Hey guys. In getting really tired of my Trump supporting friends calling me retarded for my Libratarian ideology just becouse in the odd one out. How can I get better at debate? How can I utterly decimate them in debate? It sounds petty but it really does stress me out desu the fact that they call me "retarded" and "fucking aut" for a simple ideoligical stand point
if you can't defend your political ideology from attack then maybe you should reconsider your political beliefs
what's been a stumbling block?
Well you're on /adv/ so.
My advice is not to debate politics with friends if you want to have friends.
>>17124599
I'm not the one who brings it up its always them
>>17124598
The thing is I'm new on Liberatarianism but everything they say is just pro-Trump banter and they just hit the one or 2 things I don't have an answer too although I am looking in on it.
First get better at grammar and spelling if you want people to take you seriously in a debate.
If you call them retarded just tell them to fuck off, they are your beliefs.
I'm no libertarian nor can I back libertarian beliefs but here's some anti-trump debate material.
1. He's a demagogue. That is, he plays on the anger, fear and prejudice of the people to gain support. This is the same tactic used by hitler and mccarthy.
2. Bring up all the lies and flip flops he has done. Just point them out and see how your friends try to justify them and do mental gymnastics to say they totally weren't lies or flip flops or how he's allowed to because he's trump or something
3. He knows very little about being a politician, and that is a bad thing. How can we expect this man to be commander in chief?
4. He claims to be christian and yet understands very little about the faith. He claims to never ask for forgiveness because he never makes mistakes...
5. He is a narcissist that grossly overestimates his net worth
>>17124599
Also, this. All things aside, just tell them to fuck off and stop being dicks. Friends and politics often do not mix. Don't take this advice if you wish to keep them close >>17124612
>>17124612
If they call you*
>>17124612
Thanks so much man but honestly I don't care about disloyal friends so I'm just gonna be more abrasive and learn to debate. I don't need those assholes.
>>17124611
alright anon, lets have a little debate to help give you a bit of experience
explain to me why you are against universal healthcare when under the current system over 70% of all personal bankruptcies are related to unexpected medical bills? Clearly the free market is not working and its an area where government should step in so everyone can share a slight burden instead of giving such a huge burden to individuals that they get crushed by it.
>>17124636
Also, this.
I'm not even that liberal (and not at all compared to modern liberals) and I back this
>>17124636
Hey man I just wanna say thanks so much for considering helping me with my petty problem but I'm about to sleep rn I have school tommarow but I would love to do a debate to gain xp so could you add me on kik? .4242564. Thanks so much all of you for even taking the time out to read this I know it's lame I know it's petty but it's kinda hurts when they call me autistic then turn around and choose the most autistic candidate
>>17124656
idk what kik is, I mainly just chat with people on steam
If you were libertarian you would support trump over Hillary or Bernie. Just a friendly libertarian syrup niggers perspective
>>17124636
Not a great deal of people oppose universal health care, but even as someone who supports it, Obama care is nothing but cancer. I know you didn't directly defend Obama care but many liberals would likely in a debate.
>>17124690
35 million more people have healthcare insurance than before the ACA, explain to me how that is "nothing but cancer"
>>17124694
It is easy to get lost in certain numbers while forgetting to mention others. First, due to "health care rationioning" millions of elders get denied, as the programs weight cannot support everyone.
This system was meant to bridge the wealth classes of America so that anyone could benefit, but the middle class has shrunk more intensely under Obama than anyone else. Also, don't fail to observe the cataclysmic debt he managed to swallow everyone in. The combined national debt is higher than all previous presidents COMBINED.
>>17124730
don't try to deflect away from the issue, explain to me how more people getting health coverage is bad.
>>17124748
There is no deflection. More people have health coverage (true), and the economy is DIRECTLY hitting the shitter as a result, with a shrinking middle class.
You also possibly mistake me. As I've mentioned, I'm a proponent of universal health care. I want it done right.
>>17124768
I think I agree a lot with you but also believe the act has done a lot of good, and it had been changed a lot by republicans who repeatedly blocked and altered it
>>17124592
Get better friends.
>>17124782
Yeah it seems you and I are on the same page. I know Canada is now a meme politically, but our health-care system here is hard to complain about, as it seems to satisfy both sides with the 2 part system. Essential needs for the poor, with private doctors and insurance for the wealth.
The Republican fear mongering of health care is absolutely irrational. There is a fine line between government over extension, and not having to pay 8000$ on your son who broke his leg in hockey practice.
>>17124810
the one that really gets to me is when people say "america has 300 million people, its too big for universal healthcare to work, the other countries that have it are so much smaller" as if that should matter at all when its funded by a payroll tax.
>>17124748
Different anon, but just wanted to say that me and almost everybody I know is now getting fined because they still can't afford obamacare, but now it's mandatory. So.... yeah. It's pretty fucking gay, just saying.
>>17124612
>1. He's a demagogue.
