I really upset my gf last night.
Basically we were having sex but I never made her wet enough and I stuck it in. She said it hurt but I just kinda got caught up and carried on until I came. Immediately after she stopped talking to me and ignored me for the past day. I've tried really hard to apologise but it feels like my words don't get through, and if I hug or kiss her she starts crying.
Just before she sent me a text saying that for the first time in her life she felt like an object to be used. And ever since her body is just repelling me.
/adv/ what do I do?
Dude...you raped her. You're literally a rapist...
>>17100482
RAPE
A
P
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seriously though man, she is probably going to have trouble trusting you after this
Don't end your relationship on bad terms with her...EVER. She will go back to this moment and try to legally ruin your life as revenge
>>17100482
>Didn't get her we enough
>Stuck it in and kept going
Last time I did this, I pulled the fuck out immediately and did some more foreplay. What is wrong with you
Dude you literally did not turn her on. You just used her as a piece of flesh to masturbate with. You should've pulled out and eaten her out or made out some more. By continuing you raped her, it hurt her and now she is repulsed by what you did. I can't really give you advice because I've never raped anyone so all I can suggest is apologizing for what you did and pray she doesn't file a report against you.
>>17100482
Jesus what is wrong with you
>>17100482
>Basically we were having sex but I never made her wet enough and I stuck it in
Bad mistake friend, last time I had sex with a chick who didn't want to have sex with me I still made sure she's wet first. You are an amateur.
>>17100482
>all the sex experts on 4chins come out and shit on this guy
You fugged up buddy, just talk to her and tell her that you are sorry and you got carried away by the moment
Dont try to minimize the situation and accept you fucked up, admit it and understand that she might not want to be with you anymore
You are probably new to this so its normal to fuck things up like that just be patient next time
>>17100725
>It's normal to rape your gf sometimes
wut.
>>17100730
Yes, people make mistakes. It's a communication problem. Happens to the best of us.
>>17100740
How do you keep fucking a girl until you cum even though it's clear she doesn't want it?
Do you cum in two pumps or something?
>>17100482
Here's how to resolve your problem.
Tell her to peg you without lube. Tell her you want to feel what she went through. That trust can be rebuilt.
Good luck.
>>17100482
>She said it hurt but
You didn't listen.
>I just kinda got caught up
Bullshit.
>and carried on until I came
In other words, you raped her.
>/adv/ what do I do?
Offer to turn yourself in.
>>17100482
don't be a beta bitch and just shrug it off. if she gets pissed that you're not begging for forgiveness, bend her over and do it again.
>but anon, girls don't like that!
>that's rape!
yeah, if he was a random dude off the street. but they live together, they're in a relationship, and quite frankly, from the way he describes the situation, they have vanilla boring lame "make love" sex for the most part. switch it up, she'll dig the "assertiveness"
>but the anons are right about getting her wet first, at least lick your hand first or something
>>17100482
holy shit dude that's rape
you can literally go to jail for years for this
>>17100482
> she stopped talking to me and ignored me for the past day
You fucked up dude. It's over.
> /adv/ what do I do?
Change your Facebook status to single and post her nudes on /b/.
So much fucking tumblr in this thread it hurts.
She probably liked it OP, most women enjoy the idea of being raped. She's just to embarrased to admit it is all, that's why she's making such a fuss over it.
>>17100493
>>17100522
>>17100730
>>17100759
>>17100788
All you faggots.
OP did not commit rape in the legal sense. Legal rape is sex without consent. "Ow, that hurts" is not a withdrawal of consent. "Hang on" or "Wait, stop" are.
OP's just a dick.
>>17100879
This is just reverse tumblr.
>She didn't explicitly say have sex with me, therefore there was no consent!
>She didn't explicitly tell me to stop, so that's not a withdrawal of consent!
All you have to do to withdraw consent is to make it clear that you do not want to continue.
>>17100888
>All you have to do to withdraw consent is to make it clear that you do not want to continue.
Exactly.
"That hurts" is literally not in any way communicative that you want the experience to stop. Fucking English, how does it work.
And no, that's not reverse tumblr. Tumblr ignores the fact that there are other modes of communication besides verbal. OP didn't say that his gf tried to push him off, so I don't need to consider that possibility at this point.
>>17100950
>She said it hurt but I just kinda got caught up and carried on until I came
This is what the OP says.
It makes it clear that the girl implied she wanted to stop.
Read between the lines, man.
>>17100966
>the girl implied
Yeah when a man is having his dick inside a warm live vagina you need to be clearer than that to get to him. Like I dont know, use your hand to block his groin while telling him to stop ? porn actresses do this, how hard is it ?
>>17100966
>It makes it clear that the girl implied she wanted to stop.
>Read between the lines, man.
That's not how the law works. She literally did not withdraw consent. Tell someone to "read between the lines" is literally telling them to imagine what they think the other person is thinking, and that is not the equivalent of actual communication. If you tell a jury to "read between the lines" they will come up with 12 different versions of what the girlfriend was saying, because you're telling them to imagine communication that didn't actually take place.
That's the difference between jail time for OP and a simple pissed off girlfriend.
Now, if OP gets questioned by the cops and is dumb enough to say "well, yeah, I knew she wanted me to stop even if she didn't say stop" then his ass is toast.
>>17100966
wanting someone to stop and telling them to stop are not the same thing.
Ever had a girl say "I don't want you to do x, but you can do it anyway?"
If you haven't, just fyi, they say it all the fucking time. It's a girl thing. Consent with accompanying displeasure/disapproval. There's got to be a term for it.
>>17100990
I have to agree with that. Ofc, i'd expect a guy to stop if i tell him he is hurting me. Normally, sex is all about both parts enjoying themselfes. But if i see that he didn't get my message and is still hurting me, i'd start to gradually increase the intensity of how i tell him to stop. Firstly tell him to stop, then push him away, grab his dick and pull it out and so on. OP is an inconsiderate asshole, but he's not a rapist.
>>17100990
>Guys are horny so it's not their fault
What is this shit.
>>17100993
You need to read between the lines all the time when having sex.
Maybe you're just autistic.
Never has a girl told me that i'm hurting her when she wants me to continue.
In no universe does "ow, you're hurting me" mean "keep going"
No mind reading required. It's not that fucking hard.
In fact, when it comes to sex, juries are REQUIRED to read between the lines.
Most sexual communication is non verbal.
Although in this case, it was pretty fucking explicitly verbal.
>>17101008
Read above.
Yes. sometimes it's not clear, but again, saying "this is hurting me" is never an invitation to continue.
Especially if her face expression and body language indicate that she wants you to fucking stop.
Which obviously she did.
>>17101008
It's called "respecting an individuals right to do as they please". I can tell my bf that i don't like his female friend. I can tell him that i will leave if he continues to see her. He knows how i feel about the situation and what actions i'll take if he continues the behaviour that is troubling me. Now the ball is in his court. He can decide to still see said girl, but has to expect it to have consequences.
>>17101033
>Never has a girl told me that i'm hurting her when she wants me to continue.
>In no universe does "ow, you're hurting me" mean "keep going"
Assuming OP had prior consent, he didn't need to be told to "keep going" or that she "wants him to continue."
If she gave him prior consent, she has to withdraw it. Not re-affirming it is not withdrawing consent.
You'd get to the right conclusion very quickly if you just squared away what it literally means to withdraw consent. You seem mixed up on that.
>>17101033
>saying "this is hurting me" is never an invitation to continue.
Not inviting someone to continue is not telling them to stop. Also, you completely made the rest of this up.
