How do you find the motivation to do or work towards anything meaningful with your life when the whole system is on the cusp collapsing and we're all going to go back to the stone-age anyway?
something to pass the time tbqh
>>17107038
fair enough
Im here now. might as well waste resources while I can...
but in all actuality-it's the little things-my cat, good music, quality gel pens I can draw cool shit with-that make life worth living
Don't post that picture man come on
>>17107054
Don't post that one.
I'm not saying i'm entitled to anything at all
>>17107075
That is irrelevent, I just post calvin and hobbes strips for the practical wisdom in it to help anyone who sees it.
The point is, it is messed up to assist anyone's suicide in any way
>>17107087
>The point is, it is messed up to assist anyone's suicide in any way
This is debatable.
>>17107091
Do you not see how in this instance what you are doing is wrong?
>>17107104
What the fuck is with this influx of moralfags?
>>17107115
This is /adv/ not /b/ or /pol/. People come here to help people, not ask cynical questions and be a detriment to people actually getting help
>>17106929
Found out I might be losing my house, my girlfriend wants "space" and I have lost a metric ton of hours at my job all within 2 days. So should I do this or kill the 4-5 people I've hated for the past few years and then kill myself? Because I really think I'm done with life.
>>17106929
>the whole system is on the cusp collapsing and we're all going to go back to the stone-age anyway?
Not stone age, I think, or at least not for very long. Too many people know the basics of modern technology. It'll be a major hit, don't get me wrong, but we're talking mid-1800s, worst-case, with significant anachronisms. That sucks, but it's survivable.
That said, why motivate yourawlf to do anything? Because those of us who live to witness collapse are in a unique position to pick up the pieces. Not only is it the right thing to do, it has many benefits for those who do it. Ever dream of founding your own society: to correct the cultural errors of the past, be they distant or recent? The chance is coming. But you must be around to take it, and you must have the knowledge tp rebuild.
>>17106929
TIME FOR SOME BASIC COGNITIVE BEHAVIORAL THERAPY FRIENDOS
So what evidence do you have that the world is on the cusp of collapse?
What would happen if it did?
I would follow up but I'm tired.
Look up Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and do that shit once a day for a few weeks and you'll stop thinking like this, OP.
>>17107843
>So what evidence do you have that the world is on the cusp of collapse?
Impressionable kids need to stay out of 'happening' threads.
>>17107616
Murder suicide is not the answer. 1. Think about your family and how they would feel if you did this, then 2. think about family's of the victims.
Have some empathy and be the good person in this and let it all go. Hating someone is like taking poison and expecting the other person to die. Move on. What you have to do is just keep on moving forward, no matter what. That's all you can do
Anyway, any mods to shut this thread down? This isn't actually /adv/ related
>>17107616
I hope I don't end up following you.
I've thought about doing the same thing, for similar reasons.
Taking a step back, and looking at everything like its one massive trainwreck movie gives me comfort.
>>17108292
Every now and then I even get stuff in my email about made up news articles about how trump has been assassinated or how he dropped out or it's all coming to an end.
Borderline brainwashing or just extreme sensationalism?
>>17107130
I like how you listed everything but /r9k/.
Clearly, you sir, do not appreciating being a classy detriment to society.
>>17106929
The whole system has been on the edge of collapsing since the Roman Empire, but somehow it never manages to. Life has a very curious way of going on, and it's a good idea to go on with it.
>>17108330
I've never visited /r9k/
>>17108323
I don't need Sesame Street to save me.
>>17106929
The whole system has been on th cusp of collapse, but we're talking on a grand time scale. Something insignificant to the individual.
Anyways I like having fun, havung fun costs money, so I work.
>>17108336
But practical wisdom accumulated over the millenia of human development is available to you. You refuse to listen?
>>17108335
Oh. So you were part of this wave of newfagging teenagers.
[spoiler]I'm jealous of you.[/spoiler]
>>17108346
I was a part of the wave of newfagging teenagers like 4 years ago. Now I'm a matured newfag
>>17108345
Yes, because you're fucking boring and missing the point.
>>17108353
What is the point?
>>17107130
Safe space familia
>>17108359
This is /adv/. I'm not on board of the whole safe space thing but assisting someone's suicide is fucked up and it doesn't take a redditor to see that. Do you understand?
