>We get it, you didn't do too hot with the ladies in middle school/high school and you missed the boat for sexual/social experimentation
Fuck. I'm not him but that's exactly it. I never got to have any wild carefree middle/highschool teenage fuck fun or anything like apparently everyone else did and it's killing me inside. To this day I still have never gotten to fuck. I'm going to be 19 in a month and a half and yeah technically 19 is still a teenager so I still have a bit over a year but I just don't know. I don't know how to achieve that stuff, I can't get into bars or clubs because not 21, I couldn't get into any fraternities so I can't get into any parties, so the only other option is to get a girlfriend. I've lost a shit ton of weight and I'm losing even more and I'm going to put on muscle, I'm wearing fashionable clothes, have an undercut, all of that, I'm even going to try to get a summer job this summer.
But god damnit all I want in life is to get to fuck, no condom. I don't want money, or drugs, or alcohol (all of which I have offered to me all the time), I don't want boats, or cars, or houses, or clothes, or food, or anything. I just wanna fuck.
It's like a nightmare I can't wake up from.
I need serious help, just what the hell do I do?
Have I been stunted by missing out on all of that? Am I pre-emptively at a disadvantage or something? Is there even anything I can do anymore?
>You're going to get irritable, depressed, develop dangerous addictions and destroy your relationship with all the mental damage that causes, which eventually does cause you to shrivel up and die.
>irritable as fuck
>depressed as fuck
>addicted to too much porn (no I don't have DGS I make sure not to give myself it
>Have to actively hide my misery or else it will destroy any chance of relationships with anyone
>feel mentally damaged
>feel like I'm dying
Why do so many fucking people act like "oh lol its no big deal XD who cares if your a virgin it doesn't matter"
Why aren't there societal mechanisms in place to help people like me?
>>17027382
Why do so many people bitch about all these problems, how they're keeping them bottled up inside and it's slowly killing them, and yet they don't seek out professional help?
Psychologists/psychiatrists are literally paid to help people through this. If you're too much of a "tuff gui" to go out and seek counseling, then you have no fucking right to complain about shit.
>>17027583
The solution to the problem is sex, not some stupid psychologist
>>17027583
Read Marcus Aurelius and quit being a faggot.
>>17027607
this desu
>>17027607
>If I just have sex once, all my problems with crippling depression and porn addiction will just go away :^)
>>17027651
Only use porn to make up for the void of sex in my life
>>17027651
It's more like
>If I'd received the physical intimacy that is a keystone of mental an social developmental health, these problems wouldn't have occurred in the first place, but now that I've missed the boat I'm incapable of understanding how courting works and the people who managed to develop normally further isolate me by downsizing how big of an issue it is.
You've got a problem, then plan and work to solve it. If you fail, evaluate what you did and think of new things to try.
Being an 18 year old virgin (pretty common thing) is fucking tragic my life is over woe is me blah blah blah
All it is is a problem, so plan and solve it.
>>17027675
This, how do I break out of this before things spiral down even more?
I'm closer now then I've ever been before, I don't even look fat anymore, but I still have a few pounds to lose, I need to build muscle, the clothes are down, the hair is down, and I am getting better and better at getting people to like me
But its still not enough
>>17027675
My best idea is be as active socially as I can get others to be, I have as much time as I need but other people seem to be so fucking busy now (wah college is so hard I need to study for 10 hours),
I'm trying to get close friends who like me a lot and then I can reveal to them my situation, (but without all the really miserable details) and try to get them to help me somehow
Also hoping to get a girlfriend by getting a summer job this summer
>>17027651
normalfags simply will never understand
>believing that after sticking your penis inside a wet hole for 30 seconds will make your opinions valid and give your life meaning
Why do you sperglords believe this
>>17027729
Please enlighten us high wizard
>>17027736
More to it than that, normalfag.
There's a subconscious confirmation of worth that comes from physical intimacy. Same with emotional, actually. There are people that have had girlfriends but are virgins into their late teens, but most virgins on adv and r9k have been starved of emotional intimacy as well and that is both mentally and physically harmful to go without.
I'm on mobile at the moment but searching it will pop the article up quickly. Extended social isolation is more physically dangerous than both obesity and smoking regularly.