>Especially if her face expression and body language indicate that she wants you to fucking stop.
>Which obviously she did.
>>17101034
Oh, I totally get the reason girls do it. It's still an example of how you can have someone's clear consent and clear disapproval at the same time. The post I was responding to implied that a lack of approval was the same as a lack of consent. That's just wrong.
>>17100950
>"That hurts" is literally not in any way communicative that you want the experience to stop.
Of course it is. Wanting pain to stop is arguably the most basic instinct there is. There is no reasonable interpretation that does not include wanting it to stop, unless one makes specific arrangements beforeehand to ignore it.
>Fucking English, how does it work.
Who knows? You don't.
>>17101121
>literally
The meaning of "that hurts" is "(that) is causing me pain."
It doesn't matter how much your dumb ass tries to argue that it has another literal English meaning, that's what it means. Anything beyond that is entirely your personal inference. Go ahead and keep doing it, I ain't gonna stop you. I could argue that she obviously just wanted OP to change positions or slow down, but then I'd be doing what you're doing, which is stupid.
>>17100781
>this
do it now
>>17100765
this
>>17100482
You fucked up, OP.
>>17101138
>The meaning of "that hurts" is "(that) is causing me pain."
>It doesn't matter how much your dumb ass tries to argue that it has another literal English meaning, that's what it means.
Yes, and the literal meaning of pain is "an unwanted sensation". Thus, wanting something to stop is inherently part of the literal meaning of "this hurts". As any reasonable person will tell you. So kindly take your rape-apologist poison somewhere else. It has no place among decent folk.
>>17100493
He didn't rape anyone, he just sucks at sex.
Which is worse than rape.
>>17101348
>He didn't rape anyone, he just sucks at sex.
Worst of both worlds: he raped someone AND he sucks at sex.
90% (if not more) of being good in bed is a simple matter of paying attention. You have to be really freaking negligent to rape someone without knowing it, but it happens from time to time, and this seems to be what OP has done. What makes him liable is the negligence aspect: there is literally no reason for him not to have known. She was clear and unambiguous, and he deliberately ignored her.
>>17101342
>an unwanted sensation
First, bullshit, if you google "pain definitions" you won't find that at all. You're either making that up or cherrypicking.
Next, not wanting the pain to continue is not the same as wanting the action that is causing the pain to stop. For instance, you might be in pain from an injection, but still want the injection to continue. And you can be in pain from sex, but still want the sex to continue.
I know, people who argue logic and shit are rape apologists. Reality is raping you even as we speak with its unwanted facts.
>>17100758
>/tv/ built up this scene with endless DUDE KEK LMAO shitposting
>was expecting some good femdom
>its literally nothing
can we just nuke that board already, its fucking worse than /a/ and /v/ combined
>>17101138
When someone telling you are doing something tht causes them pain YOU FUCKING STOP DOING THAT THING IMMEDIATELY THIS IS STUFF EVEN FREAKING TODDLERS UNDERSTAND. Do you need to get locked up for life? Yeah you do because you're literally a subhuman with a brain inferior to that of toddlers.
>>17101366
>and you can be in pain from sex, but still want the sex to continue.
She didn't want the sex to continue and you and OP are rapists. Hope you both get killed.
>>17101366
>First, bullshit, if you google "pain definitions" you won't find that at all. You're either making that up or cherrypicking.
That's funny, because I just did, the first five hits on Google all included it.
>Next, not wanting the pain to continue is not the same as wanting the action that is causing the pain to stop. For instance, you might be in pain from an injection, but still want the injection to continue. And you can be in pain from sex, but still want the sex to continue.
People expect an injection to hurt. They do not expect sex to hurt (and if they do, they set up proper contracts and safeguards around it). The only reasonable default when it comes to sex is that pain equals stop. Nothing else even makes any sense.
>I know, people who argue logic and shit are rape apologists. Reality is raping you even as we speak with its unwanted facts.
There is nothing of logic or fact in what you are doing. You are deliberately twisting the language to fit your own wicked agenda.
>>17101373
>/tv/ built up this scene with endless DUDE KEK LMAO shitposting
Did they ?
>a/ and /v/
Perhaps you just spent too much time at those places. Each board on 4chan is only entertaining for about 15 mins a day.
>>17101392
>>17101396
>>17101398
meeeeyowww HISS!
I've told you the facts, but I can't convince you, princess. No amount of estrogenic anger will make you right, though :)
Have a nice day, sweetcakes.
>>17101366
Injections are only supposed to be a bearable, light pain you get preemptively warned of and the nurse must still stop if you signal the pain is too much for you. If she doesn't stop, she's a criminal, she's subjecting someone to torture. You CANNOT subject anyone to unwanted pain.
OP is a rapist because he didn't stop when his ex told him he was seriously fucking hurting her, and she wasn't expecting any pain in her sex - they had no such agreement. He deserves to get beaten up and killed.
>>17101409
You said no facts, only a bunch of rapist bullshit. Hope your family gets slaughtered.
your girlfriend is a fucking pussy
tell her to suck it up
Well from the sounds of it it wasn't roleplay with her saying no, which means you fucked up. You want to ever get in her pants again you better treat her like a princess and do whatever the hell she says. Massage her feet while avoiding eye contact and saying sorry, do the dishes/laundry instead of having your obvious slave do it. Mabye if you're lucky she'll forgive you.
>>17100482
You're fucking rapist. You deserve no pussy. Kill yourself.
>>17101411
>if you signal the pain is too much for you. If she doesn't stop, she's a criminal
>if you signal the pain is too much for you
FUCKING KEK!
You mean if you go beyond signalling that you are just in pain, and if you signal that the pain is such that you want her to STOP?
Because pain and wanting her to STOP AREN'T THE SAME FUCKING THING?
You just admitted it they aren't the same. You're so damn hilarious it's unbearable.
It was rape guys
>>17101095
She withdrew her consent when she told him it hurts. When someone tells you you are hurting them and they mean it, your immediate duty is to stop hurting them.
>>17101411
>his ex told him he was seriously fucking hurting her, and she wasn't expecting any pain in her sex
When you have to make up complete bullshit like this it should be a warning to you that your argument is insupportable.
I bet you still say shit like "George Zimmerman stalked, attacked and killed Trayvon Martin"
>>17101436
This. OP is a fucktard rapist.
>>17101429
:Because pain and wanting her to STOP AREN'T THE SAME FUCKING THING?
They are. You can signal both things in the same fucking action, retard. If you stab someone in the guts and they scream in pain and fall over in a fetal position clutching their wound you think theyà re telling you "I'M ENJOYING THIS SO MUCH PLEASE CONTINUE?" You are a retard and you should kill yourself.
>>17100879
My girls tells me to hang on all the time during sex, though?
It's usually right before I'm about to have an orgasm, like I just thought she didn't have manners, I didn't realize I was raping her.
>>17101446
you just really, really suck at arguing.
>>17101438
Sex is by definition a pleasurable act that doesn't and shouldn't any pain, except if the woman is a virgin, and even then the pain of being deflowered should be temporary and bearable. Even "pain" in BDSM isn't real pain but more like a pleasurable tingle mixed with a a little ache. The fact he hurt her is proof he didn't give a shit he was raping her.
>>17101436
>She withdrew her consent when she told him it hurts
I just explained how those two are different. things. Do try to keep up, sweetcheeks.
>>17101455
>can't refute reality
>resorts to ad hominems
You're a sore loser.