>>17108379
You know most suicide threads on here are by edgy 17-21 year olds who are only depressed because tfw no gf.
Also, the reason I'm calling you out on bullshit is because that image has been a staple here for years
>>17108387
And that is fucked up. This cesspool of a site needs more humanity
>>17108391
Senpai, are you telling me we're not people doing depraved things because we're not people?
What is this.
>>17108391
You know the real reason they require 18yo only is because adults aren't as easily influenced (usually) by shit on the internet thst they know is shit. Ultimately, words don't kill people. They can influence people, especially the naive i.e. children, but for adults it's a lot more black and white. For the sake of the argument I'm talking about online exchanges.
Most of us come hwre because it's a break from the restraints everywhere else on the internet, which is highly liberal. That's fine for some people, but being anonymous is fun and more relaxed.
Most people on /adv/ (save /r9k/ breachers) will call you out on being a bitch or whatever but still are pretty chill. This isn't /v/ where it's babby's first board so everyone's posting shit like "you're nigger loving faggot XD reddit is so gay XD"
Basically, you're a fag and we like are shit the way it is.
How do you find motivation? Hmm, tough one. You don't have to find motivation. You can question the assumption that you have to do or have anything. You can challenge the notion that you are deserving of purpose if it tickles you.
Shit is fairly absurd anyway. The world doesn't have problems. People have problems. The problems of people tend to last about 50 years tops. This is nothing yet it is everything all at once. It is all perspective, it is incredibly narrow and restrictive and that is all you have.
It drives me absolutely nuts that within the concerns of people exists everything which is of meaning and purposeful to people and people are not the be all and end all of existence, but from a certain perspective which I possess they might as well be.
I think it is just a giant metaphor for coming to terms with mortality which is basically what your entire life is going to be. It is actually quite freeing at times, but again this depends on perspective.
Basically in order to get anything done at all you the notion of individual empowerment and self actualisation through a concrete identity with agency must be sold to us and accepted without question. As soon as the question arises, you move into an intellectualised realm separate from experience where the simple absurdity of it all becomes overwhelming.
This is kind of terrifying for me, because even that is up for debate. Why do I need to be anything? What drives my desires? Is this free will?
>>17108400
Not really what I meant, I meant humanity as in what sets us apart from animals, and in particular morality and empathy
is this method really painless?
>>17108420
That is relative, incredibly loaded, and you know that.
>>17108420
I don't know if our humanity sets us aside from animals or if it is just a blanket term for human behaviour which we believe to be positive or virtuous. You might as well say doganity is what sets the behaviour of dogs aside from other animals.
Morality is basically circumspect. Empathy isn't unique to humans, though maybe our particular system of valuing it and assessing its expression is unique to humans?
>>17108421
I hope so.
>>17108418
If you come here for a break from the rest of the internet why not go to /pol/ to get away from the liberals? This board is about advice, it is a board built around the idea of helping others and getting help. Helping bring the death and ruin of others is not helpful, and unless you have genuine advice you should probably stick to other boards
Of course this is my opinion, do what you like. But I implore you to not contribute to the demise of others and be a stumbling block for others or even society itself.
It seems a good deal of people come to rant about how much they hate modern society and to indulge in their fetishes. This is what makes this site the cesspool of the cesspool that is the internet. It would be better if the people here were regularly conservative, not liberal hating extremists
>>17108433
>>17108436
How about morality then. Just replace humanity with morality/decency...
Can you explain how it is loaded?
>>17108445
/pol/ is a containment board and I'll go on there for a good kick now and then.
I like /adv/. People tend to respond positively to my advice, but the beauty is no one will ever know it's the same person.
Again, if words hurt you so much you should get off the internet because you're so fragile you might actually believe some of the things you see.
I'm just and average person who's politically centered, looks forward to buying a house and raising kids, and loves coming home and relaxing. If you can't handle someone telling you to huff paint then you need to leave.
>>17108452
I don't know what you mean about loaded or what another anon means about loaded.
But for me morality is contentious because you basically say "here I draw a line and make a judgement based on my values and on one side is what it means to be moral and on the other side is what it means to be immoral."
Like that doesn't really need to be said ever. You might as well skip straight to explaining your opinion on a position without resorting to labelling something with what is an assumption based on supposedly mutual values which is kind of flawed and invites a contrarian stance because in the declaration itself you expose that values are subjective and undefined.