And the worst part is that you don't get to choose being lonely. Isolation is just a weight that settles upon you.
Don't worry OP. I didn't lose mine until 18-19, but since then I've lived a sex life that mere mortals only dream of (numerous mff polyamorous relationship, fucked models, fucked tiny figure skater, you name it I've done it, was in a soft porn movie, got offered a hard core porn career, etc.) my point is that you've still got plenty of time.
>>17027791
I already know that, that's why I've made a huge effort these past few months to build a social life and I think I've built it as fast as possible given what I was starting with (nothing)
Just yesterday me and this guy went to this island in the middle of a river and climbed on rocks and shit, it was like 3 hours
Today a different guy even said he would try to change his weekend family plans so that he can do shit with me, so apparently he likes me enough to be willing to attempt it
>>17027800
No, just saying "dont worry you got plenty of time" is not good enough, I have to take real solid action, steps that actually make sense and yield tangible results, in order to do it. You know what happens if I just say "lol who cares"? I live in my bedroom endlessly and have 0 social contact
The fact that you're so fucking desperate is the exact reason you're not getting laid. Focus on bettering yourself in life in general, as well as practicing talking to women.
Look up RSDs shit, people will hate me because it's PUA shit, but I only suggest it to you for the fundamental stuff, like they obviously stress going out and talking to girls is what's going to make you good at talking to girls, not watching videos, but they do give you a good idea of the psychology of women too which helps me personally. Come from a mindset of abundance when talking to women, never act like OMG I HAVE TO HAVE YOU, Or like put them on this pedestal where you so clearly view them as better than you, always show you're on the same level playing field, that you have value, and you'll improve your chances a lot.
Hell I just use tinder nowadays, an example of what I was talking about was like if a girl ignores you, are you the type of person to wait until they respond, or at least like a few days to send another? Or are you instantly sending more texts, longer texts, and replying faster? That shows desperation, you only put as much effort into your relationship as she does.
Normally I'd say following up w a girl after she ignores you is beta, but it doesn't really matter because 1 of 2 things are gonna happen, 1) she'll actually respond back and you can start gaming her 2) she ignores you again in which case oh fucking well, as long as your not wasting a lot of time on it your just using the extra 5 seconds to go for the second chance. It works from time to time
Fucking without a condom on is going to be immensely disappointing when you actually do it. It's nice but it's nothing amazing. Start using dating sites and tinder.
>>17027903
tried both neither worked
gotta get rid of the fat gotta put on a 6 pack
but even then I dont really care about condom sex, maybe if I get to the point where I'm getting condom sex I could do a good enough job with the girl that she agrees to be one on one with pills?
>>17027925
Why didn't it work? Did you aim for pretty girls or low quality ones?
i didnt get laid until i was 19
24 now
im a massive manwhore
it's not even hard for me to get it in anymore
there's hope for you bro, youre only 19 and all that highschool shit is overrated as fuck anyways, highschool is like literally the worst period of life
>>17027932
Only girls that ever matched with me were fat girls
One time a hot one matched but she wanted a 3 MMF 3 way and wanted me and the guy to fuck around too and I was like no way
>>17027359
You have to stop obsessing over this.
Seriously. Plenty of people are virgins at your age.
When you obsess, you accidentally treat girls badly. Like you put out the vibe of "Hey, you are just a walking fleshlight please please take my dick." No girl wants to fuck that guy.
>>17027382
It's barely been a century and a half since America had a civil war over slavery and you expect social mechanisms to have developed to help betas become chads? There are barely any social issues anyone's managed to confront as a country.
>>17028021
That's another thing, the beta/alpha thing needs to be destroyed. This mindset of "the guys who are getting laid deserve it and the ones who aren't don't" needs to go
>>17028027
It's true though. And the same applies to girls. You don't want to fuck a girl who is fat and ugly, right?