>>17101460
>The fact he hurt her is proof he didn't give a shit he was raping her.
sweet lord all of my kek. I have to laugh at people like you that apparently think the law consists entirely of their own foggy notions of right and wrong, and definitions be damned.
>>17101461
It was probably rape, my dude
>>17101466
>>resorts to ad hominems
>You are a retard and you should kill yourself.
>>17101461
They are literally not. You're merely a rapist trying to justify rape. You and OP should both get killed.
Holy fuck, I can't believe people are defending rape in this thread. I mean, sure I'm on 4chan, but this is absolute garbage. Please kill yourselves.
>>17101477
>They are literally not
I've given examples where they clearly are different, you're just choosing to ignore them.
You're being raped by facts. Those nasty facts are sliding inside you, penetrating you, making you feel dirty. Facts are sodomizing you and leaving you crying with fact-jizz dripping from your sore, swollen holes.
I'm a fact-rapist, I admit.
>>17100482
How did you get in without her being wet? Whenever I have realized my girl is not wet my dick won't even go in hardly. So I go back to foreplay.
>>17101486
>I'm a fact-rapist, I admit.
You're mentally retarded and this is going on /cringepics/.
I'm out.
>>17101473
Those are undeniable facts, rapist. You're trying to justify rape.
>>17101448
When I scream at my bf it hurts, he stops immediately. If he didn't stop, I would beat the shit out of him and destroy his life.
>>17101460
>even then the pain of being deflowered should be temporary and bearable.
No, women can't be deflowered because it involves pain, and if we've learned anything from this thread it's that the presence of pain is exactly equivalent to a statement that consent is withdrawn.
You can't have sex with virgins, because you'd be causing them pain and raping them.
Unless you believe that pain and consent are different things, in which case you are a rapist and rapist apologist and should kill yourself.
>>17101493
The only thing that will be destroyed is your mongrel pussy!
>>17101491
Please backlink when it does, I can't wait to see the reaction.
>>17101486
You have given no examples you retard. All your "examples" have been completely destroyed. Even the nurse stops the injection when you tell it hurts, otherwise she's committing a crime. OP is a rapist, plain and simple.
>>17101497
>No, women can't be deflowered because it involves pain, and if we've learned anything from this thread it's that the presence of pain is exactly equivalent to a statement that consent is withdrawn
Well yeah if the pain is too much you should really fucking stop.
>>17101477
Miriam Websters:
>Pain:
the physical feeling caused by disease, injury, or something that hurts the body
: mental or emotional suffering : sadness caused by some emotional or mental problem
: someone or something that causes trouble or makes you feel annoyed or angry
>Consent:
to agree to do or allow something : to give permission for something to happen or be done
Clearly, Miriam Webster's dictionary is lying by defining pain and consent as independent concepts and is nothing but a tool for rape apologists.
Fucking rapist words!
>>17101477
Even if they are rapists, death is an extreme punishment. No one gets the death penalty for rape alone.
>>17101503
>Even the nurse stops the injection when you tell it hurts, otherwise she's committing a crime.
Wrong and wrong.
She stops when you say "stop." she fucking tells you that it's going to hurt, and she does it anyway. If you whine and say it hurts and she continues, you'll be very shocked (I'm sure) to find that she does it anyway, because she has your consent, and she's not breaking any law at all.
You ignoring an example is very different from destroying it. Did you know those words have very different meanings too?
>>17101483
well being 100% honest here that's what 4chan is, it's garbage.
people like to joke and stuff but at its core this is anonymity and some people are so far removed from normal lives that it's reality for them
also you can't be completely sure and say it is rape or it is not rape, we have only the unreliable testimony of one guy. You know this inherently. People may argue both sides but there are strong points in both, most of them guessing at what really happened. And not everybody who is saying it isn't rape is saying that's fine, in fact most of them seem to be saying that it wasn't rape, but real rape is still bad. So you might be characterizing things a bit too much.
>>17101521
It's really just one frantic fat feminist samefagging the shit out of this thread.
>>17101530
I can see that legbeard now. 500 pounds of fat, smegma, sweat, and hair.
>>17101536
Don't forget at least 10 pounds of triggered.
>>17101530
>>17101536
believe it or not people who disagree with you can be totally normal people and still disagree with you
not a single post in this thread comes from a hardcore feminist view, in fact most of them are pretty moderate.
goes both ways too
>>17101513
>Consent is not always expressed verbally. It may be implied from the context and from the relationship of the parties, but the absence of objection does not of itself constitute consent. Lack of consent may result from either forcible compulsion by the perpetrator or an incapacity to consent on the part of the victim (such as persons who are asleep, intoxicated or otherwise mentally compromised).
>It may be implied from the context
Context where one person is telling you they're seriously in pain dictates you stop inflicting pain on them.
>the absence of objection does not of itself constitute consent
The girl not spelling it out loud "STOP YOU ARE HURTING ME" does not mean she was consenting to the act, as it is BASIC COMMON SENSE for everyone that when someone signals they're in pain something is wrong and you should stop whatever you're doing that's causing them pain.
>Lack of consent may result from either forcible compulsion by the perpetrator or an incapacity to consent on the part of the victim
>forcible compulsion by the perpetrator
>She said it hurt but I just kinda got caught up and carried on until I came
>incapacity to consent on the part of the victim
>it hurt so much I couldn't do fucking anything
OP is a rapist.
>>17101540
>taking the obvious bait
>>17101546
None of this is relevant, because no one has suggested that OP derived consent from anything his girlfriend said. I assume he got that earlier on.
he didn't get consent when she said "that hurts", and if she gave it prior she didn't withdraw it by saying that, either.
>>17101516
>She stops when you say "stop."
I've done my blood tests, idiot. Unless they're fucking criminals, they stop when you show them they're fucking hurting you. The good ones even prepare you mentally and distract so that it doesn't hurt at all.
>she fucking tells you that it's going to hurt, and she does it anyway.
That's illegal. It got a nurse arrested over here.
>she's not breaking any law at all
Yes is she is. She cannot subject any patient to any form of torture. Most people have pain threshold where they can easily stand a carefully inserted needle for a minute or they don't feel anything at all, so what she does is considered acceptable and normal, but if she ever meets a patient that shows they are in unbearable pain and she doesn't stop she can be arrested for that. It's already happened.
>>17100482
>>17101572
You're contradicting yourself constantly.
Example:
>prepare you mentally
>Most people have pain threshold
shows that you are well aware that in every injection both the nurse and patient are fully aware that the injection will cause pain, yet the nurse continues anyway because the patient has not signaled she should stop because it is an intolerable level of pain. Pain and consent are different.
>It got a nurse arrested over here.
Surely you have sauce for that and are not completely pulling it out of your ass, right?
>>17100482
Listen man all these people are shitting on you right now. You totally fucked up, but if you really care about your girl and she really cares about you you'll both be able to get through it. You sound like you really regret it, and that's the first step to fixing this. Just tell her the truth man. She doesn't have to talk, just listen. And if the relationship ends, it ends. It'll be a good lesson at the very least.
>>17101568
>None of this is relevant
Except it is.
>I assume he got that earlier on
Doesn't matter. She revoked it when she told him it hurts, implying to stop. He didn't care for this and subjected her to duress, negating her ability to freely consent, therefore he raped her.
>and if she gave it prior she didn't withdraw it by saying that
Except she did.
>>17101572
In some cases m8. If your mom takes you in to get a shot and you scream stop, yeah the nurse has to stop. Although in that situation it's not up to the nurse or child, it's up to the parent. But I digress. In situations like with a broken arm or something more serious like a femur fracture, doctors don't give a shit if you scream stop, because they are going to set that bone so it can heal. I've put a traction splint on a woman with a broken femur and let me tell you, they scream till they physically can't produce sound. But in applying traction they are in far less danger of internal bleeding and possible death.