Like is it moral to eat meat? Depends on your position. Your position and the reasons behind your opinion can be explained and expressed and people can learn from others, but not really if you just say "I think it is immoral" and then leave your judgement hanging.
I mean, fuck it. Define moral except as "agrees with me"?
>>17108459
If you come to /adv/ as someone suicidally depressed looking for genuine advice and get tips on how to kill yourself, it's your fault?
well maybe it is a little. I suppose decent people should just stay away. I guess that's why they're all on reddit.
I'm here for the anonymity mostly, and because it is easier and free of bullshit like or upvote systems.
Still, decent people DO come here and it is wrong in instances like this to help people kill themselves.
>>17108465
Do you know the difference between prosocial and antisocial behavior?
>>17108391
Faggot
>>17108480
>>17108465
Also I suggest you look into virtue ethics. Of course all morality is subjective, but that does not discredit traditional virtue. Seeing that it is all subjective takes knowledge but seeing the value of virtue as laid out in proverb takes wisdom
>>17108480
So going out on a limb here, are you saying moral actions are prosocial?
How does morality work if you are engaged in prosocial behaviour within an otherwise immoral or society or culture?
Cultural mores might actually be subjectively immoral depending on your position no?
>>17108501
Oh I'm down with ethics. Moral behaviour and ethical behaviour are different for me because I find moralising to be innately weighted with subjective judgement and thus relying on appeal to a supposed authority of some description where as ethical behaviour it based upon behaving within the boundaries of the conventions you wish to be afforded to yourself and thus weighed with an innate ideal of gifting concession to others.
>>17108476
The "decent people" are the ones telling you to kill yourself.
Look at all the suicide threads. Most are either tfw no gf or wah I need attention.
Jesus Christ you must be an actual autist. Want to know the difty little secret? We're just having fun.
And here you come on your high horse to tell the peasants to get there act together. Maybe you really should take a trip to the Golden Gate and/or borrow uncle Bob's shotgun
>>17108505
Prosocial behavior tends to be moral. These are things such as giving to the needy, helping others in need, being kind and courteous, forgiving others, and bringing happiness. I don't see how doing these in an immoral society changes them whatsoever.
On the other hand, antisocial behavior would be stealing, raping, killing, helping people kill themselves, insulting and bringing pain into/removing happiness from the world.
Mores have nothing to do with prosocial/antisocial behavior. They are the same in any culture.
>>17108517
Ethics can also be weighted with subjective judgement. I believe virtue laid out by plato, aristotle and jesus to be the greatest model for society ethically
>>17108532
And you are a stumbling block to society. Why not go to /b/ and be edgy somewhere you'd be accepted for it?
>>17108545
>wah someones being mean so they must be an edgy fedora lord
>>17108633
>posting smug weeb girls
>not an edge lord
Not the guy you were talking to, but after reading your posts and seeing you 2 go back and forth, yeah.. You seem to be a bit on the edge.
>>17108655
I live life on the edge.
This thread took a left turn
>>17108476
>all the decent people are on reddit
>I came to 4chan of all places on the internet for my depression needs
>surprised when people tell me to kill my self
Wow 4chan has sure changed.
>>17108545
Here's a hint, you're not on tumblr you faggot. Why would you come to 4chan for nicities? I think you're the one who should leave. gb2reddit
>>17107616
Dude not to be a dick, but I vote murder suicide.
How do you fellow anons with depression keep going?
Nothing is working to alleviate this feeling of emptiness inside - I feel as though all of the portions of my brain responsible for satisfaction simply do not work.
Managed to get myself a good education - nothing.
Have money to where I'm not poor but not rich either - nothing.
Actually got about two legitimate friends - still nothing.
Have been eating healthier with small amounts of exercise - nothing.
Loved by my parents and generally seen as a likeable person by those I encounter, even to the point where I receive positive feedback - nothing.
Seriously thinking about ending it all - nothing seems to work but at the same time I don't want to put my parents through the mental trauma of finding my lifeless body.
I don't want to go to a psychiatrist since they would probably pump me full of meds with horrible side effects and place me in a psych ward.
