships. I know a few mexicans supporting Trump.
Also, Trump is not racist. Nobody can prove he is. Because he's not.
I am also disappointed in you and I don't respect your decision.
Don't vote for him, then. Hilary will make a mediocre president. Hopefully the next election will have better choices.
You're admitting the possibility that he might make a bad President. This puts you far ahead of most Trump supporters. I think you will be all right.
It will literally not matter or be relevant for another 4 years.
>>17150372
When they called Trump racist, I tried to argue, but it basically came down to, "we're Mexican and we felt that what he said is racist". I couldn't really counter that, because it is true. I can't invalidate their feelings, especially since I'm not Mexican myself (although I am a minority).
>>17150418
Just because they "feel" someway doesn't make it true. Not to mention they don't speak on behalf of all mexicans.
>>17150418
They have to go back.
>>17150390
Yes, this was the exact quote we were arguing about. Do you know what antecedents are? "They" is referring to the Mexican government. He has said that he's not anti-Mexican. He's anti-illegal immigration. In fact, he supports amnesty.
>openly supporting any presidential candidate or discussing politics
LOL WHAT A RETARD
>>17150377
#feelthebern
>>17150378
>implying Hillary won't win a second term
>>17150392
No candidate is perfect, not even whoever it is you're supporting.
Facebook has ruined all traditional social standards.
We used to keep our politics to ourselves, private relationships with god, noone knew how much money we made, and we also didn't know what you and your girlfriend had for dinner.
Now we have #feelthebern with a million and two shares, you have to like a post for jesus, or if you ignore it you go to hell, everyone posts pictures with their rent money from their check and claims to be ballin', and if you don't like and share that pic of you and your girlfriend together, it's bad news bears anyway you slice it.
>>17150359
Heil Trump. He will make 'murrica great again.
>>17150429
"They" cannot refer to the mexican government. The mexican government does not send illegal immigrants. The individual members of a population can choose to become illegal immigrants. Trump is clearly saying that such people are bringing drugs/crime/rape. This is not inherently wrong. Illegal immigrants can be criminals. Bad people can do bad things. The problem is that Trump said [nation name] does [bad things] instead of [individual bad people] do [bad things]. I am also against illegal immigration but I would not formulate such a statement because it is clumsy and racist.
>>17150450
This.
Pretty sad man.
Fuck them if they have a huge problem with you supporting the God Emperor.
>>17150450
>We used to keep our politics to ourselves, private relationships with god, noone knew how much money we made, and we also didn't know what you and your girlfriend had for dinner.
Maybe if you look at history through rose-tinted glasses. We used to look deeply into other people's business all the time. We tortured and massacred each other over perceived differences in politics. Communication technology is allowing us to recognize the symptoms of mass hysteria and witch-hunting before they become full-blown social disasters. People being allowed to blow steam on facebook drama is the evolution step above mob justice. It looks bad when you look at it individually but it's a step in the right direction. We live in the most peaceful era of human history and the spread of mass communication technology is definitely a key part.
>>17150599
There is nothing in his policies that indicate he is racist. Trump obviously believes the Mexican government is offloading its bad people onto the US, which he plans to stop with a wall. For non-criminal illegal immigrants (i.e. not violent or felonious in any way besides, you know, being illegally in the US), he supports amnesty. For ease of expression, he decided to refer to illegal immigrants and violent criminals in the same sentence, but he obviously recognizes the difference. It's the same with his proposed halt on Muslim immigration.
>>17150630
I don't post about it on Facebook and I certainly don't get into debates on Facebook. This was a private discussion with close friends.
>>17150706
Yeah but fb set the precedent for all this. Everyone has to be open about everything they do.
>>17150437
>No candidate is perfect, not even whoever it is you're supporting.
Not supporting any of them. This is partly due to theology, but frankly I couldn't in good conscience support any of them anyway. Bernie's too misguided, Hillary has some of that too but also less than no basis for trust, and fucking Trump. The other candidates this cycle weren't any better either.
The last few cycles, it's been getting tougher and tougher to stay out, not so much because I supported one candidate as that I felt another one needed to be stopped. This time there's not a damn thing I could do to prevent catastrophe, and to be honest, I kind of appreciate the break.
>>17150599
>The mexican government does not send illegal immigrants
Yes they do. And at the very least encourages it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/06/world/americas/a-mexican-manual-for-illegal-migrants-upsets-some-in-us.html?_r=0
>>17150714
I wasn't being open for the sake of being open. I felt that getting into a healthy debate was a great opportunity to articulate my views, and be forced to think critically about them when challenged.