>>17101593
>she told him it hurts, implying to stop.
She told him it hurts, implying it caused her pain. The action she wanted him to take is unknown - she could have wanted him to stop, slow down, pause temporarily, continue as usual, or change positions, all of which are common responses to pain in sex. The fact that you pretend to know A) what she wanted, and B) that OP should have necessarily agreed with your assessment, is completely absurd.
>>17101596
Please stop raping people with facts and apologizing for rapists. You deserve to die and have your family killed.
>>17101448
same
>>17101583
>you are well aware that in every injection both the nurse and patient are fully aware that the injection will cause pain
Even if you know beforehand, it's the nurse's duty to remind you and prepare you mentally in case you are not a fit state of mind for the injection.
>yet the nurse continues anyway because the patient has not signaled she should stop because it is an intolerable level of pain
When the patient shows it's an intorelable level of pain for them, she MUST stop or she's a criminal. She CANNOT continue. Do people have to be on the verge of death for you to get you're fucking hurting them? Are you retarted? You should kill yourself for the good of humanity.
Also,
>in every injection both the nurse and patient are fully aware that the injection will cause pain
Which is not the case of OP nor sex where there should be no or at least only minimal pain for the woman. As it is the woman who is feeling it she is the one who decides if the pain is minimal or intolerable, and you are to obey her if she signals to stop because it hurts. No sane person goes into sex fully aware that it will cause pain because IT SHOULD NOT CAUSE PAIN, IT SHOULD CAUSE PLEASURE. OP blatantly ignored clear signals to stop.
>tfw I was the first reply to this thread accusing rape
>mfw I wake up to see everything going according to plan
DANCE PUPPETS! DANCE!
>>17101603
>The action she wanted him to take is unknown
>Immediately after she stopped talking to me and ignored me for the past day
>I've tried really hard to apologise but it feels like my words don't get through, and if I hug or kiss her she starts crying.
>Just before she sent me a text saying that for the first time in her life she felt like an object to be used. And ever since her body is just repelling me
It's pretty obvious she wanted him to stop, retard.
>>17101611
>>you are well aware that in every injection both the nurse and patient are fully aware that the injection will cause pain
>Even if you know beforehand, it's the nurse's duty to remind you and prepare you mentally in case you are not a fit state of mind for the injection.
>>yet the nurse continues anyway because the patient has not signaled she should stop because it is an intolerable level of pain
>When the patient shows it's an intorelable level of pain for them, she MUST stop or she's a criminal. She CANNOT continue. Do people have to be on the verge of death for you to get you're fucking hurting them? Are you retarted? You should kill yourself for the good of humanit
all true, because my point (which you agree with) is that the mere knowledge of pain does not signal the withdrawal of consent.
>and you are to obey her if she signals to stop because it hurts
Also true. You stop if she signals you to
>stop
BECAUSE
>it hurts
OP's girlfriend did not signal him to stop because it hurts, she simply signaled that it hurt. And as the illustration with the nurse clearly shows, the two are distinct.
>>17101617
Of course it is given those facts, none of which were available to OP at the time of sex. You're letting your knowledge of them color your perception of what she communicated to OP, and that's wrong.
>>17101596
Are you comparing situations where one's life and body integrity are in immediate/serious danger so there's a justification for forcing pain (which should be treated immediately anyway and not be let more than is strictly necessary) to sex, a situation where your life and body integrity are not danger therefore there is no need nor justification for unwanted pain and in fact forcing them is a crime?
>>17101631
>none of which were available to OP at the time of sex
They were. When you're having sex and someone signals you it hurts, seriously not playfully and OP described like something serious, you stop. You do not risk hurting that person. If you choose to ignore it and put that person to duress and unwanted sex, you commit rape. OP is a rapist.
>the mere knowledge of pain does not signal the withdrawal of consent
Yes it does. I hope you never get a gf you will give her PTSD with your thinking.
>OP's girlfriend did not signal him to stop because it hurts
It was implied and OP blatantly ignored it. It rang an alarm bell in his brain but he ignored it. You do not subject someone to pain they don't want when you're having sex with them. Him putting her to duress negated her ability to consent because of the pain he was causing her, so he did not have her consent, and he's a rapist.
>>17101651
>They were.
OP knew his girlfriend was going to ignore and withdraw from him the next day? That's fuckin retarded, buttercup.
>Yes it does.
No it doesn't.
>Him putting her to duress negated her ability to consent because of the pain he was causing her
Also pants-on-head retarded, princess. It sounds like you're butchering a phrase you heard in a pseudo-legal feminism lecture, because that whole expression simply makes no sense. You should try to understand things before you repeat them.
>>17101409
>I've told you the facts
You told us bullshit, all easily disproven by the very "logic" and "facts" you claim to champion. There is no logic to what tou have said, nor anything factual.
>but I can't convince you, princess. No amount of estrogenic anger will make you right, though :)
I can't speak for all of your opponents in this thread, but I'm not female (nor am I in the dating pool, so you can put your white-knight brand away, little cowboy).
>Have a nice day, sweetcakes. Nor, frankly, would it matter.
I will not call you a rapist. I don't have the information to do that. I will, however, call you a ticking time bomb of the most dangerous sort: the kind that doesn't even know when it goes off.
>>17101666
No u.
>>17101659
>OP knew his girlfriend was going to ignore and withdraw from him the next day?
It was perfectly fathomable for him to think "HMMM MAYBE IF I HURT MY GIRLFRIEND SHE WON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH ME ANYMORE" and he SHOULD have thought that.
>No it doesn't.
Yes it does.
>he doesn't know what duress is
>Duress is the situation when the person is threatened by overwhelming force or violence, and may result in the absence of an objection to intercourse.
Which is exactly what happened. He forced to suffer the pain he was inflicting her which negated her consent.
>>17101672
>he SHOULD have thought that.
kek
>Yes it does.
No it doesn't.
And you really do have duress wrong. Duress, by the definition you just cited, is a threat. It is when you say "if you don't do this I'll hurt you."
OP never made any such threat, and OP's girlfriend was never given a choice to submit to sex to avoid being hurt. You're dragging in a completely unrelated concept.
>>17101671
>No u.
Doubtful. The simple act of paying attention to my partner puts me light-years ahead of you.
>>17101690
See, you've got me wrong with that assumption. I don't disagree at all with the assessment that OP is a complete douchebaggins and an asshole, and he may even be a rapist depending on what else was communicated by his girlfriend's other actions and statements.
I do stand by my original point that "it hurts" is not, by itself, the withdrawal of consent. If my gf says "it hurts," I stop, but I also know damn well there are instances where a girl might say "it hurts" and stopping isn't what she has in mind.
It's that simple.
>>17101530
Says dude who raped my fat feminist ass. Ima get you sucka!
>>17101682
A threat doesn't have to be verbal or explicit to a be a threat. Implicit threats exist. The fact he ignored her clear signals of pain is a threat in itself because it shows he was and is willing to hurt her.
>>17101693
This wasn't one of those instances, so OP is a rapist.
>>17101682
>OP's girlfriend was never given a choice to submit to sex to avoid being hurt.
Absolutely. She was simply forced to continue, without regard for her pain or anything else she might be feeling, by your own description.
Check and mate, motherfucker.