>>17108633
Strawman for 1000 alex. It isn't because you're being mean, but because you are 2 edgy
>>17106929
because i wanna do that
at some point my mind tells me, hey you can do this or try that and then i do
i love playing with new stuff
>>17108740
This
>>17108740
This isn't about myself, this is about others
>>17108744
Why do you have to browse a shitty site to find decent human beings? Why can't you guys realize that you can be moral without being a tumblr queen or redditor?
This is /adv/, you're the one misplaced on the board. I'm here to help people anonymously without upvoting or likes, and to clean up the garbage on this place. Helping others also helps me understand things for myself. If you would kindly go to another board for your shitposting purposes, you'd do us all a favor.
>>17108780
or not
>>17108783
I used to be suicidally depressed. I'll tell you what I did, although you probably should have made another thread for this.
Basically, I got locked in a psych ward for stuff and it didn't help me all too much. I fell back to the same place I was before and really considering suicide again when I stopped going to classes. Well, during a drug binge I came to terms with God after being an atheist for years and a few months later here I am. I am happy, confident, and going about life with a positive outlook.
A big part of what helped me was helping others and seeing all the great things in my life rather than the shitty things. It has been proven that helping others can alleviate anxiety and make you feel better about yourself.
This comes after years and years of cycles of depression. This is my anecdotal experience, make what you will out of it.
Often though I still get that bored and empty feeling, though nowhere like I used to. So I step back to think and observe nature and see all the good things I have going compared to everyone who has ever lived. Keep up healthy eating and exercise too.
Also, I go without the meds. I cannot stand them.
>>17106929
>How do you find the motivation to do or work towards anything meaningful with your life when the whole system is on the cusp collapsing and we're all going to go back to the stone-age anyway?
Honestly I don't even fucking know and I've been sitting around in my room jerking off and doing drugs for two weeks because I can't answer this question in my own life.
/Rant on. So we go through life being told to work hard at "lessons" that are supposed to educate and prepare us. But the truth is that at least half of K-12 is a waste of time in the "real world." So we get to college having read Shakespeare but without knowing what the job market is like or what kinds of "real world" careers are out there. Then we go to college, but the majority of colleges are on this "liberal arts" with prerequisites bullshit, so it's like a second high school.
We spend our lives working our asses off and end up with a piece of paper and the harsh realities of the Recession and global meltdown.
I feel really lied to, but I can't do jack shit about it besides retrain myself to do something useful and get to work. And oh by the way, I'm starting out with depressed wages (recession) AND crippling student debt. So now I've been working my ass off K-College just to now have to take a job doing something I don't enjoy and then work really fucking hard to pay for shit I didn't vote for.
I'm going to be fine because I've fucking survived this far while being called entitled and lazy by my parent's generation and milked by every special interest group out there from paying for feminazi's birth control to my grandparent's social security that I'll never see. So I'm going to work my ass off, do what I have to, take what I want, and then god help the truly lazy and entitled little faggots in this country because there will be no mercy.
Work hard or don't eat, our choice.
>>17108846
>psych ward
>redditor
>doesn't take his meds
It all makes sense now.
>>17109244
I'm not a redditor, and taking my meds is irrelevant. I'm not insane, but I have gone through periods of deep suicidal depression
>>17109362
>I ain't cray cray
>but i ain't gucci in the head
I've got some bad news anon...
How do these people come up with the dates for these crisis?
I'll admit that i know next to nothing about economics but this GLOBAL FINANCIAL MELTDOWN, 28TH OF MAY, 2016, BUY MY BOOK seems kind of suspect.
>>17106929
>>17106929
Is this picture relevant still? Looking at doing this when I move into my new place, low on cash right now but by then I'll be getting some back pay. Going to save and hopefully it'll be useful soon.
>>17106929
>when the whole system is on the cusp collapsing and we're all going to go back to the stone-age anyway?
By becoming an optimist first, not a pessimist.
>>17111141
>By becoming delusional
>>17110436
Some basic probability skills and a need for attention I believe is how they usually do it.
Only thing that keeps me going is working to survive. If I don't work, I don't live. I don't have much else in my life outside of work.
But I'm hanging by a thread. If I lose my job, I don't know what I'd do.
>>17111149
Suit yourself, you got the answer.
>>17107048
>quality gel pens
Such a thing exists? I've always thought of them as shit that kids draw with while stuff like copic markers are where its at if you want to make something look good.