>>17150724
This is a trap. The only way, aside from actual organizations made for debates, to articulate your views is to read and educate yourself on the actual implications of your views (economics, history, etc.).
>>17150668
>Maybe if you look at history through rose-tinted glasses.
That only holds for the general sense, if it even holds there. I'm not sure it does.
>We used to look deeply into other people's business all the time.
But there were practical limits on how deeply one could look.
>We tortured and massacred each other over perceived differences in politics.
A practice that had more or less died out, and stayed dead for several generations.
>We live in the most peaceful era of human history
No, we don't. The 20th Century was the bloodiest in recorded human history, and although we've been on a slow positive trend since then, the key word is "slow". We have not come all that far.
>>17150706
>Trump obviously believes the Mexican government is offloading its bad people onto the US
Then Trump is obviously wrong and making a harmful generalization. This much is clear. I am not from the United States but let's imagine that my neighbor came from the US and was a rapist. Would it be fair if I started saying "the US are sending rapists to my country". No, of course not. It would raise all kind of unfortunate questions. Are the US exporting rape as an official policy? Is everybody from the US automatically a rapist? It's not a reasonable statement to make. It obviously reeks of me having a personal bias toward the US and looking for a reason to offload that bias. It's definitely not something I should broadcast to millions of people.
>For ease of expression, he decided to refer to illegal immigrants and violent criminals in the same sentence
That is not ease of expression. That's just plain being wrong and harmful.
>>17150722
This is a link about an information pamphlet. It is not evidence that the mexican governemnt is literally kidnapping criminals and forcefully shipping them illegally to the United States, which is the only exact behavior that would justify the specific wording that Trump used.
>>17150777
Anybody who enters the US illegally is a criminal.
>>17150359
Just show them this. If they are sensible people they will still be your friend. You don't need to lie.
>>17150748
>But there were practical limits on how deeply one could look.
What practical limit? The concept of privacy and innocence-before-guilty are relatively modern. In the past anybody that displaced the least farcical amount of legal authority could literally barge into your home, torture you and murder you. This is what living in the past was like pretty much across the world. Your concerns about facebook drama are trivial compared to the harsh reality.
>The 20th Century was the bloodiest in recorded human history
What does that have to do with current era? I said current era, not previous century. I said it and I'll say it again. Humans have never been more peaceful than today, ever, at all, in all of mankind's history. It cannot be argued. Just google it. I'll wait.
>>17150359
>Is there any way I can convincingly disavow him while still secretly supporting him? Or extricating myself from this social conundrum I've created?
no
"Supported trump" haha
>>17150796
anybody who litters is a criminal
>i love hispanics
what kind of guy says something like that
You really would disavow Trump because some of your friend have a problem with that? Do you have absolutely no honour and self respect?
>>17150835
this xD
#feelthebern
Trump says some silly things but he'll make a much better president than Hilary. Holy fuck she cant be put in power
Im eagerly anticipating Trump doing a pretty decent job in his term and the hate bandwagon jumping on the "TRUMP IS HITLER" meme to eat their own words
Teach them to believe every little bit of dribble they get fed through their social media drip feeds without actually doing research
>>17151040
>Literally supporting socialism
All I can think of when I see Bernie supports are those vegans that try to convert everyone and convince everyone that meat is murder
What fantasy land do you live in. I wish to visit
>>17150846
>Who says something like that
Normal people?
I defy you to find me someone that hasnt said "Im not racist but asian/black/hispanic people etc..."
Everyones a little bit racist
>>17150846
Retarded false equivalency. Littering does not take the same toll on the nation as millions of illegal immigrants taking benefit of government-funded program, and not to mention actual violent illegals who came here to escape prosecution in their home country.
>>17151021
Publicly disavow, privately support.
>>17151074
Judas you double crossing backstabbing jew
>>17151104
I'm sure Trump is still glad he has the KKK vote even though he's disavowed.
>>17151118
Hey even a racist clock is right twice a day
>>17150372
Nobody with a brain actually believes he is a racist.
But if you honestly believe that he isn't empowering them, you'll have a rough wake up call, should he ever become president.
>>17150359
Most of the country voted for Nixon.
Those who call trump Hitler should take a really good look at Hillary. Really dig in and look. Trump isn't half bad as she is. The woman terrifies the hell out of me.
>>17151620
Post links
I want to know
Just support him but admit sometimes you want to slap him in the face.