>>17101699
Sure they do, but there's no case for a further threat to be made in this case. There's simply no insinuation from his story that he was threatening her with any kind of harm. There was never any threat of pain if she didn't comply, just the pain she experienced when she did comply.
That's simply not duress by the (correct) definition you provided.
>>17101706
Nope, you just didn't understand what I said when I said "she was never given a choice" because it set off rape bells in your head.
She was never presented with a choice that would satisfy the definition of duress, i.e., "resist and I will hurt you, or comply and I will not hurt you"
>>17101704
>This wasn't one of those instances, so OP is a rapist.
Lucky for all of us that's not how the law works.
You have to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that, given the information available to him at the time, the only reasonable interpretation of his girlfriend's statement was a complete withdrawal of her consent for the continuation of sex.
>>17100482
You did rape her. What you need to do is stop thinking of your own selfish desires, because that's what got you into this mess, OP. Don't make any bullshit excuses. You thought of yourself.
>>17101708
>There's simply no insinuation from his story that he was threatening her with any kind of harm.
Except for the fact he was already harming her so he had already gone on with his damaging and was scaring her into more damaging and harm.
Subjecting people to pain they don't want and harming them is a crime. OP is a rapist.
>>17101764
She told him it hurts, she was giving no signal she meant it in a way thag could be interpreted as non-serious, he choose to ignore it and inflicted unwanted pain and unwanted sex on her. She did not want as anyone can tell by her reactions. OP is a rapist.
>>17101764
Being a rapist doesn't depend on your "interpretations". It doesn't matter what OP thought, what matters is that she no longer wanted his sex and he didn't care for this. The fact she he no longer wanted to continue makes it rape. She signaled this in a perfectly understandable way and OP chose to ignore it, which makes him a rapist.
>>17101446
You can tell this guy has never had a gf or similar intimate relationship. Unless you and your partner are into such things, most couples are close enough to know that "it hurts" means "stop". Don't break out technicalities. If this were being presented in court the judge and jury would look at how long OP and his (probably soon to be ex) girlfriend were together. Even they know that long/intimate relationships have implied and explicit signals.
But hey, play stupid all you want dude. Also OP you might as well apologize profusely and expect a breakup.
Break up with her and find someone who's not so touchy. Sex must be at least 20% rape to be great, get a girlfriend who can enjoy great sex.
>>17103281
>>17103307
Like I said, it's a good thing rape laws weren't written by a bunch of frantic feminists.
They do that the first time and usually a few times after that where it happens.
Over time though they get used to it and start liking it.
You're at the redpilling part of your sexual relationship with her that you both realize and come to terms with the factor that sex isn't about feels, it's about physical need.
>>17101596
sex is supposed to be fun for all.
A medical emergency is only fun for the doctor.
All doctors are rapists
This is the most retarded fucking post. He's asking for advice and you guys just argue about the definition of rape. Fucking retards. If it hurt her and she cried and is repulsed by him then that's that. He needs to own up to his mistake and take shit easy with her to gain her trust and maybe not use her body as a sex toy cause that's not what sex is. This is why those stupid idiots on tumblr talk shit about guys all the time. Half of you sound like you've raped at least seven chicks in your lives.
>>17105291
It was rape dude
>>17105313
no it wasn't.
It's as simple as this. Imagine someone shoving their hand inside a burlap glove and jacking you off as hard as they can without lube even though you told them that it hurts.
>>17105345
Yes it was
>>17105291
>gain her trust
So that he can rape her again?
>>17104194
Shut up rapist. You should get killed.
>>17105369
No it wasn't.
/thread
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>>17105377
How thick are the frames of your glasses? Extra thick, or super thick?
>>17105598
But it was
\thread
>>17105610
no it wasn't
/thread, double-stamped and no erasies
>>17105615
*grabs you*
Don't you ever victim shame by saying rape didn't happen ever again
>>17105623
>*grabs you*
You sure you want to do that? Seeing as how I'm such a wanton rapist?
>she was clearly asking for it, your honor
>>17105623
Who does that stupid asterisk bullshit, lol
>>17105647
*kicks u*
>>17105356
Now imagine that I told them they could do it at first.
Now imagine that I didn't tell them to stop.
Now you've at least got an analogy that isn't so fucking bad it's obvious it was made by a girl.
>>17105683
You just hate women
>>17105633
Please continue you two
>>17100482
Ya done goofed.
Always check to see if she is good during. Always. Even if it gets frustrating. Use open ended requests, not just yes or no.
>>17105687
Nah, just flawed, emotionally charged reasoning.
I don't even hate you.
>>17100765
thank you
You did not rape her. You're her boyfriend, you were having consensual sex, she just said it "hurt". She probably just decided she wasn't in the mood. Maybe it was a bit rude of you to continue, but that is not rape or assault in any way. I've had sex with past bfs at times when I wasn't completely aroused just because I wanted to do it for them, there's nothing wrong with that.
If she told you to stop, that would be different, but from what I gather all she said was "that hurts". You already have an established relationship, I suppose I can see her being upset, but don't let anyone tell you you're a rapist.
>>17100533
>>17100663
>>17100670
Why the fuck is /adv/ full of sensitive pussies? Jesus christ, I didn't realize this was Tumblr 2.0.
Anyways, just give you and your gf time OP. She'll get over it eventually, just live and learn.
>>17106629
You're a NIGGER and rape apologist
>>17100482
You did use her, but it was an honest mistake. People get caught up in the moment and act like idiots. Tell her what you told us. Talk to her, but don't touch her. She'll shy away from physical contact for awhile.
How experienced is she in relationships? Was she a virgin before she had sex with you?
L fucking MAO. So you raped your girlfriend and people on here are like no bruh dw.
Fucking rapist.
>>17105870
The only flawed reasoning here is yours. You feel entitled to harm and kill people.
>>17105683
If someone starts signaling they're in pain you must stop, retard.
>Oh hey you gave consent to cook with me, cool put your hand here
>Oops your hand got caught in the blender
>Well you just started screaming you never said stop so I guess you didn't want the blender to stop chopping your hands off
See how retarded you sound?
>>17100482
You are a horrible bf. She said it hurts, you should have been able to feel that she wasn't wet enough but you forced yourself in anyway? If someone says it hurts it means you fucking stop doing whatever action that is causing the pain you dumbass. Children know this.
You did use her, and you obviously didn't and don't care that you did. You have no remorse, and and deny the FACT that you did practically rape her. She has every right to be pissed at you and I really hope she dumps you. Even better if she got you arrested and you got a taste of what you put you gf through.
You are filth and fuck all these fat neckbeards defending you. Kys.
>>17100482
OP pls report back, what happened next ?
Did she forgive you ?
>>17107019
>compares blending a non-consenting participants hand to continuing painful sex with a consenting participant
Again, all you keep proving is that you really, really, really suck at analogies. Maybe get a guy to help you next time, or read this?
https://www.scotthyoung.com/blog/2014/10/21/good-analogies/
Key phrase:
>Good analogies are also representative. They match at least some of the features of the idea you’re trying to explain.
>>17107022
>You have no remorse
>"I've tried really hard to apologise"
>deny the FACT that you did practically rape her
>OP never said anything about rape one way or another
I just keep kekking at how your frantic, rabid anger compels you to completely concoct shit out of thin air.
>>17107022
>FACT that you did practically rape her.
No he didn't.