Wrong, that's basically just like liberals calling someone you don't like Hitler. The only fear, anger, and prejudice is coming from the left who project these attributes into their arguments, and this is what the left instills on their base via the liberal media.
There have been countless articles and studies done on who Trump's supporters really are, and they share three things: authoritarian ideology, frustration at GOP establishment that has let them down, and wanting a better economy and more jobs.
>2. Bring up all the lies and flip flops he has done.
He lies and flip flops no less than any other politician. While I don't need to go onto Hillary's notable lies and flip flops, Bernie has flip flopped and lied numerous times, such on his gun control stances, and his support for war. He didn't support the Iraq war, he voted in favor of authorizing funds for that war and the one in Afghanistan and also did support NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999.
>3. He knows very little about being a politician, and that is a bad thing.
We've elected worse, Obama was a first term senator and look how that went. The fact he is not a politician makes him appealing, people want a true outsider.
>4. He claims to be christian and yet understands very little about the faith.
He could care less about religion, and most of his non-evangelical supporter do as well. His brand of conservatism is akin to the Eisenhower era, which was much more moderate.
>5. He is a narcissist that grossly overestimates his net worth.
He's bombastic, crude, and a straight shooter, the dude was born in Queen's, New York, what do you expect? If someone hits him, he hits back ten fold. Everyone that has worked for or with him has said the opposite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YSo9EQa59c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxaKUo5naoY
http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/17/attorney-trump-companies-employ-more-female-execs-than-male-video/
>>17124592
Do a little research. Discover, for example, that Trump got his start when his rich property-developer father gave him a New York hotel to run, which he quickly drove into bankruptcy. Count the number of Trump projects (buildings, casinos, resorts) that have gone bankrupt. Document that he never has any of his own money in these (He gets a share for lending his name) so he loses other people's money without any risk to him.
All this is in the public record and easy to document.
Are those guys your friends if they dont respect your beliefs?
If they respect you, they respect your beliefs.
They might argue with you about it. But calling you retarded isnt respectful.
I like argue and i do it alot with friends.
>>17124599
This is the right advice. I don't know why you would want to debate politics with your friends unless you didn't actually like them that much.
>>17124810
I have heard waiting for surgery in canada can be long. Is there truth to this?
>>17125144
a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument. Demagogue
Tell me how he isn't a demagogue again? People are frustrated, fed up, and he uses it to gain support.
Other politicians have flip flopped over the course of their whole political careers, trump is doing it way more probably because he is inexperienced and ignorant of how the system functions. He lacks experience, therefore he is ignorant, therefore he flip flops because he doesn't have any idea what would be the best course of action nor can he make up his mind about it.
How exactly did obama go horribly? I feel like it's just a meme to hate on obama but why? Where'd the basis for this dislike? Please tell me, I see none. He did many good things in his presidency, worked rationally with his opposition even and tried to foster unity and aimed at fixing our horrific healthcare system. Obamacare was altered repeatedly by republicans who blocked the shit out of it
The other two points can hardly be addressed if you don't find those things troubling
>>17124654
We aren't surprised you need big brother holding your hand.
>>17124826
You're 26 and you don't have a job?
>>17126019
You really think 70% of personal bankruptcies being due to unexpected medical bills is a good thing? Literally every other first world nation has universal healthcare, and guess what they all pay far less for it than we do. I'm already paying $150+ a month for my insurance and it has copays out the ass if I ever do have an emergency. Why is this better than a payroll tax with no copay?
>>17126044
>>17126019
>>17126052
>freedom
You're more free if you have to pay ridiculous medical bills?
>>17124636
>free market
>US Health System
>>17125966
By that logic the biggest demagogues are the democrats and liberals. You have both Bernie and Hillary as well as Democrat leaders constantly telling their supporters: "Look at Trump! He's literally Hitler he's racist sexist xenophobic etc. Vote for us because he'll start WW3!!"
Everyone who is anti-Trump is afraid of him because of what their liberal leaders tell them, all on a false basis of course but the liberals are literally operating out of fear. Don't forget, Bernie's supporters are frustrated and fed up too, only that their anger translates into physical violence. You don't see Trump supporters stomping on police cars and blocking highwayss.
Obama was good for the first two years then be became a disaster. He is just another globalist pushers like those before him. He signed the TPP, raised the debt to 19 trillion, murdered thousands of Muslims in the middle east with his foreign policy actions, led to th creation of ISIS when he pulled out of Iraq, and has failed to even call out radical islamic terrorism.
Look at Syria, look at Iraq, look at Lybia. All of which Hillary was the secretary of state to. Obama finished what Bush started.
>>17126205
Thoughts on what trump said about Hispanics? (I am a legal Hispanic citizen)
>>17126274
What about them? He doesn't care for illegal hispanics. Why should anybody want illegals in their country?
>>17126281
But to the extent of building a literal wall across an entire border? He certainly feels something about them
>>17126107
Where's your calvin and hobbes?