>>17028034
I'm talking mentally speaking, physical attractiveness (Due to shit that you can control) is way different than this other shit that plays in
>>17027359
not only are you new at life you're new at 4chan, and yet you're posting, and you're posting to bitch
how about you come back when you're nearly a wizard (and you know what that means)
>offered money, drugs, and alcohol
>offered money
fuck you
>>17027583
I've talked to my therapist about it and she just directed me to a support group for autism so I could meet people, and having gone once, it's very unlikely to help with that or with my other issues (frustrated/worried/disappointed re: the human race)
I don't even have that much difficulty talking to people or making conversation or looking them in the eye any more, I just don't know how to make and keep friends on purpose and I have no idea how to date someone
>>17027729
i think you over exaggerate how much sex "normalfags" have. normal people are not fucking a new girl ever week, club rats are, yes but they are not normal. normal people only have frequent sex when they are in a relationships, like everyone, they just dont find it really difficult to get a relationship because it really isnt. you just have to go for girls that are in your league or lower. high level girls are difficult because they have lots of guys speaking to them, there is more competition.
>>17028083
Faggot your not me stfu and learn how to not make it look like two people are one
>>17028062
I should have said I was given money but I don't care
I can also get a summer job working in an office where my mom works but I dont want it because again, dont care about money, and because if Im gonna have a job I want to be around teenage and college girls not 50 year old men
>>17028111
Not him but how do I get into a relationship then?
Apparently everyone is really fucking busy at college
>>17028111
And how do you gauge what "league" a girl is in and what "league" you are in?
>>17028126
personally, girls annoy me most of the time but every so often i will get bored and start getting into one. its really not that hard to get into a relationship, the hard part is finding a decent girl, for me anyway, i havent even had sex for over a year because i havent found a girl i really like. what most people basically do is get a girls number, start texting them, get into them through text, set up a date, now you're dating. also there is obviously pulling a girl in a club, bar or party. i normally get a girl number from a club, tinder or through a friend that will know a single girl. Some people use facebook too but i personally dont even have facebook. i will say this, it seems more difficult for you americans. Here in england, we can start going to clubs, bars etc at 18 and clubbing is massive here.
>>17028133
well typically people can tell how attractive they are and how attractive a girl is.
>>17028112
I didn't say I was you and I didn't act like a bitch, so where's the confusion?
alternatively, yeah, there was some ambiguity and the chance for misunderstanding; you could point it out better, or just not all unless someone replies to me thinking it's you
>>17028191
Your the bitch faggot, going to an autism support group
>>17028189
No everyone in this country seems to be busy as hell during university, or at least the final part of the semester, guys, girls, everyone
I don't think they are making it up, I really think they are telling the truth, because everyone gives the same universal explanation "10 hours of homework, need to do it, have to study for X quiz coming up" and people are constantly in the library etc etc
And I gave up on asking for girls numbers a while back
>>17028198
>No everyone in this country seems to be busy as hell during university, or at least the final part of the semester, guys, girls, everyone
>I don't think they are making it up
this is a bit odd. cant you find people who are not in uni or anything like that? most girls here in england go out clubbing on the weekend.
>>17028209
Everything in the US is very spread out, in Britain everything is compact and close to each other. It's 15 miles from where I live to my university which is in a city, and everything outside of the city is either rural or sub urban. I can't "naturally", as in without seeming forced, meet people unless they are at my university. And at my university people are nice to me and hang out with me when they can, but they are all so busy.
That's why I'm thinking of getting a job this summer
>>17027774
It's only harmful if you making it out to be an sitting in your room all day jacking off isn't gonna make it better. I have 5 friends that are above 23 who don't give a shit about relationships cause they are doing something with their lives
>>17028246
Do you mean they don't give a shit about relationships as in they don't give a shit about relationships but still get laid all the time and are glad they do?
>>17028198
you must be OP because you clearly don't know what it's like here
>>17028357
Then what's it like
>>17028027
First of all it's not a 'thing': alphas and betas are pack positions and have been a part of our nature for as long as we've been human, shit, since before we were human.
Secondly, fuck off with wanting to be rid of the alpha/beta 'thing' just because you are a beta and too pussy to do the work to become an alpha. It's fine to be beta, someone has to be, but you don't get to get rid of alphas, because someone in this world has to actually do shit, faggot.
>>17028532
Fuck you, I'm sick of "alphas" acting like they are better than everyone else, before "womens liberation" there was none of that shit. It's fake, its not real, and it needs to die.