>>17107793
But there's an analogy you retard. Your only argument is that she just indicated pain and pain to you doesn't mean stop, so maybe she wanted to be raped afterall because she consented to having sex with OP prior. That's your argument. Going by your reasoning that pain doesn't mean stop, your indicating pain at having your hand being chopped off didn't necessarily mean you wanted it to stop, and you wanted your hand to be chopped off, because you gave prior consent to use the blender before. Clearly your screaming you were in pain was not enough indication, you should have it said it clear "Stop I don't want my hand to be chopped off." Tough shit according to your own logic you were asking for it.
And please don't spout more bullshit, my analogy is better than your idiotic nurse one, since there is NO need and NO justification for unwanted pain in sex. Even for virgins you can easily make it not painful if one's not a rapist like you.
>>17107828
>>17107828
Here's why your analogy sucks so bad. In your scenario, your friend gave his consent to cook - that doesn't entail getting your hand blended at all. Pain doesn't even need to be considered.
OP's girlfriend (we assume) DID give consent to sex/penetration, which is all OP did. The difference of initial consent is key (and you keep wanting to ignore it).
Now let's fix your analogy and say your friend really did give initial consent to have his hand be blended. Now it doesn't help you at all, because it's obvious your friend WANTS to have his hand mangled painfully. There's no other logical reason he'd stick his hand in a blender and say "Turn it on, Bruh!"
Can you imagine that conversation?
>"Turn it on, bruh!"
>"but...your hand will be painfully mangled"
>"I don't care, do it anyway, I'mma badass this bitch!"
>......wrrrrrrRRRRRRR "AIIIEEEEEEEEEEE"
....later
>DUDE WHY DIDN'T YOU STOP THAT HURT!
>(you) I know, dumbass, THAT WAS THE MOTHERFUCKING POINT, WASN'T IT?
>>17107828
>Even for virgins you can easily make it not painful if one's not a rapist like you.
I love how you keep denying reality every time it shows you're fucking wrong.
Painful sex can still be consensual, and no amount of bullshit you spout will change that fact.
>>17100482
Sounds like an excuse for her to break up with you because she doesn't find you attractive.
Women are geniuses. I need to use this line.
>>17107839
>In your scenario, your friend gave his consent to cook - that doesn't entail getting your hand blended at all
Exactly, just like OP's gf gave her consent to normal painless sex, which doesn't entail getting subjected to pain she doesn't want or getting raped at all.
>OP's girlfriend (we assume) DID give consent to sex/penetration
She didn't give consent to the sex continuing when it stopped being good for her. Him keeping going despite her wishes to stop is the same letting someone get their hand chopped off, you are subjecting them to something they don't want. Even if you got prior consent, if in the middle of sex she doesn't want it anymore you MUST STOP. You are a rapist if you keep going. OP is a rapist because he ignored the girl's signal that it hurt so she wanted to stop.
>inb4 she didn't want to stop
She clearly did given her reaction after. Do you think she wanted to be hurt? She clearly did not, as is normal to assume. But if someone accidentally got their hand in a blender you'd think they want to have their hand chopped off because just being in pain is not enough for you tell someone wants something to stop.
>Painful sex can still be consensual
Not in this case. OP's gf DID NOT consent to painful sex, he gave her no warning it would be painful and she did not agree to painful sex, she expected it to pleasurable and good as it should be and OP didn't care to look for her consent when the situation changed. OP is a rapist.
This shit is why I told my bf when we're having sex if I tell him it hurts, he is to STOP IMMEDIATELY, I don't care if he's fucking me or he's close to orgasm or whatever HE MUST STOP. And if he doesn't I will dump him and I will charge him for rape. Fuck whatever rapists think, my safety is more important than their shitty egos. I do not want to be hurt and I absolutely do not ever consent to any sort of painful sex.
>>17107839
Initial consent doesn't mean shit since consent can be revoked at any moment and ignoring that someone's revoked their consent is rape.
>>17108066
>why I told my bf when we're having sex if I tell him it hurts, he is to STOP IMMEDIATELY
Thank you for contradicting everything you've said in this thread and proving my point completely.
If "that hurts" was exactly equivalent to "stop," and that was common knowledge, you wouldn't have communicated this to your boyfriend, because he'd know "it hurts" already means "stop."
The entire reason you went the extra mile to tell him that you want him to stop when you say it hurts is because those are separate concepts, and it's reasonably possible under a variety of circumstances he would feel it might be okay to continue.
You just irretrievably proved yourself wrong, sweetcheeks.
>>17108086
Of course, I never disagreed with this. If you haven't noticed, the entire discussion has been whether the statement "it hurts" is withdrawal of consent.
>>17100950
>"That hurts" is literally not in any way communicative that you want the experience to stop.
Yes it is, you enormous faggot. Most of the time, people respond to noxious stimulus by wanting it to stop. Unless you're both into BDSM, in which case you have a safe word to prevent this exact thing from happening.
Apologize again, she'll either get over it or dump you. Dry sex hurts like a bitch, you can actually cause tearing that way. Tell her you understand this, you didn't mean to make her feel that way, and it will never happen again. Your best shot if you love her and want to continue the relationship is to accept full blame. Do something nice for her in apology, take her out to dinner, or buy her something she likes.
>>17108094
>>17108094
>If "that hurts" was exactly equivalent to "stop," and that was common knowledge
It is common knowledge just like letting your baby stuck into a hot car for many hours will kill him but retards still do it, and that's presuming OP is a retard who genuinely thought she was still into it and not a rapist who deliberately chose to ignore the fact she was no longer into it. It is common knowledge, that's why OP has no excuse.
>The entire reason you went the extra mile to tell him that you want him to stop when you say it hurts is
Because 4chan has made me paranoid of men, here you see what disgusting scum men truly are so I no longer can trust any man at all even over basic common knowledge. How do I know he's not really a rapist? All males on 4chan seem to be.
>those are separate concepts
No. If I show you it hurts, you are to stop immediately, and you are a rapist if you don't. No further discussion.
>and it's reasonably possible under a variety of circumstances he would feel it might be okay to continue
If my bf ever felt it okay to continue when I'm in pain I would beat the shit out of him, report him to the police and destroy his life. What kind of piece of shit ever thinks "it might be okay" to continue when a girl's in pain, I never want anything to do with a piece of shit like that. Either she explictly tells you to keep going or you stop, men who don't stop and rape their girlfriends should be fucking killed. It is NEVER okay without her EXPLICIT consent. There are NO reasonable circumstances.
>>17108139
lol. Instead of admitting you might possibly be wrong about a simple issue of communication, you throw your boyfriend under the bus with this
>retards still do it
>How do I know he's not really a rapist?
>I no longer can trust any man at all even over basic common knowledge
The funny thing is, of course you trust your boyfriend with simple issues of communication. When you ask him to pick up milk from the store, you don't remind him to pay and not steal it. It's obvious that you're treating this differently because you really do understand it's not as simple as you said.
But good to know you're fucking a guy you don't trust and view as a potential rapist. If you read this thread objectively, you'd see you kind of sound a teensy bit batshit insane.
>>17108139
I can't get over how ridiculous this sounds. "Boyfriend, dear, remember not to rape me."
It's like you think all a potential rapist needs is a gentle reminder not to rape, and you're good to go.
>>17108148
Oh I do trust my boyfriend and I do not view him as a rapist, he's always complied with my wishes and he has always stopped immediately if I told him something hurt as he should do and as I expect him to do, he's always waited for me to tell him to continue rather than rape me like OP did with his girlfriend. If I didn't trust him or viewed him as a rapist I would not be with hm. Still better safe than sorry, being bluntly explicit about my wishes is safer for me considering rapists like you and OP exist. Just because something is extremely simple and basic common knowledge doesn't mean people won't ignore it to feed their shit egos anyway.
>>17108176
Apparently if you don't remind men not to do something you don't want during sex they automatically think you want all kinds of horrible shit done to you. How's a girl supposed to protect herself?
>>17108187
You don't seem to mind flatly contradicting yourself in the space of two posts. Good to see you at least sticking up for your boyfriend now, that's sort of a redeeming quality. Good for you.
>>17108139
Sometimes it hurts but it feels really good at the same time, am I weird ?
>>17108213
you are a rape victim, as being hurt renders you unable to consent.
>>17100482
>gf says: hurt me anon!!
>I shoved 3/4 of it in
>AAAaarggh
>slaps me
>>17108139
Were you raped?
>>17108197
How am I contradicting myself? My boyfriend is a fucking rare specimen of male, I might as well think of him and other men as two different species. He always asks for my permission first, he always apologizes if he accidentally hurts me and doesn't hold a grudge if I no longer want to do it, he always stops immediately whenever I indicate something hurts and waits for me to give him the ok to continue, he always put my own pleasure before his and he's always careful to make sure I'm enjoying myself. He refuses blowjobs in favor of giving me cunnilingus instead. He always listens to me and does whatever I ask him and he is very quick to pick up subtle signals, he's not a fucking idiotic autist who can't tell what one means even if they're being subtle. That is how a boyfriend should be. The vast majority of men doesn't do the things he does with the spontaneity and genuine desire to please his love he has they might as well be subhumans.
>>17108236
Yes by my relative as a child. Now go on, tell me I was asking for it because I had no goddamn idea what was going on, I didn't understand sex yet so I just cried and ran away, clearly this little child was not being explicit enough for her relative to get she wanted him to stop raping her,
>>17108244
>How am I contradicting myself?
>>17108139
>I no longer can trust any man at all even over basic common knowledge
>How do I know he's not really a rapist?
>>17108187
>Oh I do trust my boyfriend and I do not view him as a rapist
Just slow down, princess, it's like you aren't even registering what you're writing. The entire point of your explanation for why you have to tell your boyfriend "when we're having sex if I tell him it hurts, he is to STOP IMMEDIATELY" was that you don't trust him to not be a gross, rape-happy retard.
Show him that post and see what he thinks.
>>17100482
>what do I do?
I dunno, do the whole candlelight room thingy and go on a sensual tantric accompanied with Barry White moaning soundstrack pussy massaging and slow eat her out routine I guess. Of course, make it your priority to wet that bun thoroughly before work.
>>17108254
I cut you a lot more slack for your feelings and how you view this situation, then. That's horrible.
I do enjoy jabbing at people and making fun of them when I argue online. That's a bad habit, sorry about that.
>>17108244
Carl is your bf ?
>>17108262
>I no longer can trust any man at all even over basic common knowledge
>How do I know he's not really a rapist?
Rhetorical questions what are they.
>The entire point of your explanation for why you have to tell your boyfriend "when we're having sex if I tell him it hurts, he is to STOP IMMEDIATELY" was that you don't trust him to not be a gross, rape-happy retard
I can trust him and tell him that both for extra safety, because better safe than sorry. My father trusted me not to hurt myself when I went out to play (otherwise he would not let me out go out at all) but he still gave me the usual warnings to remind me just in case. I do not understand this idiotic idea of yours that you can't trust someone and still remind them/warn them to be safe. If I had no trust for my boyfriend I would not be with him, I still do not ever, absolutely, not under any circumstances, want to be hurt during sex so I warn him of what he is not to do. Trust is okay but being safe is better. Stories like OP's do nothing but strengthen my resolve I am doing the right thing, poor girl she trusted OP too much.
>>17108284
>I do not understand this idiotic idea of yours that you can't trust someone and still remind them/warn them to be safe.
I was repeating your words, almost verbatim.
![hqdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/L0SCtL5.jpg "hqdefault[1].jpg")
>>17108139
>here you see what disgusting scum men truly are
>>17108284
Adding:
Trust is not black or white. It can be a lot, a little, some, too much etc. It's not an absolute, it's something that varies in measure. I have a lot of trust in my boyfriend but I still have a healthy amount of distrust over people about things that are important to me, such as my safety and well-being, which is why I prefer to be explicit at the point of being a bitch rather than ending up like OP's girlfriend. Getting hurt or worse is what happens when you trust a man too much.
>>17108307
So I'm about tired of arguing over this, but I feel like we need to make it to 200 posts on this baby.
What if I told you I'm actually an african american trans-female lesbian working on my graduate thesis on gender dynamics?
>>17108297
You seem to think if you trust someone, you should shut up and never expect the worst from them because just trusting them makes them immediately an immaculate person who will never hurt you and/or take advantage of you, despite the fact that the possibility exists and you're taking no steps to make yourself safe, you're blatantly exposing yourself to possible danger no matter how objectively idiotic that is. Or if you don't trust someone over something, that means you think they're a horrible person and can never trust them with anything. You know no measure and I'm sorry for you.
>I was repeating your words
I never implied anything that you're implying.
>>17108322
>What if I told you I'm actually an african american trans-female lesbian working on my graduate thesis on gender dynamics?
Nobody gives a shit.
All I'm saying is someone who's not a rapist stops when their partner tells them it hurts, especially if said partner had not previously agreed to any sort of pain, because that's the basic thing to do as anyone who's a decent person knows. OP is either:
A) a selfish retard who genuinely thought she wanted to keep going, but then he should have checked if his assumption was correct rather than just selfishly presume it was, he chose the second so it's clear he doesn't care for his girlfriend and she should dump him since he's not a decent person by any measure
B) a rapist piece of shit who knew she no longer wanted it, didn't care and raped her and now he's being a whiny piece of shit about it.
Either way OP should kill himself and his girlfriend deserves justice for the wrong he did her.
>>17108348
Did your rapist ever get prosecuted?
>>17108348
>OP is either:
>A) a selfish retard who genuinely thought she wanted to keep going, but then he should have checked if his assumption was correct rather than just selfishly presume it was, he chose the second so it's clear he doesn't care for his girlfriend and she should dump him since he's not a decent person by any measure
>B) a rapist piece of shit who knew she no longer wanted it, didn't care and raped her and now he's being a whiny piece of shit about it.
Hey, I can agree with this 100%.
>>17108352
No.
>>17108364
That sucks. What state was it in? Is he still alive?
>>17108364
>>17108352
>inb4 go to the police
He's dead now, so it doesn't matter anymore. I'd rather prevent other girls from getting raped at the hands of disgusting assholes like OP and get their due justice if they are so unfortunate not to see pieces of shit like OP for what they really are and give them undeserved trust. If anyone ever sexually hurts my daughter I will murder him.
>>17108254
I'm so sorry to hear this.
Does your bf know ? does anyone else know ? did you get justice by flaying him ?
>>17108371
See >>17108376.
>>17108376
ah soh. Only two more posts to reach 200.
Was that you that said you knew of a nurse getting arrested for giving someone an injection even though they told her it hurt?
If it was, you made that up, didn't you?
>>17100482
You ducked up
>>17108376
>He's dead now, so it doesn't matter anymore.
That's a good attitude.
Hey, tell me what you think about this - a law class in high school.
Not a class on how to be a lawyer, but a class covering laws - rape laws, traffic laws, drug laws, property laws, etc.
I think it's astounding that most people go their entire lives and never read a single sentence of actual laws. Everything they get is haphazardly communicated to them from someone else, paraphrased, etc. The very best and only legal training you get, in general, is in driver's ed.