But until society changes (will will take a few years) I have to blend in and "put in the work to become an alpha" by getting buff, wearing the clothes, doing the haircut, and talking right, but I still secretely hate the people I'm pretending to be and will never forget the guys who are left behind.
>>17028532
>>17028543
and when the time comes you better believe I'm going to turn on these "alpha" "friends" of mine
>>17027359
>you missed the boat for sexual/social experimentation
just do it in college or in your 20s. that's what I did. why do people obsess over this shit? live your life for a couple years and you'll come to see how silly it is to feel that you missed out on something amazing just because you didn't do this or that in high school. some people are late bloomers and it is only a problem if you make it one.
>>17028458
autistic
>>17028545
Oh no, please don't do that!!! That sounds awful. I really hope that you can't backtrace and go all alpha by reporting me to the cyber police.
P.S. I think that Amazon delivered your fedora, leather trench coat, and dragon dildo to my house by mistake. I understand that you don't want your mommy to know that she raised a pathetic, she'll of a man, so feel free to pick them up after she tucks you in for the night.
>>17027675
You can't ask normiee's for help on how to be normal because they have no perspective of your problem.
It's a 'can't see the forest from the trees' kinda thing
OP, I'm with you.
One day we will have Incel Revolution and many heads of Chads and sluts will be cut.
>>17028561
What are you even on about? I mean that I don't agree with this alpha shit and even once I've "become one" I still wont feel like it should have ever been necessary and I wont feel any loyalty to the other "alphas"
>>17028691
>beta/incel revolution
From what I can tell, betas/incels can barely leave their house or make eye contact with a female, much less start any kind of "revolution" that will make any kind of change in modern society. Every once and a while you will have some incel with comorbid mental illness who snaps and shoots like, six or seven normal people a la the Rodge or Sodini, but any impact of that on the larger cultural landscape basically fades into noise.
>>17027962
>I NEED sex
>no fat chicks
So, you really aren't that desperate then. If sex was something you absolutely needed desperately, then you totally would have banged those fat girls. That's called a "practice girl." Analogously, if you're a starving Somalian refugee lacking needed food, you aren't going to turn down a piece of bread because it has raisins in it or some shit. You're going to eat it.
>muh standards
If you *need* to have sex with a female of sufficient attractiveness, I have got bad news for you. Roughly 50% the population is female, and 60% of the US population is overweight so you are already down to 20% of what you started with. Then when you take out the ones that are married other otherwise unavailable, plus whatever standard of attractiveness you feel you deserve (2/10, elbows too pointy), but will also put up with this whiny self centered bullshit, then your dating pool rounds to zero. Hope that clears things up for you.
>>17029434
I don't have a problem with some chub, I mean that all the girls I matched with were like literal landwhales
And I would rather wait a little longer to get better at socialization and get a better girl than settle for some 300 pounder
Also the beta uprising is talking about a general uprising of all disgruntled men (and even some women) who are pissed at society in general, it could be a minimum wage factory worker, it could be a NEET, whoever.
The whole 80/20 rule is just one symptom of the bigger problem, our society is all kinds of fucked right now.
>>17027382
>Why aren't there societal mechanisms in place to help people like me?
Because what you need is for certain things to be done that you, and only you, can do. No matter how much anyone else might want to help you, they cannot, because they are not in your head. Society cannot realistically form mechanisms to do things that can only be done at the individual level.
>>17029505
I'm willing to put the effort in to make the changes, I already am, I'm dropping fucktons of weight, learning social skills and practicing them, and having them work, wearing "fashionable" clothes and an undercut hair style, all that
But I still wish I had more emotional support and could receive tips from people and stuff, like a help group or something
>>17028736
>One day we will have Incel Revolution
That will be difficult, seeing as the last involuntary celibate died 50 years ago. Sex is easier to get, right here and right now, than it has been in centuries: if you are over the age of 14, and you are a virgin, it is only because you have chosen to be. Maybe you directly chose virginity, or perhaps you chose something else over sex. But either way, you made the choice.
I keep seeing that 80/20 thing tossed around, but seeing as both male/female virgins are less than 5% of the 25-29 age population, and under 0.3% for people over 40, I don't see how that's possible mathematically. Obviously more than 20% of men are having sex by at least 30. Hence the lack of widespread political support for government provided hot girlfriends or whatever it is that the incels want now. The other 95% of the population is just living their lives so they don't see it as a groundbreaking issue.