In college there are all sorts of kids who don't know what the fuck rape laws are, and you have state universities trying to communicate that to them through skits and Q&A. So you have some kids, girls and boys, that think shit is okay when it's definitely not, because they have never read what the law says.
>>17108378
>Does your bf know?
Yes. He asked me if I had ever been with anyone before so I told him that no, I had never willingly had sex with anyone before him, but also that my relative had raped me as a child. To his credit this didn't smear his image of me at all, he was very sensitive about the topic and said that it didn't worsen his opinion of me in the least, he still wanted me and only me. Whenever I read the shitholes on r9k whine "Waaah my gf told me she was raped I feel so emasculated why was I deprived of my divine right to be first to plow that pussy now I'm a cuck I bet she secretly craves 10 inch black cocks" I cannot believe how lucky I was to meet my bf.
>>17108422
>Waaah my gf told me she was raped I feel so emasculated why was I deprived of my divine right to be first to plow that pussy now I'm a cuck I bet she secretly craves 10 inch black cocks
Wow, that was a really good impression of r9k. I'm guessing you've clicked on more than one of those threads.
>>17108427
Know your enemy.
>>17108437
It's not like you are ever gonna meet anyone like them irl.
However if you want a reason to hate men, that's a good place to start. It's pretty unhealthy that a person of your background would spend time on 4chan, honestly.
>>17108454
>t's not like you are ever gonna meet anyone like them irl
You never know. If I were able to predict the future that accurately I would have already won the lottery.
>It's pretty unhealthy that a person of your background would spend time on 4chan
Know your enemy, as I said. When my daughter grows up I will be able to describe exactly with pinpoint precision what kind of men to avoid for her own good.
>>17108464
My life's problems aren't half as serious as yours and I already made a resolution to not spend more than 30 minutes a day on 4chan. Probably even less when I enter university.
Good luck with your path, my time is up. :)
>>17107095
He's in jail now
>>17108510
4chan's not a place for someone who's never experienced a problem in their life and it's not a place to get any kind of good advice/discussion either. It's a place for repulsive people to unleash and for those who are aware of such repulsive people to observe them so you know how to fight/avoid them.
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>>17108542
Not true. There's a culture of edginess to be sure, but if one looks beyond that there is always something to be learned. Unless you're on /b/ of course
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>>17108547
>>17108139
>here you see what disgusting scum men truly are
>>17108551
Huh? I'm not disgusting scum.
>>17108547
What's there to be learned on /r9k/ and /pol/ beyond what kind of people to avoid in your life?
/a/ is the same only with anime. Toxic, negative unpleasant people you don't want to discuss anime with for your own mental health, they are only capable of circlejerking over pure untouched 2D virgins and will attack you to the point of bullying for having your own opinion.
Cgl? That's Shit-talking behind one's back and Nit-picking for the explicit purpose of saying something that will make other people feel bad: The Board.
/v/? Same as /a/ with videogames.
/adv/? It's already becoming /r9k/ the blueboard version.
The only boards where you don't see repulsive shit are the dead ones where nobody posts, or the porn ones because the mods enforce the no discussions rule and even that sometimes gets fucked up.
>>17108556
I think OP is disgusting scum and he's a man. You think selfish uncaring assholes like OP are not disgusting scum?
>>17108575
That's the difference between
>a man
and
>men
Do you say crazy shit like this all the time to your boyfriend and then act like it never happened? It must drive him nuts.
>>17108575
He might be, but you paint with extremely broad strokes.
>>17108581
No nigger, it doesn't drive him nuts because he has this thing called empathy which you sorely lack. And he's the first to admit shit men like OP are aplenty.
>>17108591
>nigger
>empathy which you sorely lack
You're like a walking caricature of an angry highschooler.
At least you're still not whining about my mean ad hominem attacks.
>>17108591
So you're saying that he's good because he agrees with your extremely biased opinion that almost all men are absolute shit? Seems like he just enables your delusions
>>17108602
Spoken just like a bitter robot.
>>17108634
Is this bait? Am I being baited? Someone help!
All these fat fucking tumblr whales can't read for shit.
It hurts does not = please stop. It's not hard to say, stop.
Fuck out of here you senseless hamplanets.
>>17108602
Most men are absolute shit. That's why women all compete for Chad.
>>17108656
Jokes on you, chads the rapist
>>17108640
It's like you've never experienced crippling fear and pain during sex in your life. Doesn't make it consent.
>>17108668
Hi land whale!
>>17108568
Or maybe you are just really unhinged and take everything on 4chan personally. I can already see from your hatred that you are the type I would avoid irl, because the robots from /r9k/ wouldn't leave their basement, but radical self-righteous man-haters absolutely do.
I just want to live a simple life...
>>17108668
Because I'm not pathetic little whore who can't take the D.
FYI the law recognizes that lack of a "no" is not a "yes" and lack of a "stop" "is not "continue."
>>17108677
I wouldn't be proud of being an object for people to use with no regard for my own feelings.
>>17108673
>Or maybe
Nah. 4chan really is like that.
>Blah blah if you care about people not getting raped and rape victims having their justice you're a man-hater
Don't expect any sympathy from me when it happens to you, then. You'll have to ask another man-hater to defend you.
>>17108729
You're too much of a man hater and stop blaming 4chan for you being a shitty human being
>>17108754
I'm not blaming 4chan of anything, just stating what it is.
>>17108771
You're wrong, and you're also a bad person that essentially got what was coming to them
>>17108777
Don't confuse me with yourself anon. :)
>>17108808
Will you be my gf
It is entirely possible for a person to say that something hurts without wanting the thing to stop. This can happen when a person is gambling on the principle that the pain will be replaced with gratification of a greater value, resulting in a net positive experience.
To put this in perspective with the OP's scenario: It is possible that the girl said it hurts but still spread her legs, still opened her arms, still willfully communicated consent to OP in every way imaginable. It is possible that the girl acknowledged the sexual activity started badly and yet hoped, with either good judgment or bad judgment, that perhaps the activity would be pleasurable enough to be worth it in the end. It is entirely possible that the girl internally made this gamble in a split second, possibly without her full capacities. It is entirely possible that once the activity was over the girl ultimately came to the conclusion that it was lousy sex, that it was a net negative experience, that she would have achieved a greater quality of life by objecting to the sex when it was proven to be of bad quality, that she shouldn't have settled for bad sex and let it progress to even worse sex.
In contrast, it is equally possible that the girl felt physically threatened. It is entirely possible that the girl said it hurts and yet communicated that she wanted the activity to continue out of fear, guided or misguided, that asking for the activity to stop would produce a violent reaction and therefore a worse outcome.
We weren't there. We cannot say exactly what happened and which scenario is closer to the truth.
>>17108935
I think it's safe to say that OP is most likely a rapist
>>17108935
>We cannot say exactly what happened and which scenario is closer to the truth.
Well, we shouldn't, anyway. That won't stop some of us from screaming "RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPE" just the same.
>>17108946
I think it would be safe to say that OP is a rapist if his girlfriend made this claim and literally called him a rapist. She could have done that. She could have walked to OP and said "you are rapist". When she walks to him and says she felt objectified in bed, she uses words that describe lousy sex, not rape. By calling OP a rapist we inadvertently discard the opinion of OP's girlfriend as if it was worthless. There are victims of rape who do not recognize the crime as one but it is not clearly the case and therefore we cannot automatically discard her opinion. If her opinion is not automatically discarded then we must create hypotheses that take it into consideration, and that means OP is not clearly a rapist.