In the 4chan/wizardchan/r9k echo chamber it may seem like there are millions upon millions of men who have never or don't regularly have sex, but that's not true. Seriously dude 80% of the US male population age 15-64 is fucking 81 million people. There are not 81 million men in this country not having sex because the other 20 million guys are somehow banging all of 100 million females in that age range (somehow without dropping dead of exhaustion). Get real.
>>17029547
The 80/20 rule represents domination, not total ownership, of the sex
Most guys still do get laid, but sparsely and always at the girls mercy, and at great cost.
20% of the guys get laid all the time and basically on their terms.
>population is just living their lives so they don't see it as a groundbreaking issue.
Yeah and it really bothers me, no one ever stops and thinks "I wonder what its like for the guys who aren't getting laid"
They always just assume that once you hit highschool its GG NO RE and you have infinite sex forever, and if by some chance they do stop and think about it, they always warp and twist it in their minds into somehow being your fault.
Yeah I'm making a bunch of progress and I'm closer now than I've ever been before, but even once I have it I will still strongly resent that it took so much time and effort, and will still want it to be way easier, will still want hyper realistic virtual reality and hyper realistic artificial vaginas, etc.
No boy should be left behind when it comes to this.
>>17029474
Not many people realize this but living in american society, the general populace rewards assertive behavior. In other countries, like japan especially, passive behavior is rewarded in society.
I have heard all too often that betas are born from a combination of bad parenting, child abuse, and bad first time social experiences. Things like enjoying video games and staying inside all day, facilitate this behavior and also affects your appearence. I myself find it very difficult to continuosly excercise daily because I don't generate the dopamine you get from doing physical/mental activities that an Alpha would get. Someone who enjoys playing outside and throwing a ball around or whatever generates the dopamine from participating in physical activity, whereas someone who gets enjoyment out of mental activity would be indoors and playing games etc. so excericise is very difficult to routinely do for the latter.
>>17029474
You realize that to the non-fat non-ugly girls, you are the "300 pounder," right? You want better, and so do they.
>>17029558
>resent time and effort
>why can't that hot girl just fuck me bareback with anal like the girl in muh porn?!
I support legalizing prostitution but honestly that won't help with situations like this. My advice to you is just to go ahead and wait for 100% lifelike realistic sex bots/VR. You will never be satisfied with a real girl.
>>17029843
I'm not 5'4 and 300 pounds like those landwhales are
>You want better, and so do they.
Yeah fine, so once I finally drop the few remaing pounds and get a 6 pack, whats left on their list of demands?
>resent time and effort
>why can't that hot girl just fuck me bareback in the pus
Fixed that
What is birth control pills?
They should be taken by all women from 18 up 0 exceptions
>My advice to you is just to go ahead and wait for 100% lifelike realistic sex bots/VR
That would be godly but its gonna be a while and I'm not willing to wait
I just gotta drop the last of the fat, put the muscle on, and lay on the charm to guys and girls alike to build up a solid social network and then use that to get people to want to help me get laid (from the guys POV) or want to have sex with me because (insert women logic here)
>>17029843
so why is the "300 pounder" not actually 300 pounds?
>>17030034
I am not 300 pounds, the girls were, you were trying to equate me with them
>>17027382
>Why aren't there societal mechanisms in place to help people like me?
It's called prostitution.
>>17030044
>highly illegal
>costs a fuck load of money
>risk of robbery or assault or both
>villified by people in general
Doesn't count
>>17029547
>I keep seeing that 80/20 thing tossed around, but seeing as both male/female virgins are less than 5% of the 25-29 age population, and under 0.3% for people over 40, I don't see how that's possible mathematically.
That's because it isn't. The 80/20 thing is a gross misapplication of a saying that isn't even about relationships, tossed around by redpillers in a desperate attenpt to deny three critical facts: that they're at the bottom of the heap, and that they could change this if they wanted to, and that their not wanting to makes their situation entirely their own fault.
>>17030496
82/20 is about a critical 20% of your work being 80% of the finished product whether its skill practice or business.
It has been co opted for a lot of different things.
And yes, if you've ever been a popular person, you'd know there are some guys who get a lot of girls, and plenty of guys who get zero girls, per year.
Its just a rule that women want the most desireable guys, and women also have the power of dictating who gets the 'sex' they 'have', according to andrea dworking (as she said men want access to what women have; sex).
Now, guys have this 'sex' as well, but be realistic. Its women who actually get to choose their partners, not men.
Isn't the 80/20 thing just from votes on OKCupid? And only about how attractive people were voted as?
Pretty big stretch to apply it to the world in general and people actually having sex.
>>17030496
Fucking this!!! Fucking hell, I usually try to give fuckface betas like OP advice, but OP is such a pussy that he makes me want to go beat a beta on principle! This shit his entirely of his own making. He recognizes the natural dynamics, but wants to reject them and have everyone else agree to his new, preferred dynamics. Hey OP, it doesn't fucking work like that. You are neither smart enough, powerful enough, not important enough to redefine millennia of social and natural structures. So, you can choose to participate in humanity, as those of us who aren't permavigins do, or you can choose to rebel. Both are fine, but stop fucking crying when no one joins your rebellion. Defy the pack mentality, be a lone wolf, but understand that lone wolves are just that: lone. Tl;dr stop fucking whining and do something.
>>17030531
Which is hilarious when you think about it, since women whined and whined about the problem with the dynamics, and men decided to start taking it more seriously and change the world to suit women
Examples include:
wolf whistles.
slapping strange women's asses.
spouse rape.
etc. All things expected of women to take with a brave face. Women as a whole decided they didn't like this dynamic and changed it.
When a man doesn't like it, well tough.
>be a man and learn to mold yourself into a stereotype so that "you" are liked as a cookie cutter of the desirable man traits.
Women don't want living human beings with individuality. They want cookie cutters. Same could be said of men for women and yet we've gone to great lengths to give women individuality.
>>17030546
What's happening is that you are fundamentally misunderstanding what an alpha is. The alpha/beta dynamic did not change to accommodate women. In you example of wolf whistles et al. those are beta behaviors (being a Chad is not the same as being an alpha), women expressed dissatisfaction at said behaviors and alphas (defining the line between being an alpha in this case vs being a bitchy sjw comes down to motivation alphas do it to exert control sjws do it for equality) dictated to the betas that this shit is not acceptable. But this is all besides the point in that you are talking about behaviors and not the actual dynamics.
In re your cookie cutter comment, again you are not understanding what an actual alpha is. An actual alpha blends in with the pack, a bear doesn't just join a pick of wolves, but stands out due to his strength, cunning, etc. the clothes do not make the man, let's use clothes as an example, they show the rest of society that you understand their norms and mores and are willing to participate within the pack. Now that you are participating you have the chance to break the cookie cutter mold with something of substance, see intelligence, humor, etc. it is the betas of the world who think that dress, or whatever, defines them and seeks to establish themselves through such shallow expressions. Pay attention to that man who owns every room he walks into. There will be nothing of great note that sets him apart from everyone else, because he has chosen to participate with the pack, but he has subsurface qualities, and he knows this, that make him alpha. Whining isn't one of those qualities.
>>17030573
Read that again tomorrow morning, hun. You're drunk.
And yes, alphas can and used to whistle at attractive women. Women didn't like it, so now its changed. You're denying the antecedent.
>They don't wolf whistle now because it pisses women off now, so obviously its not alpha.
Backwards logic.
>>17030531
Yeah I recognize the dynamics, and yeah I am taking every single step towards rising to the top of those dynamics, like you are telling me to.
But the "dont complain about it, it is what it is" street goes both ways, so I dont wanna hear people complaining if I am a particularly cold and ruthless "wolf" who becomes an "alpha"
Because again, I never wanted any of this to begin with.
>>17030546
This, things used to be right, now they are wrong
>>17030573
>alphas told others to cut it out
Fuck off, it was politicians who sided with the women and made the laws
>muh setting apart, muh playing into womens bullshit and then acting like Im superior
Yeah fine, I can play like that too, I can wear the clothes, wear the hair, have the abs, talk the talk, walk the walk, fine. And I wont feel bad about being essentially a con artist.
